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Hey guys. I'm new to this so go easy lol
I have a 2001 Lincoln ls. Its a 5 speed manual. I took it to the shop to get a new transmission and clutch. They guy got it all finished for me and when he put it back together it won't go into gear. We thought it was a defected pressure plate for the clutch. So I got a new one and it still won't go into go. It will when the car isn't running tho. So its obvious that its not releasing all the way. Next thing we did was put a new slave cylinder on. That didn't work either. My car comes stock with a dual mass fly wheel. Think that could be the problem that we didn't resurface it? Help!!
 
I have a 5r55n if you're interested... not sure how hard the swap to an auto would be
 
01ls5speed said:
Hey guys. I'm new to this so go easy lol
I have a 2001 Lincoln ls. Its a 5 speed manual. I took it to the shop to get a new transmission and clutch. They guy got it all finished for me and when he put it back together it won't go into gear. We thought it was a defected pressure plate for the clutch. So I got a new one and it still won't go into go. It will when the car isn't running tho. So its obvious that its not releasing all the way. Next thing we did was put a new slave cylinder on. That didn't work either. My car comes stock with a dual mass fly wheel. Think that could be the problem that we didn't resurface it? Help!!
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Seems to me it's the mechanics problem. They must have screwed up something.
 
Bleed the slave cylinder. Make sure your brake master cylinder reservoir is full or you'll get air bubbles.

When I first changed my clutch my engagement was real soon, right off the floor and it was engaging. A quick drive and it went away and was normal again.
 
Na im not trying to convert it to an auto. The only reason I love this car is cause its a manual.thanks tho. And he tried bleeding it so many times. And he's not tryna screw me over cause he's ny neighbor. He owns his own shop. The next thing we resulted to was a new fly wheel. Other experts on flywheels that we've talked to said it couldn't be the flywheel cause it would have been messing up before we replaced the clutch in the first place. So idk. Thanks guys
 
It is the pilot bearing. It is not allowing the transmission to stop turning when the clutch is depressed because the bearing is coupling the flywheel rotation to the transmission input shaft. That's a real crafty mechanic right there, to not understand that problem.
 
Il try that. Idk what's goin on. He knows what he's doin, like he builds trannys all the time. Maybe cause he's never seen a car like mine?
 
Well, if we assume you are working with a new (non-defective) Flywheel, Pressure Plate, and Friction disc, then all we have left for the clutch part would be Pilot Bearing/Bushing, Input Shaft Bearing/Retainer, or a bent Input Shaft. At least those are the likely remaining suspects.

Was this tranny your old one that was rebuilt? Or some kind of a junkyard special? I'd pop it all back out, replace the pilot bearing for fun (I prefer bushings, but whatever you like), and check the input shaft for play and out of round.
 
I have all new of what you just named except the flywheel. The only place I can get my flywheel from would be Ford. They want 750 bucks. I rather not jump to to a fly wheel if I don't know for sure that's what it is. Im 17 I work at Wawa. Lol im not made of money :) but anyway, he got the trans from a junkyard he gets other peoples parts from. 60,000 Mile tranny. Not bad for a manual. Anyway, a flywheel expert said that its prlly not my flywheel because we would have had this problem before we brought it into the shop. It always went into gear fine. Then i had him do the clutch and trans and now it doesn't work. We know the trans is fine because he test drove it. He shuts it off to put it in gear then starts it and drives it. Tranny shifts fine. Its like using no clutch tho. What should i do first?
 
01ls5speed said:
I have all new of what you just named except the flywheel. The only place I can get my flywheel from would be Ford. They want 750 bucks. I rather not jump to to a fly wheel if I don't know for sure that's what it is. Im 17 I work at Wawa. Lol im not made of money :) but anyway, he got the trans from a junkyard he gets other peoples parts from. 60,000 Mile tranny. Not bad for a manual. Anyway, a flywheel expert said that its prlly not my flywheel because we would have had this problem before we brought it into the shop. It always went into gear fine. Then i had him do the clutch and trans and now it doesn't work. We know the trans is fine because he test drove it. He shuts it off to put it in gear then starts it and drives it. Tranny shifts fine. Its like using no clutch tho. What should i do first?
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I'd be pulling the tranny back out, replacing the pilot bushing/bearing, checking the end of the input shaft to make sure it was smooth, checking the input shaft for excessive play (side to side, front to back), and then checking it for out of round. The guys who pull cars apart in junkyards aren't always the gentlest. It's very possible the tranny could have literally been dropped out and landed input shaft first on the ground. It doesn't take much for the clutch to not disengage if the input shaft or pilot bearing are screwed. A driving test is not a good test of these things.

After that, assuming the problem wasn't found, I'd be tearing the tranny apart to see what it looks like on the inside. I would start thinking it's the forks or synchros going bad at that point. Even a pushed in clutch will still freewheel with the engine running, and if the synchros are COMPLETELY destroyed, it won't go in gear. If the forks are also ground down it won't shift completely into gear too.

You also have to remember that the car this tranny came out of went to a salvage yard for a reason. Typically cars go there because they are an insurance loss (car wreck), they are old with no resell value and no one wants them, or they were broken and not worth fixing the problem. You very may be dealing with the reason the donor car ended up at a salvage yard to begin with. That 60K-mile warranty they give you is a replacement warranty. That means after you spend all your hard earned money and time figuring out it's junk, they'll just go "Ohh well, bring it back, and we'll give you another one if we have one". Did your mechanic/buddy/neighbor at least pop the cover on the tranny and take a look inside to make sure things at least looked right?

The only other thing I can think of is the dual-mass flywheel is shot. Not sure how you would check it. I guess seeing if there was much play in the friction surface.

And lastly, what the hell is a Wawa?
 
Im sorry, haha a Wawa is a gas station and a convenient store. I pump gas.

And what were starting with now is taking the whole transmission out along with the flywheel and doing a benchpress test. Were gonna assemble the transmission and flywheel on a bench press and press it down and see if all of the components are to spec. This way we know if everything is operating properly. If it is, then wel take it to further matters. Like exactly what your saying. Look at the input shaft etc.. Thankyou for your time and help. Let me know if you think of anything else to say lol il keep you updated
 
01ls5speed said:
Im sorry, haha a Wawa is a gas station and a convenient store. I pump gas.

And what were starting with now is taking the whole transmission out along with the flywheel and doing a benchpress test. Were gonna assemble the transmission and flywheel on a bench press and press it down and see if all of the components are to spec. This way we know if everything is operating properly. If it is, then wel take it to further matters. Like exactly what your saying. Look at the input shaft etc.. Thankyou for your time and help. Let me know if you think of anything else to say lol il keep you updated
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Yup, that'll work, assemble it, put the clutch alignment tool in it, see if it'll spin. The clutch spacing should be equal all the way around the clutch. So come up with a way to accurately measure if the pressure plate is paralell to the flywheel and friction plate. Possible something could be bent or defective. The Flywheel may also just be bad. Who knows. When in doubt check everything :)
 
Yupp. And cause I have a dual mass flywheel they can't resurface it. He said the clutch spacing should be about 20 thousandths of an inch or something like that.
 
Update**

Got the car back on Friday. Turns out it was the flywheel. It was warped. Found that out through the bench test. She's home and running better than ever!

Thanks everyone for all your help :)
 
01ls5speed said:
Update**

Got the car back on Friday. Turns out it was the flywheel. It was warped. Found that out through the bench test. She's home and running better than ever!

Thanks everyone for all your help :)
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Glad you figured it out. Hope the flywheel didn't set you back too much.
 
did u have any luck with your clutch? i am having an issue with the slave cylinder i believe and i cannot locate it or find a part number. i could use some help.
 
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