Tuning question Sniper related

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Hey everyone, I just received a sniper tuning kit and set it up and the car felt great. So I had a C&L set up that geno sells laying around from my 93 so I installed that. My question is how do you set up the maf setting in the program for this set up. I made a tune for what I thought was correct but when you lay into the gas the thing feels like a dog now. Like I took 40 hp away at 4000rpm-5500rpm.
 
My question is how do you set up the maf setting in the program for this set up. I made a tune for what I thought was correct but when you lay into the gas the thing feels like a dog now. Like I took 40 hp away at 4000rpm-5500rpm.

The only real way to dial in an aftermarket MAF is to hook Wide Band O2 up to the car and datalog AF ratio at the various load points, then by adjusting the MAF transfer function in the particular load points to deliver the desired AF ratio you seek.

You will need access to both the "base fuel table" and the MAF transfer function to make this happen properly.

With that said.. I hope you bought the "high end" sniper software and not the "entry level version".


Also, you want to datalog the MAF voltage.

When I had the C&L meter on my car, the Maf voltage was "cut in half".
At WOT the voltage is "supposed to be" in the 4-4.9 volt range, and with the C&L meter my maf voltage would peak just above 2 volts {that is bad)
What is happening is the C&L is "lying to the PCM" and thus "leaning out" the super fat AF ratio that comes stock on the mark 8.

When you go adjust the commanded AF ratio to be less than 10/1 (stock AF ratio) then you run into problems with the aftermarket meter and it's erroneous data it's providing to the PCM.

If I were you, I would concentrate on dialing in the "stock maf" rather than the C&L.. I would sell the C&L and use the money to offset the cost of the Wide Band 02 install.

The stock maf is very well matched to a NA mark 8...and it's a dependable maf that doesnt "lie to the PCM".

when you put a larger maf on the car.. you are losing or decreasing the "resolution" of the MAF because the car wont pull enough air thru the maf to reach 4-4.9 volts.

hope some of this helps.. in some manner or another
 
definatley helps xlr i bought the entry level just so i can change the shift points because the stock trans shift points suck so badly. I was gonna swap the stock maf back but just wanted comfirmation.
 
check your PM box, I didn't want to post another novel in your thread..
haha

*cliff notes*

find/buy this book.. it's 24.95
http://www.calibratedsuccess.com/Summary.htm

it's the best 25.00 I ever spent and it answer many of my questions I had about EEC stuff.. and it created about a 100 more questions that I didn't know existed.

it went along way in removing the "voodoo" from engine management
 
Cool cool I put the setting in for the 90mm maf it runs a lot better but ill prob sell it anyhow I will pick that book up I wish I had a gauge to tell me where my a/f ratio is.
 
If you want to start tuning your own car a wide band is a very very useful tool, they are a bit spendy though.
 
The only real way to dial in an aftermarket MAF is to hook Wide Band O2 up to the car and datalog AF ratio at the various load points, then by adjusting the MAF transfer function in the particular load points to deliver the desired AF ratio you seek.

You will need access to both the "base fuel table" and the MAF transfer function to make this happen properly.

With that said.. I hope you bought the "high end" sniper software and not the "entry level version".


Also, you want to datalog the MAF voltage.

When I had the C&L meter on my car, the Maf voltage was "cut in half".
At WOT the voltage is "supposed to be" in the 4-4.9 volt range, and with the C&L meter my maf voltage would peak just above 2 volts {that is bad)
What is happening is the C&L is "lying to the PCM" and thus "leaning out" the super fat AF ratio that comes stock on the mark 8.

When you go adjust the commanded AF ratio to be less than 10/1 (stock AF ratio) then you run into problems with the aftermarket meter and it's erroneous data it's providing to the PCM.

If I were you, I would concentrate on dialing in the "stock maf" rather than the C&L.. I would sell the C&L and use the money to offset the cost of the Wide Band 02 install.

The stock maf is very well matched to a NA mark 8...and it's a dependable maf that doesnt "lie to the PCM".

when you put a larger maf on the car.. you are losing or decreasing the "resolution" of the MAF because the car wont pull enough air thru the maf to reach 4-4.9 volts.

hope some of this helps.. in some manner or another



Curious about this... i have a bigger maf on my car... car seems to run strong. Should i not be running this? I was thinking about having it dynotuned in spring...could they compensate for this?
 
Jeff, use your xcal 2 to datalog your maf voltage and ad counts.
Then.. swap back to your stock meter and repeat.

If the larger maf gives you lower readings than the stock maf, then you aren't utilizing the larger maf and indeed it could be hindering not only your performance, it could be affecting your AF in a detrimental manner, and it also causes the loss of "low speed fuel control" which makes it harder for your PCM to make the correct fuel caculations at lower engine speeds.

Also, when the maf isn't putting out the correct voltage it makes the PCM "think" there is less air entering the engine and it doesnt use the WOT upper portions of the maf transfer function, the upper portions of the fuel table and the upper portions of the spark table.

If you feed your PCM garbage information you can expect to have some garbage in the stuff your PCM gives back to the engine.

GIGO!
 

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