Remote Start

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Are there any easy to install remote start kits out there? We sell one at this place I work, but you have to hardwire it into everything.

Anything that PnP or easy to install?

I was looking into the Viper alarm / remote start, my friend has the alarm on his car from viper, and it's real nice like.

Any input appreciated.
 
The problem with the ford products is the pats system....so it must be hardwired.
 
all good quality systems are Hardwired because there are so many wires that run to a lot of different places, there are a few systems that you can order T-harness for but they usally only make the harness for simple common cars like cammery and civics, i havent seen any thing like this for an ls because you need to run the ignition wires and the pats bypass over to the key cylender lock and fact alarm wires to the DDM in the drivers door some wires to the FEM some to the REM and a couple under the hood

there is no suce thing as an "easy remote start" in a car as advances as this with different modules everywhere

get a DEI system (viper, clifford, python...) and make sure that someone that knows what their doing, put it in
 
I install these mostly for friends and family members, you can find T-harness for older ford vehicles but I turned up nothing on the LS. The key is, ask questions about the install before they touch your car. See if they like to use T-taps or if they solder the wires. Soldering is always the best, most reliable connection. The bad thing about T-taps is that they actually cut through part of the braid in the factory wiring. The preferred method is to strip back the coating, then using a pick or a small screw driver, spread the strands of the factory wiring, creating a hole in the braid. Then thread the remote starter wiring through the hole, twist it around the factory wire, solder, tape and then I always secure the tape and wires with a small zip-tie just to make it more secure.

DEI makes good stuff, I've installed Autopage and Crimestopper brands as well and never had any problems.

Just find a reputable place to have it done at, remember if the price sounds too good to be true, go somewhere else. Most places are competitive but usually priced about the same.

I install all Two-way remote starter/alarms. The units cost a little more but it's nice having the notification from the remote without having to be in eye-shot of the car. I can usually get the remote starter/alarm unit for anywhere between $100-$150 and then the bypass module between $35-$50.

Also, ask them what kind of bypass module they are using, some shops like to use the key-in-box type of unit. Meaning they take one of your factory programmed keys and put it under the dash. The module reads the chip and transmits it to the ignition. But it causes a safety concern because the factory key is in the car.

The other module is one that needs to be programmed, the installer will need two factory programmed keys to program the module. I would go with this type if I were you.
 
It sounds like 96hotrodlincoln knows his stuff! Good info!

I had Ziebart in Maplewood put a remote start on my old '02 F150. They had to have a doner key that gets put into a black box under the dash. Everything was going OK until a couple weeks later it wouldn't start. it would crank and crank but not start. I took it in, they ordered some kit for it, and then it worked perfectly for the rest of the time that I had the truck.

I was actually a little disappointed in the remote start, though. I had visions of a nice warm truck after 10-15 minutes of idling (auto off after 20 minutes). Not the case. however, once rolling, it was kicking out heat in just a few blocks instead of a few miles without preheating it. so there was still a benefit, just not as big of a benefit as I would have liked.

One of my favorite features, though was to pull up to a gas station, press and hold the key button on the fob, turn key off (leaving the engine running) remove the key, lock the doors and head inside. upon returning, unlock door, insert key, turn to 'run' and hit the brake. but with the LS I can pretty much do that now and just use the keypad on the door.
 
I'm looking into a Viper one soon. Havent' done the model comparison yet, only talked to the guy on the phone. The one that sounds like the best deal to me ran about 400 installed. I liked the 2 way one that lets you know when your vehicle starts.
 
I'm looking into a Viper one soon. Havent' done the model comparison yet, only talked to the guy on the phone. The one that sounds like the best deal to me ran about 400 installed. I liked the 2 way one that lets you know when your vehicle starts.

when you have this done, have them run two of the extra channels to the lock and unlock wires in the doors and set the timers to about 20 sec, then you will be able to roll your windows up or down from the remote. with the viper systems like the 5900 or the new 5701 or 5901 it is very easy, and does not require any extra parts to do in our cars. they just have to do a little more prep work to the system before they install it and they have to program it correctly. let me know if you have any questions about any of the systems

i just installed the 5701 in my car a couple of weeks ago, and love it, i wish it had the range of the 5900 or the 5901, but the size of the remote more than made up for the range, i have the three extra channels controll the windows(1 up, 2 down) and open the gas cap lid, and be sure to have them do the defrost option (i didnt have this on my first LS, and now i dont know how i survived)

viper 2 way for the win:D
 
pektel, viper for sure, im pissed i didnt do the windows but oh well. The one i have tells me when the car starts, i f it does not start the first time it trys again within 10 secs or so.
 
Ok, so Viper is what I'm leaning towards, I don't need windows or anything, I already have my other remote for that, is there just some remote start that viper makes?

I also found out that my friends dad installed their 2 viper systems on their 95 Impala SS and 96 Caprice SS, top of the line with shock sensors and whatnot, so I don't have to worry really about installing. Preferrebly something I can start from inside my school haha, I can see my car from the window and wish, start now! start now!

Off to the viper website!
 
I'm pretty much settled on the Viper 5701 after my 8.5 minutes of dinking around.

I found one for $215!!!

Does this come with reasonably easy to follow instructions for an electrical engineer? My friends dads designs circuit boards and stuff haha
 
The Viper(not sure which one I have) can be set to roll the windows down like stock by holding the unlock and aux button as well as up by holding the lock and aux button (I think)
 
I believe I have a factory remote start installed. Key fob looks similar to the regular LS fob but is slightly larger. It works from a huge distance. I can sit in my office and start my car anywhere it is in the parking lot.

My only complaint is that now when I hold unlock instead of rolling down windows/sunroof it pops the trunk. I have an old LS fob from my last one and when it gets warm I'm gonna see if I can get it to roll down the windows. I will carry 2 fobs for that, but I bet it won't work.
 
Anyone know really how difficult these are to install? a lot of soldering and splicing?

And I keep seeing something about a PATS bypass, will I also need that?
 
Anyone know really how difficult these are to install? a lot of soldering and splicing?

And I keep seeing something about a PATS bypass, will I also need that?

Very hard apparently, i had mine professionaly installed and it took them 8 hours to get it done, they warned me in advance that it would take forever because of how complex the wiring is
 
Anyone know really how difficult these are to install? a lot of soldering and splicing?

And I keep seeing something about a PATS bypass, will I also need that?

Let me put it to you like this, unless you know what you are doing, PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL AN ALARM ON THIS CAR. It's not like installing a radio. Just get it done professionally and it will safe you time and give you a piece of mind.
 
I have installed several alarms non professionally and I would never touch the LS with a 10 foot stick!

To many little things, heated seats roll up roll down trunk defrost remote start etc etc etc.. That's ALOT of wiring, tapping, and location finding!

I would pay somebody in a heart beat, even then I would be nerve racked. I wish we could just upgrade something factory with the remote start. I wish I wish I wish.
 
Anyone know really how difficult these are to install? a lot of soldering and splicing?

And I keep seeing something about a PATS bypass, will I also need that?

if you have an ls, you have PATS, you WILL NEED a bypass, i perfer to use an xpresskit, either an XK04 or a PKALL. they wire into the PATS TX and RX wires and you dont need to leave a key under the dash or have to worry about getting the "pill" or "ring" in the exact position.

trust me when i tell you its very hard if you have never done a remote start before, its still pretty hard if you have done a few and never done an ls, the ignition and pats wires are hard to get to because the key cylinder is not on the steering collum, its on the dash, the lock-window up, and the unlock-window down-factory alarm disarm wires (which are all the same two wires and you need afew diods to isolate them) are in the drivers door, the door triggers are normaly closed and the dome light has a rest resistance (you need to use extra relays to avoid false alarms) the trunk trigger and defrost wires are in the trunk,(which also need relays) tach wire is not too hard to find on the V8, the V6 that another story (most of the times you can use a wire for the coils, but with a viper system you have to go the the fuel injector wires to keep it from shutting down after 2 mins) and the hood pin is also normaly closed ( for the 5001 series isn't a problem because it can be programmed that way) trunk pop doesnt need a relay but the fuel door does

i feel like I am forgetting somthing, but i think that is all. so if any body wants to try this and has never done this before, i would advise against this being your first car.

EDIT: if you have a 2nd gen, you will also need a relay to power up the 3rd accesory wire (gauge cluster and radio power) to keep the CEL off because the of cluster not getting power after it starts, then you will need a relay to keep the radio from comming on when R/S (if you have a big stereo and dont want to piss off the people next to you when you get up a 5:30am) and you will need two relays and a resistor for the parking lights
 
I'm pretty much settled on the Viper 5701 after my 8.5 minutes of dinking around.

I found one for $215!!!

this goes for the 5101, 5301, and the 5701

make sure that you get this from an authorized dealer (which means they have to install it) directed is having problem with a huge batch of there remotes, they will work fine for a few days then just stop, or they will beep like they have a low battery all the time, if you get it from an authorized dealer and you have any problems they will just replace the remotes with new ones, my shop and a friends shop across town has already replaced 12 - 15 remotes in the 2 month that we have had them
 
Does this come with reasonably easy to follow instructions for an electrical engineer? My friends dads designs circuit boards and stuff haha

it does come with instruction to tell you what every wire for the system does but it does not come with the info on where every wire in the car is and which options to use like pos or neg door trigers, only the dealer gets that.
 
BestBuy installs for $169 on a Lincoln LS, and only $80 on our Hummer H2... how sad is that?

If FBird ever sees this, know of anyone around the CR area that installs alarms etc?
 
with the H2 the bypass module controlls EVERYTHING, transponder bypass, lock, unlock, factory alarm bypass, door triggers, hood pin, defrost, heated seats, and tach. if it is one of the new data2data systems, just one plug from the r/s brain to the bypass and 1 wire from the bypass to the purple wire at the ODBII connector and all the heavy guage wires from the brain is all you need to hook up, one of the easiest cars to install a remote start on!
 

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