thethirdeye88
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how can i break 300hp?...
how can i break the 300 hp level without tearing down my engine?...
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Tricky-Dick
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I'm looking at doing a CAI by KKM and a Programmer. That should get me pretty close if not a "tad" over 300 HP.
thethirdeye88
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really, where can i get that programmer?...
Tricky-Dick
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The SCT Xcal2 or Xcal2 SF will run you anywhere from $300-$395 depending on the dealer. If you have hookups within the SCT community you can get them for much cheaper.
17 RWHP & 17 FT. LBS. TORQUE
http://www.sctflash.com/product_SF3.php
There are two CAI's made for the 03+ LS's. KKM produces one through which Gray Ghost (LsKoncepts) sells through here; and I also make one for the V8 that is a little more complete but also more expensive.
10-15 HP
http://www.lskoncepts.com/store/2003-2006-lincoln-ls-kkm-truerev-sport-induction-intake-kit-p-73.php
ILLS
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To break 300 hp in your Gen1 LS V8 you will need CAI, Full exhaust, tune and a little something else. Honestly with the bolt-ons offered for your car you will not hit over 300 hp without getting creative. It will get pretty close though.
ILLS
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You have a totally different configuration on your engine than the OP does. You are starting out with 28 more hp than they are. That will make a difference. He will need more mods than yours to get close to that 300 hp mark.
Tricky-Dick
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I didn't initially read "Thethirdeye88's" profile to see that he is a Gen I LS8.
I'm glad I have the Gen II LS8!
ILLS
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There are no dealers selling new Xcal's for $300. Most of us sell them for $389-$399. If they are selling for the price you mentioned then they are in violation of MAP and could lose their contract with SCT; let alone not make much of a profit. If you are talking about used/reconditioned Xcal's sold from a dealer then that $300 figure will be more applicable.
lincoln_lurker
that dude from the thing
a small shot of n2o (probably a dry kit at least) might give you enough of the boost over the mods already listed...or possibly if you are mechanically inclined they make remote superchargers that would give you 4-6 lbs boost, which i'm not too sure but i assume a stock 3.9 could handle that amount of boost without internal modifications, maybe someone else can confirm that for me.
another thing that might help out to get you over the 300 hp mark would be underdrive pulleys, but i'm not sure of availability for these cars
any of those should help get you to or a little above the 300 hp mark though
another thing that might help out to get you over the 300 hp mark would be underdrive pulleys, but i'm not sure of availability for these cars
any of those should help get you to or a little above the 300 hp mark though
NYC LS8
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Spray it.
gcwimmer
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My personal experience is with torrie@fastpartsnetwork.com for SCT Ecal2 tuning, well worth the $400 and three tunes.
ILLS is also a tuner and is being professional by contributing and not doing a personnal hard sell. I’m sure if you PM him he would give you more information on his tuning service and price. Others that have used his service said he also has great customer service.
Changing the the air intake is the other mod that is well worth $. As Tricky-Dick said:
http://www.lskoncepts.com/store/?x=Lincoln
ILLS is also a tuner and is being professional by contributing and not doing a personnal hard sell. I’m sure if you PM him he would give you more information on his tuning service and price. Others that have used his service said he also has great customer service.
Changing the the air intake is the other mod that is well worth $. As Tricky-Dick said:
http://www.lskoncepts.com/store/?x=Lincoln
ILLS
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You mean remote turbocharger. If this guy wants just around 300 hp then he doesn't need a turbo system. Heck, he would easily overshoot his goal by 100+ hp if he went with a turbo, let alone that it is not cheap for one of these.
A custom underdrive crank pulley is a possibility. I have discussed that in detail with another member on here who is going for the fastest N/A LS goal. We will see what becomes of it this next year.
Thanks for the kind words gcwimmer.
NYC LS8
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I'd be interested as well since pullies on my 87 gave me some noticeable gains.
It's a sickness, I tell ya. :lol:
fonsito
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They should make a couple of underdrive pulleys since I will be all over it
Happy Holidays
gcwimmer
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It’s the custom tunes that give you the performance. The SCT Xcal, XCal2, and Xcal3 are the device that stores and loads the tunes among other things. Custom PCM flashing tool for custom tunes, real time data logging, diagnose trouble codes.
Go to the manufacture site www.sctflash.com and take a look.
If this is what you want then uses a tuner like one of the two previously mention who have experience with Lincoln LS. They both will sell you the SCT XCal2 or 3 with custom tunes. The SCT Xcal was the 1ST edition and 3 being the newest. Reportedly the 3 has some bugs to be worked out.
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC
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In good time.
Tricky-Dick
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Not 100% sure on this because I have little experience doing actual tuning, but I believe the Xcal2/3 allow you to tune it yourself, but... it is also a gateway. If you order it from a tuner as previously mentioned, they will send it with three tunes already in it that you just download to your car. They can also work with you to tweak the tune. I wouldn't go playing with the parameters on your own unless you have a wideband O2 installed and a dyno to play with; just seems to have the makings of a disaster!
gcwimmer
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Kind of both:
You buy the Xcal and three tunes that are custom to you vehicle using you VIN # and any mod like CIA exhaust, gas grade, and your personal diving. I paid $400 and it took about 7 tries to get it the way I wanted. That is why after the sale customer service and Lincoln LS experience is so important. The tuner will either send the Xcal with custom starting tune or email you the tune file after getting your information, you load that into the Xcal with a USB cable, and then you load that into you LS via OBD-II port on the right of the steering column by the knee panel.
You can make some MINOR adjustments yourself as you load the tune: Idle speed, timing, speed limiter on or off, or set speed, change tire size for speedo and shift line pressure. Nothing drastic.
I have stock tune, performance tune with mild shifts, performance with firm shifts and extreme tune with extreme firm shifts.
You can get a dino at extra cost and fine tune any of the tunes if you choose to go that far.
Hope this helped, if not contact either of the for mentioned tuners, I’m sure they will answer your questions.
gcwimmer
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thethirdeye88
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thanks for all the input guys...mine is a first gen, its a '00 model...i dont want to spray it because i am wanting to hit that mark at all times, and i cant just go driving around everywhere spraying all the time...but intake and exhaust are definitely coming, but i am debating on using a magnaflow setup from lskoncepts or fabbing my own...also, i am defintely not going to start playing with parameters on a tune...going to just pay someone to do it right...and whats the big difference between the first and second gen ls v8?...
thethirdeye88
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also, i really need a front door speaker!!...anyone have one laying around thats in good shape?...mine flutters and its very annoying....
Jayce 1971
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From what i've read, the difference between the 1st and 2nd gen cars are VVT on the 2nd gen. Also 1st gen have an actual throttle cable where 2nd are dbw.