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thebaum

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Ok, I've searched a ton and just can't seem to find out whats wrong with my ac. I have a 2002 LS V8 with around 110000 miles. About a year and a half ago I noticed my air conditioning starting getting warm. As long as I am driving down the highway, or even 40+ mph, the air is pretty cool if the outside temp is 90 or lower. If I stop then the air starts blowing warmer. I took to a shop last summer and they told me it needed a new compressor. I didn't really feel like they really even tested it (thats a long story). Anyways, I couldn't afford the $2000 they wanted, so I suffered through a Vegas summer with my black on black LS!

In October i was back home with the car and was able to take it to my dad's mechanic. He replaced the drier and some hoses and stuff. I was never really able to tell if it made a difference because as long as the outside temp is cool, the ac blows cold air.

Fast forward to this summer. There were a few days with the temp back up in the high 90s and sure enough my ac was warm again. Dreading the upcoming summer I decided to have it diagnosed again. I took it to a local shop and they ran an a/c service on it. The guy told me that after running all their tests, he thought it was the expansion valve. the low side pressure were in the 70s and the high was in the 190s. He said he thought it was the expansion valve instead of the compressor because the pressures never flucuated. (I dont know enough about a/c to know if thats true). However, he told me that the expansion valve took 6 hours to replace and it wasn't worth replacing without replacing the compressor.

So I have been doing research to find out if it could be the expansion valve or if it was something else. I found out how to do the self diagnosis and came up empty (no codes). I have read alot about the DCCV but didn't that was it because I didn't notice different temps. However the other day my bro-in-law was riding in the passenger and he said his was warm and my side was actually cool.

So here is my question. Could it be the DCCV even with no codes, no blown fuses and the auto shop didn't see that? (not that i put much faith in the auto shop) Is it worth changing to see if that makes a difference? Or with those pressures is it definitely the expansion valve or compressor? Thanks for any help and sorry I dont know much about the a/c system!
 
Yes, the DCCV can fail without setting any codes or blowing the fuse.

If the engine was at idle and the temperature was around 95, then those pressures would be just inside the normal range.

Has anyone checked your hydraulic engine cooling fan. If it is not kicking into high speed when needed, it could cause some of your symptoms.

If it's not the fan or the DCCV, then I would first change just the compressor. If that still doesn't do it, then you can move on to the expansion valve. The whole dash has to come out to replace the expansion valve.
 
From the little I know I think the cooling fan was kicking in. I also asked the mechanic who checked the a/c to look at that because I knew that could cause some similar symptoms.

So I ordered the DCCV and we will see If that is it! thanks for the help and wish me luck on replacing it, never really done anything with the a/c system besides refilling the freon!
 
From the little I know I think the cooling fan was kicking in. I also asked the mechanic who checked the a/c to look at that because I knew that could cause some similar symptoms.

So I ordered the DCCV and we will see If that is it! thanks for the help and wish me luck on replacing it, never really done anything with the a/c system besides refilling the freon!

The DCCV is really a part of the engine cooling system, not the AC system. (BTW, the LS uses R-134a (Suva) not Freon) This would be a good time to replace the coolant. Be sure to correctly bleed the air out of the cooling system after you replace the DCCV.
 
Update: changed the dccv today, bled the coolant system and.......its not better. at first I thought maybe it was a little colder, which it might be, but after driving it, it still gets warm when I stop. Oh well I guess it was worth the experience! Maybe I do need to just replace the whole system....ouch
 
Ok, so I'm still looking to solve this problem without changing the a/c system. i really dont think the compressor is bad but I could be wrong. Could these same symptoms be caused by a failing hydraulic fan? Cool air when moving, warm when stopped? Except my car does not overheat, at least it hasn't yet.
I mean to me it makes sense that if that fan is not working correctly then I would get cooler air when moving at higher speeds becuase more air is moving across the system.
If I could be the hydraulic fan, how do i test that? I have read on here that i need to check if it kicks into high gear when running but i guess i can't really tell.
Also should I try replacing the actuator first? if thats what yall think the problem might be. or would you replace the whole pump? or the third option is something like this http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=58113?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
 
Yes, it could be the fan. If it's not, I think that it is more likely to be the compressor than the expansion valve.
 
Okay, thanks. If you thought it was the fan, would you attempt to replace the actuator first? I'm just trying to figure out where to go from here. It sounds like the actuator is something that I could possibly do myself, whereas I think a compressor is a job for someone else!
Thanks again for all your help joegr
 
You can cool the condenser with a hose to see if the ac gets colder with a cool condenser. IF it runs ok with you shooting water on it, it is, most likely, a cooling issue.
 
Where is the DCCV fuse located at in the fuse box. I cant seem to find it at all and it doesnt state where at in the owners manual. I own a 2000 lincoln ls v8. If you can help me out i would greatly appreciate it. My system right now is throwing out warm/hot air from all the vents. Dnt know what it could be. Do you think it needs freeon?
 
You can cool the condenser with a hose to see if the ac gets colder with a cool condenser. IF it runs ok with you shooting water on it, it is, most likely, a cooling issue.

Ok, thanks. Ill try that. So if the air is cold while idling while running water on the condenser, its most likely the fan?
Thanks

Oh and I'm pretty sure the DCCV fuse is the #1 fuse in the box under the hood. right in front of the passenger wheel well
 
Ok, thanks. Ill try that. So if the air is cold while idling while running water on the condenser, its most likely the fan?
Thanks

Oh and I'm pretty sure the DCCV fuse is the #1 fuse in the box under the hood. right in front of the passenger wheel well
It could be the fan, or the area between the fins could be plugged up with mud, bugs, or pollen. It's kinda hard to see but check to make sure there's not alot of debris trapped in there. It's also amazing how much stuff can get trapped between the condenser and radiator. I've cleaned 'em with the hose, a pressure washer, or compressed air. You do need to be careful you don't damage the fins while cleaning.
 
Your symptoms exactly describe the issues i had with my a/c. Bad compressor. I went thru the entire system eliminating every possiblity. You can get a new complete compressor from teamfordparts.com for $411. Thats half what the dealer wanted. If everything else in the system is kosher you can get a new compressor and get it installed for around $700 total (parts/labor) at the dealer.
 
Your symptoms exactly describe the issues i had with my a/c. Bad compressor. I went thru the entire system eliminating every possiblity. You can get a new complete compressor from teamfordparts.com for $411. Thats half what the dealer wanted. If everything else in the system is kosher you can get a new compressor and get it installed for around $700 total (parts/labor) at the dealer.

I just read your thread. Probably the same issue. I have run sea foam through the hydraulic fan and it seems to work ok, so I do agree that it is probably the compressor. I guess I will just bite the bullet and spend the $700-800. Oh well, I learned a lot in the process. Thanks for everyones help.
lll follow up when I finally get it fixed.
 
Thanks for all the help with my problem.
Joegr, you seem to be the resident expert on air conditioning so I guess this question is for you.
So just when I thought it was most likely the compressor, my passengers started complaining that their air was warm when mine was actually pretty cool. I replaced the DCCV with one from rockauto or partstrain, I cant remember which. So what happens is this, when I start the car and turn the a/c on both sides are warm (not hot), when I start moving I feel the air on my side cool down. It never gets ice cold, but on the freeway it actually gets decently cold. the passenger side is significantly warmer when I start but does somewhat equal out with the drivers side eventually (maybe 20 min) but in the mean time there is a noticeable difference in the temp from side to side.
Could my problems still be DCCV related? Should I not have purchased the cheapest one possible?
My fan works as it should and my compressor turns on as it should.
In my first post I wrote the pressures that the mechanic told me my system was running.
If I need to go to a ford dealership I can, I am just trying to avoid that because the closest one is over an hour away and I am reluctant to trust very many people at this point.
to sum it up, I guess I just want to know your opinion on if this could still be a DCCV.
Thanks for all your help
 
While there are several possibilities, it does sound a lot like a bad compressor.
 
Okay thanks. I keep coming back to that. I guess I just getting thrown off by the different temperatures on each side.
 
Okay thanks. I keep coming back to that. I guess I just getting thrown off by the different temperatures on each side.

It's due to the construction of the evaporator. If the AC is barely working (low refrigerant flow) then the driver's side will get most of what little heat exchange there is.
 

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