A list of Joe Biden's lies during the debate

Well, polling report doesnt agree with your numbers...

"Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the debate: Joe Biden or Sarah Palin?"

51%-36% Biden..


"Based on what you know about Joe Biden, do you think he is qualified to serve as president if it becomes necessary, or not?"

87% Yes

"Based on what you know about Sarah Palin, do you think she is qualified to serve as president if it becomes necessary, or not?"

46% yes

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm
 
Joeychgo said:
Well, polling report doesnt agree with your numbers...

"Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the debate: Joe Biden or Sarah Palin?"

51%-36% Biden..


"Based on what you know about Joe Biden, do you think he is qualified to serve as president if it becomes necessary, or not?"

87% Yes

"Based on what you know about Sarah Palin, do you think she is qualified to serve as president if it becomes necessary, or not?"

46% yes

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm
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CNN, Joey.

Suckered again, aren't you...

CNN’s Poll vs. CNN’s Spin (Part Two)
Noah Pollak - 10.03.2008 - 3:32 PM
An astute commenter to a previous post notes something about CNN’s “poll” of VP debate viewers that on the one hand is utterly predictable, given CNN’s track record, yet is still appalling: CNN declares that its poll finds Biden the winner, but CNN never discloses any information about who participated in the poll. This would be like asking people whether they liked the Red Sox or the Yankees and not revealing what percentage of phone calls were made to Boston versus New York. Without that information, the results are more than worthless — they are manipulative.

CNN’s headline declares that “Debate Poll Says Biden Won.” CNN’s “news analysis” also is headlined (in part) “Biden Wins Debate.” Nowhere in either story does CNN reveal anything about its polling sample other than its total size (611 people). CNN’s poll of the presidential debate last week employed a respondent group in which Democrats were dramatically overrepresented, which predictably led to the result of Obama “winning” the debate.
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*owned*
 
well fox foot, obvoiusly you cant give a voting test kinda defeats the purpose or voting, what Im trying to get through is.... Knowing about what your voting is about the most important thing to voting. Correct me if I am wrong. But when you get a group of 20 year old girls together who here their partents, teachers, friends all lean towards a certian member because of the "change" or "New Blood". that is all they here. So they are giving a second vote for all those who feed them with out even thinking it through.

I know a girl, liked the way Obama Talked and all the great things hes going to do and how her teachers (of course going to talk up a Liberal) Tell her how great and pressure students to forget what they are about. So she loves obama and praises him and has no idea why.

Are these the people you want voting in this election?? People need to get the facts and Make their own decision. give some questions at the beginning of a ballot asking some sort of rediculous common sense political question, If one fails to answer "who is considered a liberal and who a conservative" then they do not pass go and dont finish their voting. easy as that. Unfortanatly the efforts will never allow testing like this because fairness and equality play much larger roles. Dont matter what you think, but its the way I feel on the issue. Know what your going to check, and why your going to check it before you go.
 
BLOWHARD BIDEN: WHAT A SCHMUCK!
Posted by: Michael Medved at 3:19 AM

Yes, Sarah Palin delivered a self-assured, charismatic performance in the Vice Presidential debate, erasing the most toxic doubts about her abilities and re-energizing the Republican campaign.

Joe Biden, meanwhile, produced a blizzard of misstatements, distortions and outright lies.

The most irritating and most seriously misleading involved the relative cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Three times, with great earnestness and passion, he cited a mysterious statistic claiming that we spend more every three weeks in Iraq than we have invested in the Afghan War for its duration.

Actually, statistics from The Congressional Research Service (posted on the website of the Center for Arms Control and Nuclear Non-Proliferation) show that our biggest Iraq expenditure came in Fiscal Year 2008 and reached $158 billion – or $3 billion per week. This means that Biden’s “three weeks in Iraq” would cost $9 billion at most.

And what about our commitment to Afghanistan? Has it really been $9 billion over seven years, as Biden suggested? The truth is we’ve spent $177.5 total in Afghanistan (compared to $661.1 billion in Iraq). This means that Biden either over-stated the cost of our war in Iraq TWENTY TIMES, or else understated the cost of our war in Afghanistan by a factor of twenty. Either way, the jerk is wrong by a distance equal to the width of the State of Delaware, and he delivered an Alaska-sized blooper three times in one evening.

As soon as I heard him make the comparison (watching the debate in a room with several hundred revelers who had come to celebrate my birthday) I blurted out, “He’s full of it! That’s an obvious lie.”

Sarah Palin was right, however, not to call him on it – and to lose the audience in a duel over statistics. But moderator Gwen Ifill (who otherwise did a fair and capable job, it seems to me) should have at least asked Biden for the source of his startling claim.

In any event, he now owes an apology to Governor Palin and to the American people. If he gets away with a distortion of this magnitude, it will provide powerful indication of the ongoing abdication of responsibility and fairness by mainstream media.
 
I can't find what an "independent" voter is defined as though....

From FOX - http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/...n=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Who won Thursday's vice presidential debate? Research group Media Curves.com, a service of HCD Research Inc., polled more than 1,200 people tonight across parties -- Republican, Democratic and Independent -- after each debate point and reported who won on each topic. Because people were polled during the debate, results were not influenced by media analysis immediately following the debate. Final results will be released early next week determining the overall winner of the debate.

Who won - issues - (I didn't post Dem and Rep results, because they were predictable...but if you click on the link above you can see their results as well) Only independent voters...

ISSUE: WASHINGTON BAILOUT REACTION
Joe Biden 62% Sarah Palin 38%

ISSUE: ECONOMIC MELTDOWN
Joe Biden 67% Sarah Palin 33%

ISSUE: TAXES
Joe Biden 72% Sarah Palin 28%

ISSUE: BANKRUPTCY BILL
Joe Biden 69% Sarah Palin 31%

ISSUE: CLIMATE CHANGE
Joe Biden 64% Sarah Palin 36%

ISSUE: BENEFITS FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGES
Joe Biden 65% Sarah Palin 35%

ISSUE: IRAQ WAR EXIT STRATEGY
Joe Biden 68% Sarah Palin 32%

ISSUE: THREAT TO THE U.S. [IRAN/PAKISTAN]
Joe Biden 66% Sarah Palin 34%

ISSUE: USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Joe Biden 65% Sarah Palin 35%

ISSUE: VP RESPONSIBILITIES
Joe Biden 72% Sarah Palin 28%

ISSUE: WHO WON THE DEBATE
Joe Biden 69% Sarah Palin 31%

HCD Research is a communications research company headquartered in Flemington, N.J. The company's services include traditional and web-based marketing and communications research. For additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site at www.hcdi.net.
 
So, Calabrio - what was the poison of choice last night? Wow, according to the lie list Foss posted you must have polished off a bottle or two;)
 
like i said earlier. Biden's been around the block for a few more years and know what to say to sound good. I personally feel that Palin did quite well and stuck to the material better as for looking foward, not back.. Im just waitin to see how the Presidental Debate goes. Just to bad we still dont have anyone worth a damn in campain.
 
Biden and Palin debated, and both mangled some facts.

  • Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to “pre-surge” levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.
  • Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.
  • Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.
  • Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.
  • Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.
  • Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.



I like this --- See.... Both sides...
 
Maybe we could just start a never ending thread - "Lies, and the politicians who tell them."

It would no doubt crash the server...;)
 
the sever along with any backups to the backups of the backups. they would all be screwed. +1
 
rubberducky700 said:
Correct me if I am wrong. But when you get a group of 20 year old girls together who here their partents, teachers, friends all lean towards a certian member because of the "change" or "New Blood". that is all they here. So they are giving a second vote for all those who feed them with out even thinking it through.
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rubberducky700 said:
give some questions at the beginning of a ballot asking some sort of rediculous common sense political question, If one fails to answer "who is considered a liberal and who a conservative" then they do not pass go and dont finish their voting. easy as that. Unfortanatly the efforts will never allow testing like this because fairness and equality play much larger roles. Dont matter what you think, but its the way I feel on the issue. Know what your going to check, and why your going to check it before you go.
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Mr Ducky -

Do you know how many women vote a certain way, because their husband 'tells' them to? Or how many people cast their ballot according to what the minister told them on Sunday morning?

However much I might disagree with those scenarios - that is their choice - their freedom of choice.

So, those 20-year-old girls (not guys?) have worries - they can't get a job at Starbucks now because of the credit crunch. They are looking at student loans that will take years, if not decades to pay off. They have concerns, and they have the right to vote to change their future. Almost more than I do, they are going to be around longer than I am.
 
foxpaws said:
Mr Ducky -

Do you know how many women vote a certain way, because their husband 'tells' them to? Or how many people cast their ballot according to what the minister told them on Sunday morning?

However much I might disagree with those scenarios - that is their choice - their freedom of choice.

So, those 20-year-old girls (not guys?) have worries - they can't get a job at Starbucks now because of the credit crunch. They are looking at student loans that will take years, if not decades to pay off. They have concerns, and they have the right to vote to change their future. Almost more than I do, they are going to be around longer than I am.
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Fox Foot, With all do respect whether I may have said 20 year old girl in my example its all genders don't feel like I'm being biased towards one or the other. And for the books, don't think they are off any worse then myself or many others on this site. I may vote for what I feel is necessary to me but I'm still in school and know all about debt and how hard its becoming to pay it back off. 16credit hours, two jobs, and still skating by. EVERYONE IS IN A SLUMP, dont matter how we view life, or how we spend our time, costs of living aren't getting lower and were not getting huge raises. Enough Said?
 
Joeychgo said:
[*]Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.
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Several hundred thousand business owners PER YEAR, Joey. How many years does Obama plan to be President - eight to ten, right?
 
Ah, quit with those BS websites that cant even spin something intelligently. He said "President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years."

That doesnt mean he would be president that long (10 years).

Grow up and stop spewing stupidity.
 
Joeychgo said:
Ah, quit with those BS websites that cant even spin something intelligently. He said "President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years."

That doesnt mean he would be president that long (10 years).

Grow up and stop spewing stupidity.
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Oh, snarky! Can't even answer my argument, so now you're calling names.

Call me stupid and a website BS, and I need to grow up? :rolleyes: You sound like Johnny.
 
Eric0508 said:
that doesn't mean that it will be different business every year, you cant count the same business multiple times for every year they are taxed.
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Ah, an actual argument. Thanks for not calling names like the site owner Joey.

Anyhoo, regardless whether or not Palin misspoke when she said millions, it should not take away from her point that the tax increases Obama proposes will hurt HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES.

Wake up people...
 
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