So i was walkin through the aisles in pepboys yesterday, and i saw that the infamous 40 below, that magicly cures our overheating issues, has a transmission additive that says it will cool tranny temps by 57 deg. Usuially i just write that stuff off as bs, but apparently we have had some real success with the 40 below coolant stuff, so i figgured there might be some truth to this one. Anyone use it before?
40 below question
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Dern Humpus
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We ran something of the same idea in my friends stock car. It was called water-wetter. We didnt notice a difference and I believe its just a hoax.
bufordtpisser
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Not a cure all
These products do work if they are used in properly operating cooling systems. Both 40 below and water wetter are good products but will not cure mechanical problems. I believe that Mr. Wilson is trying to bandaid a mechanical issue of overheating just so that he can sell his car to some unsuspecting dupe and try to get major money for a vehicle that has issues. Mr. Wilson, after all of the overheating issues that you have posted on this forum, If I were in your shoes I would disclose the overheating issues to whomever you sell the car to. Because if they come on this board and read about your former issues with the car, and if you sell them the car as being mechanically sound, I believe that there could be serious liability issues involved. Maybe if you had not been on here bragging about how much you beat your car, you could get away with it. But it is both immoral, and very improper to try to sell a problem ridden vehicle as being issue free. I would just hope that this is not your intention. I do believe that you would not want someone doing this to you.
These products do work if they are used in properly operating cooling systems. Both 40 below and water wetter are good products but will not cure mechanical problems. I believe that Mr. Wilson is trying to bandaid a mechanical issue of overheating just so that he can sell his car to some unsuspecting dupe and try to get major money for a vehicle that has issues. Mr. Wilson, after all of the overheating issues that you have posted on this forum, If I were in your shoes I would disclose the overheating issues to whomever you sell the car to. Because if they come on this board and read about your former issues with the car, and if you sell them the car as being mechanically sound, I believe that there could be serious liability issues involved. Maybe if you had not been on here bragging about how much you beat your car, you could get away with it. But it is both immoral, and very improper to try to sell a problem ridden vehicle as being issue free. I would just hope that this is not your intention. I do believe that you would not want someone doing this to you.
bufordtpisser said:
Um....thank you mister morality. The car is not either problematic with overheating. It has had the same one and only overheating problem, that has been unable to fix, due to the fact that the part does not exist, and i have been trying to track it down from all over the WORLD. After this fix, the car will be almost good as factory if not better in most cases. I have replaced most of the parts that would have been worn by my driving. Iv put over $12,000 into this car not including buying it. So it is by no means a piece. Its a GEM. Im just getting to the tail end of all the problems. Mostly they are the common problems that ensue after about 10 years of life. Also, i was talking about the trans 40 below, not the coolant. The new tranny is perfect, i wanted to put it in to make sure the NEXT owner would be satisfied with the car for years to come, because as you know the enemy of auto trannies is heat. Or mabey you didnt know that. Thats why i wanted to keep it cool. Along with the tranny oil coolers i have on there now.
The reason i am selling is that i feel that there is no potential in modifying this car. Atleast to where i want, for a reasonable price. I dont know of any N/A marks that hit 12's yet. I want to build myself a drag car, and this is not the platform to do so. So, by no means am i DUMPING this car on anyone. Whoever buys it will be happy for years.
bufordtpisser
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Go back and read your own posts
Just went through a bunch of your own posts, and you, all by yourself, lead people to the impression that your car has been problematic as far as the overheating issue. Then we go on to the transmission issues, with the replacement from Geno, and all of the issues that you had after you beat the crap out of it after the new tranny. As far as working on cars and having knowledge of the same, I will put my skills against yours any day. Because I can honestly admit that I have never had a vehicle that has taken over a year to fix i simple overheating issue. Or any other issue for that matter. You just don't get the point here. You have asked some of the most over the wall questions on this forum that I have ever had the pleasure of laughing at, and then you wish to call my knowledge or skills to question.
As far as Mr Morality is concerned, I was just trying to do you a favor, because if the new owner of your self described, overheating, down on power "GEM" decides to join this great forum to attempt to fix the problems with his new "GEM" that you could not fix with you L33t Skillz, he may just be referred to your posts about how you beat you fine "GEM" to pieces before you sold it to him as a "GEM". Why must you always take things as a personal assault on your character?? That is not my intention. Just trying to pass some pointers on to someone. Just trying to help you out. After all, you are the one that is always asking for help.
MrWilson said:
Just went through a bunch of your own posts, and you, all by yourself, lead people to the impression that your car has been problematic as far as the overheating issue. Then we go on to the transmission issues, with the replacement from Geno, and all of the issues that you had after you beat the crap out of it after the new tranny. As far as working on cars and having knowledge of the same, I will put my skills against yours any day. Because I can honestly admit that I have never had a vehicle that has taken over a year to fix i simple overheating issue. Or any other issue for that matter. You just don't get the point here. You have asked some of the most over the wall questions on this forum that I have ever had the pleasure of laughing at, and then you wish to call my knowledge or skills to question.
As far as Mr Morality is concerned, I was just trying to do you a favor, because if the new owner of your self described, overheating, down on power "GEM" decides to join this great forum to attempt to fix the problems with his new "GEM" that you could not fix with you L33t Skillz, he may just be referred to your posts about how you beat you fine "GEM" to pieces before you sold it to him as a "GEM". Why must you always take things as a personal assault on your character?? That is not my intention. Just trying to pass some pointers on to someone. Just trying to help you out. After all, you are the one that is always asking for help.
Just for the record, all used vehicles are sold "as is." That's not to say however that you can lie about the car's condition. For example if the car is overheating and the potential buyer asks if there are any known problems with the car, and you answer "no" and then he buys the car and 2 days later it overheats, you maybe liable for it.
hotrodlincoln93
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:F * plays old song* ''why cant we be friends.. why cant we be friends.... why cant we be friends.. why cant we be friends??'' :Beer
bufordtpisser
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My point exactly
That is the exact point that I was trying to make. I was also trying to point out that posting those types of things in a public forum, could come back to bite you in the azz. Can't call your car a "GEM" after you have written in a public forum about how badly you have flogged it. And I don't know about where you are from, but in Pennsylvania, unless you sell the car "AS IS", you can be held responsible for it.
I can be friends with Mr. Wilson, I have no personal issues with him, or with anyone else on this board. I try not to take offense to any comments that are directed at me.
95LSC32V said:
That is the exact point that I was trying to make. I was also trying to point out that posting those types of things in a public forum, could come back to bite you in the azz. Can't call your car a "GEM" after you have written in a public forum about how badly you have flogged it. And I don't know about where you are from, but in Pennsylvania, unless you sell the car "AS IS", you can be held responsible for it.
I can be friends with Mr. Wilson, I have no personal issues with him, or with anyone else on this board. I try not to take offense to any comments that are directed at me.
Dominus
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With how sensitive auto trannies are these days, I wouldn't put a damn thing besides Mercon V in there.
I dont know where your getting your facts from, but iv never had an overheating issue till december. It has not taken me an obsurd ammount of time besides in finding the correct part.
Its not an oil...its an additive.
Dominus said:
Its not an oil...its an additive.
Dominus
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I understand that it is an additive, but even an additive can greatly charge the properties of your ATF. I would rather upgrade to a larger external transmission cooler and depend on that for temp reduction than put some unknown formula into my transmission.
We KNOW that a larger tranny cooler will reduce tranny temp without affecting transmission operations. That stuff? Who knows.
We KNOW that a larger tranny cooler will reduce tranny temp without affecting transmission operations. That stuff? Who knows.
Chaoticbastard
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As for selling a car in PA.if it is private citizen to private citizen it is AS-IS as stated by law.Only a dealer can offer a warranty and only a dealer can be held to a warranty.Mr Wilson can tell whoever wants his car whatever he wants about it.As long as the car isnt rigged to kill someone after they get in it.He isnt liable for anything.
Chaoticbastard said:
lol, thanks, but thats not my intention anyways. incase you are saying well then why...I AM SELLING BECAUSE I WANT A DRAG CAR. The mark 8 is by no means a drag car, or a car with drag potential.
Chaoticbastard
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MrWilson said:
Hey I hear ya,Anyone can sell there car for whatever reasons.I have a drag car for you.Even trade for your M8.
1978 Plymouth Volare 4 door 225 slant six,Dropped to the ground due to excessive sinkage from being parked for 15 years.Hook a chain and drag it anywhere.Let me know if your interested
nobodyspecial
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Chaoticbastard said:
If that is truly the case, it is the first State in the Union to have such a law to my knowledge. In other states I have lived in, intentionally misrepresenting an item for sale is known as fraud. Now, if the seller uses vague words like 'mint' or 'reliable' then it is simple salesmanship, but if they hide a major known problem (bad tranny, rod knock, etc.), or tell you it does not burn a drop of oil, when it fact burns a quart every 50 yards. they can be held liable for repair or refund to the extent that the property value is diminished. Not saying the courts always grant that relief, but the process is available.
As a general rule, if the item does not perform the basic function for which it was intended (in a reasonable way), then the seller can be liable to make good on the deal if they have misrepresented the item.
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I would be curious to read the applicable sections of law, please give your source of that information (statute numbers would be great, thanks in advance CB.)
Dominus
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As-is definitely requires that the item was accurately described in the first place. otherwise, it is most certainly fraud.
Chaoticbastard
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Your both wrong.As-Is is as is.That is it.You can leave there driveway with it and if it throws a rod its still yours.This is not how I operate I am only sharing my experience of what happened to me with a dealer non the less.I lost the court case because it was as is.if as is is written on the bill of sale.Then no matter what happens its yours.It is the BUYERS responsibiity to check the car over completly.It is insane to imagine private people can offer warrantys and that the unexpected would happen.
Dominus
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Chaoticbastard said:
Depends on your state. In Florida, for example, you would have won. If the seller told you he was selling a running car, and it turned out to have a blown engine, the seller loses.
I know someone who purchased a set of wheels that were advertised as being in excellent shape. They turned out to be bent. The seller of the wheels lost the case.
nobodyspecial said:
I believe that you also have to have willful intentions to cover it up too. If you sell a car and list it as perfect and it blows a head gasket down the road, you didnt know that was gonna happen either. In that instance there would be no case either.
bufordtpisser
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You are wrong.....
If you advertise a car as only being driven on sundays by a little old lady, a real GEM, best of the best, and then it turns out that the car was raced on every occasion and beat into the ground, you can be held liable. You are not offering a warranty, you are using deceptive practices and commiting fraud. It has absolutely nothing to do with warranties. Sell the car "AS IS" and if the buyer gets out of the drive and throws a rod, you are not liable. I agree with that. But don't advertise it as a "GEM" and describe it as something else, and then believe that you are not liable for the fraud that you have comitted. The best thing that you can do when you sell a car in Pennsylvania, is to have the buyer sign an "AS IS" disclosure statement in front of the notary as well as have them sign the advertisement in front of the notary. Just do not make false statements on either. Simply selling something "AS IS" does not release you from fraudulent claims.
Chaoticbastard said:
If you advertise a car as only being driven on sundays by a little old lady, a real GEM, best of the best, and then it turns out that the car was raced on every occasion and beat into the ground, you can be held liable. You are not offering a warranty, you are using deceptive practices and commiting fraud. It has absolutely nothing to do with warranties. Sell the car "AS IS" and if the buyer gets out of the drive and throws a rod, you are not liable. I agree with that. But don't advertise it as a "GEM" and describe it as something else, and then believe that you are not liable for the fraud that you have comitted. The best thing that you can do when you sell a car in Pennsylvania, is to have the buyer sign an "AS IS" disclosure statement in front of the notary as well as have them sign the advertisement in front of the notary. Just do not make false statements on either. Simply selling something "AS IS" does not release you from fraudulent claims.
Chaoticbastard
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Again your wrong.I am a car dealer and this is how it works.You could say it has 400 horse.If it doesnt are you entitled to your money back?Absolutly not.Trust me it sux.But this is how these cons work.I have bought cars in several different states and that is how it is.