25 DOCUMENTED Bush Flip Flops

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1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

11. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

13. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

14. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

15. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

16. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

20. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

21. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

23. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

25. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
 
Oh oh, now you've done it. I can see the "Anybody but Kerry" responses coming now any minute...........

"Oh that's baloney, you're just trying to divert the attention from the REAL issues.......... If you look at all the lies Kerry told after he came back from Vietnam.........."

"Yeah, but Kerry did...... blah blah blah.........., show me some REAL proof of Bush flip-flopping or doing something he didn't promise."

:I

Isn't there a smiley talking to a brick wall somewhere around here?
 
It's all over after Bush speaks tonight, so none of this matters.

Dick Cheney and Zel Miller destroyed Kerry last night.

I watched a show after the speeches with a group of 16 undecideds and 11 said they were now in the Bush camp after hearing about the real John Kerry. Bush will be up 53-46 a week from now and Kerry will not be able to make up the ground.

California may now be in play after Arnold's fantastic speech. This could turn into a route.

And remember, the Swift Vet guys are not done and will be providing an October Surprise that will finish off Kerry. Plus, Osama will be pulled out of the cave just in the nick of time.

I have never had so much fun as this past week has provided. Looked in USA today and they had Zel Miller buried on page 5 and the paper did its best to play it off as an angry old man. Man, that guy was smokin. I was hooting and hollerin at the TV set. What fun!
 
It's all over after Bush speaks tonight, so none of this matters.

Thats FAR from true -- no debates yet -- Just wait to see what happens the next 2 months. Bush has done a less then stellar job, and that will show through...
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Oh oh, now you've done it. I can see the "Anybody but Kerry" responses coming now any minute...........

"Oh that's baloney, you're just trying to divert the attention from the REAL issues.......... If you look at all the lies Kerry told after he came back from Vietnam.........."

"Yeah, but Kerry did...... blah blah blah.........., show me some REAL proof of Bush flip-flopping or doing something he didn't promise."

:I

Isn't there a smiley talking to a brick wall somewhere around here?

I think the smiley talking to a brick wall is a picture of you as the brick wall :N

Seriously, I saw this immediately after Joey posted and didn't feel like I could contribute anything meaningful to it. I guess I should've posted something similar to what you did so as not to disappoint you ;)

But some if not most of that posted is probably true. But most of it didn't rise to a level that I would consider damaging in a political sense IMO. Weighing Kerry's "flip-flops" or whatever you want to call them against Bush's flip-flops is a mountain versus a mole hill. It's like comparing the money spent on 527 (?) anti-Kerry ads versus the anti-Bush ads. Not even close. Now if your point is that Bush isn't perfect, then I agree. If your point is that Bush is as much of a flip-flopper as Kerry, then I disagree. Just my plug nickels' worth.
 
Joeychgo said:
Thats FAR from true -- no debates yet -- Just wait to see what happens the next 2 months. Bush has done a less then stellar job, and that will show through...

Yea, its hardly over. I cant wait for the debates, that will be a pretty good event IMO that will sway people one way or the other im sure.
 
Punisher said:
Yea, its hardly over. I cant wait for the debates, that will be a pretty good event IMO that will sway people one way or the other im sure.

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See the problem with the flip flops is that they never seem to tellt he whole story....... yes, Kerry voted against funding the war after previously agreeing to it- but why? Could it be that the bill CHANGED in some manner that made him not want to support it anymore? Thats not a flip flop ---
 
Joeychgo said:
See the problem with the flip flops is that they never seem to tellt he whole story....... yes, Kerry voted against funding the war after previously agreeing to it- but why? Could it be that the bill CHANGED in some manner that made him not want to support it anymore? Thats not a flip flop ---

In some cases I agree with you, but in others I do not.
 
MonsterMark said:
Plus, Osama will be pulled out of the cave just in the nick of time.

I wish this would happen, but not for Bush's re-election hopes. Anybody got a guess where Osama may be hiding? I say he's in the Sudan. That militant muslim movement there is his doing I'm guessing. He needs a new power base. I also say that the reward for Osama bin Laden should be increased to $1 billion dollars. That should produce results and save the U.S. money in the long run.
 
What got Zell Miller all hopped up was that Daschle used politics to delay the formation of the Department of Homeland Security. He saw it for what it was. Unexcusable politicing at the expense of the safety of Americans.

Now guys, don't get your hopes too high on the debates. I think there will only be two, and even though the questions will obviously favor Kerry and everyone will be hard on Bush, Bush always comes off more favorably, especially against a stiff upper lip like Kerry.

Looks like the jobs report showed 166,000 gain this month. Also, 40% of execs in a survey have said they will be hiring in the next 6 months. Hopefully Bush wins so Republicans can finally get some credit for their policies instead of the Dems always falling into them.
 
where did you get those labor stats from??

What execs say and what execs do are two different things
 
Pepsi2185 said:
where did you get those labor stats from??

What execs say and what execs do are two different things

I believe his figure was from a estimate of how many jobs this month, I think the real figure fell short of 150,000
 
Yes, the actual numbers came in at 144,000 for August but they also revised the July numbers up an additional 50,000. Several reports show an increase of 150,000 -200,000 jobs/month for the next 6-12 months with the growing economy. Unemployment is at 5.4%, the exact number that got Clinton re-elected back in '96. Or was that the worse economy in the last 200 years according to many Dems?
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U.S. economic growth sizzles
Third-quarter growth of 7.2 percent is strongest in nearly two decades; will job growth follow?
October 30, 2003: 5:47 PM EST
By Mark Gongloff, CNN/Money Staff Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - U.S. economic growth surged in the third quarter at the fastest pace in nearly two decades, the government said Thursday, but even President Bush admitted that was unlikely to be sustained.

Gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic activity, grew at a 7.2 percent annual rate in the quarter after growing at a 3.3 percent pace in the second quarter, the Commerce Department reported. Economists, on average, expected GDP growth of 6 percent, according to Briefing.com.

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"This is obviously an extraordinarily strong report, led by the consumer, but also with good signs about the state of the business sector and business confidence," said Lehman Brothers economist Drew Matus.

The burst of GDP growth was led by a 6.6 percent jump in consumer spending, the fastest pace since the third quarter of 1997. Consumer spending grew at a 3.8 percent pace in the second quarter.

Child tax credit checks and lower rates of income tax withholding helped fuel the third-quarter spending surge, enabling the Bush administration -- which pushed for tax cuts earlier this year -- to take a victory lap Thursday morning.

"The tax relief we passed is working. We left more money in the hands of the American people and the American people are moving this economy forward," Bush said at a speech in Columbus, Ohio. He cautioned: "We cannot expect economic growth numbers like this every quarter."

The new numbers could provide a big political boost for Bush as he heads into an election year, but Democrats said the president had little to do with the growth and blamed him for job losses during his presidency.

"We've lost more than 3 million jobs," Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, a Democratic presidential candidate, said, according to Reuters. "This president still has no real plan to sustain this growth, translate it into jobs, and rebuild a strong middle class."


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This was over a year ago. Notice how the numbers Dems were crying about was 3,000,000. I heard a Dem talking head say that Bush will not catch up to 'zero jobs loss' before the election. What happened to the crying about 3,000,000 jobs. Then listen to Lieberman "This president still has no real plan to sustain this growth". Nothing will ever make these incredibly pessimistic people happy. The only way they can win is to make people feel like :q:q:q:q. What a way to go through life!
 
Real Gross Domestic Product: Percent Change from Preceding Year
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1992 - 3.3
1993 - 2.7
1994 - 4.0
1995 - 2.5
1996 - 3.7 .... Internet Boom
1997 - 4.5 .... Internet Boom
1998 - 4.2 .... Internet Bubble
1999 - 4.5 .... Internet Bubble
2000 - 3.7 .... Internet Burst. Beginning of recession under Clinton
2001 - 0.8 .... 9/11
2002 - 1.9
2003 - 3.0

Also compare these numbers in terms of overall dollars. As an example, is it easier for Microsoft to grow 30%/year from a base of $5 billion or from a base of $30 billion? So the way we measure GDP success should not be in terms of % but instead should be in terms of real dollars. IMHO, of course.
 
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Lincolnman said:
Bush not only flip flops, he belly flopped when it came to running this country!!! :zgreenbou

I thought W was for "wrong" and F was for "flip-flop"?
 

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