Dear Leftists...So Obama is not a Kenyan Huh?

I also saw the vid where Obama says 'my muslim faith' and Snuffleuphagus corrected him.

Too many Freudian slips with this bunch.
 
...I'm not buying it.

I'll entertain the dual citizenship arguments.
I'll entertain the "natural born citizen" arguments.
I'll even listen to the arguments that his mother isn't really his mother or his father isn't really his natural father.... but it makes no sense that he was born in a hut in Kenya. Even the dopiest, sluttiest, critical theory studying marxist doesn't want to give birth in a Kenyan mudhut in 1961.

I think this video demonstrates WHY those citizenship arguments are so important. Because Obama doesn't have a pure allegiance or identification with our country. He doesn't consider himself an American first, but he's identifying with his African "identity," his Kenyan roots.

The U.S. President shouldn't be a "citizen of the world," he should be an American.

It's significant when a guy enters adulthood and changes his name, or how he's identified, from Barry Soetorro to Barrack Hussein Obama. That' name is a bold statement and a name that really puts you on the outside of the main stream American culture, particularly in the early 80s, a period full of Muslim terror and tension.

These movies of Michelle are damning. But not because they speak of what hospital he was born in. They speak of something much more insidious. They speak of his true identity, how he perceives himself.
 
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Bottom line - if Obama would just produce his BC and his college records a lot of this would go away. I know there'd still be some 'FAKE!' screamers but I'd probably be satisfied.

Thing is, he wouldn't do it now even if he had the correct info. He likes dividing the country so much, he chooses to create controversy wherever he can.
 
fossten said:
Bottom line - if Obama would just produce his BC and his college records a lot of this would go away. I know there'd still be some 'FAKE!' screamers but I'd probably be satisfied.

Thing is, he wouldn't do it now even if he had the correct info. He likes dividing the country so much, he chooses to create controversy wherever he can.
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He stands to gain nothing by releasing he records.
They probably are damning.
But in the meantime, they can dismiss any questions of his identity and past by mocking those asking it as "birthers," a claim or charge that appears ridiculous to most people.

And, just like during the campaign, all the energy spent secret Kenyan conspiracies just consumes time and resources that may otherwise be spent on something useful and not self-damning.
 
To be fair, only a few people are spending energy on this - I'm not. I'm focused on other things. But that doesn't mean I don't share in the doubts about The Cokehead's citizenship, his loyalties, and his qualifications.
 
fossten said:
To be fair, only a few people are spending energy on this - I'm not. I'm focused on other things. But that doesn't mean I don't share in the doubts about The Cokehead's citizenship, his loyalties, and his qualifications.
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You're right, most people aren't convinced that he's a Kenyan by birth.
But the few that do are.... or more accurately, were loud enough so that, with the help of the 5th column in the media, anyone who simply wants his records released can be smeared as being "birthers" and then dismissed.

He's an internationalist.
He clearly does identify himself as a Kenyan, that's demonstrated by all of these videos of Michelle and his trips to Kenya while representing the Congress.

Where are the passports, college records, ect. The only one I can think of that was released without his say was his application to the bar where he obviously engaged in a lie, failing to report any "other" names that he had gone by.

The guy is a front man. And if we actually knew his real biography, not the propagandistic construct that has been given to us which relies on incredibly powerful manipulation techniques that have been used for centuries. Be it the Homeric epic that Bill Ayers we call his autobiography or the use of imagery in his campaign, Obama (the brand) is a very much a product.
 
"Then you were born, and we agreed that the three of us would return to Kenya..."

That means that after he was born, presumably in Hawaii, his mother thought of accompanying his father when he returned to Kenya.
Of course, Senior had no interest in that.

I've yet to see anything that really indicates that he was born overseas or that puts his mother in Kenya at the time of his birth.
 
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I think it's pretty clear that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I also think it's pretty clear that there are issues he does not want explored by submitting his original BC to review. Like his college records.

They can end up being embarassing when you've cultivated the notion that you're really special, and you end up being a run of the mill student.

I see this situation as similar to how John Kerry was presented, as this enormously wise and smart leader, who ended up with grades worse then GWB in college.

Some folks can't stand the fact that they failed at some point in their lives. Another reason I do not trust this clown or anyone around him.
 
Calabrio said:
You're right, most people aren't convinced that he's a Kenyan by birth.
But the few that do are.... or more accurately, were loud enough so that, with the help of the 5th column in the media, anyone who simply wants his records released can be smeared as being "birthers" and then dismissed.

He's an internationalist.
He clearly does identify himself as a Kenyan, that's demonstrated by all of these videos of Michelle and his trips to Kenya while representing the Congress.

Where are the passports, college records, ect. The only one I can think of that was released without his say was his application to the bar where he obviously engaged in a lie, failing to report any "other" names that he had gone by.

The guy is a front man. And if we actually knew his real biography, not the propagandistic construct that has been given to us which relies on incredibly powerful manipulation techniques that have been used for centuries. Be it the Homeric epic that Bill Ayers we call his autobiography or the use of imagery in his campaign, Obama (the brand) is a very much a product.
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This is the most succinct evaluation of the situation I've run across. Very well put!
KS
 
20% of Americans are "birthers", including 12% - 15% are Democrats in liberals. "Birthers" either flat out believe Obama not a "natural born" citizen or simply have doubts.
 
Kstills said:
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I think it's pretty clear that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I also think it's pretty clear that there are issues he does not want explored by submitting his original BC to review. Like his college records.

They can end up being embarassing when you've cultivated the notion that you're really special, and you end up being a run of the mill student.

I see this situation as similar to how John Kerry was presented, as this enormously wise and smart leader, who ended up with grades worse then GWB in college.

Some folks can't stand the fact that they failed at some point in their lives. Another reason I do not trust this clown or anyone around him.
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I also think he might have a thesis or paper or two wandering around out there that might be seen as 'revolutionary' or 'socialist'. It really doesn't matter to people that they might have been written 1/4 century ago - and he might have altered his viewpoints from college days (which I think most of us have ;) ), they could have been damaging in a campaign, or in future campaigns.

And the whole 'Kenyan' thing - don't you think it is more like saying you're "Irish" even though your DNA hasn't seen the Emerald Isle for generations?

Many people I know when asked 'what are you' often answer with ancestral information - Scot, Transylvanian, Russian... And you might nudge your grandmother with a wink and say "heck, all us Greeks like a little Ouzo now and then".
 
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I also think he might have a thesis or paper or two wandering around out there that might be seen as 'revolutionary' or 'socialist'. It really doesn't matter to people that they might have been written 1/4 century ago - and he might have altered his viewpoints from college days (which I think most of us have ;) ), they could have been damaging in a campaign, or in future campaigns.
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It's typical of you to dismiss things like this, but I'll pretend you're being genuine for the sake of discussion.

Do you think his positions or philosophy has changed since then? If so, when did it change and why?

And weren't you the one who was trying to argue that he WAS NOT a "socialist or revolutionary" while in college, despite the claims to the contrary?


And the whole 'Kenyan' thing - don't you think it is more like saying you're "Irish" even though your DNA hasn't seen the Emerald Isle for generations?
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I think it's deeper than that. He's not saying, "I'm Kenyan on my father's side."

And that is represented by his name change.
Barry Soetero is related to differently than Barrack Hussein Obama.
That name change is a very pronounced statement of his outward identity, something that is only reinforced by his politics, studies, influences, and who he chose to associate with.
 
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foxpaws said:
I also think he might have a thesis or paper or two wandering around out there that might be seen as 'revolutionary' or 'socialist'. It really doesn't matter to people that they might have been written 1/4 century ago - and he might have altered his viewpoints from college days (which I think most of us have ;) ), they could have been damaging in a campaign, or in future campaigns.
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You don't know that his college thesis was written about nuclear non-proliferation? More to the point, the unilateral disarmament of America's nuclear weapons. Might want to read up on that a bit. Why do you think the 'Thesis' is missing, along with every other record this guy ever had?


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And the whole 'Kenyan' thing - don't you think it is more like saying you're "Irish" even though your DNA hasn't seen the Emerald Isle for generations?
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His supposed father was not, nor ever was, an American citizen. That's a non-starter right there.

And do you really think the midget Kenyan is his real father? Make me laugh.

foxpaws said:
Many people I know when asked 'what are you' often answer with ancestral information - Scot, Transylvanian, Russian... And you might nudge your grandmother with a wink and say "heck, all us Greeks like a little Ouzo now and then".
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More deflection.
 
foxpaws said:
I also think he might have a thesis or paper or two wandering around out there that might be seen as 'revolutionary' or 'socialist'. It really doesn't matter to people that they might have been written 1/4 century ago - and he might have altered his viewpoints from college days (which I think most of us have ;) ), they could have been damaging in a campaign, or in future campaigns.

And the whole 'Kenyan' thing - don't you think it is more like saying you're "Irish" even though your DNA hasn't seen the Emerald Isle for generations?

Many people I know when asked 'what are you' often answer with ancestral information - Scot, Transylvanian, Russian... And you might nudge your grandmother with a wink and say "heck, all us Greeks like a little Ouzo now and then".
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Well, that's where we disagree.

I, for one, don't think his views have changed all that much. He was raised a 'radical', hung out with radicals, adopted radical views, and promotes radical changes to a society that increasingly rejects both those views and him personally.

And the sad fact is, it was clear as day who and what he was well before the election, but because of a left leaning press and a bunch of war weary, gullible moderates, he was elected.

Oh, well, the worm will turn. :)
 
MonsterMark said:
Ad Naseum... it doesn't matter where he was born. Still didn't and doesn't qualify for the position.

See what they did to McCain in the press over this same issue.
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Technically he qualifies. :)

But I agree that he is unfit for the job.
 
Kstills said:
Technically he qualifies. :)

But I agree that he is unfit for the job.
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He won the election by a comfortable margin.

The people get the government they deserve.

If he is unfit as a leader then we are unfit as a nation.
 
04SCTLS said:
He won the election by a comfortable margin.

The people get the government they deserve.

If he is unfit as a leader then we are unfit as a nation.
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In the course of a nation’s history, it is natural that political philosophies will evolve which run contrary to the original principles evident at the time of that nation’s founding. A nation founded in tyranny will by its nature spawn sentiment in direct opposition to that tyranny. Conversely, a nation which is dedicated to protecting the rights of its people, and seeks to bind the excesses of power which naturally accrue to governments, is subject to the evolution of factions which strive to throw off those shackles of restraint and gather power and influence over the people. Freedom is not a pre-existing condition into which everyone is delivered. Freedom and personal liberty are conditions of existence which are hard fought for and once won, must be maintained. Each generation must be taught anew the importance of eternal vigilance against those who would disregard the limits imposed on government, and usurp powers not granted to them by the people.
Today this state and the nation are in crisis precisely because we as a people have failed to maintain that vigilance. We have failed to pass down from one generation to another the critical knowledge and lessons that history provides. We have let rot from within, the foundation upon which freedom and prosperity must be built for it to survive.

This election cycle is unique in the history of both this state and our nation. We are presented with a situation in which WE THE PEOPLE, must re-educate ourselves and our neighbors, and put the knowledge of liberty to work in the elections this November. Years of neglect have allowed factions detrimental to the core principles of this nation, to entrench themselves in both political parties, and undermine the education of Constitutional principles vital to the survival of the republic.
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A few of us are hitting the gym....:p
 
Kstills said:
Technically he qualifies. :)
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Actually, that's disputed.
And there are some reasonable arguments that explain why. However, the arguments are neither confirmed of disproved because the information necessary simply isn't made available.

If he has dual citizenship, is he eligible to be President?
Did he have dual citizenship with Britain because of Kenya?
Was he a citizen in Indonesia when he was adopted and lived here and attended school? And how did he travel to Pakistan in the 80s?

There's something extremely subversive about this political blitzkrieg. Obama is the front man, and, if you think about it, if you're in front of a political movement that seeks to discredit and "progress" past the constitution, why not select a guy who isn't "constitutional".

At the same rate, why run a candidate with such a huge vulnerability. That either speaks of the absurdity of the theory, or the incredible confidence and power of the people behind him.

The Clinton's backed off of this guy for a reason. It wasn't because Obama is such a brilliant politician or Gibbs is such a brilliant spokesperson.

But I agree that he is unfit for the job.
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It's incredible to go and read 20th century history.
It's incredible how it's just not taught in schools or college.


...and when the world ceases to make sense, people contrive conspiracy theories in order create the order they seek in their mind. Taking pieces or fact and using their own constructs to tie them together. Usually they make the mistake of thinking that all of creating a single directing force is the binding influence. I think that's a mistake.

Most of the time, there are a lot of competing factions with some common goals. Their efforts can compliment and assist each other, though their motivations may differ. So you don't have a single table full of evil people sitting in Europe controlling the world, but lots of different tables of people using similar policies and actions to achieve different things in their self-interest.

Communist, working with anarchists, working with bankers, working with environmentalist, working with corporations, working with unions, working with politicians.
 
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