300C run in

I would say the 300 would take the LS but the cars are close enough where its a matter of who punches it first. if it took him 1 second to see/hear you punch it, and then another second to downshift, its going to take a HUGE power difference to make up for that lost time.

For example, my car stock ran a 15.3 (but was set up for nitrous which slowed it a bit). I then ran a 13.7 with a 100 shot. That's roughly 1.6 seconds difference.

No contest in the twisties, LS wins hands down.
 
lseguy said:
390lb ft of torque, 345hp..vs about 280 and 280.

Ok. Whatever you say. ;)
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lol, you really like leghumping the POS dodge LX cars don't you?


I love playing with guys like you that quote horsepower numbers without actually going to the track or seeing a car on a dyno... ever

how great do you think that 340BHP is when it is put into a 4,200lbs car and given a gear ratio so completely useless.... and let's not begin to take into consideration the heavier brakes and wheels... which are unsprung weight... further hurting it from a stop

your 340BHP means squat when it's thrown on a shotty geared fatass like the dodge LX platform... they run mid 14's @ 98-99MPH pretty consistently here in michigan, my LS has ran 14.7 @ 98MPH with a 2.4 short time.... smack that down to a 2.1 short time and you are looking at 1/4 mile times comparable to the 5.7L LX's

dodge makes a pretty useless car in the LX platform with no thought into them at all, it's been that way for awhile now

also, if you look at my link in the kill story.... look at the tag underneath my name, yes... I have NO IDEA what I'm talking about and am lying at that forum

XD

also, a CAI+tune S197 GT only put a car on my LS 0-85MPH... a CAI+tune on the 3V modular 4.6L in the S197 makes for a mid 13 second car on average... pro drivers have gotten low low 13's with the combo though due to a best bone stock run in the S197 3V being 13.4
 
TDUB said:
Sorry if you posted it somewhere, I can't seem to find it but you ran it in a Mark correct?
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nope, my pretty much stock GTO, beat him by a car with 3 people in the car and him being pretty modded out

and to the the guy exclaiming it's a 4 door sedan and shouldn't be compared... it's a 4 door sedan with 430BHP... don't tell me it shouldn't be compared when dodge tried to make it compete with the cars you are trying to say it shouldn't be compared to


unless you want to compare it to other 4 door sedans....
YouTube - Chrysler 300C SRT8 vs BMW M5 drag race

heh
 
The M has 500 hp even though it gives up 60 cubic inches. It should have won by more than that. I'm not really impressed at that $86K base price tag.
 
02LincLS said:
The M has 500 hp even though it gives up 60 cubic inches. It should have won by more than that. I'm not really impressed at that $86K base price tag.
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4+ car lengths in a 1/4 mile drag race is a straight up slaughter between two 12 second cars. I was just putting it into terms of "It's a 4 door sedan so it shouldn't be compared to a GTO"... so I compared it to cars in it's "class"

an SRT8 steps up the game, best vs best... you would have to compare SRT8 to M and AMG before anything else... and let's be honest... in that lineup the fake HEMI would get stomped on

at the end of the day it's about who crossed the finish line first, BHP, WHP, torque, weight, final drive ratio, price tag AND ESPECIALLY horsepower per liter have no say in the matter once one car conquers another in the 1/4 mile
 
601hotboy said:
Sorry if you all are doubting me, but I must say I had my car in the right gear at the right time.. But hey I was just spreading the news of what happened. I would think some of you would be glad to hear of something like this happen. I know I am. I have no reason nor desire to post false info. Yes I well know the power of the 300 C, hey maybe it was a drivers race. Maybe he didnt floor it, yea right.. :p Sure enough I left him in the twisties, and thats what I loved the most. Thought I was in a bimmer for a second..lol.. without the expensive parts...I'm quite sure even if i had a video some of you would still doubt how i beat the car.. A loss is a loss.. I hope that 300c's driver will think twice about running another ls in the twisties...
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Chalk that one up for yourself not the car. It was a bad mistake the other driver apparently made or he would have had your ass made. Point blank, we all have LSes and those of us that can admit it know what power they hold and its not much at all.
 
Morbid Intentions said:
nope, my pretty much stock GTO, beat him by a car with 3 people in the car and him being pretty modded out

and to the the guy exclaiming it's a 4 door sedan and shouldn't be compared... it's a 4 door sedan with 430BHP... don't tell me it shouldn't be compared when dodge tried to make it compete with the cars you are trying to say it shouldn't be compared to


unless you want to compare it to other 4 door sedans....
YouTube - Chrysler 300C SRT8 vs BMW M5 drag race

heh
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Wow, race some cars of your class and gain real bragging rights. Dodge had no intentions what so ever to make it compete with GTOs bud! They just wanted a sedan with a good amount of power. Gee, now who would have new, a GTO beat a SRT8 sedan weighing over 4klbs.


I love people with these so called hot rods pick on the little guys, what do they call them? Bullies?
 
JWerner2 said:
Chalk that one up for yourself not the car. It was a bad mistake the other driver apparently made or he would have had your ass made. Point blank, we all have LSes and those of us that can admit it know what power they hold and its not much at all.
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you have to get your LS recharged or something, because my LS has more power now then it did stock and im content so far!
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
you have to get your LS recharged or something, because my LS has more power now then it did stock and im content so far!
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What are you talking about? Im content and I got all the bolt ons that dont require fabrication ( wow a intake and exhaust ) but you also dont hear me with these outlandish kill stories. If you race a car thats more powerful than yours with the proper power to weight ratio and you win what does that tell you?

Sooner or later you will see where some of us come from, you say yourself you are content so why post a rebuttal to my comment?

For the 16K I paid for my car I could have bought a car with real power where it counts. So could most of us that purchased the LS new or used more than 5 years ago. But I as well as others chose the LS cause it has the right power to perform with what its made to do.

Unfortunately and Im sorry to burst your bubble but that wasnt to race GTO's and 300c's. Which is why people like Quick, ILLls and Pektel are doing some serious fabrication,.... oh and I can leave out Missing Link:D
 
JWerner2 said:
Wow, race some cars of your class and gain real bragging rights. Dodge had no intentions what so ever to make it compete with GTOs bud! They just wanted a sedan with a good amount of power. Gee, now who would have new, a GTO beat a SRT8 sedan weighing over 4klbs.


I love people with these so called hot rods pick on the little guys, what do they call them? Bullies?
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fact of the matter is they are "my class"... LOL @ "little guys"

let me give you some facts there killer, the 300C SRT8 is FASTER than the charger SRT8 stock for stock... both are 4 doors, and both were DIRECT competitors for other muscle cars... ALL of the dodge LX cars are overweight pigs... even the challenger... just because the fact dodge decided to hire cavemen in their SRT8 team (which stands for street & racing tech I might add) doesn't negate the fact it can't keep up

the dodge LX wagons are pieces that... in the grand scheme of things, can not hang, the muscle cars they were designed to hang with outrun them, and the other 4 door luxury sedans in their class dropkick them in the face

you don't know too much about cars if you are going to sit here and say a 300C SRT8 isn't in the same "class" as GTO

but if you really must b*tch about "class" to make up for your lack of info on cars here you go...

YouTube - 2006 GTO vs. 2000 mustang GT



I've been into the performance car thing for awhile bub... I think it's funny you want to whine about "class" when stock the SRT8 version LX vehicles are normally low-mid 13's with a change to dip 12's


and yet, even more facts... @ ubly dragway I clocked a 98MPH trap through the 1/4 mile in my LS... bone stock, what do 300C's trap?

here, let me help you
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chrysler-300-Timeslip-10130.html


I've also got a 2004 350Z under my belt by a half a car in my LS


let me start you off with a breakdown since you are so confident in your info of magazine numbers.... here is my LS 40-120MPH against a CAI/tune/ORmidpipe/catback/short shifter manual 2004 GT

YouTube - Jason vs Brian

^^^ race starts @ 4 seconds in.... sound messed up

so now we have a basic bolt on manual 2004 mustang GT beating my stock LS by a 1/2 a car 40-120MPH... you with me so far?

back when "I" owned my basic bolt on 2004 mustang GT...
YouTube - Fun Vid

I would pull on 5.7L dodge LX cars very easily... even from a highway roll, yet the mustang that I raced in that video with the LS would stay door to door with my stang back when I owned it

with me so far?

let's recap.... my friends bolt on 2004 GT put a half car on my LS from a 40 roll.... the same mustang would put cars on a dodge 5.7L LX fake HEMI

I understand you will probably strike back in some crazy fashion but face it, "FACTS" from a guy that actually has been running his cars for awhile are kind of hard to come back at, so take a walk


the 300C "IS" faster than a 2nd gen V8 LS, but it's by such a small margin that the LS can AND will take the win with a confident driver and a decent launch... personal experience speaks :-)
 
How the hell is a sedan in the same class as a coupe?

Regardless my point is I dont doubt you but why pick fights with cars you know you will win against and brag about it? That shows you are small and weak regardless of the power your car has.

Ill take my speed boat and race a sail boat and I will brag about it all day long!!!!!!!!!
 
JWerner2 said:
How the hell is a sedan in the same class as a coupe?

Regardless my point is I dont doubt you but why pick fights with cars you know you will win against and brag about it? That shows you are small and weak regardless of the power your car has.

Ill take my speed boat and race a sail boat and I will brag about it all day long!!!!!!!!!
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are you this dense all the time?

a 300C SRT8 is a good kill regardless of what you roll in... with 430BHP and even more torque I find it funny you look at it like "picking on" cars... this particular sedan IS in the same class as this particular coupe, stop looking at it like an old man and look at it like an automotive enthusiast knowing what both cars are capable of

both RWD, both V8's making over 400BHP, both over 3700lbs... both are muscle cars

for you to say a 300C SRT8 shouldn't be compared to a mustang or a GTO you have to say the charger shouldn't in the same sentence... and let's face it, mustang/camaro/charger/GTO... all muscle cars, the fact dodge made it a 4 door is irrelevant

on the street it's run what you brung, in this case I can beat a fully modded out HCI geared and 315 DR mustang by 5 car lengths, but can only beat the baby cam, bolt on 300C SRT8 by 1

which means the 300C SRT8 that I raced would put 4 cars on a purpose built straight line pony car with ease... there goes your "class" comparison out the window
 
Heres a good comparison for you guys, I went out to find a street race particularly with a 300C, Ive ran them at the track, now street, didnt find any, but low and behold I run into an LT1 Formula Firebird.. I out launched him with my street tires, I tihnk he had slick, and put 3 lengths on him till about 110 when I shut down.. We pulled off to a parking lot and talked, it had a LT4 cam, full exhaust, blah blah blah... Point being, this is completely unbelievable just like you beating a 5.7 300C with a Gen1.. Maybe in those "twisties"

"I have a air intake and exhaust" - Mufflers and a filter dont count.

I however dont think he tried much, especially when you just "left him" at the end of the story.. Oh and this "like I knew mines" makes you sound like a pre-pubescent boy.
 
jtammerine said:
ive raced my friends 300c heritage edition....not pretty lol
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Exactly. Show me on video..some sort of proof. A stock LS (or even one with bolt on mods) going up against a stock 300c Hemi engine from 0-60, 0-100, 30-100. Whatever speed. And show me the LS "leaving the Hemi by several car lengths"..and I'll show you a doctored video. lol

The reasoning in here is insane "Dude...you dont get it..I also smoked a 2009 Vette from 40-90..GM's gearing is terrible."

wtf. hahahaha
 
Ugh. Why is everyone so hung up on hp? The only thing an actual hp number is good for is bragging, or bench racing.

For example:

Installing a higher stall converter. Does it add hp? no. But you sure as hell will see a better timeslip.

It's way more than a simple hp/tq number to figure out how fast a vehicle is.
 
pektel said:
Ugh. Why is everyone so hung up on hp? The only thing an actual hp number is good for is bragging, or bench racing.

For example:

Installing a higher stall converter. Does it add hp? no. But you sure as hell will see a better timeslip.

It's way more than a simple hp/tq number to figure out how fast a vehicle is.
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Blaspheme!;)
 
pektel said:
Ugh. Why is everyone so hung up on hp? The only thing an actual hp number is good for is bragging, or bench racing.

For example:

Installing a higher stall converter. Does it add hp? no. But you sure as hell will see a better timeslip.

It's way more than a simple hp/tq number to figure out how fast a vehicle is.
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Well..you can spin this a variety of ways...hence my list of numerous other factors beyond HP. Ie..Torque. Generally speaking? A car with a LOT more torque and a LOT more HP and weighs not a TON more..will be the faster car.

The list of cars that have significantly more HP and more Torque and are faster than cars with significantly less HP and less torque..is a much longer list than the reverse.

To say HP and torque is ONLY good for benchracing...isnt really an accurate statement.

Old saying "HP numbers sell cars, Torque wins drag racing". ;-)
 
True. I may have over-generalized. But you understand what I was trying to say.

lseguy said:
Generally speaking? A car with a LOT more torque and a LOT more HP and weighs not a TON more..SHOULD be the faster car.
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fixed it for you. ;)
 
pektel said:
True. I may have over-generalized. But you understand what I was trying to say.


Originally Posted by lseguy View Post
Generally speaking? A car with a LOT more torque and a LOT more HP and weighs not a TON more..SHOULD be the faster car.
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fixed it for you. ;)
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The point Im getting at!
 
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