MKS to get TTV6

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Well, I guess it's official. Automotive News is reporting that Ford is making a push into twin turbo engines, including I4s, V6es, and V8s. It also reports that the Lincoln MKS will be the first to get the direct-injected, twin-turbo'd TwinForce V6. Based on other sources, it's going to be a 3.7L pumping out around 350hp.

Say what you want about the driving dynamics of a car you've never driven or the lack of a V8, but I'm thinking even Quik is going to have trouble pitting an LS against one of these MKSes.
 
A TT V8 in a sedan platform (larger sedan) would be ok.......only if it was RWD. I would think of buying one.
 
I don't car if it is twin turboed. I will never buy it if it is FWD. I would buy an AWD car. but I cant stand a powerful front wheel drive vehicle. Tourqe steer sux!!
 
Twin turbos and it only makes 350HP?
A naturally aspirated V6 from Lexus or Mercedes makes over 300HP. TT should be worth more then 50HP!
I bet this engine will cost a hell of a lot.
 
Twin turbos and it only makes 350HP?
A naturally aspirated V6 from Lexus or Mercedes makes over 300HP. TT should be worth more then 50HP!
I bet this engine will cost a hell of a lot.

the difference will be in the torque.
 
Twin turbos and it only makes 350HP?
A naturally aspirated V6 from Lexus or Mercedes makes over 300HP. TT should be worth more then 50HP!
I bet this engine will cost a hell of a lot.
These are only preliminary estimates. Remember that the D35 was "only" rated at ~235 hp when its specs first leaked, and in production trim, it's running ~263hp, and the 5.4 in the GT500 was originally rated at ~450hp, and it's running ~500hp in production trim. Expectations are that the D37 will be running around 300hp naturally aspirated, so I would expect the TwinForce version to be significantly more than 350hp. Come to think of it, I think the TwinForce in the MKR was "rated" at ~400hp...

Edit: According to AutoWeek, the MKR's TwinForce was rated at 450hp: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/FREE/61226012&SearchID=73285839482238

Also, it's important to note that Toyota is publishing its HP ratings based on Premium gas, while Ford's ratings are achieved on Regular. (Not to mention the fact that Toyota has been accused of playing fast and loose with their HP ratings while Ford has been underrating their engines...)

As for the price, if I remember the Lincoln survey correctly, the TTV6 wasn't supposed to cost appreciably more than the Yamaha/Volvo 4.4 V8 they were considering.
 
I hate fwd or fwd based rwd vehicles. Thanks Lincoln.

Well, Lincoln's sales are up 25.4% this June over last year, due to the new FWD/AWD MKZ/MKXs. Seems like not everyone agrees with your sentiment. If Ford can get things right with the Twinforce and their DSG, I think the MKS will be a great sedan. I also hope they keep those wheels from the prototype.
 
i dont really like the wheels but fwd na i will pass on this car, especially when they want to go against the euro', ford always messes up something now they are comming out with alot of horsepower but FWD as before it was RWD with low horses, come on guys get it right before its tooooooo late.

or is it tooo late already for ford.
 
Well, Lincoln's sales are up 25.4% this June over last year, due to the new FWD/AWD MKZ/MKXs. Seems like not everyone agrees with your sentiment. If Ford can get things right with the Twinforce and their DSG, I think the MKS will be a great sedan. I also hope they keep those wheels from the prototype.

Cant argue with you there. I thought the majority of Americans were wanting rwd vehicles again. GM is planning a large product change with many sedans back to RWD. Good for Lincoln on getting sales back up--maybe they will have the cash to make another vehicle that is engaging like the LS.
 
Cant argue with you there. I thought the majority of Americans were wanting rwd vehicles again.
Who knows what the !@#$ the American public wants. As PT Barnum said, nobody ever went broke underestimating the American public.
GM is planning a large product change with many sedans back to RWD.
GM's RWD plans are very much in flux right now. The last report I heard was that the Pontiac G8 and the Camaro were go because they were too far along in the development process to kill, but the rest of the RWD plans have been shelved for now.
Good for Lincoln on getting sales back up--maybe they will have the cash to make another vehicle that is engaging like the LS.
That's certainly the hope...
 
GM's RWD plans are very much in flux right now. The last report I heard was that the Pontiac G8 and the Camaro were go because they were too far along in the development process to kill, but the rest of the RWD plans have been shelved for now.

GM puts brake on rear-drive vehicles


Published April 10, 2007


General Motors has put a hold on future rear-wheel-drive vehicles.

"We've pushed the pause button. It's no longer full speed ahead," Vice Chairman Bob Lutz revealed in an interview.

Two of the most important RWD cars in the works are the Chevy Camaro sports coupe due back late in 2008 and the full-size, RWD replacement for the Chevy Impala sedan for 2009. Both are expected to be huge sellers and contribute major profits to a GM till burdened with IOUs the last few years.

"It's too late to stop Camaro, but anything after that is questionable or on the bubble," said Lutz, noting that also means Camaro derivatives -- along with a big Impala sedan, "if we call it Impala."

The RWD cars, you see, would be larger and heavier than front-wheel-drive cars or are high-performance models.

So it comes down to the matter of fuel economy. Or as Lutz says: "We don't know how to get 30 percent better mileage from" RWD cars.

That 30 percent bogey arises from a proposal by the Bush administration to raise corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards by 4 percent a year so cars would have to average 34 m.p.g. by 2017, up from 27.5 m.p.g. today. On top of that, the Supreme Court ruled last week that the Environmental Protection Agency can regulate carbon dioxide expelled by cars, a gas that contributes to global warming. The EPA doesn't do so now.

"We'll decide on our rear-drive cars when the government decides on CO(-2) levels and CAFE regulations," Lutz said, adding that limiting CO(-2) would increase mileage, too.

"Carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of burning gas and directly proportional to the amount of fuel burned. If we legislate CO(-2) from cars, why not legislate we take one less breath per minute since humans release capricious amounts of CO(-2) each time they exhale?" offered a testy Lutz.

Lutz also points out that higher mileage will come at a price, with the proposal to raise CAFE certain to increase costs by as much as $5,000, which will be added to a car's sticker, an amount most consumers won't be willing to pay. There are no hard numbers for how much CAFE compliance adds to the sticker now.

"Rather than buy new, people would hang onto their old cars. We could eat the $5,000, but that would put us out of business."

Besides, those who see cars as more than just an appliance are eager for the new RWD offerings.

Among other cars affected are a high-performance midsize Pontiac, a replacement for the full-size Buick Lucerne sedan, a compact smaller than the current CTS at Cadillac and possible 300-horsepower versions of the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky roadsters.

"This is very disappointing," noted Erich Merkle, director of forecasting for IRN Inc., in Grand Rapids, Mich. Most of the cars coming are necessary to GM's turnaround as showroom magnets.

"What the public buys makes CAFE work, not what the industry builds," Merkle added. "To improve mileage you change demand, not supply, by raising gas prices through taxes. But no politician is going to do that so they throw the responsibility on the back of the industry."

Lutz also objects to the talk that carmakers can easily raise mileage with a very low investment.

"Academics assure us that for $200 we can get 30 percent better mileage. If anyone can figure out how to do that for $200 -- or even for $1,000 -- I want them in my office today. Show me how to do it and we'll adopt it," he said. "If I could increase mileage by 30 percent for $200, why wouldn't I? What's my motivation not to when a gas-electric hybrid gets 27 percent better mileage and I hope someday to get the cost down to $9,000?"

Others insist that carmakers simply have to sell more small cars, such as the trio of 1-liter concepts that promise 40 m.p.g.-plus that GM unveiled at the New York Auto Show.

"Small-car mileage only counts toward CAFE if you build them here, and you can't build small cars here at a profit," Lutz said, explaining that foreign-made cars would count toward the automaker's import fleet, and its domestic fleet is where GM needs help.
 

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