* speed transmission for Lincoln LS V8

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Hi

Has anyone done this
I know the 5 & 6 speeds are the same size
Please give advice.

John
 
My advice is to google it again and learn that all LSes came with 5 speeds. First gen autos came with the 5R55N. 1st Gen manual V6s came with the Getrag 221. All second gens came with the automatic 5R55S.

My closest understanding of your misunderstanding is that the Jaguar S-type R came with a unique ZF 6-speed.

Or, you want to put the Gen 1 5-speed manual in your V8. My advice is: don't. You will need a custom adapter plate since the V6 and V8 have different bolt patterns, custom routing and mounting of all clutch accessories, and, most importantly, the V8 will simply grenade the transmission. The 221 was borderline incompetent for the V6's power.

You really want a manual? Get a few thousand dollars and throw it at a trans from a 2005-2009 Mustang
 
LSFrank said:
My advice is to google it again and learn that all LSes came with 5 speeds. First gen autos came with the 5R55N. 1st Gen manual V6s came with the Getrag 221. All second gens came with the automatic 5R55S.

My closest understanding of your misunderstanding is that the Jaguar S-type R came with a unique ZF 6-speed.

Or, you want to put the Gen 1 5-speed manual in your V8. My advice is: don't. You will need a custom adapter plate since the V6 and V8 have different bolt patterns, custom routing and mounting of all clutch accessories, and, most importantly, the V8 will simply grenade the transmission. The 221 was borderline incompetent for the V6's power.

You really want a manual? Get a few thousand dollars and throw it at a trans from a 2005-2009 Mustang
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...and engine
 
because a Tremec T56 magnum on a stock 3.9 would just be worthless and silly, it is way too overkill and too heavy duty that it could actually hurt performance verses an lighter duty manual trans better suited to the output levels of the 3.9...

would you not agree to this?






a T56 is a pretty heavy duty transmission, easily handling up to 700ftlbs of torque in stock form, the 3.9 does not NEED a T56.

would you not agree that it would be nice if the LS came with a motor that would actually require a transmission built with such testicular fortitude?






if the motor is so great in stock form, why have you working to upgrade it so much? when you add twin snails to it, then wouldn't you be able to make enough power to actually need a magnum or similar trans if you wanted a manual? but that is not being negative right?
 
My shops have 2 T56 of mine that are freshly rebuilt one is going into my Group 44 TR8 google Lanocha racing to see a finished one. Mine will be metalic Jaguar British racing green. What I realy want is the new 8 speed as I live in Europe. Clearly from what you say it is not practical. I will look into it more. Mymachine shop has done wonders for me before but we will see if they say I am crazy. Yes I know I have a 5R55N and I already talked to a number of trany shops but I also know the AJ V8 uses the 6R80 so it can be done. I have run on the street Jim Wolfs first high high dollar 4 wheel steering 300zx at 17lbs of boost. 600HP & 700HP camaros. many corvettes all with big blocks modified. I even had a purple 426 Hemi I bought for $1800 and sold 2 months later for $2,200 I LIKE CARS I have pete ardeema set up for SBC and have talked to him about also doing an over head cam for my 5.8 liter Rover aluminum (Buick 215) that I have a tall block for. 1/2 an inch taller from down under ( I have 2 P76 blocks) and original water cooled M112 supercharger set up ( I own 2 sets) I think there were only 12 made.
 
Are you saying that the power brakes on a Lincoln LS are vacuum powered? 'Hydro-boost' is mis-named since 'hydro' refers to water. But the more appropriate name, 'Hydra-boost', referring to hydraulic assist, seems to be much in evidence on MY LS. Is yours different?

And to 1Loud, my comment is focused on the fact that you rarely have anything positive to say. Practically every comment from you is 'dissing' something. Lighten-up, please!

KS
 
cammerfe said:
Are you saying that the power brakes on a Lincoln LS are vacuum powered? 'Hydro-boost' is mis-named since 'hydro' refers to water. But the more appropriate name, 'Hydra-boost', referring to hydraulic assist, seems to be much in evidence on MY LS. Is yours different?...
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Yes, my both of mine are vacuum, as are every other LS I've ever seen. The LS service manuals only show vacuum assist, and only vacuum boosters are listed as replacement parts. I'll be blunt. You're full of it on this.
(Post a picture to prove me wrong!)
 
joegr said:
Yes, my both of mine are vacuum, as are every other LS I've ever seen. The LS service manuals only show vacuum assist, and only vacuum boosters are listed as replacement parts. I'll be blunt. You're full of it on this.
(Post a picture to prove me wrong!)
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I looked for it on mine too Joe and it is just vacuum. The only thing I can think is there may have been a mixup in terms relating to the electronic brake assist.
 
Robot said:
there may have been a mixup in terms
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pretty much...

while sure the main part of the braking system is full of fluid and therefore hydraulic based, the assist part of the system is all vacuum just like the vast majority of cars on the road

just like when the engine is not running, and there is no vacuum in the booster, the brakes are hard as hell to push when it is just the hydraulic system alone





its not a hydra-boosted system (the boost doesn't come from the hydraulic fluid) the appropriate name would be a "vacuum assisted hydraulic system"
 
The problem is that there really are hydroboost systems (and some Lincolns used them in the past), but they are still pretty rare (for cars), and the LS never used one.
 
The vacuum diaphragm on most vacuum-assisted brake systems is a 7-12 inch diameter construct setting on the firewall where the linkage goes through. Where is it on a Lincoln LS?

KS
 
cammerfe said:
The vacuum diaphragm on most vacuum-assisted brake systems is a 7-12 inch diameter construct setting on the firewall where the linkage goes through. Where is it on a Lincoln LS?

KS
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Dude, seriously go out to your garage and open your hood (just like I just did, to make sure I've havent been on drugs for the last three days and my life is a lie...) its right there exatly as you describe it would be, just like every single car that I have owned since I was old enough to drive.



it seriously is a huge ass black circle hiding behind the fluid container, you cant miss it, even if your are only using the OEM under hood light...
 
cammerfe said:
The vacuum diaphragm on most vacuum-assisted brake systems is a 7-12 inch diameter construct setting on the firewall where the linkage goes through. Where is it on a Lincoln LS?

KS
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Same place, right behind the master cylinder.

Here's a picture from the web. You can see the upper left quarter of it.
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Here's a service manual link showing the vacuum booster.
http://deneau.info/ls/s6x~us~en~file=s6x67003.htm~gen~ref.htm

Here's a link showing the master cylinder attached to the vacuum booster.
http://deneau.info/ls/s6x~us~en~file=s6x66008.htm~gen~ref.htm

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it can clearly be seen in this picture, from the right edge of the yellow on the oil fill over to the brake fluid reservoir.

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