McCain pick - Sarah Palin merged thread?????

Fair enough. 13 months in charge of a training unit.

But - wasnt Obama in charge of the Harvard Law Review? I guess you could also count the last year and a half running a 100 million+, 500+ employee organization (his campaign)

Fact is - NONE of the Pres or VP candidates have any significant executive experience.
So running for president qualifies you to be president? Haha. I can see the next McCain ad:

Barack Obama claims that running his campaign and supervising 300 staffers is enough executive experience to qualify him to be President. If that's true, then I should be King of the WORLD!

I'm John McCain, and I approve this message.
 
Um, What executive experience do you think McCain had in the military?

I never said he had executive experience from the military; I said he had leadership experience that served as effective executive experience, but wasn't a substitute for actual executive experience; though it is much better then no executive or leadership experience as in the case of Obama or Biden.

I think you know better then to suggest that you don't learn leadership skills in the military. He was also very aware that there are consequences to his decisions due to his military training and POW experience. This as opposed to no sense of responsibility in their decisions from Obama and Biden.

Again, in this election, a little executive experience (effectively or formally) goes a long way.
 
Fact is - NONE of the Pres or VP candidates have any significant executive experience.

Exactly! So a little goes a long way. And McCain/Palin have much more executive experience then Obama/Biden. Of what executive experience there is between the two camps, the vast majority is in the McCain camp.

You can try to downplay that all you want, but you can't change that fact...
 
Taken from the Barack Obama website. Emphasis in blue italics is mine.

Barack Obama was raised by a single mother and his grandparents. (Dad was history. Mom liked to sleep around).

They didn't have much money, but they taught him values from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. (Obama criticizes his upbringing and calls it racially biased).

He took out loans to put himself through school. (While he was still in school, a billionaire Iraqi businessman advanced him money to write a book) After college, he worked for Christian churches in Chicago, helping communities devastated when steel plants closed.

Obama turned down lucrative job offers after law school to return to Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive. (Obama’s campaign paid more than $800,000 to CSI, an offshoot of ACORN. CSI and ACORN are located in the same building on New Orleans and three directors of CSI are top leaders of ACORN.)

He joined a small law firm, taught constitutional law and, guided by his Christian faith, stayed active in his community. (Obama spent 4 years as the chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge CAC which Obama uses to enhance his track record as a reformer. Trying to change inner city Chicago schools in an attempt to bring Hope and Change, he failed miserably).

Obama and his wife Michelle are proud parents of two daughters, Sasha and Malia. (Obama prays that his daughters are never burdened with a child.)

[snip]
EARLY YEARS
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. (That’s the narrative. Still unsubstantiated to this day. No hospital records. No independently certified birth certificate). [snip]

His mother was a student there, and his father had won a scholarship that allowed him to leave Kenya and pursue his dreams in America. (Barack’s father had impregnated a minor, and thus Barack was born).
Barack's father eventually returned to Kenya, (Stanley Ann, Barack’s mother, divorced Barack senior after finding out he was already married to a woman in Kenya) and Barack grew up with his mother in Hawaii, and for a few years in Indonesia (where Obama took the last name of his step-father. Iin order to be enrolled in public schooling, all Indonesian students hwere required to carry government identity cards, which would include the student’s legal name. In the public school, students were taught to read and recite the Koran. Obama can to this day recite the Quran in flawless Arabic). (http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/did-obama-recite-quran-al-baqara-the-cow/)

Later, he moved to New York, where he graduated from Columbia University in 1983. (His records are sealed)

THE COLLEGE YEARS
Remembering the values of empathy and service that his mother taught him, Barack put law school and corporate life on hold after college and moved to Chicago in 1985, where he became a community organizer with a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment. (His history with the Annenberg group was a huge failure.) http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/2008/07/obamas-failed-housing-project-video.html

[snip]
He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 1991, (his records are sealed) where he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. (he has never published a paper and his records are sealed)

Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law. Finally, his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate, where he served for eight years. (William Ayers, the terrorist starts Obama’s campaign in Ayers living room. Won uncontested as he got all other candidates disqualified).

In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate. (Republican candidate was brought down by dirty Chicago politics and Obama basically ran unopposed.)

POLITICAL CAREER
[Snip]

(Served less than ½ a year before running for President. Passed no significant legislation.)
 
This is Obama own life story as posted on his website. So he claims to be runniung every aspect of his 1500 member campaign. Therefore, one can assume he approved this section of the website for public consumption.
 
This is Obama own life story as posted on his website. So he claims to be runniung every aspect of his 1500 member campaign. Therefore, one can assume he approved this section of the website for public consumption.
I found this post:

Barack Obama: 2500 campaign staffers, ridiculous amounts of money, ridiculous amounts of MSM buttkissery, a country thought to be trending left, and he barely beats Hillary (you have to use scientific notation to numerically express her nagatives), and is basically polling in a dead-heat with the Maverick (who is barely tolerated by half the GOP)?

That’s your experience, Barry?

innominatus on September 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM
:bowrofl:
 
One thing I am curious about --

What are you all going to do when Obama wins? (Joey Ducks)
 
What exactly does "qualified" to be President mean?

I would assert that "qualified" in the case of a Presidential candidate is largely based upon public perception, not hard and fast qualities. According the the Constitution, you are "qualified" to be President if you are a natural born citizen at least 35 years of age. The Supreme Court has never taken a case to answer the question of whether someone is "qualified" for the office. Thus, as a democratic society we have long held fast to the notion that the electorate can select a "qualified" President on its own - without establishing rules about who is actually "qualified."

With this in mind, I would defer to what the Palin pick has done to the perception of the two tickets in the minds of the voters (rather than debate if 2 years gubernatorial experience trumps Obama):

McCain-Palin leading Obama-Biden
The latest Zogby Poll
If Palin is so "unqualified," shouldn't McCain's position in the polls have tanked?

Gallup Summary Analysis of the Key Issues:"
"9. Top voter issue this year is the economy. Gas prices, Iraq, healthcare, and terrorism remain important. Obama's perceived strengths: domestic issues, compassion, empathy, bringing about change. McCain's perceived strengths: experience, international issues, terrorism, viewed as capable commander in chief, although in the days after the Democratic convention Obama gained ground vis-a-vis McCain on several of these. A continuing uptick in consumer confidence, downward drift in gas prices, and increase in perceived success in Iraq could benefit McCain."

So with the "economy" as the #1 issue, gas and oil prices on the decline, increased consumer confidence, and the undeniable success that we have been having in Iraq recently, McCain stands to benefit greatly. Adding a VP candidate to the ticket like Palin (pro-life, pro tax-cut, pro ANWR, ethics reformer, anti-corruption, etc.) can only increase the perception that McCain is more qualified than Obama - not decrease it.

So let's all stop getting caught up in debating actual qualities and what we "perceive" as making a candidate more "qualified" because ultimately it doesn't matter. What matters is what the electorate perceives... So far the perception is good for McCain.
 
Daily Kos actually has a Palin Candidacy Death Watch!

They actually think it is likely that she will be forced to drop out due to "scandals" in her past. Talk about "making a mountain out of a molehill"...
 
I'm not making this stuff up, her association with the Pentecostal church has been all over EVERY news network INCLUDING Fox. This is an extremist church that subscribes to loony beliefs and practices including a belief that humans and dinosaurs co-existed at one time and that the Earth appeared in its present state, out of nowhere, in the year six thousand years ago. They let kids handle rattlesnakes for God's sake! Pentecostals are the most extreme fundamentalist sect of Christianity and certainly not representative of mainline Christians. Palin is off her rocker to associate with these nutbags.

The discredited Jimmy Swaggert, well known prostitution customer who thought Ozzy Ozbourne was sent to earth to "accept Lucifer as their savior and/or commit suicide" was a Pentecostal minister. He also criticized the genre of rock music as "the new pornography." Yeahhhh Jimmy knew a lot about pornography! :lol:

Convicted felon and Praise the Lord (ROFLMAO) Jim Bakker was a Pentecostal televangelist.

He was convicted on eight counts of mail fraud fifteen counts of wire fraud , and one count of conspiracy. Found guilty on all 24 counts, Bakker began serving a 45 year sentence (reduced to 18 years) in a federal prision in addition to a half million dollar fine. (Baker was granted parole). Lovely religious group that Palin associates with.

McCain made his ticket a laughing stock. I'm looking forward to President Obama taking office.
Your rant in regard to Pentecostal thought and practice makes clear that you think of Pentecostals as a denomination. In fact, pentecostal is a generic term suggesting one small part of their doctrine. There are more than a hundred and quite possibly as many as a thousand denominations that fall within that umbrella. Some may be rather far out but your gleeful attempt to paint with such a broad brush suggests great hostility. Why so angry? What are you afraid of?
KS

Liberals---Those who have no problem knowing what's best for me when they don't even know me.
 
Democrats release Sarah Palin's social security number.

The Politico has received an opposition research file from the Alaska Democrats. You can read it in PDF here.

In the file, the Democrats have released Sarah Palin's social security number minus the last four digits. Also tied to the information are her various home addresses.

Back in 2005, Democrats used Michael Steele's social security number to get his credit record.

It is atrocious that the Democrats would not only seek out Sarah Palin's social security number, but release it in opposition research to the press.

We need to know who did this. We also need to know what happened. We also need to know if it was used to bolster the Democrats' opposition research.

When it happened to Michael Steele, it turns out the Democrats knew about it and did nothing.

They cannot not take action now.
 
It seems that the claims that Palin is against contraception and only supports abstinence are actually a straw-man mischaracterization.

from the Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6, 2006:
Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education and her child. She is pro-contraception and said she's a member of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life. "I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of every human life," she said.
 
It looks like the Wired article that Maxb49 cited as proof for her supporting creationism being part of the curriculum was actually cherry picking quotes from her to mischaracterize her view...

Here is the original article that Wired used for the quote by Palin.

In fact, if the Wired article were not simply a bias smear piece, but instead an honest, objective peice of journalism, it would have pointed out a few other excerpts from the article:

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.
“I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.

So, she thinks that alternative views should be allowed to be discussed. That is much different then wanting it added to the curriculum...

Here is some other info from the article...

Palin said she thought there was value in discussing alternatives.
“It’s OK to let kids know that there are theories out there,” she said in the interview. “They gain information just by being in a discussion.”
That was how she was brought up, she said. Her father was a public school science teacher.
“My dad did talk a lot about his theories of evolution,” she said. “He would show us fossils and say, ‘How old do you think these are?’”
 
My 2 cents worth after reading this thread (been absent a few days):

1) JFK had small children while in office as well. He did okay.

2) There are a small number of churches that practice snake handling. Palin's church doesn't practice this.

3) Speaking in tongues is a controversial topic among Christians. But I fail to see how this religious belief should disqualify her.

4) Why does the state you live in make such a big deal to people? Palin didn't move somewhere else for political gain (Hillary Clinton). She worked her way up to the highest office in her state. What's higher than that besides the President and VP? I'm glad Alaska is part of the United States of America. The population of the state shouldn't matter. Arkansas is a relatively sparsley populated state as well, yet one of it's governors won the presidency recently (historically speaking). Biden is a Senator from Deleware (population ~850,000). So what?
 
You know your girl's days are numbered but you probably never expected a backlash of any sort against your candidate. :rolleyes: [/B]
It's not out of the realm of possibility that her "days are numbered" as you put it. I'm a realist. But to suggest that a backlash was unexpected is ridiculous. This is politics. I will note that I have never seen such a widespread political hit job escalate so quickly to unprecedented levels. This presidential race is truly one for the record books, and not all of it good.
 
The Kennedy comparison is fantastic K-BOB!

I'm passing it along to the RNC so it hits the talking points group.
 
Sarah Palin WOWs RNC and Nation with Speech

Palin Casts Herself as Washington Outsider, Jabs at Obama

by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 3, 2008


ST. PAUL — Sarah Palin thrashed Barack Obama Wednesday as an empty suit whose campaign themes of “hope” and “change” are better suited to describe her Republican running mate, John McCain, a man, she said, who has spent a career in service to his country.

Palin, who came out of the blue to steal the spotlight at the Republican National Convention Wednesday, took a very public swat at her critics, using her headlining speech to scold the media for questioning her credentials and try to prove she has the policy chops to play with Washington insiders.

She also described McCain in glowing terms as a man who transcends politics and is a proven reformer.

“If character is the measure in this election, and hope the theme, and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States,” Palin said.

“Here’s how I look at the choice Americans face in this election: In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers, and then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change,” she said.

The first-term Alaska governor introduced herself to voters as a small-town Washington outsider and pitched that as an asset.

“I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these last few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone,” she said. “But … here’s a little news flash for those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion — I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country.”

She also jabbed at Obama for telling California donors during the Democratic primary that small-town voters “cling” to things like religion and guns out of bitterness.

“We prefer candidates who don’t talk about us one way in Scranton and the other way in San Francisco,” she said.

Defending her record as a “chief executive” in Alaska, she teased Obama for describing himself as a “community organizer” before joining the Illinois senate and warned, “The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery.”

“I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town,” she said. “Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess, I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities.”

Palin would be the first female vice presidential nominee on the Republican ticket, and if elected the first female vice president.

She spoke Wednesday just two hours before McCain was expected to be nominated as the Republican candidate for president. She took the stage to thunderous applause, as supporters held up signs that said “Palin Power” and “Hockey Moms 4 Palin.”
 
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Fred Thompson, the Hollywood actor and former Tennessee senator, had already told delegates: "She is the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field dress a moose ... with the possible exception of Teddy Roosevelt."
 

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