F*ck you walmart
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not a single item sold at walmart is made in America
Some of the stuff is. (I've got a tire pump from there that says made in USA on it)
And if the U.S. wasn't so hostile to business, it would have been easier for American manufacturers to compete in the global economy.
We exported the jobs that make the stuff Walmart sells so we also export most of the profit money to China where they get to enjoy the respending factor which can be as high as 10.
Some of the money they lend back to us plus interest to keep the golden goose alive and for now help us misfund our selfishly irresponsible spend more than you take in handout economics
They get stronger while we get drained weaker paying the vig and eventually they won't need us or care about us anymore.
We squander our money on handouts to people (40-50% of the population pay no fed income tax and get benifits of some sort) instead of investing more of it in infrastructure and to get a return.
Personally I don't buy much from Walmart only because it's not convenient where the closest one is located but I have bought computers, cameras and flat screen tvs over the years due to price and availability.
Then there's the humorous http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ site
where we get to meet some of the slobs and other humorously dressed people who shop there
Some of the money they lend back to us plus interest to keep the golden goose alive and for now help us misfund our selfishly irresponsible spend more than you take in handout economics
They get stronger while we get drained weaker paying the vig and eventually they won't need us or care about us anymore.
We squander our money on handouts to people (40-50% of the population pay no fed income tax and get benifits of some sort) instead of investing more of it in infrastructure and to get a return.
Personally I don't buy much from Walmart only because it's not convenient where the closest one is located but I have bought computers, cameras and flat screen tvs over the years due to price and availability.
Then there's the humorous http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ site
where we get to meet some of the slobs and other humorously dressed people who shop there
PetesSweets86
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You guys just need to evolve and buy products made in America to help produce and maintain jobs. Stop monkeying around and think "cheaper is better" if you think that way I hope you're driving a toyota, kia, honda. No? Then it's your own ungodly life where you believe that the exploitation/ abuse of a stores' clients/workers. You believe our society should be outsourced just to save a few bucks. I'm sure we can find someone from another coutry to replace your jobs, right? I know a few Mexicans who'll do your jobs I'm sure, just let me call your supervisor and let him or her know.
See I couldn't care less about Walmart as I've never been there, never plan to (as I buy organic and locally grown foods) and my job would never be affected by outsourcing. I instead post this because I worry for others sake, as would a good Christian would do? Or am I the satanic, athiest, one who doesn't turn a blind eye to a problem that hurts my own neighbors and them blame on it as "well, god work in mysterious ways"
See I couldn't care less about Walmart as I've never been there, never plan to (as I buy organic and locally grown foods) and my job would never be affected by outsourcing. I instead post this because I worry for others sake, as would a good Christian would do? Or am I the satanic, athiest, one who doesn't turn a blind eye to a problem that hurts my own neighbors and them blame on it as "well, god work in mysterious ways"
Pete, you're a very ignorant person.
You watch propaganda videos, get all fired up, and instead of actually going out and doing some research of your own, you go one a three day mini-crusade, lecturing other people your new found "wisdom."
Go learn something about economics before you even attempt to lecture anyone on this issue.
And I'd also probably have a car that was built by Honda in Ohio or Toyota in Alabama, Texas, California, or one of their other domestic plants.
Stop with the emotional responses that are based on your poorly formed impressions.
The employees are not abused or exploited, you are being a "useful idiot."
THINK FIRST, POST LATER.
If you want to discuss this, then do so like a rational adult.
Stop with the idiotic emotional appeals and demagoguery.
You watch propaganda videos, get all fired up, and instead of actually going out and doing some research of your own, you go one a three day mini-crusade, lecturing other people your new found "wisdom."
Go learn something about economics before you even attempt to lecture anyone on this issue.
The manufacturing jobs are LEAVING America largely because it's a HOSTILE environment to do business. The problem isn't that consumer want to maximize the buying power of their dollar, and it's ignorant to condemn consumers on the verge of a depression, for doing so.
If I'd bought a Honda or Toyota instead of a Lincoln, my cost of ownership would have been lower, the depreciation would have been less, and I'd spend a hell of a lot less in fuel.
And I'd also probably have a car that was built by Honda in Ohio or Toyota in Alabama, Texas, California, or one of their other domestic plants.
Stop with the emotional responses that are based on your poorly formed impressions.
This is a false claim, stop repeating it.
The employees are not abused or exploited, you are being a "useful idiot."
This has nothing to do with religion. Your in-eloquent attempt to weave it into the discussion is embarrassing.
No, you're just the simpleton who is all fired up after watching a propaganda hit film designed to demonize a large company that had remained independent of the unions and donating large sums of money to the political system.
You've posted another moronic flow of your conscience.
THINK FIRST, POST LATER.
If you want to discuss this, then do so like a rational adult.
Stop with the idiotic emotional appeals and demagoguery.
PetesSweets86
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Tisk Tisk Tisk, I had information before the video. I'm using the video as a reference :-D
Plus do you know anybody, any friend who works for the company?
As for outsourcing...you think Other countries are less hostile? There's riots that happen almost daily in India where the people cause up to MILLIONS in damages. Companies just don't want to pay an American salary because Americans tend to know the value of their own dollar! In Bangladesh the women who sew the clothes Walmart sells get only $.14 per hour. Would you enjoy working for that much? Or how about the workers in China whom are making about 3 dollars a day working 7 days per week because if they don't do it, they'll be fired and on the streets. China aleady has a bad population problem, same with America. If the only jobs available are those you need PLENTY of background/education or places that don't need any of that but will pay you less than minimum wage....which could you take if you are desperate and have no money for education?
You sir FAIL, go back to church! You heretic!
Plus do you know anybody, any friend who works for the company?
As for outsourcing...you think Other countries are less hostile? There's riots that happen almost daily in India where the people cause up to MILLIONS in damages. Companies just don't want to pay an American salary because Americans tend to know the value of their own dollar! In Bangladesh the women who sew the clothes Walmart sells get only $.14 per hour. Would you enjoy working for that much? Or how about the workers in China whom are making about 3 dollars a day working 7 days per week because if they don't do it, they'll be fired and on the streets. China aleady has a bad population problem, same with America. If the only jobs available are those you need PLENTY of background/education or places that don't need any of that but will pay you less than minimum wage....which could you take if you are desperate and have no money for education?
You sir FAIL, go back to church! You heretic!
cammerfe
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Pete, you often have good ideas to offer, but in this case you're making yourself look silly
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This is a very true statement! On the other hand, you could get rid of the Lincoln for say, a new Chevy and find that it is assembled in Mexico and actually has less USA content than an American built Toyota!
Did you get it from other capitalism hating granola Marxists at the Granary?
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I have known people who worked there. In fact, I referenced them earlier in the thread.
Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about?
You're speaking in wild generalities.
"Hostile to business" isn't a term that has to do with street level violence. It has to do with the tax and regulation structure that is in place. The United States is increasingly HOSTILE to business, particularly to manufacturing.
Here is something to read:
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/02...mpetitiveness-with-high-corporate-tax-burden/
For the sake of discussion, let's just assume your numbers are accurate.
Would I enjoy working for .14/hr, of course not, but I don't live in Bangladesh. That 14 cents an hour in a 2nd or 3rd world country goes very far, that's why there's so much competition for the jobs over there. That's called industrialization.
Is your point that we should be forced to pay her $30,000 US a year?
Or that she shouldn't be forced to continue a life of subsistence living on a farm and not take an industrial job and afford to better her family, despite possibly long hours?
Pete, you clearly don't understand the first thing about how complicated the Chinese system is, so don't use that as an example.
We don't have a "population problem" in the United States, and to even make that false claim in a relation to China's population that exceed 1.4 BILLION people is ridiculous.
China is a communist country, there are issues of slave labor commanded by the state. At the same rate, there are hundreds of millions of people living in starvation levels of poverty outside the cities.
Our trading policies with China are extremely political (Washington, D.C) and, based on everything you've said, far over your head. If you'd like to learn more about it, we can all talk about it...
It's a complex issue without involving religion in it.
The jobs are gone for good and in exchange we get goods that are cheaper than those that would be made in america as a consolation prize.
Protected markets mean higher prices for which there is no national will to support.
Healthcare seems to be a growing field due to an aging population and the obesity epidemic but that hardly reflects well on our fitness as a country and doesn't add anything to the economy only helping to maintain it.
Clerk type jobs have always been low paying and are being replaced by computers and automation in other industries.
The jobs are gone for good and in exchange we get goods that are cheaper than those that would be made in america as a consolation prize.
Protected markets mean higher prices for which there is no national will to support.
Healthcare seems to be a growing field due to an aging population and the obesity epidemic but that hardly reflects well on our fitness as a country and doesn't add anything to the economy only helping to maintain it.
Clerk type jobs have always been low paying and are being replaced by computers and automation in other industries.
Bob Hubbard
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Pete, If I don't shop at Walmart, what store would you suggest I shop at that doesn't get their products from a foreign nation?
I think you will be hard pressed to come up with one.
Bob.
I think you will be hard pressed to come up with one.
Bob.
Tiltedhalo
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Dam people take a look around you in this country, we did this to ourselves. One day you are going to wake up to the united states socialist republic and wonder how the hell it happened. One of my favorite quotes from Star Wars, " and this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause". Its a direct reflection of today's political arena.
US companies outsource because of cost, labor, supply costs, insurance and so on, Unions had there place 80 years ago, but in a day and age of federalized labor practices they have become corrupt entities that drive up wages to insane levels, to levels most companies can not deal with. For example, my brother with a high school education, works a factory job, he pushes a button on a machine after he loads a piece of stock and counts the parts that come out. Last year he made 62K for a job you could train a monkey to do. Can you imagine why US companies outsource????
And in turn jobs that no body in this country can live without get paid crap.
I have to stop no or I will go on and on.............
US companies outsource because of cost, labor, supply costs, insurance and so on, Unions had there place 80 years ago, but in a day and age of federalized labor practices they have become corrupt entities that drive up wages to insane levels, to levels most companies can not deal with. For example, my brother with a high school education, works a factory job, he pushes a button on a machine after he loads a piece of stock and counts the parts that come out. Last year he made 62K for a job you could train a monkey to do. Can you imagine why US companies outsource????
And in turn jobs that no body in this country can live without get paid crap.
I have to stop no or I will go on and on.............
PetesSweets86
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^^^ +1
Although, when you take into account the amount of write - offs American corporations receive, the tax burden to corporations is actually around 27%, only a couple points above average, and in comparison to other G8 and BRIC countries we are right in the middle for corporate tax burden...
There are other costs - the unions have gotten out of control, almost the entire rest of the world has government sponsored health care, our health care costs add significantly to the bottom line, litigation costs are quite high here, and the American way of life isn't cheap...
We need to sell innovation and quality - our 'smarts' are what sets us apart... get back to innovation - green technology, communication technology, computing technology, what we did well in the 90s we can recapture and do well in the 'teens'. There will always be someone willing to make it cheaper - what we need to sell is that 'no one can build it like Americans', 'no one can invent it like Americans', not just 'no one can buy it like Americans'.
Kevin O'Connell
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Sanctimonious Outrage Huh?
There's nothing sanctimonious about my outrage pal. Just keep on allowing the corporate greed heads at Ballmart to build their eyesore superstores, dump their abandoned buildings in your community, run off all the small biz that has something other than the cookie cutter items Ballmart carries, keep on making your town a one employer sh*thole whose residents HAVE to use food stamps and county health systems to get by on what Ballmart pays them. Oh, and the "get another job or move away" answer doesn't work cause they don't have any money!
As far as market economies go- I AM a small biz owner that works with major corporations that supply Ballmart.I see the effects of international policies, trade restrictions, tarrifs, supply and demand pressures first person daily. I do my own marketing, my own biz developement, my own research, develope my own new products, and have a growing biz- in this economy. By the way, my company's labor rate to our customers for our expertise is over $100/hr- what's yours? So I know market economies from the inside on a practical basis and have done so for 30 years.
So I'll stick to the original sentiment of the title of this thread-F*ck you walmart.
You want to make an arguement for Walmart- try keeping it to the facts instead of smart ass comments. Sanctimonious outrage my B*ll-bag!
There's nothing sanctimonious about my outrage pal. Just keep on allowing the corporate greed heads at Ballmart to build their eyesore superstores, dump their abandoned buildings in your community, run off all the small biz that has something other than the cookie cutter items Ballmart carries, keep on making your town a one employer sh*thole whose residents HAVE to use food stamps and county health systems to get by on what Ballmart pays them. Oh, and the "get another job or move away" answer doesn't work cause they don't have any money!
As far as market economies go- I AM a small biz owner that works with major corporations that supply Ballmart.I see the effects of international policies, trade restrictions, tarrifs, supply and demand pressures first person daily. I do my own marketing, my own biz developement, my own research, develope my own new products, and have a growing biz- in this economy. By the way, my company's labor rate to our customers for our expertise is over $100/hr- what's yours? So I know market economies from the inside on a practical basis and have done so for 30 years.
So I'll stick to the original sentiment of the title of this thread-F*ck you walmart.
You want to make an arguement for Walmart- try keeping it to the facts instead of smart ass comments. Sanctimonious outrage my B*ll-bag!
cammerfe
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WOW, Kevin---
Did you ever tell them!!!
KS
Did you ever tell them!!!
KS
Maybe you should heed your own advice.
Cherry picked "facts" and massive illogical leaps do not make a coherent (let alone reasonable) argument.
Your outrage overwhelms your argument anyhow. Even if you made a logical argument, your irrational outrage would lead most people to dismiss your argument.
PetesSweets86
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WOOT! I'm gonna buy you a stripper!
Bob Hubbard
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Kevin O'Connell
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Illogical leaps and cherry-picked facts
Shagdrum(whatever that is), just because you can't refute my "cherry-picked facts", doesn't mean I'm not right. Just go on and keep defending these greedheads- hopefully you're getting some kind of kickback from them to buy your subservience. Comfy on your knees, is it?
The only "outrage" here is watching buyers, suppliers, vendors, customers kneeling and bobbing in front of almighty Ballmart. I say stand up and kick 'em right in the nuts!
Ship all kudos and strippers to me at 1602 N. Grand, Pittsburg, KS, 66762.
P.S.- I haven't bought anything at Ballmart this year!
Shagdrum(whatever that is), just because you can't refute my "cherry-picked facts", doesn't mean I'm not right. Just go on and keep defending these greedheads- hopefully you're getting some kind of kickback from them to buy your subservience. Comfy on your knees, is it?
The only "outrage" here is watching buyers, suppliers, vendors, customers kneeling and bobbing in front of almighty Ballmart. I say stand up and kick 'em right in the nuts!
Ship all kudos and strippers to me at 1602 N. Grand, Pittsburg, KS, 66762.
P.S.- I haven't bought anything at Ballmart this year!
Tiltedhalo
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Do not take me wrong Wal*Mart is a corrupt entity period. Sam Walton was a shrewd business man he understood what it took to make employees go above and beyond, by making them feel part of something more then a job. I met Mr. Walton shortly before he passed when I was a Support Director my first year with the company. He had an uncanny way of making the most insignificant employee feel important.
I went on to become an assistant manager, a co-manager, then a store manager. I did things for Walmart that I am not proud of, but you have to look at the big picture. Is Walmart any different then any other retailer? there wage scales are inline with the rest of the industry. They get blasted because of there size, nobody picks on the little grocery store that hires only part time and pays minimum wage, but Walmart stands in the spot light with 1.4 million employees.
Yes they do bad bad things, shorting pay, trimming off overtime, abuse ect......
And yes Walmart should be held at a higher standard because they set the pace for an entire industry world wide.
I tried to be a good manager and finally lost my job because of it after 14 years. I ran an extremely profitable box, with happy and well payed hourly associates, but I believe I was an exception to a rule when you have such a large scale management team your not always going to get the cream of the crop and scare tactics make people do bad things, then bad things become commonplace and are ignored as a means to an end.
I went on to become an assistant manager, a co-manager, then a store manager. I did things for Walmart that I am not proud of, but you have to look at the big picture. Is Walmart any different then any other retailer? there wage scales are inline with the rest of the industry. They get blasted because of there size, nobody picks on the little grocery store that hires only part time and pays minimum wage, but Walmart stands in the spot light with 1.4 million employees.
Yes they do bad bad things, shorting pay, trimming off overtime, abuse ect......
And yes Walmart should be held at a higher standard because they set the pace for an entire industry world wide.
I tried to be a good manager and finally lost my job because of it after 14 years. I ran an extremely profitable box, with happy and well payed hourly associates, but I believe I was an exception to a rule when you have such a large scale management team your not always going to get the cream of the crop and scare tactics make people do bad things, then bad things become commonplace and are ignored as a means to an end.
ford nut
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Good thread PetesSweets86, its nice to see you post something besides demots.
Just ignore cornholio.
He likes to call anyone who disagrees with him ignorant.
Walmart beats every penny they can out of manufacturing,I have seen it first hand.
Sure you can buy a product for less money but it comes at a cost.
It comes down to cost of labor.
Less being produced here means fewer jobs.
It simple math.
Here is a read for you.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html
Just ignore cornholio.
He likes to call anyone who disagrees with him ignorant.
Walmart beats every penny they can out of manufacturing,I have seen it first hand.
Sure you can buy a product for less money but it comes at a cost.
It comes down to cost of labor.
Less being produced here means fewer jobs.
It simple math.
Here is a read for you.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html
PetesSweets86
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nothing to say that walmart is different from many other employers. There are quite many that all in line but how many other bussiness' close down MANY other stores in a community just because they are corrupt?
PetesSweets86
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Not many but at least other grocieries have MANY products made in America. The more Organic you go, typically it's in America. Now I shop half my food at the farmers markets around here....so I'm not used to other retailers beyond whole foods and costco. Costco has great deals because it's bulk/wholesale and treats it's employers WAYYYYYY better than Walmart ever could.
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