southern il mark8!!!!

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Hi everyone my Names Chris and I've came into possession of a 95 mark8..
I love the luxury yet sports feel of it. Here are some stats I'm my car and the past month I've owned it...

111k on car motor and trans...
Cut off muffler, with hole in cat.
A weird shutter like it was missibg.
Horrible clear coat cancer.
But mint condition interior.

What I've fixed.
Magnaflow mufflers with Chrome tips
Fixed the cat till I get my headers and high flow cats
All new plugs. Wait I lied here's where the story gets interesting one plug thread had been stripped out and the plug wire and boot was fired and my cars been just dumping raw fuel into that cyl. Awesome huh..

Now my question is since I have a npi motor can I upgrade to the pi heads and intake since my pass head needs rethreaded?? Or what are some other options.


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OH and BTW walked away with this car for 1300 bucks from a kid in stl.. once upon a time it had cobrastars on the fender but he took them off. Dumbass
 
Welcome to LVC, use a helicore for the plug threads. Use some locktite on the coil and screw the plug and coil in at the same time. Someone else here had the same problem not too long ago, do yourself a favor and try searching it and you will find that answer pretty quick.
 
Yea from what I've seen its common to "blow plugs out" in Lincolns. I found the kit but I'm still a little nervous about rethreading it while on the motor. And yes I know what the search is but I figure I'll turn it into my progress thread... plans for the car is radar blue from pinstripe up and black under. Then black boss bullit style wheels and 96 headlights rest is going in the motor.. possibly march 1 style hood and make my own cobra bumper and rear.
 
Thats a sohc mod. Marks have DOHC heads. A good up grade would be to C style heads. Search and you will find what I am talking about. Or someone else may have a clean spoon, mines in the dishwasher.
 
Any one know anything about the pi head and intake swap the 96 and up stang guys do?

There's a B to C head swap you can do, but the you can't get PI heads and intakes for the Mark engine, they were never made. PI is a SOHC thing. Blowing out plugs is not really common for our engines provided the plugs are installed correctly to begin with (use a torque wrench to tighten the plugs, use anti seize on the plug threads). Cheap C heads can be sourced from a late model Continental and intake sourced from a Cobra. If you are lucky, you can find a 99 Continental which has B heads, but has a C style intake mounting (I think the IMRC has B head mounting on one side and C style intake mounting on the other). If I am wrong about anything, someone will correct me :)
 
So what year cars should I be looking at the junk yard for.. and you say cobra intake what years we talking about... its hard to search on my telephone
 
Unless you are going to supercharge the car with a positive displacement blower then a C head upgrade is pretty much a waste. You will also need a new cowl hood and they aint cheap and shipping is even more.

Stick with what ya got.
 
C heads make better power on NA engines too, Hoss
- B heads don't flow for crap, the velocity is way to low so cylinder filling stalls as soon as the piston starts back up the cylinder
- C heads can be made to flow as good as ported 03/04s or even FR500s
- Any of the heads can flow 300cfm on the itnake side but the smaller the port the better. 300cfm with a 190cc port is way better than 300cfm with a 235cc ports.
- You have intake choices with 99/01 or 03/04 heads, for B heads there is only two.
 
Heads explained, from another site:

B/Swirl Port: (93-97 Lincoln Mark VIII, pre 99 Lincoln Continental, 96-98 Cobra).
The first and only production Ford head with two (square primary, round secondary) intake ports per cylinder, these swirl port castings arrived first in the ’93 Lincoln Mark VIII. Aptly named, due to the way they promoted the incoming air to swirl into the combustion chambers, much like water running down the drain of a once full sink.
Through the years these heads have proven themselves to be excellent high rpm (8000rpm+) performers—mainly in power adder applications--since their tremendous combined intake port cross sectional area and volume (when combined, a full 55cc more than any other 4.6L head design) provide for exceptional power production in the upper regions of the tach. Ironically, it’s those same big, beautiful, twin ports that also prove to be the B head’s largest inherent design flaw. The extra intake port size has a tendency to kill low/mid rpm intake port velocity and power production—hence the use of Ford’s first IMRC (intake manifold runner control) intake on the 96-98 Cobra. By allowing air to reach only one of a B head’s twin intake valves, velocity, and therefore low/mid range torque production was restored in situations under 3250rpm. Later head designs are clearly superior in this regard, which happens to be the one of the most important considerations for those wanting a stout street motor.
There is also some controversy over the single fuel injector/dual intake port setup. Some claim insufficient air/fuel mixing because of the compromised design, however, others contest that the ability to make 1000+rwhp with only minor porting and some form of power adder is testament to the contrary. Whoever you believe, there is little doubt that even after as little as 8,000 miles, carbon and other deposits tend to form on the secondary ports, causing a major airflow impedance, as there is no fuel present to clean them. B heads feature a somewhat small stock exhaust port that really hinders flow in power adder applications. Major gains from porting come with a quality valve job, some pocket and lots of exhaust work. There really isn’t a lot of material to remove from the intake ports themselves.
The Bottom Line: B heads aren’t the best choice for a naturally aspirated street motor. In order to really shine, they need to be paired with a power adder and a short block that can sustain high horsepower and rpm levels. These, the oldest heads, may still be a great choice for full race applications.

Stock Intake Choices: ‘93-‘97 Lincoln Mark VIII, ‘96-‘98 Cobra.
Aftermarket/Modified Stock Intake Choices: HCI, SSR, PHP.
B head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 52cc, Intake Port Vol.: 107cc primary (square), 115cc secondary (round). Intake Port Entrance: 1.500x1.300” primary (square), 1.660x1.400” secondary (round), Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.

C/Tumble Port: (99/01 Cobra, 99 Lincoln Continental).
These second-generation Ford DOHC heads feature a single intake port per cylinder with a smaller cross sectional area that boosts incoming airflow velocity compared to previous years. To understand how C heads earn their “tumble port” designation, try to imagine an Olympic high diver doing repetitive front somersaults before cleanly entering a pool at the bottom. This controlled tumble allows for better air/fuel mixing than in the earlier swirl port heads. The new port design allowed for both substantial increases in midrange torque, and superior horsepower production under 8000rpm when compared with earlier heads. Combustion chamber size is also up 2cc.
The design downfall of C heads, and their larger (5.4L Navigator) cousins, is the relatively flat floor and utter lack of a short turn radius in the throat of the intake port. As such, the incoming air tends to overshoot the valves, making the port think the valves are smaller than they actually are. Some ‘99/’01 Cobra owners reported a “ticking/pinging” noise coming from the drivers side head of their cars. This is due to insufficient cooling around the #6, 7, and 8 cylinders that allowed the valves to overheat and therefore seat improperly. Ford remedied the situation by issuing a TSB to remove and replace the affected heads with a version that featured altered coolant flow.
C heads feature a small exhaust port much like Ford’s earlier swirl port heads, but unlike in B heads, both the intake (throat region) and exhaust ports can see extensive porting work. However, removing too much material from the intake port (mouth region) of a tumble port head will kill velocity very quickly, so make sure your head porter knows what they are doing!
The Bottom Line: C heads remain a viable performance upgrade for those looking for more punch in their street driven 4.6L four valve, without having to pay new part prices for the ’03 DOHC or FR500 versions. The increased midrange torque production and greater overall area under the power curve (when compared to swirl port heads) will enhance the performance of a street/strip driven (8,000rpm and under) modular regardless of application.

Stock Intake Choices: ‘99/’01 Cobra, ‘03/’04 Mach 1 & Aviator, ’03 Marauder, FR500.
Aftermarket /Modified Stock Intake Choices: Al Papitto short runner/ported ‘99/’01 Cobra, MP carb/Sullivan intake, FR500, Aviator
C head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 54cc, Intake Port Vol.: 177cc, Intake Port Entrance: 1.960”x1.350”, Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.

Navigator: (98+ Lincoln Navigator)
These 5.4L DOHC heads feature essentially the same intake port design as C heads, however they have a much larger intake port volume than 4.6L castings. Despite the fact these heads feature a relatively small exhaust port, the extra intake port volume could be very beneficial in helping fill a motor of greater displacement—think 5.4L. Expect slightly better midrange torque, and sub 8000rpm horsepower production than even C heads, however the larger intake port size leaves a slim selection of intakes to choose from when utilized on a 4.6L block. Forced induction fans take note, Navigator exhaust ports feature a thicker exhaust divider (while keeping the same overall exhaust port size as B,C, and FR500 heads) that allows coolant to circulate through this vital area. Conversely however, the larger divider can also hurt flow by utilizing additional space in the port.
The real downside to Navigator heads, when used on a 4.6L based motor, is the severe limitation they impose on intake selection. The physically larger 5.4L heads don’t leave a lot of room (when installed on a 4.6L block) between them for an intake plenum to sit—though they do bolt right up. Remember that since Navigator intake ports are essentially clones of those of C heads (just on a larger scale), they too suffer from the same intake port flaws that plague the earlier tumble port design--no short turn or floor in the throat of the intake port.
The Bottom Line: The extra port volume the Navi’s possess could be very beneficial in filling a motor with greater than 281 cubic inches of displacement, or in high rpm N/A street/strip or boosted combinations. Fans of boost should remember the cooled exhaust port divider. Lack of intake availability is the real downfall of this otherwise wonderful casting.

Stock Intake Choices: None (4.6L), 98+ Navigator (5.4L)
Aftermarket/Modified Stock Intake Choices: Al Papitto short runner 99 Cobra (4.6L), sheet metal
Navigator head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 53cc, Intake Port Vol.: 184cc, Intake Port Entrance: 2.290”x1.400”, Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.

’00 Cobra R: (’00 Cobra R)
Cobra R heads are bar none the best Modular heads available today. However, their extremely scare supply makes them both ridiculously hard to find, and unbelievably expensive.
Initial performance results are understandably hard to obtain, however Al Papitto reports that with only 25hrs of port work into the his new ‘00R heads, they have already eclipsed the performance of his old Navigator heads with months of labor in them. These heads feature larger intake and exhaust ports, +1mm larger exhaust valves, and a dry exhaust port divider. Cobra R heads also require the use of a specific valvetrain not shared with any other modular application due mainly to their overall physically larger size. Al also claims R heads have too much port volume for a street/strip 4.6L application; only consider them with a larger 5.4L motor or a serious 4.6L race application paired with some form of power adder.
The Bottom Line: The best heads you can or can’t find for a Modular four valve motor.
You are as likely to come across a set of these Modular “Godfather” heads as you are to be Brittany Spears’ next uterus masseuse. Though based on their performance abilities, you may want to start saving, just in case…
Stock Intake Choices: None (4.6L), ’00 Cobra R (5.4L)
Aftermarket/Modified Stock Intake Choices: Sheet metal
’00 Cobra R head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: N/A , Intake Port Vol.: N/A , Intake Port Entrance: 2.370”x1.300”, Valves: 37mm Int. 31mm Exh.
Stock Intake Choices: ‘00R
Aftermarket Intake Choices: Sheetmetal.

FR500: (FRPP)
The sole “aftermarket” offering of the bunch, these high flow heads feature a modified C head intake port combined with the smallest port volume of the group—it seems Ford meant to design these heads for high performance naturally aspirated applications. With the same small standard exhaust port as most other DOHC heads you will still have to remove a decent amount of material from the exhaust ports. Port entrance shape/size remains identical to C heads so finding an intake isn’t hard. These heads are capable of producing power beyond 8000rpm, where earlier versions of the tumble port castings begin to lose their luster. FR500 heads are prone to the #6,7, and 8 cylinder cooling problems as well. Major intake port differences between these and earlier tumble port heads include a raised intake port roof, and a real short turn radius that better directs the incoming air into the combustion chamber; not over the valves like in earlier versions of tumble port heads. These heads also feature a dry divider in the exhaust port, which allows for greater flow, but also higher temperatures. Though improved, the heads can still use some TLC from a quality porter to smooth the roughly finished and newly implemented short turn radius, and the standard exhaust treatment.
The Bottom Line: Outstanding performance heads, with exceptional low and mid lift flow capability. The FR500s only real fault is that the newer ’03 DOHC heads provide near identical performance capability (much better on the exhaust side) paired with a cost differential that is approximately two-thirds less than the FRPP castings. Still a great choice for any application, the heads readily pair to a wide variety of stock and aftermarket intakes.
Stock Intake Choices: ‘99/’01 Cobra, ‘03/’04 Mach 1 & Aviator, ’03 Marauder, FR500.
Aftermarket /Modified Stock Intake Choices: Al Papitto short runner/ported ‘99/’01 Cobra, MP/Sullivan carb intake, FR500, Aviator.
FR500 head dimensions: Combustion Chamber: 53cc, Intake Port Vol.: 160cc, Intake Port Entrance: 1.960”x1.350”, Valves: 37mm Int., 30mm Exh.

‘03 DOHC head: (‘03+ Aviator, Marauder, Cobra, Mach 1, Australian Boss 260/290)
Featuring a nearly identical (though 17cc larger in volume due to the fact that they are also used on the much larger Australian Boss 260/290 5.4L DOHCs) intake port to the FR500 head, but combining it with a newly designed, larger and more rectangular exhaust port, these may be the best all around DOHC Ford heads ever manufactured. The improvements made to the intake port shape over previous years include a raised port roof and the introduction of a short radius turn in the throat of the intake port that helps assure the incoming air charge finds the combustion chamber. For those with a forced induction street/strip motor, these are without question the best heads available, and as with the FR500s, they should produce great power up to and beyond 8000rpm regardless of application. ’03 DOHC heads also feature higher quality head castings from the supplier, which is at least partially responsible for the modest increase in flow vs. earlier castings--chalk that up to Ford’s revised quality control standards.
Early runs of the ’03 DOHC head fell victim to the same #6,7,8 cylinder coolant flow problems as earlier tumble port castings. In mid ’03 Ford made a running revision to the ’03 DOHC heads that allowed for more coolant to circulate through the affected areas. A blue mark on the driver’s side head indicates an updated casting, and there are no additional revisions to the ’04 version of this design.
The Bottom Line: On all accounts these are the best modular four valve heads currently available. They combine the exceptional flow of a slightly larger FR500 intake port with a gigantic new rectangular exhaust port.
 
Psh why do I need a computer when my dried does almost everything. Besides when it comes time to buy parts via the net I'll just use my bosses who lives across the street
 
C heads make better power on NA engines too, Hoss
- B heads don't flow for crap, the velocity is way to low so cylinder filling stalls as soon as the piston starts back up the cylinder
- C heads can be made to flow as good as ported 03/04s or even FR500s
- Any of the heads can flow 300cfm on the itnake side but the smaller the port the better. 300cfm with a 190cc port is way better than 300cfm with a 235cc ports.
- You have intake choices with 99/01 or 03/04 heads, for B heads there is only two.
Never said they didnt make better power. I said they were not worth it.

Lets look into this for a NA application. Used set of early (before the revision) C heads will run a minimum of $250. Now you have to find a 99/01 Cobra plenum or a Marauder or Mach1 or after 2000 Conti or 4v Aviator to get the plenum. Now there is a tiny chance you can find one in a JY but more then likely it will be from a forum or ebay and its gonna run $300 (at best). Now you need a pair of cam lock tools at $100 a set..... meh, can get away with one so just $100. Then you need all new gaskets and seals including timing cover seal. Thats another $200. Since you are in there and its apart you should replace the tensioners. There is another $250.
Now comes the fun, who here knows how to time a 4v? Not many do. Im sure Mike does and a few others.

So there is $1100 and if you need to have it timed there is another $300+.
Thats for a 5-10 hp gain and a little more in the midrange. Seems like a crap load of work and time for a minimal gain.

Just my .02
 
Psh why do I need a computer when my dried does almost everything. Besides when it comes time to buy parts via the net I'll just use my bosses who lives across the street

It even auto corrects for ya.
 
Yea yea sometimes the auto correct doesn't auto correct... anyways so the head swap doesn't sound interesting to me at all.. not worth the money.. and from just lurking the site before I joined I figured this site was more on the mature side but seems like there's a few children.


Anyways is there anyone thats got a couple cobra stars lol. Oh and how about the seat motor. It some times works. But not usually
 
Like Lazer and myself and many others on here a power adder like a supercharger or NOS will give you the most bang for the buck.
 
Psh why do I need a computer when my dried does almost everything. Besides when it comes time to buy parts via the net I'll just use my bosses who lives across the street
You need a computer to search for info, so we all don't have to spoonfeed you everything.
.. and from just lurking the site before I joined I figured this site was more on the mature side but seems like there's a few children
I don't know who you are calling children, but most people on here know how to look for info. Seems to me the children are the jagoffs who come here and ask questions that have been covered a million times before. There is a search function at the top of the page. If that eludes you, then use google, it is idiot proof.
 
Don't get things misconstrued. If I had a computer I would have been on this forum before I got the car using the search because that's what I usually do at 25 I've had nearly 20 cars all of which I was on a forum for. Just so happens being a newly wed and having a 2 year old and struggling because of the :q:q:q:qty location, a computer just isn't a priority when we really don't need one that much.

As for the posting of this thread it was pretty much a hello to everyone in the community, it seems like a family around here just as did my 600rr dot net and protege5.. I was just showing off the car and just giving a little story behind what's going on with her.
 
I don't think I misconstrued anything. You did introduce your self and your car which is good. I would have let you have it if you would have just started asking to be spoonfed. However, you then asked a question that would have easily been answered if you search. Next you asked a question about cobra intakes, which again is easy to find if you look. Then you called me a child for not wanting to spoonfeed you the info even though I did.

Your not special. If you don't like your chitty town, move. I live in the ILL state too and I just got married, have a 3 month old and a nine year old. Yet I can still look for info before I ask.
 

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