It ain't because of Bush pal. It is because of Democrats like this. Hell, Bush hasn't even named a Supreme Court nominee but as you can see, it won't matter who that person is or what they think. The reason enough to oppose is because Bush picked the person. How sad and how sad are the Democrats!

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JULY 06, 2005 11:09:22 ET XXXXX

SEN. SCHUMER CAUGHT ON CELLPHONE: 'WE ARE GOING TO WAR' OVER SUPREME COURT

**Exclusive**

Senate Judiciary Committee member Chuck Schumer got busy plotting away on the cellphone aboard a Washington, DC-New York Amtrak -- plotting Democrat strategy for the upcoming Supreme Court battle.

Schumer promised a fight over whoever the President’s nominee was: “It's not about an individual judge… It's about how it affects the overall makeup of the court.”

The chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee was overheard on a long cellphone conversation with an unknown political ally, and the DRUDGE REPORT was there!

Schumer proudly declared: “We are contemplating how we are going to go to war over this.”

Schumer went on to say how hard it was to predict how a Supreme Court justice would turn out: “Even William Rehnquist is more moderate than they expected. The only ones that resulted how they predicted were [Antonin] Scalia and [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg. So most of the time they've gotten their picks wrong, and that's what we want to do to them again.”

Schumer later went on to mock the “Gang of 14” judicial filibuster deal and said it wasn’t relevant in the Supreme Court debate.

“A Priscilla Owen or Janice Rogers Brown style appointment may not have been extraordinary to the appellate court but may be extraordinary to the Supreme Court.”

By the time the train hit New Jersey, Schumer shifted gears and called his friend and “Gang of 14” member, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham.

The two talked in a very friendly manner about doing an event sometime this week together.

Developing…

I hate Shmuck Shumer...

I wish some of you guys that lurk would toss your $.02 in once and awhile. This kinda stuff really pisses me off. Remember when Cheney said 'f-you' to someone that was being 2-faced? Look at that last line from the drudge... Chucky hangs up the phone and then calls a Repub and talks all kissy face. Hypocrites. Yikes.

I wish some of you guys that lurk would toss your $.02 in once and awhile. This kinda stuff really pisses me off. Remember when Cheney said 'f-you' to someone that was being 2-faced? Look at that last line from the drudge... Chucky hangs up the phone and then calls a Repub and talks all kissy face. Hypocrites. Yikes.
You don't think the Repugs do the same thing? If you don't, your head is really up your ass! You can bet your last dollar the Repugs are plotting and scheming about the upcoming vacancies on the supreme court, why the surprise over the Dems doing the same? Get off the high horse already! .
If I saw this from somewhere reputable, I might even buy it, but coming from drudge, it means nothing. He probably doctor shops the same ones Limbaugh does.
On the other hand, what Cheney did was reported by numerous outlets, for example:

Cheney Dismisses Critic With Obscenity
Clash With Leahy About Halliburton

By Helen Dewar and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, June 25, 2004; Page A04

A brief argument between Vice President Cheney and a senior Democratic senator led Cheney to utter a big-time obscenity on the Senate floor this week.

On Tuesday, Cheney, serving in his role as president of the Senate, appeared in the chamber for a photo session. A chance meeting with Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, became an argument about Cheney's ties to Halliburton Co., an international energy services corporation, and President Bush's judicial nominees. The exchange ended when Cheney offered some crass advice.

":q:q:q:q yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the presidency.

Leahy's spokesman, David Carle, yesterday confirmed the brief but fierce exchange. "The vice president seemed to be taking personally the criticism that Senator Leahy and others have leveled against Halliburton's sole-source contracts in Iraq," Carle said.

As it happens, the exchange occurred on the same day the Senate passed legislation described as the "Defense of Decency Act" by 99 to 1.

Now that's class, right on the floor of the senate!

You don't think the Repugs do the same thing? If you don't, your head is really up your ass! You can bet your last dollar the Repugs are plotting and scheming about the upcoming vacancies on the supreme court, why the surprise over the Dems doing the same? Get off the high horse already!

Here's my problem. It is the Democrats that offer nothing (NOTHING) of value to everyday Americans. No ideas. No proposals. But lots of hot air. And ever since they were tossed out on their asses, they haven't been able to cope with being out of power. So all they have done is obstruct. Obstruct at every turn. And here is the perfect example. They are out raising $100,000,000 to put lie after lie before the public and the funny thing is...they don't even know who the candidate is yet and obviously they don't care. Obstruct at all costs is all that matters.

Partisanship at its worst. And I see you guys post blaming Bush who was supposed to be a uniter, not a divider. Poor 'ol stupid Bush didn't understand how sick Washington is. So therefore, I say toss out all the Libs/Dems and give one party unrestricted power. Then if things go off track, John Q. Public can vote them out lock, stock and barrel.

I hope the Dems never win an election again. The whole party is worthless and America would be better off without them.

How does the saying go??? If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

BuSh is the biggest liar there is. "I have no litmus test." :bsflag:

So what is his litmus test going to be. Do you have some inside scoop? I find the wild speculation to be irresponsible. I fear he will pick another Sandy Day O'Connor or worse, a Souter. You never know what you are going to get and the last 5 appointments proved that.

OH MY GOD!!! You mean a president is going to pick Justices based on his parties political agenda!!! Sombody call CNN this is a friggin NEWS FLASH!!!

Listen...if Kerry had won there would be a total reversal in this thread. All the dems want in the Supreme Court are people who will uphold the liberal agenda that has been in place for decades. Now that it looks like the only permanent, non-voted in positions they have are threatened and they are scared that they will lose the only real power they have left. Good! It's about time we shook the boat and evened the scales back out.

So keep whining libbies...while your "great social experiment" crumbles and is replaced with common sense, we celebrate.

So keep whining libbies...while your "great social experiment" crumbles and is replaced with common sense, we celebrate.Absolutely. Here Here.:Beer :Beer :Beer :Beer Its not time to celebrate yet, but I can taste the smell of sweet revenge wafting in the air. Just watching them go apoplectic over this is almost worth it on its own merits.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon7.gif

Here's my problem. It is the Democrats that offer nothing (NOTHING) of value to everyday Americans.


Oh, I dunno - when clinton was in office, I felt safer, I felt respected, I felt like I had my privacy and my constitutional rights, I was more confident in the economy, I wasnt worried about who we would be invading next...

I could go on, but not much sense. I shouldnt complain, I mean GW did get 49% of the vote in 2000. :D

Oh, I dunno - when clinton was in office, I felt safer, I felt respected..., And the Twin Towers were still standing. I would say we were pretty selfish and self-centered back then. Just big, fat and happy with our stock options and internet revolution. Complacency is not always a good thing.

You don't think the Repugs do the same thing? If you don't, your head is really up your ass! You can bet your last dollar the Repugs are plotting and scheming about the upcoming vacancies on the supreme court, why the surprise over the Dems doing the same? Get off the high horse already!

No, they DON'T do the same thing. When Steven Breyer and Ruth Bader (Rodham) Ginsburg were up for Senate confirmation, they SAILED through the hearings. And they are as liberal as they come. The repubs didn't UNCONSTITUTIONALLY try to hold up their nomination by unprecedented committee filibusters JUST BASED ON THEIR IDEOLOGY. That, however, is EXACTLY what the Libs are doing.

Don't even try that tired, old, "Youse guys do it too" baloney. It won't fly.

Oh, I dunno - when clinton was in office, I felt safer, I felt respected, I felt like I had my privacy and my constitutional rights, I was more confident in the economy, I wasnt worried about who we would be invading next...

I could go on, but not much sense. I shouldnt complain, I mean GW did get 49% of the vote in 2000. :D

I'm sure Osama Bin Laden felt safer, too, especially since Clinton let him go when he could have had him dead to rights.

I'm sure Osama Bin Laden felt safer, too, especially since Clinton let him go when he could have had him dead to rights.But you have to remember that Osama was blowing up US government buildings and ships and from where Clinton was comig, that was a good thing, or certainly, that we deserved it or something twisted like that.

I'm sure Osama Bin Laden felt safer, too, especially since Clinton let him go when he could have had him dead to rights.

And Bush didn't let Bin Laden go!

Oh, I dunno - when clinton was in office, I felt safer, I felt respected, I felt like I had my privacy and my constitutional rights, I was more confident in the economy, I wasnt worried about who we would be invading next...

I could go on, but not much sense. I shouldnt complain, I mean GW did get 49% of the vote in 2000. :D

:I

So old Bill liked girls! Whoopty Do!

But you have to remember that Osama was blowing up US government buildings and ships and from where Clinton was comig, that was a good thing, or certainly, that we deserved it or something twisted like that.

I don't really think Clinton wanted destruction on our land, but I do think that at the time he was a little too distracted with where he misplaced his cigar collection...

Let's face it, the intelligence community has taken a beating over 9/11. But remember that Clinton had the same crappy intelligence people for his entire 8 years. Bush inherited them. But what did Clinton do with all that intelligence? He bombed an aspirin factory. That was it.

You have to hand it to Bush: He sticks by his word. When he says we're gonna finish off the terrorists, he doesn't quit just b/c some people whine.

BuSh is the biggest liar there is. "I have no litmus test." :bsflag:

Ummm...errr...where is the lie? I thought he hadn't even appointed a nominee yet. What is that statement? Extra Sensory Perception?

Classic lib - crying over a loss even before the game.

How could he not have a litmus test with so many puppeteers with their hands firmly up his ass.

You made the accusation of a litmus test, so back it up with something of substance to substantiate your claimhttp://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon4.gif That's all we're asking.

You think he has some sort of litmus test he is going to use in his selection process, so on what do you base your claimhttp://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon5.gif

Puppeteers? Pretty lame. You can, and must do better.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon3.gif

How could he not have a litmus test with so many puppeteers with their hands firmly up his ass.

If you had listened to Bush's actual words you would know that his only "litmus test" (your words) is that the nominee will strictly uphold the constitution. I heard him say it this week. I know of five justices, one now retired, that failed to uphold the constitution last month.

It is imperative that we change the course now that our freedoms are being taken away from us by unelected, unimpeachable activist judges.

So now we should believe GWB? He has no credibility. "Litmus test" were his words. I'm suprised he could pronounce them.

So now we should believe GWB? He has no credibility. "Litmus test" were his words.He said there was not going to be a 'Litmus test' in his decision process so what the hell are you talking about?

What Bush said ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Bush has said there would be no litmus test for his nominee on issues such as abortion or gay rights. "I'll pick people who, one, can do the job, people who are honest, people who are bright and people who will strictly interpret the Constitution and not use the bench to legislate from," the president said earlier this week.

He said there was not going to be a 'Litmus test' in his decision process so what the hell are you talking about?

What Bush said ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Bush has said there would be no litmus test for his nominee on issues such as abortion or gay rights. "I'll pick people who, one, can do the job, people who are honest, people who are bright and people who will strictly interpret the Constitution and not use the bench to legislate from," the president said earlier this week.

*owned*

Case closed.:Bang :N :Beer

So now we should believe GWB? He has no credibility. "Litmus test" were his words. I'm suprised he could pronounce them.


Barry you're Great, Bush has absolutely no credibility with the American people, only those right wing wackos whos minds are clouded with lies. And besides, anyone with a convertable Mark II can't be wrong.

But really I'm kind of surprised, stereotypically I figured anyone with enough money to have a Mark II like that would be a friend to Republicans. You just go to show that brains matter more than money. I'm with ya.

Normally I do side with the Conservatives just as I did with the recent Supreme Court debacle.

However, I hate the puppet GWB because he has fed us a pack of lies.

Owned, my ass.

Barry you're Great, Bush has absolutely no credibility with the American people, only those right wing wackos whos minds are clouded with lies.All 59,000,000 of us. Hahaha. Blowhard lefty whiners, all 54,000,000 of you.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

Normally I do side with the Conservatives just as I did with the recent Supreme Court debacle.Nothing like a liberal conservative. Talk about riding the fence. Oh boy.

So are you saying you wholly approve of everything Bush does?

So are you saying you wholly approve of everything Bush does?Most everything. I see the big picture, as does he.

Joey made the comment on another thread once that Bush had done, nada, zip, zilch.

Then I posted this. How much of this do you disagree with? Free free to highlight the ones you don't like in another color for clarity purposes.
President Bush proclaims National Child Abuse Prevention Month.
President Bush signs Medal of Valor Bill
President Bush sign Executive Order: Actions Concerning Regulations that Significantly Affect Energy Supply, Distribution, or Use.
President Bush signs tax cut billreducing Federal Income Tax Rates and sends a refund to millions of Americans
U.S. and Poland sign Open Skies Agreement
U.S. and Poland sign comprehensive trade package
President Bush signs Agriculture Supplemental Bill
Terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 over 3000 innocent Americans are killed.
President Bush signs Authorization for Use of Military Force Bill
President Bush signs Airline Transportation Bill to assure the safety and stability of the nation's commercial airlines
President Bush signs executive order freezing the assets of terrorist organizations
President Bush initiates military action in Afghanistan dismantling the Taliban regime and liberating 25 million people
President Bush signs Executive Order establishing Office of Homeland Security.
President Bush signs the Patriot Act.
President Bush signs Military Construction Appropriations Bill to improve quality of housing for military personnel.
President Bush signs National Emergency Construction Authority Executive Order
President Bush signs Interior Appropriations Bill.
President Bush signs Internet Access Taxation Moratorium so the growth of the Internet is not slowed by taxation.
President Bush signs Afghan Women and Children Relief Act.
President Bush grants permanent trade status to China
President Bush signs Defense Authorization Act - authorizing the funding necessary to defend the United States.
President Bush signs Intelligence Authorization Act authorizing appropriations to fund US intelligence, including activities essential to success in the war against global terrorism.
President Bush signs Landmark Education Bill
President Bush takes action to help restore Everglades
President Bush signs Brownfields Bill.
President Bush signs Terrorism Relief Act providing tax relief to families of those killed in the attacks on September the 11th, the anthrax attacks and the Oklahoma City bombing.
President Bush increases the budget for border security.
President Bush announces substantial increases in Homeland Security budget.
President Bush signs Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
President Bus signs Investor & Capital Markets Fee Relief Act.
President Bush announces clear skies & global climate change initiatives
President Bush increases funding for Bioterrorism by 319 Percent.
President Bush signs Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002
President Bush signs Campaign Finance Reform Act.
President Bush outlines U.S. plan to help world's poor- proposes $5 billion plan to help developing nations.
President Bush signs Farm Bill
President Bush signs Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act.
President Bush and Russian President Putin Sign Nuclear Arms Treaty
President Bush commemorates one-year anniversary of tax relief
President Bush signs Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Bill
President Bush signs Export-Import Bank Act
President Bush promotes new mother and child HIV prevention initiative
President Bush signs Corporate Corruption Bill
President Bush signs Trade Act of 2002.
President Bush proclaims Women's Equality Day
President Bush signs Born-Alive Infants Protection Act.
President Bush signs executive order prescribing regulations relating to the safeguarding of vessels, harbors, ports, and waterfront facilities of the United States.
President Bush proclaims Patriot Day
President Bush addresses the United Nations General Assembly
President Bush sends Iraq Resolution to Congress.
President Bush acts to protect pensions and retirement security for all Americans.
President Bush, Chinese President Jiang Zemin discuss Iraq, N. Korea
President Bush signs historic election reform legislation into law- Help America Vote Act.
President Bush proclaims National Alzheimer's Disease Awareness Month
President Bush signs two bills improve health care. The first to increase the number of community health care centers and the second to provide faster access to safe and effective medical devices.
President Bush signs Pledge of Allegiance Bill reaffirming one Nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and "In God we trust" as the National Motto
President Bush proclaimsNational Family Week
President Bush welcomes Romania to NATO
President Bush signs Homeland Security Act
President Bush signs Terrorism Insurance Act
President Bush signs 911 Commission Bill
President Bush signs Executive Order: Equal Protection of the Laws for Faith-based and Community Organizations.
President signs National Defense Authorization Act.
President Bush signs E-Government Act.
President Bush signs Wetlands Conservation Act
President Bush proclaims Human Rights Day, Bill of Rights Day; Human Rights Week
President Bush implements key elements of his faith-based initiative
President Bush signs executive order: Blocking property of persons undermining Democratic processes in Zimbabwe
President Bush proclaims National Child Abuse Prevention Month
President Bush says Saddam Hussein must leave Iraq within 48 Hours
Operation Iraqi Freedom. President Bush initiates military with Iraq dismantling the Saddam Hussein regime and liberating 22 million people.
President Bush signs Protect Act- Amber Alert Bill expanding nationwide a rapid-response network to help find kidnapped children.
President Bush proclaims National Day of Prayer
President Bush signs U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement
President Bush signs Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003.
President Bush signs The United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003.
President Bush signs executive order establishing the Bob Hope American Patriot Award.
President Bush signs executive order protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and other property in which Iraq has an interest
President Bush proclaimsNational Child's Day
President Bush and Russian President Putin sign Treaty of Moscow
President Bush meets with leaders of Jordan, Israel and Palestinian Authority
President Bush proclaims Flag Day and National Flag Week
President Bush proclaims June 2003 as National Homeownership Month
President Bush signs "Keeping Children Safe Act"
President Bush signs Welfare Reform Extension Act of 2003, which extends the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families block grant program and certain related programs.
President Bush names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator
Uday and Qusay Hussein are killed during raid in Iraq.
President Bush names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator
President Bush signs executive order blocking removal of Iraqi property from that country by the former Iraqi regime, its senior officials and their family members
President Bush proclaims Women's Equality Day
President Bush Promotes Healthy Forests in Arizona
President Bush signs Chile, Singapore Free Trade Agreement Bills
President Bush signs Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003
President Bush, King Abdullah of Jordan meet at Camp David
President Bush signs Do Not Call Registry
President Bush proclaims Marriage Protection Week.
President Bush proclaims Child Health Day
President Bush signs Homeland Security Appropriations Bill
President Bush Signs Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
President Bush proclaims November 2003 as National Adoption Month
President Bush Meets with Iraqi women leaders
President Bush Signs the Animal Drug User Fee Act of 2003
President Bush proclaims National Family Week
President Bush signs Military Construction Appropriations Act
President Bush signs the National Defense Authorization Act
President Bush meets with troops in Iraq on Thanksgiving
President Bush proclaims World AIDS Day
President Bush signs the Adoption Promotion Act of 2003
President Bush signs Nanotechnology Research and Development Act
President Bush signs Healthy Forest Restoration Act
President Bush signs Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act
President Bush signs Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003
Saddam Hussein is captured in Iraq
President Bush signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003
Libya pledges to dismantle WMD programs
President Bush Announces Formation of Independent Commission to look at American intelligence capabilities
President Bush signs Executive Order encouraging innovation in manufacturing
President Bush calls for Constitutional Amendment protecting marriage
President Bush signs Social Security Protection Act of 2004
President Bush welcomes seven nations to the NATO Alliance
President Bush signs Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
President Bush unveils Tech initiatives for energy, health care, Internet
President Bush speaks at National World War II Memorial dedication
President Bush, President Chirac mark 60th anniversary of D-Day - Normandy, France
President Bush delivers eulogy at funeral service for President Reagan
President Bush signs African Growth and Opportunity Act
President Bush signs Identity Theft Penalty Enhancement Act
President Bush signs Project Bioshield Act of 2004

The guy has done a fantastic job in office, all the while keeping the bad guys at bay. Who would have thought we would go 4 years without another hit. Give the guy some credit. You guys can't be filled with all hate. Even I liked Clinton for some of the things he did.

you're right I will give him some credit. Going to Afganistan and dismantling the Taliban was the right thing to do, thats where the terrorists were. I would also like to give congress credit for not renewing the assault weapons ban. So,rightly speaking, is there anything that bush has done wrong?

So,rightly speaking, is there anything that bush has done wrong?I'll pardon the pun. Seeing as how the left is so good at criticizing Bush, why do you spell out all the things he has done wrong? I'd be happy to debate those item by item.

Ok, I've got a question for you, how long do you think this country can sustain cutting taxes while spending significantly more than it takes in? I think bush has vetoed 1 spending bill since he's been in office.

you're right I will give him some credit. Going to Afganistan and dismantling the Taliban was the right thing to do, thats where the terrorists were. I would also like to give congress credit for not renewing the assault weapons ban. So,rightly speaking, is there anything that bush has done wrong?

Yeah, I think he hasn't fought the liberal hate agenda tooth and nail as hard as I'd like him to.

And to add on to your statement about the Taliban: Hello, wake up everybody, the terrorists aren't there anymore, they are in Iraq!!! That's why we're STILL FIGHTING! It's a war! Doesn't anybody read history anymore? Wars often continue on different pieces of ground called fronts. The current front in the war on terror is IRAQ.

Ok, I've got a question for you, how long do you think this country can sustain cutting taxes while spending significantly more than it takes in? I think bush has vetoed 1 spending bill since he's been in office.

You didn't study supply side economics in college, did you? And, by the way, Congress enacts spending bills, not the president. He only signs or vetoes them.

I studied economics and what bush is doing can not go on forever.

I studied economics and what bush is doing can not go on forever.

So what? Should we lay down our arms and try to kiss up to the terrorists like Spain did, and bow down to their wishes then? What choice do we have but to defeat an enemy who has attacked our innocent citizens in an unprovoked assault?

Barry you're Great, Bush has absolutely no credibility with the American people, only those right wing wackos whos minds are clouded with lies. And besides, anyone with a convertable Mark II can't be wrong.

But really I'm kind of surprised, stereotypically I figured anyone with enough money to have a Mark II like that would be a friend to Republicans. You just go to show that brains matter more than money. I'm with ya.

I bet John Kerry's wife has enough money for her husband to afford a Mark II.

"Democrats don't earn their fortunes, they marry them!"
-Anonymous

Like I said, he did a good job in Afganistan, but it pretty much ends there.

Like I said, he did a good job in Afganistan, but it pretty much ends there.

No, it hasn't ended yet, that's what you guys don't get. The war on terror is still going on.

Ok, I've got a question for you, how long do you think this country can sustain cutting taxes while spending significantly more than it takes in? I think bush has vetoed 1 spending bill since he's been in office.Note the area in gray where Republicans have been in control of Congress. Then also note the year 2001 when 9/11 happened. Also note that the Country was falling into recession in 2000 when Clinton was leaving office and Bush was coming in. Expenditures in the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, coupled with spending for homeland security all weigh heavily on the budget. Give it some time. The ecomony is growing at 4% per quarter, 3,000,000 new jobs in the last 2 years. Things are looking good, despite the fact that the world demand on fossil fuel has driven the price of gas up to nearly $2.50/gallon. You're in the right hands with the 'adults' in charge of things.

This just illustrates that libs chime in with ridiculous claims (i.e. Bush is a liar, he hasn't vetoed more than one spending bill) without any facts to back them up. They are obviously using talking points given to them by the shrill siren of the media who is trumpeting whatever Dick Durbin or Nancy Pelosi are currently screeching about.

Somebody been listening to Rush? I hear a Rush echo.

Somebody been listening to Rush? I hear a Rush echo.

The only way you would know that is if you listen to Rush.

Plenty of libs listen to Rush but you would NEVER get them to admit it. Listening to a lib on the radio, well.... what's the point, nobody wants to listen to a lib on the radio, not even libs evidently.

When driving my Mark II I often listen to Rush. It only has an AM radio. That's how I recognize your lines. From Rush's mouth to our screen. Don't you have anything original to say?

Maybe we should simulcast it for you while your posting so you'll know what to think.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon6.gif

Yeah, I think he hasn't fought the liberal hate agenda tooth and nail as hard as I'd like him to.

And to add on to your statement about the Taliban: Hello, wake up everybody, the terrorists aren't there anymore, they are in Iraq!!! That's why we're STILL FIGHTING! It's a war! Doesn't anybody read history anymore? Wars often continue on different pieces of ground called fronts. The current front in the war on terror is IRAQ.

EXCUSE ME, you are the one that needs to wake up. First of all, Shrub diverted funds from Afghanistan for his build up for Iraq(Some say illegally, still being investigated). Secondly, he did not finish the job in Afghanistan, the taliban and Al quida are on the upswing evidenced by the downing of that helicopter with 16-17 troops on board killed along with the missing seal team this past week.
He's turned Iraq into a terrorist training ground that rivals Afghanistan during the Aghan-Soviet war.

Joey made the comment on another thread once that Bush had done, nada, zip, zilch.

Then I posted this. How much of this do you disagree with? Free free to highlight the ones you don't like in another color for clarity purposes.
President Bush proclaims National Child Abuse Prevention Month.
President Bush signs Medal of Valor Bill
President Bush sign Executive Order: Actions Concerning Regulations that Significantly Affect Energy Supply, Distribution, or Use.
President Bush signs tax cut billreducing Federal Income Tax Rates and sends a refund to millions of Americans
U.S. and Poland sign Open Skies Agreement
U.S. and Poland sign comprehensive trade package
President Bush signs Agriculture Supplemental Bill
Terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 over 3000 innocent Americans are killed.
President Bush signs Authorization for Use of Military Force Bill
President Bush signs Airline Transportation Bill to assure the safety and stability of the nation's commercial airlines
President Bush signs executive order freezing the assets of terrorist organizations
President Bush initiates military action in Afghanistan dismantling the Taliban regime and liberating 25 million people
President Bush signs Executive Order establishing Office of Homeland Security.
President Bush signs the Patriot Act.
President Bush signs Military Construction Appropriations Bill to improve quality of housing for military personnel.
President Bush signs National Emergency Construction Authority Executive Order
President Bush signs Interior Appropriations Bill.
President Bush signs Internet Access Taxation Moratorium so the growth of the Internet is not slowed by taxation.
President Bush signs Afghan Women and Children Relief Act.
President Bush grants permanent trade status to China
President Bush signs Defense Authorization Act - authorizing the funding necessary to defend the United States.
President Bush signs Intelligence Authorization Act authorizing appropriations to fund US intelligence, including activities essential to success in the war against global terrorism.
President Bush signs Landmark Education Bill
President Bush takes action to help restore Everglades
President Bush signs Brownfields Bill.
President Bush signs Terrorism Relief Act providing tax relief to families of those killed in the attacks on September the 11th, the anthrax attacks and the Oklahoma City bombing.
President Bush increases the budget for border security.
President Bush announces substantial increases in Homeland Security budget.
President Bush signs Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
President Bus signs Investor & Capital Markets Fee Relief Act.
President Bush announces clear skies & global climate change initiatives
President Bush increases funding for Bioterrorism by 319 Percent.
President Bush signs Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002
President Bush signs Campaign Finance Reform Act.
President Bush outlines U.S. plan to help world's poor- proposes $5 billion plan to help developing nations.
President Bush signs Farm Bill
President Bush signs Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act.
President Bush and Russian President Putin Sign Nuclear Arms Treaty
President Bush commemorates one-year anniversary of tax relief
President Bush signs Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Bill
President Bush signs Export-Import Bank Act
President Bush promotes new mother and child HIV prevention initiative
President Bush signs Corporate Corruption Bill
President Bush signs Trade Act of 2002.
President Bush proclaims Women's Equality Day
President Bush signs Born-Alive Infants Protection Act.
President Bush signs executive order prescribing regulations relating to the safeguarding of vessels, harbors, ports, and waterfront facilities of the United States.
President Bush proclaims Patriot Day
President Bush addresses the United Nations General Assembly
President Bush sends Iraq Resolution to Congress.
President Bush acts to protect pensions and retirement security for all Americans.
President Bush, Chinese President Jiang Zemin discuss Iraq, N. Korea
President Bush signs historic election reform legislation into law- Help America Vote Act.
President Bush proclaims National Alzheimer's Disease Awareness Month
President Bush signs two bills improve health care. The first to increase the number of community health care centers and the second to provide faster access to safe and effective medical devices.
President Bush signs Pledge of Allegiance Bill reaffirming one Nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and "In God we trust" as the National Motto
President Bush proclaimsNational Family Week
President Bush welcomes Romania to NATO
President Bush signs Homeland Security Act
President Bush signs Terrorism Insurance Act
President Bush signs 911 Commission Bill
President Bush signs Executive Order: Equal Protection of the Laws for Faith-based and Community Organizations.
President signs National Defense Authorization Act.
President Bush signs E-Government Act.
President Bush signs Wetlands Conservation Act
President Bush proclaims Human Rights Day, Bill of Rights Day; Human Rights Week
President Bush implements key elements of his faith-based initiative
President Bush signs executive order: Blocking property of persons undermining Democratic processes in Zimbabwe
President Bush proclaims National Child Abuse Prevention Month
President Bush says Saddam Hussein must leave Iraq within 48 Hours
Operation Iraqi Freedom. President Bush initiates military with Iraq dismantling the Saddam Hussein regime and liberating 22 million people.
President Bush signs Protect Act- Amber Alert Bill expanding nationwide a rapid-response network to help find kidnapped children.
President Bush proclaims National Day of Prayer
President Bush signs U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement
President Bush signs Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003.
President Bush signs The United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003.
President Bush signs executive order establishing the Bob Hope American Patriot Award.
President Bush signs executive order protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and other property in which Iraq has an interest
President Bush proclaimsNational Child's Day
President Bush and Russian President Putin sign Treaty of Moscow
President Bush meets with leaders of Jordan, Israel and Palestinian Authority
President Bush proclaims Flag Day and National Flag Week
President Bush proclaims June 2003 as National Homeownership Month
President Bush signs "Keeping Children Safe Act"
President Bush signs Welfare Reform Extension Act of 2003, which extends the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families block grant program and certain related programs.
President Bush names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator
Uday and Qusay Hussein are killed during raid in Iraq.
President Bush names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator
President Bush signs executive order blocking removal of Iraqi property from that country by the former Iraqi regime, its senior officials and their family members
President Bush proclaims Women's Equality Day
President Bush Promotes Healthy Forests in Arizona
President Bush signs Chile, Singapore Free Trade Agreement Bills
President Bush signs Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003
President Bush, King Abdullah of Jordan meet at Camp David
President Bush signs Do Not Call Registry
President Bush proclaims Marriage Protection Week.
President Bush proclaims Child Health Day
President Bush signs Homeland Security Appropriations Bill
President Bush Signs Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
President Bush proclaims November 2003 as National Adoption Month
President Bush Meets with Iraqi women leaders
President Bush Signs the Animal Drug User Fee Act of 2003
President Bush proclaims National Family Week
President Bush signs Military Construction Appropriations Act
President Bush signs the National Defense Authorization Act
President Bush meets with troops in Iraq on Thanksgiving
President Bush proclaims World AIDS Day
President Bush signs the Adoption Promotion Act of 2003
President Bush signs Nanotechnology Research and Development Act
President Bush signs Healthy Forest Restoration Act
President Bush signs Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act
President Bush signs Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003
Saddam Hussein is captured in Iraq
President Bush signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003
Libya pledges to dismantle WMD programs
President Bush Announces Formation of Independent Commission to look at American intelligence capabilities
President Bush signs Executive Order encouraging innovation in manufacturing
President Bush calls for Constitutional Amendment protecting marriage
President Bush signs Social Security Protection Act of 2004
President Bush welcomes seven nations to the NATO Alliance
President Bush signs Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
President Bush unveils Tech initiatives for energy, health care, Internet
President Bush speaks at National World War II Memorial dedication
President Bush, President Chirac mark 60th anniversary of D-Day - Normandy, France
President Bush delivers eulogy at funeral service for President Reagan
President Bush signs African Growth and Opportunity Act
President Bush signs Identity Theft Penalty Enhancement Act
President Bush signs Project Bioshield Act of 2004

The guy has done a fantastic job in office, all the while keeping the bad guys at bay. Who would have thought we would go 4 years without another hit. Give the guy some credit. You guys can't be filled with all hate. Even I liked Clinton for some of the things he did.

Big Whoop!! You can compile an equally "impressive" list of accomplishments for any previous administration. The fact of the matter is that Shrubs Environmental and Energy bills have been shaped by industry, not by true concern for the well being of the environment or the energy consuming public. He has more "foxes guarding the hen house" than any other administration in history. And a lot of things you list on there are nothing more than fluff.
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The fact of the matter is that Shrubs Environmental and Energy bills have been shaped by industry, not by true concern for the well being of the environment or the energy consuming public.I bet ya you don't even know what Shrubs Environmental and Energy Bills are! Because if you did, you wouldn't be criticizing them because they further America's self-reliance on all ebergy sources and also serves to promote clean air and waterways in a way the previous administration of Slick Willy never did. Once again, the left doesn't need proof to make an accusation. The accusation is sufficient if enough parrots start talking.

It seems like this thread is like bush's holy war, Never Ending.

EXCUSE ME, you are the one that needs to wake up. First of all, Shrub diverted funds from Afghanistan for his build up for Iraq(Some say illegally, still being investigated). Secondly, he did not finish the job in Afghanistan, the taliban and Al quida are on the upswing evidenced by the downing of that helicopter with 16-17 troops on board killed along with the missing seal team this past week.
He's turned Iraq into a terrorist training ground that rivals Afghanistan during the Aghan-Soviet war.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

First, no proof about illegally diverting funds, so your assertion is merely speculation.
Second, he hasn't stopped the job in Afghanistan, obviously, or we wouldn't have SEALS and helicopters there, duh!
Third, what terrorist training ground? You are making no sense whatsoever.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

First, no proof about illegally diverting funds, so your assertion is merely speculation.


Critics question diversion of Afghan war funds to Iraq plan
Richard Simon, Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times

Tuesday, April 20, 2004
Washington -- Charges that the Bush administration had diverted $700 million to prepare for a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq without informing Congress drew criticism Monday from congressional Democrats, while Republicans contended that Congress had given the administration "unprecedented flexibility" in spending after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Rep. David Obey of Wisconsin, the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, said the administration "owes Congress a full, detailed and immediate accounting."

Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Walnut Creek, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, called for an investigation, calling it "deeply irresponsible of the White House to secretly reprogram funds allocated by Congress."

The staffs of Republican and Democratic members of the House and Senate Appropriations committees scrambled over records to determine whether the administration had shifted money that had been allocated for the war in Afghanistan, whether it was required to notify Congress and, if so, whether it had done so.

A new book by Bob Woodward, an assistant managing editor at the Washington Post, says that in the summer of 2002, the Bush administration diverted money allocated for the war in Afghanistan for "preparatory tasks" in the Persian Gulf region, such as upgrading airfields in Kuwait.

"Congress, which is supposed to control the purse strings, had no real knowledge or involvement, had not even been notified the Pentagon wanted to reprogram money," Woodward wrote in "Plan of Attack."

"It is our understanding that Congress was kept informed," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters Monday, adding that the White House had asked the Pentagon comptroller and the Office of Management and Budget to document what had happened. Emergency spending legislation passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks gave the administration "broad discretion" in the use of funding, he said.

White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy said in an interview Monday that the "significant buildup" at the time in the Persian Gulf region was not necessarily in preparation for an invasion. He said the administration wanted to be ready to aid weapons inspectors or pave the way for a quick response if Saddam Hussein fled.

Rep. C.W. "Bill" Young, R-Fla., chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said that Congress in most cases had allowed the Defense Department to allocate post-Sept. 11 funding with "unprecedented flexibility because of the dynamic combat environment and an unconventional terrorist threat."

Congressional Democrats said they planned to ask Defense Department officials for an explanation during hearings this week on Bush's Iraq policy. The controversy has emerged as continuing insurgency and U.S. military deaths in Iraq have presented Bush with new challenges to holding onto public support for the war as he seeks re-election in November.

Second, he hasn't stopped the job in Afghanistan, obviously, or we wouldn't have SEALS and helicopters there, duh!
I am referring to the fact that Shrub pulled troops and resources from Afghanistan before the job was finished, I didn't say he pulled all the troops. The Taliban and Al Quaida are on the upswing, and what happened to "Osama, wanted dead or alive". Shrub turned around and said that he wasn't concerned about Osama during the run up to the election last year, yet that sucker is still out there organizing his terrorists.
Third, what terrorist training ground? You are making no sense whatsoever.
CIA says Iraq is now a terrorist training ground

By Reuters

06/22/05 - - WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA believes the Iraq insurgency poses an international threat and may produce better-trained Islamic terrorists than the 1980s Afghanistan war that gave rise to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, officials said on Wednesday.

A classified report from the U.S. spy agency says Iraqi and foreign fighters are developing a broad range of skills, from car bombings and assassinations to coordinated conventional attacks on police and military targets, officials said.

Once the insurgency ends, Islamic militants are likely to disperse as highly organized battle-hardened combatants capable of operating throughout the Arab-speaking world and in other regions including Europe.

Fighters leaving Iraq would primarily pose a challenge for their countries of origin including Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

But the May report, which has been widely circulated in the intelligence community, also cites a potential threat to the United States.

"You have people coming to the action with anti-U.S. sentiment ... And since they're Iraqi or foreign Arabs or to some degree Kurds, they have more communities they can blend into outside Iraq," said a U.S. counterterrorism official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the report's classified status.

Canada also released an intelligence report saying the Sunni insurgency in Iraq posed a global problem given that most of the world's Sunni Muslims live outside the Middle East.

"The current war in Iraq is creating a whole new set of extremists," the Canadian Security Intelligence Service said in a briefing document obtained by Reuters.

Meanwhile, a Pentagon official said the CIA report appeared to be a synthesis of intelligence information already known to military commanders in the Gulf region.

Iraq has become a magnet for Islamic militants similar to Soviet-occupied Afghanistan two decades ago and Bosnia in the 1990s, U.S. officials say.

Bin Laden won prominence as a U.S. ally in the war against Soviet troops in Afghanistan. He later used Afghanistan as the training center for his al Qaeda network, which is blamed for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on Washington and New York.

President Bush justified the invasion of Iraq in part by charging that Saddam Hussein was supporting al Qaeda. A U.S. inquiry later found no collaboration between prewar Iraq and the bin Laden network.

But since the invasion, Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has emerged as a key insurgent figure and pledged his allegiance to bin Laden.

While the Afghan war against the Soviets was largely fought on a rural battlefield, the CIA report said Iraq is providing extremists with more comprehensive skills including training in operations devised for populated urban areas.

"You have everything from bombings and assassinations to more or less conventional attacks," the counterterrorism official said.

"The urban warfare experience, for people facing fairly tight police and military activity at close quarters, should enable them to operate in a wider range of settings."

Vice President Dick Cheney has argued that the insurgency is in its last throes, despite reports that the guerrillas have grown more deadly.

CIA Director Porter Goss told Time magazine that the insurgency was not quite in its last throes, "but I think they are very close to it."


"Duh" ? Stop quoting Shrubs favorite line, you sound like his parrot.
I can see that you and Bryan are both wearing the Shrub colored glasses, you obviously get your news from Fox and Rush, ignoring all other sources.

I knew I smelled Rush in all their arguements. I think all those pain killers got to him and rotted his brain.

Funny, I have listened to less than 2 hours of Rush and have yet to turn on Fox since the election. I dance :dancefoolto the tune of my own drummer, thank you.


I love the fact that 97silverlsc almost always posts up the drivel that comes from the left. Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times. Talk about parroting via cut and paste. Good humor.

Even funnier was the call I got 2 days ago from the New York Times. They wanted to sell me a subscription and just couldn't quite understand why I wouldn't waste my money on the toilet paper they call a newspaper. Even had to have some heavy-weight pick up the phone to try and tongue-lash me. Told me all about the size of the op-ed department versus the 'news' department (news has 10 times more employees) and that both groups were run separately and this and that.

In the end, I told them to call me back when they sell off the 'editorial' department because those morons were killing their subscriber base. I almost felt sorry for the 'news' guys. They seemed pretty sincere. If I didn't know better, I would say that these poor 'news' guys hated the 'opinion' guys and know they are losing their jobs because of those morons.

We'll have to wait and see. The NYT did say they were going to change and reach out to the rest of the US citizenship, not just the 3% represented by some on this board comprising the far left. Heck, they must have pulled me off of a right-wing wacko mailing list and are trying their best to become my buddy. Sad but funny.

No doubt liberalism is dying. When they have to reach out to dip into my pocket, something is certainly amiss.

Again, you offer no proof, just claims and speculation. And you claimed that Bush "turned Iraq into a terrorist training ground..." I'm sure he isn't behind the terrorists' training. Pretty sure Al Qaeda is.

It's classic how you offer newspaper articles as "proof". Definitely Rush and Fox News are better sources than "Doonesbury", which is obviously where you get all your info.

Definitely Rush and Fox News are better sources than "Doonesbury",:bowrofl: :headbang:

Again, you offer no proof, just claims and speculation. And you claimed that Bush "turned Iraq into a terrorist training ground..." I'm sure he isn't behind the terrorists' training. Pretty sure Al Qaeda is.

It's classic how you offer newspaper articles as "proof". Definitely Rush and Fox News are better sources than "Doonesbury", which is obviously where you get all your info.

There are numerous articles from numerous sources that back up what I've said. You and Bryan are both childlike in your arguments, "it can't be true cause it's something bad about the guy i like". If you would admit that your boy makes mistakes it would be one thing, but with those Shrub colored glasses on you won't admit your boy isn't perfect. Anybody who has anything bad to say about Shrub or his administration is a Liberal. You've both been drinking too much of that Repug red Koolaid.

Bryan, you should do some reading at this site, http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/
Then tell me how great Shrubs record is on the environment.

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Then tell me how great Shrubs record is on the environment.Thanks for the link. I'll spend some time looking it over.

Can't help but noticed this 'group' doesn't seem to have a problem with the Clinton administration. Putting up a group like this is pretty laughable. I mean come on. A far left wing group. Tree Huggers. Save the Planet. Geesh. I wish you could come up with a group more in the middle. Hard to take these guys seriously, seriously.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

And as far as Bush's wrong-doing goes, please post what you feel Bush has done wrong and I will answer it. I don't see a reason, any reason for Bush to apologize for ANYTHING that he has done. Seriously. I don't.

And quit trying to use the Koolaid thing. That is a repub weapon. We used the term 1st. Don't copycat. Try something original for a change.

Back to Bush, really, show my why we should apologize for anything. I sure there is something there, I just don't see it. Must be those glasses.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

Without Bush in office, this country would be in a world of hurt. imho.

Thanks for the link. I'll spend some time looking it over.

Can't help but noticed this 'group' doesn't seem to have a problem with the Clinton administration. Putting up a group like this is pretty laughable. I mean come on. A far left wing group. Tree Huggers. Save the Planet. Geesh. I wish you could come up with a group more in the middle. Hard to take these guys seriously, seriously.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

And as far as Bush's wrong-doing goes, please post what you feel Bush has done wrong and I will answer it. I don't see a reason, any reason for Bush to apologize for ANYTHING that he has done. Seriously. I don't.

And quit trying to use the Koolaid thing. That is a repub weapon. We used the term 1st. Don't copycat. Try something original for a change.

Back to Bush, really, show my why we should apologize for anything. I sure there is something there, I just don't see it. Must be those glasses.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

Without Bush in office, this country would be in a world of hurt. imho.

Just read some of the articles.
Correction-With Shrub in office, this country IS in a world of hurt.

Did anyone notice that Bryan always deflects criticism of BuSh by bringing up Clinton? I sure have. Maybe we should look back another 4 years to the idiot's father's failures like Iraq and "No new taxes". It's laughable how you guys do this repeatedly.

Did anyone notice that Bryan always deflects criticism of BuSh by bringing up Clinton? I sure have. Maybe we should look back another 4 years to the idiot's father's failures like Iraq and "No new taxes". It's laughable how you guys do this repeatedly.

I've said it before, and I repeat: The only thing I am disappointed about with Bush is that he hasn't fought the liberals and their agenda more vigorously. Other than that, he's done a great job of meeting my expectations.

You people act like he's running for reelection again and you've just got to stop him. Newsflash: It's over! You lost!

What you ought to be doing is trying to find a candidate who will actually be electable in 2008 (not Hillary) and a platform that actually stands for something (not current platform). Then you might have a chance. At this rate, your Howard Deans and Harry Reids are going to turn off all the American people and your power in Congress and the Presidency will continue to shrink. But hey, keep it up. It's working so far...for us.

I've said it before, and I repeat: The only thing I am disappointed about with Bush is that he hasn't fought the liberals and their agenda more vigorously. Other than that, he's done a great job of meeting my expectations.

You people act like he's running for reelection again and you've just got to stop him. Newsflash: It's over! You lost!

What you ought to be doing is trying to find a candidate who will actually be electable in 2008 (not Hillary) and a platform that actually stands for something (not current platform). Then you might have a chance. At this rate, your Howard Deans and Harry Reids are going to turn off all the American people and your power in Congress and the Presidency will continue to shrink. But hey, keep it up. It's working so far...for us.

Wrong again! The issue here is not whether he's running for reelection or not, We know he won. As James Baldwin said, and I quote "I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." It doesn't matter whether I voted for the person in office or not, if I think he's wrong I will speak out. I am not affiliated with any party, another words I'm not a dem or repug. This guy is wrong in so many different ways.

Correction-With Shrub in office, this country IS in a world of hurt.

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GW has sold out the US. He sacraficed our OWN security and sanctity of "the American Way of Life" in the name of "world peace and democracy". The fact it made his corporate puppeteers rich in the process does not bother him (or any other Shrubbies for that matter) one bit.

He sacraficed our OWN security and sanctity of "the American Way of Life" in the name of "world peace and democracy".

Caution...Bryan's head is exploding. Need more duct tape...

What did we do to provoke the 9/11 attack? Weren't we appeasing Saddam at the time? Did we have troops in Afganistan hunting for Osama? I thought we were pretty much minding our own business.

Somebody needs to clue you in. THEY STARTED IT. We're gonna finish it. That's the way it goes. We have turned the other cheek countless times. It doesn't work. Our enemy only understands one thing. Kill or be killed. No turning back. Sorry.

You guys sound like pacifists. Are you two pacifists? (Johnny and Silverlsc)

You guys sound like pacifists. Are you two pacifists? (Johnny and Silverlsc)

You guys sound like warmongers. Are you two warmongers? (MonsterMark ans fossten)

Saddam didn't start this action. GWB's father failed to end the last one. Blame that on the Liberals.

Bryan,

Please get off the notion that invading Iraq had anything at all to do with 9/11. You've admitted that it was all about oil. Try to be consistant.

You guys sound like warmongers. Are you two warmongers? (MonsterMark ans fossten)

I consider myself a patriot. I have served in the Armed Forces. I am a big fan of our country defending itself against attack. War has been ever present in our country's history since other entities continually assault our way of life. Democratic presidents as well as republican presidents have taken our country to war whenever we were attacked. Roosevelt, Truman, LBJ, the list goes on.

The only warmongers I see are the terrorists who are continuing to attack us, now in Iraq. The war is the same, the front has changed. Kind of like Japan and Germany in WWII, but this is a war unlike any other we have ever fought. It is against cowards who will not stand up and fight face to face, but instead prey on our innocent civilians.

You complain that this war has been bungled. You libs cry about losing 1,700 soldiers in two years. In WWII the Battle of the Bulge alone claimed over 81,000 American lives in just over a MONTH. What should we have done? Given up and gone home just because it was costing us something?

You pacifists think that just reasoning with the terrorists will somehow appease them, while you are ignorant of their ideals, how they are sworn to destroy us. You fail to understand that this type of enemy doesn't surrender, doesn't negotiate, and doesn't show mercy. The ONLY thing terrorists understand is force. The only way to end this war is to DEFEAT them, not to run away.

And you would have our country abandon the poor Iraqis just when they are starting to get on their feet. These guys need us for a while. Your own beloved Hillary even said (however duplicitously) that she thinks we should stay over in Iraq for a while longer.

You parrot the media and the Michael Moores who cry foul while never contributing a single thing positive to society.

You will no doubt try to pick apart my words and criticize me somehow. But I represent a far larger majority of Americans in these particular ideals than you do, because I actually believe in something, while you and your lib friends' only platform is to tear down, criticize, bash, and act as elitists. You will not win elections that way. You stand for nothing, you are against everything. Your time of fooling the American people is a thing of the past. Your time of power and influence in government is over. It doesn't matter how loudly you scream, the louder you get the more you turn people off. Keep up the good work; you're really doing us a favor.

You guys sound like warmongers. Are you two warmongers? (MonsterMark ans fossten)I am when we have to be.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

Fossten,

I disagree with your last statment. The louder we are the lower the President's numbers go.

You see, I spell President with a capital "P" because I respect the office. I don't however, respect the man. GWB has sold us a pack of lies that he will pay dearly for. He will be held accountable for fixing the facts about Iraq and their ability to deliver WMD.

Saddam didn't start this action. GWB's father failed to end the last one. Blame that on the Liberals.

Bryan,

Please get off the notion that invading Iraq had anything at all to do with 9/11. You've admitted that it was all about oil. Try to be consistant.Saddam didn't play by the rules. I would consider that starting something, wouldn't you?

Sr. Bush listened to the doves who said Saddam would abide by the rules of the cease-fire. Sr. was wrong. So why should GWB believe anything that Saddam would say or say he was going to do. I don't think I need to list all the sanctions he violated, do I?

GWB wouldn't have had the grounds for going into Iraq based solely on the terrorist element. Why don't you guys understand that? We went in to finish what we started AFTER Saddam violated the peace accord. That is why we went in. That is what was voted on in the UN. How come you can't figure that out? It is the left that is mixing the 2 together. The fact that Saddam was harboring terrorists was just a bonus. And yes, in the end, this is all about oil. A peaceful middle-east means more oil for everyone.

We have not seen the tip of the iceberg yet when it comes to oil problems. China is already making moves in the Caspian Sea area, convincing the surrounding countries to toss us out. If they get control of that oil, we are in deep doodoo.

I need to finish building my ark so I can sail my family to Australia when the crap hits the fan. China is gonna run right over us in 15 years unless we have someone with balls like Bush in the Oval Office.

He will be held accountable for fixing the facts about Iraq and their ability to deliver WMD.Sorry Barry, but you can't impeach a whole Country. If Bush is guilty, we all are guilty.

Saddam was just a limp dick tyrant. He wasn't going anywhere. He was contained. He hadn't invaded anyone in quite a while. He was simply made an example of so GWB could start his cockfight with the Koreans.

I say finish the job as soon as possible and bring the soldiers home to protect our borders. What would 140,000 guard towers do for our porous borders? The Iraqi people don't want us there anyway.

Let me ask you Bryan. If there was a band of criminals operating in your neighborhood wouldn't you be the first to organize a "clensing" of the problem? Where are the Iraqi people in all this? Why haven't they risen against their tormentors?

Sorry Barry, but you can't impeach a whole Country. If Bush is guilty, we all are guilty.

In case you hadn't noticed, there's a difference between believing a lie and telling one.

He hadn't invaded anyone in quite a while.?I guess we should have waited for him to go at it again, huh.He was simply made an example of so GWB could start his cockfight with the Koreans.?Sorry. Iran is next. Korea will have to wait. We already have the guys over there in the sand box to do the job.

The Iraqi people don't want us there anyway.? I don't know where you get your news but the last 'info' I read was that a majority of Iraqis supported our actions and want us to be there to keep them safe.

Where are the Iraqi people in all this? Why haven't they risen against their tormentors?Once again one has to look at history. When the Iraqi people tried to stand up to Saddam they were gassed or put in torture chambers. If you spoke up you were pulled out of bed and shot in the head. After the 1st Gulf War we promised the Iraqis support in the north and we abandoned them and Saddam slaughtered them. Why would they believe we would not abandon them again? Look at all the lefties that want us to turn tail and run. We can't be trusted because our media makes sure we can't be trusted. Once the Iraqis know we are in it for the long haul, they'll step up to the plate.

Long haul? This isn't a long haul? There was and is no exit plan. How can there be an end?

Long haul? This isn't a long haul? There was and is no exit plan. How can there be an end?

Big whoop, there wasn't an exit plan in WWII, either, it took us 50 years to pull out of Germany, and we still are Japan's only defense. What's your hurry? Don't you want the Iraqi people to be left in a safe position? Or do you favor abandoning them and leaving the door open for an even worse dictator to take over? Or even IRAN ITSELF? You'd probably like to see us run like we did in Vietnam. Talk about a warmonger. The only stabilizing force in that region right now is the good ol' USA. Understand this: It does not serve our country's best interest to pull out of Iraq right now. You all cry that we didn't finish the job in Afghanistan, but you want us to pull out of Iraq before that job's done. Quit talking out of both sides of your mouths. It makes no sense.

You all cry that we didn't finish the job in Afghanistan, but you want us to pull out of Iraq before that job's done.

You've never heard me say that. GW's already burnt that bridge & cut off that limb for turning back, we are now in free-fall and its only a matter of time before we crash into the ground. But really, is an exit plan too much to expect? Apparently w/ BuSh in the oval office, it is!

You've never heard me say that. GW's already burnt that bridge & cut off that limb for turning back, we are now in free-fall and its only a matter of time before we crash into the ground. But really, is an exit plan too much to expect? Apparently w/ BuSh in the oval office, it is!

What do you care? You're not even over there fighting. You're back here undermining our troops with your anti-war and anti-American rhetoric. And I'd be curious to hear you describe, in detail, how we are going to crash into the ground, since you seem to be able to tell the future.

What do you care?

Because I'm an AMERICAN and I LOVE my country! I can't stand to see it led down the long painful path of destruction that GW and all the rest of his blood-profiteers has taken us.

You're not even over there fighting. You're back here undermining our troops with your anti-war and anti-American rhetoric.

:bsflag: , and that's all I'm going to say about that.


And I'd be curious to hear you describe, in detail, how we are going to crash into the ground, since you seem to be able to tell the future.

Read the other thread about AlQuida nukes already in the US.

Read the other thread about AlQuida nukes already in the US.

If that story is true, then those nukes arrived most likely when Clinton was in office. I'm sure you won't even bother to consider that, though, since Clinton was your boy. Can't go criticizing the only Dem Prez in the last 25 years.

You are absolutely naive to think that if we kiss the butts of the terrorists enough they will decide not to use the nukes. They attacked us without provocation on 9/11 when we weren't even prepping for war. Nothing we say to the terrorists will make a bit of difference. The only solution is to destroy them before they get another chance to attack.

Your comment shows your ignorance of how the radical terrorist thinks, and shows your short-sightedness in conceiving the timetable in which these nukes, if they exist in the US at all, came to be here. Your willingness to blame Bush for the so-called nukes shows your immaturity and irrationality.

Your comment shows your ignorance of how the radical terrorist thinks, and shows your short-sightedness in conceiving the timetable in which these nukes, if they exist in the US at all, came to be here. Your willingness to blame Bush for the so-called nukes shows your immaturity and irrationality.

Look in the mirror before you go off calling anyone short sighted and ignorant.

9/11 was "un-provoked"?? Now THAT is the most naive, shortsighted, ignorant statement you've made yet. The US has been acting like the proverbial bull in the china shop in the middle east (and elsewhere) for several administrations. You can't go around sticking a prod into a hornets nest and not expect to get some retaliation. You RWWs dream of "destroying the terrorists", and can't comprehend the fact that there is no way in hell that could EVER be accomplished. Ridding this planet of cockroaches would be easier.

WHEN these "so-called nukes" came into this country is totally irrelevant. Hypothetically speaking as if they do in fact exist, BuSh had the oppertunity to make a difference and focus our resources towards finding and eliminating them, but instead he's distracted our energy and blood-resources towards an empty well. For you RWWs to continue to advocate those actions and the "so-called leader" who has taken us down that wrong path only makes you look ignorant, simple minded and a traitor.
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