I have a '95 Deville, and it hasn't exactly been the most reliable car, not to mention, eats oil like crazy. I was thinking of going Lincoln next time around, but do the newer Caddies have better reliability?

You would think that a manufacturer would learn from past mistakes and improve on the new model especially when its the same type of engine. In my mind the Towncar is one of the most reliable cars out there. I have seen many people out there with over 300,000 miles on their towncar and still ridin' strong.

Rats, so I guess the answer is no? :)

However, the styling and interior and handling of the Deville is much nicer than the TC.

no, no its not.

i have a 95 towncar with 215,000 miles and it starts and runs great every time. i like the styling of lincoln alot better than cadillacs. i like the late fleetwoods though.
=Derek=

the earlier 4.6 in the lincolns had a problem with some i believe valve stem gaskets drying out, but was not expensive or very difficult to fix and was fixed on 98+ possibly earlier. I've heard the northstars can last but require that you do frequent maintnance. Not problem fixes but rather just that you keep up on the fluid change schedule. I've had a 5.0 91 t-bird and bought it at 28,000 miles and kept it till about 70k using synthetic oil and neaver had a problem. We bought it in 96 and kept it about 6 years. Then a 93 vic with the 4.6 which i did replace those gaskets but it wansn't really a problem yet but at 90k i wanted to replace them while i had the money. But when i got my 98 towncar I did find that reliability did seem to be rated higher and from talking to owners got the same impression. Though maintnance might equal the driveline reliability many people don't and with a used car you can't fix their laziness. And things like window motors etc... also seemed more frequent of a problem on the cadis. Plus the clincher was no rwd after 96.

Nah, nah, nah.. . you're all way off! Go for the power of Northstar and trade it in, later. lol ... Seriously, the newer Devilles are much more reliable from what I heard.

Buy a 2000-2005 Deville. It'll kick the Lincoln in the ass every time. And the Northstar engine is a treat to drive. And starting 2000, the Deville was the first car to use LED rear tail lights...and wow are they brilliant. Take note next time you're behind one. People will definately see when you hit the brakes. What's lincoln using.. . ehemm.. incandesant light bulbs.. :sleep: ..lol.
I bought an '03 Deville and she's a real screamer. I love to surprise the kiddies in thier infinities and such. I get some strange looks, nobody expects it at all!!
I was told by a guy at Caddilac that the newer Northstar is a racing engine and thus, will use a small bit of oil over time. That's all I know about that.
Is Lincoln still using Airsprings in the newer Town Cars?

Oh, my other cars are Lincolns :Beer

here is alittle info for those who no nothing about the northstar engine......http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us100232.htm

Thankshere is alittle info for those who no nothing about the northstar engine......http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us100232.htm

Thanks
I drive a 1996 Deville. Love it and the Northstar engine, your link helps me understand it a little bit better. Thanks again - Arkietwo

here is alittle info for those who no nothing about the northstar engine......http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us100232.htm

Mike, That's an awesome info-link...

Thank you!
Cheers,

The Northstar consumes oil for no reason I had an STS and at 80000 miles it was using about 11/2 quarts of oil per tank of gas. The dealer found nothing wrong and contacted the tech support and was told this was normal and within Cadillacs acceptabl guidelines. Thus I now drive a 97 Mark VIII I have 122000 miles and use no oil,have had no suspension problems. The only thing to ever go bad was the blend door actuator. :L

I hear that 01-05 are the best years. 00 had the most problems, with the dash rolling up and cam sensor problems etc. A 300 N* Deville DTS will kick the crap out of a 232 hp 4.6 Town car in almost every way. The only thing i like about the town car is that its rwd. I like the newer styling but other then that its a crown vic plain and simple.

first i could never drive an oil burning northstar and would not own a car where when the enigne goes it would cost 8000 dollars to replace LOL

Nah, nah, nah.. . you're all way off! Go for the power of Northstar and trade it in, later. lol ... Seriously, the newer Devilles are much more reliable from what I heard.

Buy a 2000-2005 Deville. It'll kick the Lincoln in the ass every time. And the Northstar engine is a treat to drive. And starting 2000, the Deville was the first car to use LED rear tail lights...and wow are they brilliant. Take note next time you're behind one. People will definately see when you hit the brakes. What's lincoln using.. . ehemm.. incandesant light bulbs.. :sleep: ..lol.
I bought an '03 Deville and she's a real screamer. I love to surprise the kiddies in thier infinities and such. I get some strange looks, nobody expects it at all!!
I was told by a guy at Caddilac that the newer Northstar is a racing engine and thus, will use a small bit of oil over time. That's all I know about that.
Is Lincoln still using Airsprings in the newer Town Cars?

whats wrong with incandesant bulbs?
and i love the air spring suspenion.. your deville have the magnetic ride control? just wait till that goes bad and you have to replace it.. ouch.

whats wrong with incandesant bulbs?
and i love the air spring suspenion.. your deville have the magnetic ride control? just wait till that goes bad and you have to replace it.. ouch.


Well, the town car guys know about bad suspensions since half of them lose their air ride and end up looking like low riders that cost alot to repair.


If you want acceleration, luxury and class then go for the caddy. If you want a crown vic with a leather interior and some wood panels then by all means go for the town car. BTW 230 hp in a car that heavy is going to make run like 17 seconds in the 1/4 compared to the 15.5 the Deville DTS would run
Also, the reason why a n* is 8 grand is because its a pretty sophisticated motor. Also its tried and true otherwise why would gm be using it for over 10 years?

yeah but compared to the devvile the town car youses like no oil man
the caddy on top of a oil change every 5 k atleast if not ever 3 k
you have to ad atleast like 2 or 3 qourts of oil every 5 k on top of the oil change form wha i have seen if your not doing that then you gona be screwed one day
our town cars oil change every 3 to 5 optional and not extra oil needed unless you want to

suspension lasts about the same from what i have heard just your caddy cost alot more to fixe then our linconlns man

Well, the town car guys know about bad suspensions since half of them lose their air ride and end up looking like low riders that cost alot to repair.


If you want acceleration, luxury and class then go for the caddy. If you want a crown vic with a leather interior and some wood panels then by all means go for the town car. BTW 230 hp in a car that heavy is going to make run like 17 seconds in the 1/4 compared to the 15.5 the Deville DTS would run
Also, the reason why a n* is 8 grand is because its a pretty sophisticated motor. Also its tried and true otherwise why would gm be using it for over 10 years?

Trust me, that magnetic ride control is going to go bad, call me and let me know how much it costs when that time comes. 817 688 1472

lincolns air suspension is cheap to repair. We only paid $250 to replace it in my first town car.

Tried and true? The northstar was a pos in the 90's. It amazes me how cadillac sold that many sh*tty cars during the 90s based solely on a name.. Everyone i know with a 90's model caddy has had nothing but problems with it.

If you want acceleration.. you shouldnt look to a 4300lb sedan to satisfy that. the dts in terms of hp is not comparable to the towncar. 300hp vs 230hp is not even an argument. But in terms of torque produced in relation to hp, lincoln comes out ahead. the numbers arent as high, but the ratio is higher. I have driven a few caddies.. I dont like the fwd.. I know for a fact my 99 tc will stomp the :q:q:q:q out of the n* 96 deville my old boss had.. i drove that car on several occasions.

comparing the crown vic to the town car is old and lame.. find a new argument. they share a platform.. get over it.

Ive never understood why its always been acceptable for gm to release the same thing with a different name but when ford does anything like that there is nothing but critisicm for it.

i.e. GM, CHEVROLET and CADILLAC trucks and suvs.. they are all the exct same thing.. one says crapillac on the sides, one says gmc and the other says chevrolet..
Escalades are jokes..
The 90something buick roadmaster and the comparable year fleetwoods are same effing car.

there may have been a few design hues taken from the towncar for the crown vic.. Maybe that was to give the crown vic a little more class than most "baseline family sedans" ? None of the body panels are the same, the lincoln frame is hydroformed, air suspension, better quality everything, different designed interior, higher compression engine. In fact.. Im going to start calling your deville a park avenue if you keep calling my town car a crown vic.
I know what i had to choose from when i bought my car.. and i know what i picked.. and it damn sure wasnt a deville.

The northstar was nothing but a rushed intech rip off.. and chevy is still paying for that one..


Atleast my car wont leak 2 quarts of oil from the factory.
have fun with that 7 quart oil pan.
Fck the N*. people like you make me even more loyal to what i like.


Anything chevy makes is nothing but an overglorified economy car and anything beyond that is a copy from someone else.Their originality was lost in the 70s when they were tyring to catch up with everyone else to avoid bankruptcy.

I just cant trust anything that comes from a company that produced a roster of cream puffs like the chevy celebrity, the 80s pontiac le mans and SATURN.

Atleast ford never had the genius idea to produce the corvair or saddle tanks.

You can stop trying to start sh*t that isnt there now. I didnt make a stab at your car...

*owned*

Trust me, that magnetic ride control is going to go bad, call me and let me know how much it costs when that time comes. 817 688 1472

lincolns air suspension is cheap to repair. We only paid $250 to replace it in my first town car.

Tried and true? The northstar was a pos in the 90's. It amazes me how cadillac sold that many sh*tty cars during the 90s based solely on a name.. Everyone i know with a 90's model caddy has had nothing but problems with it.

If you want acceleration.. you shouldnt look to a 4300lb sedan to satisfy that. the dts in terms of hp is not comparable to the towncar. 300hp vs 230hp is not even an argument. But in terms of torque produced in relation to hp, lincoln comes out ahead. the numbers arent as high, but the ratio is higher. I have driven a few caddies.. I dont like the fwd.. I know for a fact my 99 tc will stomp the :q:q:q:q out of the n* 96 deville my old boss had.. i drove that car on several occasions.

comparing the crown vic to the town car is old and lame.. find a new argument. they share a platform.. get over it.

Ive never understood why its always been acceptable for gm to release the same thing with a different name but when ford does anything like that there is nothing but critisicm for it.

i.e. GM, CHEVROLET and CADILLAC trucks and suvs.. they are all the exct same thing.. one says crapillac on the sides, one says gmc and the other says chevrolet..
Escalades are jokes..
The 90something buick roadmaster and the comparable year fleetwoods are same effing car.

there may have been a few design hues taken from the towncar for the crown vic.. Maybe that was to give the crown vic a little more class than most "baseline family sedans" ? None of the body panels are the same, the lincoln frame is hydroformed, air suspension, better quality everything, different designed interior, higher compression engine. In fact.. Im going to start calling your deville a park avenue if you keep calling my town car a crown vic.
I know what i had to choose from when i bought my car.. and i know what i picked.. and it damn sure wasnt a deville.

The northstar was nothing but a rushed intech rip off.. and chevy is still paying for that one..


Atleast my car wont leak 2 quarts of oil from the factory.
have fun with that 7 quart oil pan.
Fck the N*. people like you make me even more loyal to what i like.


Anything chevy makes is nothing but an overglorified economy car and anything beyond that is a copy from someone else.Their originality was lost in the 70s when they were tyring to catch up with everyone else to avoid bankruptcy.

I just cant trust anything that comes from a company that produced a roster of cream puffs like the chevy celebrity, the 80s pontiac le mans and SATURN.

Atleast ford never had the genius idea to produce the corvair or saddle tanks.

You can stop trying to start sh*t that isnt there now. I didnt make a stab at your car...

*owned*
wow
do i Agree Man

Trust me, that magnetic ride control is going to go bad, call me and let me know how much it costs when that time comes. 817 688 1472

lincolns air suspension is cheap to repair. We only paid $250 to replace it in my first town car.

Tried and true? The northstar was a pos in the 90's. It amazes me how cadillac sold that many sh*tty cars during the 90s based solely on a name.. Everyone i know with a 90's model caddy has had nothing but problems with it.

If you want acceleration.. you shouldnt look to a 4300lb sedan to satisfy that. the dts in terms of hp is not comparable to the towncar. 300hp vs 230hp is not even an argument. But in terms of torque produced in relation to hp, lincoln comes out ahead. the numbers arent as high, but the ratio is higher. I have driven a few caddies.. I dont like the fwd.. I know for a fact my 99 tc will stomp the :q:q:q:q out of the n* 96 deville my old boss had.. i drove that car on several occasions.

comparing the crown vic to the town car is old and lame.. find a new argument. they share a platform.. get over it.

Ive never understood why its always been acceptable for gm to release the same thing with a different name but when ford does anything like that there is nothing but critisicm for it.

i.e. GM, CHEVROLET and CADILLAC trucks and suvs.. they are all the exct same thing.. one says crapillac on the sides, one says gmc and the other says chevrolet..
Escalades are jokes..
The 90something buick roadmaster and the comparable year fleetwoods are same effing car.

there may have been a few design hues taken from the towncar for the crown vic.. Maybe that was to give the crown vic a little more class than most "baseline family sedans" ? None of the body panels are the same, the lincoln frame is hydroformed, air suspension, better quality everything, different designed interior, higher compression engine. In fact.. Im going to start calling your deville a park avenue if you keep calling my town car a crown vic.
I know what i had to choose from when i bought my car.. and i know what i picked.. and it damn sure wasnt a deville.

The northstar was nothing but a rushed intech rip off.. and chevy is still paying for that one..


Atleast my car wont leak 2 quarts of oil from the factory.
have fun with that 7 quart oil pan.
Fck the N*. people like you make me even more loyal to what i like.


Anything chevy makes is nothing but an overglorified economy car and anything beyond that is a copy from someone else.Their originality was lost in the 70s when they were tyring to catch up with everyone else to avoid bankruptcy.

I just cant trust anything that comes from a company that produced a roster of cream puffs like the chevy celebrity, the 80s pontiac le mans and SATURN.

Atleast ford never had the genius idea to produce the corvair or saddle tanks.

You can stop trying to start sh*t that isnt there now. I didnt make a stab at your car...

*owned*
The deville out classes the TC in every aspect. Acceleration, handleing, interior better recognized name plate as a luxury manufacturer. Better resale. Plus caddy doesnt share platforms with lesser manufactures (except escalade and that hasnt hurt its resale since the truck has become so popular). I can get almost any ford product in a lincoln or mercury version. This is bad since it hurts the luxury line up resale wise.

For the 90's both caddy and lincoln sucked. As lincoln sits right now its just starting to regain its status as a luxury line up. Before it was more classed with Buick. For caddy they are moving in a better direction and the only platforms they share are xlr with the vette and escalade. The rest are sigma based and cant be hand in any other division.

GM shares platforms and ford does as well, no use debating it. Its just when it comes to luxury cars like i said earlier they lose value if their is a 22k dollar base model as a ford compared to the 58k dollar luxury lincoln version.

Ford has made pleanty of crap products in its day escourt just to name one

I am not debating manufactures just the two cars. Town Car and Deville. Both ford and GM have their problems, GM just has less :N

Also it is prob not wise to post your phone number since i am likely to get drunk and prank you at 3am :N :give

both cars are good , you have your reason and we have ours.

Ahhh.. . but you're forgetting the '00-'05 LED tail lights in the caddy, designed by HP. :wrench
LOL.. .seriously though. Lincoln and Cadillac are, quite obviously, two different classes of car.

Magnetic ride control?.. . not all of the Devilles have it so I don't share the potential BS, he's talking about.

I don't go by manufacturer, I go by what I like at the time. I love my '03 GM Caddy, but I will never forget the lame GM BullSh*t from the 70's to mid 80's... self destructing interiors, troublesome digital dashes, wobbly side windows, disintegrating poly body panels (ie: the caddy tail extensions), and lets not ever forget... the cheap-ass door hinges used on Buicks to Cameros which led to that sagging door crap!! :Bang Lincolns and Fords had equally heavy doors and had NO sagging problems at all! *owned*

My 85 Mark VII has poly panels that are still as pliable as when new. Show me an '85 GM vehicle that can bost the same?

Aw, well, that's my years of observation. But I think GM has corrected many of these problems over the years and I like many of their new products.

Cheers,

Ahhh.. . but you're forgetting the '00-'05 LED tail lights in the caddy, designed by HP. :wrench
LOL.. .seriously though. Lincoln and Cadillac are, quite obviously, two different classes of car.

Magnetic ride control?.. . not all of the Devilles have it so I don't share the potential BS, he's talking about.

I don't go by manufacturer, I go by what I like at the time. I love my '03 GM Caddy, but I will never forget the lame GM BullSh*t from the 70's to mid 80's... self destructing interiors, troublesome digital dashes, wobbly side windows, disintegrating poly body panels (ie: the caddy tail extensions), and lets not ever forget... the cheap-ass door hinges used on Buicks to Cameros which led to that sagging door crap!! :Bang Lincolns and Fords had equally heavy doors and had NO sagging problems at all! *owned*

My 85 Mark VII has poly panels that are still as pliable as when new. Show me an '85 GM vehicle that can bost the same?

Aw, well, that's my years of observation. But I think GM has corrected many of these problems over the years and I like many of their new products.

Cheers,

I agree with you, i tend to like GM cars more since i know more about them, however if a manufactuer makes a car i like i buy it. Brand loyalty is dumb these days since no matter what you buy its from canada or mexico and it is going to have problems.


Right now i am looking at a Lincoln LS V8 sport.

Ahhh.. . but you're forgetting the '00-'05 LED tail lights in the caddy, designed by HP. :wrench
LOL.. .seriously though. Lincoln and Cadillac are, quite obviously, two different classes of car.

Magnetic ride control?.. . not all of the Devilles have it so I don't share the potential BS, he's talking about.

I don't go by manufacturer, I go by what I like at the time. I love my '03 GM Caddy, but I will never forget the lame GM BullSh*t from the 70's to mid 80's... self destructing interiors, troublesome digital dashes, wobbly side windows, disintegrating poly body panels (ie: the caddy tail extensions), and lets not ever forget... the cheap-ass door hinges used on Buicks to Cameros which led to that sagging door crap!! :Bang Lincolns and Fords had equally heavy doors and had NO sagging problems at all! *owned*

My 85 Mark VII has poly panels that are still as pliable as when new. Show me an '85 GM vehicle that can bost the same?

Aw, well, that's my years of observation. But I think GM has corrected many of these problems over the years and I like many of their new products.

Cheers,

I still dont understand what is wrong with incandescent bulbs..
personally, i think the taillights on the deville are uglier than sin..
the 00-05 deville is a good looking car. definately the only attractive design they have come up with since the mid 90's sts.

Im not a brand loyalist.. but i know what i like and what i can afford. If i had the money id be driving a jaguar or an ls430.

I will say this about gm. uhaul just came out with brand new 26' JH trucks... theyre all gmc. a lot of them are going back to gm for major engine overhauling.. and these trucks are 2-4 months old.

The deville out classes the TC in every aspect. Acceleration, handleing, interior better recognized name plate as a luxury manufacturer. Better resale. Plus caddy doesnt share platforms with lesser manufactures (except escalade and that hasnt hurt its resale since the truck has become so popular). I can get almost any ford product in a lincoln or mercury version. This is bad since it hurts the luxury line up resale wise.

For the 90's both caddy and lincoln sucked. As lincoln sits right now its just starting to regain its status as a luxury line up. Before it was more classed with Buick. For caddy they are moving in a better direction and the only platforms they share are xlr with the vette and escalade. The rest are sigma based and cant be hand in any other division.

GM shares platforms and ford does as well, no use debating it. Its just when it comes to luxury cars like i said earlier they lose value if their is a 22k dollar base model as a ford compared to the 58k dollar luxury lincoln version.

Ford has made pleanty of crap products in its day escourt just to name one

I am not debating manufactures just the two cars. Town Car and Deville. Both ford and GM have their problems, GM just has less :N

Also it is prob not wise to post your phone number since i am likely to get drunk and prank you at 3am :N :give

Youre just upset because my keyless entry is better than yours :N

take it from me, ford tech for 10+ years, caddilac tech for 2.5+ untill i got my dream job.. the caddy is faster and i think more stylin in 02+ years, you can keep the old crap, problems,problems,problems... examples you say...crankcase oil leaks, common over 60k, pays 25 hours and parts like $600, did like 7 a month, liked those.... alternators like 2 a week, no starts were crank sensors, very common, hub bearings common, trans problem... input shaft speed sensors 2 a month, torque convertors for slip speed codes, lots of them... and best of all they puked out head gaskets if you overheat it once, problem is the block strips out when you go to put the heads back on, even with new bolts, cure... "threadserts" cost the poor basterd that owned it 8 additional hours on top of his head gasket job and like $50 for the serts..then they could pull out if not done very carefully... however as far as interior, drivability, and yes the neato led tailamps, the caddy seems better to me. the fords however never came in for much of anything powertrain wise, mostly maintaince, but those damn mark vIII"s and there modules were fun at times,but were far!!!!!!! less problematic than the caddy's "hands down".......................

didn't realize this thread was still going! ended up with an LS '02 V-6 this summer. :)

Last month traded my 1998 deville(with 57000 miles) on a 2001 town car
due to what my mechanic told me what might be the start of a head gasket
problem( note that i changed fluids regularly). First lincoln product and
while it does not have the power of the deville, it does ride smoother
and less noisy than the deville. i also like the interior seats better than the
Deville. Hope to have better luck with the town car.

Who wants a car named after some "snail eater" that founded Detroit? No offense to anyone in Detroit, but isnt it pretty shty? Half the people there are on welfare. Wheres Lincoln made? I do believe its in Wisconsin or something.

I don't go by manufacturer, I go by what I like at the time. I love my '03 GM Caddy, but I will never forget the lame GM BullSh*t from the 70's to mid 80's... self destructing interiors, troublesome digital dashes, wobbly side windows, disintegrating poly body panels (ie: the caddy tail extensions), and lets not ever forget... the cheap-ass door hinges used on Buicks to Cameros which led to that sagging door crap!! :Bang Lincolns and Fords had equally heavy doors and had NO sagging problems at all! My 85 Mark VII has poly panels that are still as pliable as when new. Show me an '85 GM vehicle that can bost the same? Cheers,

OK... If we're talkin about Ford vs. GM OEM problems...
Lets not EVER forget the PAINT PROBLEM that haunted FORD for years...!
I think Late 80's into Mid 90's. How many FORDS did we see going down the road with that Yellow Plastic showing through on the bumpers, or that primer look to the paint... Yeah, that was attractive...LOL Unfortunately folks, during that same period, foreign cars took a huge leap forward, and it was these type of OEM issues with the American cars that let that happen!!!!!

what about the ford pinto ? News: Mother Jones has obtained secret documents showing that for seven years the Ford Motor Company sold cars in which it knew hundreds of people would needlessly burn to death.

By Mark Dowie

September/October 1977 Issue
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1977/09/dowie.html

ALL CAR COMPANYS HAVE HAD THERE PROBLEMS !!
"BUT" "BUT" IF you add them all up, GM IS THE BEST !!
I hav been working on cars for over 32 years, And the ONLY car that I will buy is, "GM" !!!
And I go buy the cost of parts and how often a car needs to be worked on. So you could not make me buy a ford a ( fu**** old rebuild dodge) ( that is a JOKE so dont get mad ). And as far as ALL Imports go, for every 4 of them that are sold in the great old USA it cost us one US JOB. So I will NEVER buy a import sardeen can.

Lincoln is made in Wixom, Michigan.

Wow, Nokoa!
Lol.. . don't take it so personally.

Bring your TownCar and I'll run you with my A/c "ON". :wrench

Incandescent bulbs are getting to be a thing of the past. Why do you think School buses and city vehicles are going LED? They command better attention and prevent rear-end collisions. Police vehicles have also adapted the LED emergency lights for their effectiveness and power consumption efficiency.
The Deville LED tails were designed by HP (the computer company), I wouldn't say that's a lame company.

I'm guessing you still own Black & White TV's and think that color is BS!.. ;)

... but seriously, incadescents are fine. But LED's are a step-up.

If you want to debate that, then contact the high-dollar car manufacturers who are converting to LED's. Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, Infinity...

Let us know what they say. We'd love it.

As for your keyless entry... car thieves have diagrams on which wires to connect to gain access, after they "pop" your keypad out of the door.

..

i didnt take anything personal, im glad after a month of asking you inally gave me an answer. Led tail lights, look like crap in my opinion. i dont like the decay rate of the light. i dont think the cadillac tailights are all led though. i was looking and i think its a bar of like 6 that lights the entire thing up. im probably wrong on that one though, but thats what it looked like to me. doesnt matter, because i dont find them attractive.if youve got a dts, you could probably take me... let me put the cold air induction, exhuast and j mod and ill leave you in the dust.
no, i own color tvs.... im not old enough to appreciate black and white tv's or anything with out independant rear suspension.
the keypad has saved my as$ on more than one occassion... and its very convienient if i dont want to carry me keys around and leave them under the seat... if they get past the keypad, then i guess theyre taking what they want with our without my keys...

well after 4 hours of sleep im off to work a 10 hour day...

The kids at my school are always opening my door with the keyless entry. maybe because theres more then one code set? i dont know. if i delete all the codes it deletes my remote to, but i can reset it right?

you can reset your door code... i made mine personal. if its not in your owners guide, let me know and ill tell you how.

hahaha. tonight my mother and i went out for dinner, and i pointed out a dts to her.. she said "eww looks like an impala" hahaha

you can reset your door code... i made mine personal. if its not in your owners guide, let me know and ill tell you how.



Thanks, but I read in the manual that i can never get rid of the original code, or is there a special way to do it?

Last month traded my 1998 deville(with 57000 miles) on a 2001 town car
due to what my mechanic told me what might be the start of a head gasket
problem( note that i changed fluids regularly). First lincoln product and
while it does not have the power of the deville, it does ride smoother
and less noisy than the deville. i also like the interior seats better than the
Deville. Hope to have better luck with the town car.
Well, cripes mate... this thread isn't for 98's. That's a different animal.
This is for 2000 or 2001 - 2004 devilles.
Sorry you're having head gasket problems. That can suck.

Oh - The new '06 DTS? ... don't like that! . looks like a Monte Carlo from the rear.
I hope they don't go backwards with styling because of gas prices, like they did in the early 80's... what a klusterf*ck those days were for car designs. lol !

ha , the 06 dts is a waste of space on the outside. the ass end looks like a chrysler new yorker... totally ugly. the interior is nice as hell though.

There's never been a 4.6l put in a Town Car thats been faster than a Northstar.The Northstar out performs any Lincoln engine in every aspect.
About the suspention issue.My uncles suspention went dead in his TC with a mear 60K miles.1,700$ a shock from the dealer.My beater 1990 Coupe Deville with 425k miles is still riding on the same shocks bud.Also,the same engine and trans.Not a problem with either ever.The Northstar also doesn't "burn" oil.It consumes it.Theres a difference.There a reason that they take 7.5 quarts.Its because they consume the oil.Which this was a problem when it came out as well as the leaks.Its a brand new engine at the time.Its going to have its bad parts.Just about everything is worked out of these engines today.Which with DOD,limp mode and their other amazing features makes the Northstar one of the most technologically advanced engines on the planet and making it a top contendor on the market.
Who ever said a Cadillac is the same a Buick or Chevy or some crap...your a damn moron.Just because everything Lincoln makes resembles a Ford or Mercury in one way or another,does'nt make it the same with a Caddy.Whether you want to hear it or not,the Crown Vic is the same thing as a TC and Grand Marquis.The only thing Cadillac makes similar is the Escalade.Who gives,its a damn TRUCK.Other than that Cadillac has NOTHING in common with anything other GM.Lincoln doesn't even compete with Cadillac on todays market.There so far behind its pathetic.But I guess you would be when your new TC's are riding on the 1975 TC chassis.Not to mention styling,especially todays Caddys,without a doubt smoke Lincolns old man look.Comfort is better also.

The new DTS took styling cues from the Sixteen.Notes the tail lights are similar.BTW,wheres Lincolns super luxury car concept?Can't come up with one?Wheres Lincolns performance division?Can't come up with one of those either huh.Hows Lincolns sales over seas sales doing?Oh wait,they won't sell them overseas because there having a hard enough time selling cars in the states.Oh poo,thats too bad Lincoln.

Ive owned Cadillacs all my life.5 of which are Northstars.Ive heard horror stories but no experience with them.I love all my Caddies.I won't buy anything else.They have always been good to me.I mean come on,I have a 16 year old Coupe Deville with 425K miles,the car has been through a flood and still doing burnouts with the car.All I have replaced was 2 ball joints and the axels.It rides great.Still only has one shock bounchback,handles good.I could'nt ask for better.And yes,I have owned it since new.I currently have a 2002 ETC and theres not a stock 5.0 Stang that can touch me.Yet alone anything Lincoln.They just need to step it up but they won't.They need to change there design themes,but won't.Look what Cadillac did.They knew what the consumer wanted.They gave the consumer that.Look where they are now.There out of their slump.They added to their return with the V Series to compete with the M and AMG Series and there doing good.Take a lesson Lincoln.Make CHANGE.Thats why Im not a fan of the cars because Ford refuses to spend money to make what was once a great car,great again.

There's never been a 4.6l put in a Town Car thats been faster than a Northstar.The Northstar out performs any Lincoln engine in every aspect.
About the suspention issue.My uncles suspention went dead in his TC with a mear 60K miles.1,700$ a shock from the dealer.My beater 1990 Coupe Deville with 425k miles is still riding on the same shocks bud.Also,the same engine and trans.Not a problem with either ever.The Northstar also doesn't "burn" oil.It consumes it.Theres a difference.There a reason that they take 7.5 quarts.Its because they consume the oil.Which this was a problem when it came out as well as the leaks.Its a brand new engine at the time.Its going to have its bad parts.Just about everything is worked out of these engines today.Which with DOD,limp mode and their other amazing features makes the Northstar one of the most technologically advanced engines on the planet and making it a top contendor on the market.
Who ever said a Cadillac is the same a Buick or Chevy or some crap...your a damn moron.Just because everything Lincoln makes resembles a Ford or Mercury in one way or another,does'nt make it the same with a Caddy.Whether you want to hear it or not,the Crown Vic is the same thing as a TC and Grand Marquis.The only thing Cadillac makes similar is the Escalade.Who gives,its a damn TRUCK.Other than that Cadillac has NOTHING in common with anything other GM.Lincoln doesn't even compete with Cadillac on todays market.There so far behind its pathetic.But I guess you would be when your new TC's are riding on the 1975 TC chassis.Not to mention styling,especially todays Caddys,without a doubt smoke Lincolns old man look.Comfort is better also.

The new DTS took styling cues from the Sixteen.Notes the tail lights are similar.BTW,wheres Lincolns super luxury car concept?Can't come up with one?Wheres Lincolns performance division?Can't come up with one of those either huh.Hows Lincolns sales over seas sales doing?Oh wait,they won't sell them overseas because there having a hard enough time selling cars in the states.Oh poo,thats too bad Lincoln.

Ive owned Cadillacs all my life.5 of which are Northstars.Ive heard horror stories but no experience with them.I love all my Caddies.I won't buy anything else.They have always been good to me.I mean come on,I have a 16 year old Coupe Deville with 425K miles,the car has been through a flood and still doing burnouts with the car.All I have replaced was 2 ball joints and the axels.It rides great.Still only has one shock bounchback,handles good.I could'nt ask for better.And yes,I have owned it since new.I currently have a 2002 ETC and theres not a stock 5.0 Stang that can touch me.Yet alone anything Lincoln.They just need to step it up but they won't.They need to change there design themes,but won't.Look what Cadillac did.They knew what the consumer wanted.They gave the consumer that.Look where they are now.There out of their slump.They added to their return with the V Series to compete with the M and AMG Series and there doing good.Take a lesson Lincoln.Make CHANGE.Thats why Im not a fan of the cars because Ford refuses to spend money to make what was once a great car,great again.

There's never been a 4.6l put in a Town Car thats been faster than a Northstar.The Northstar out performs any Lincoln engine in every aspect.
About the suspention issue.My uncles suspention went dead in his TC with a mear 60K miles.1,700$ a shock from the dealer.My beater 1990 Coupe Deville with 425k miles is still riding on the same shocks bud.Also,the same engine and trans.Not a problem with either ever.The Northstar also doesn't "burn" oil.It consumes it.Theres a difference.There a reason that they take 7.5 quarts.Its because they consume the oil.Which this was a problem when it came out as well as the leaks.Its a brand new engine at the time.Its going to have its bad parts.Just about everything is worked out of these engines today.Which with DOD,limp mode and their other amazing features makes the Northstar one of the most technologically advanced engines on the planet and making it a top contendor on the market.
Who ever said a Cadillac is the same a Buick or Chevy or some crap...your a damn moron.Just because everything Lincoln makes resembles a Ford or Mercury in one way or another,does'nt make it the same with a Caddy.Whether you want to hear it or not,the Crown Vic is the same thing as a TC and Grand Marquis.The only thing Cadillac makes similar is the Escalade.Who gives,its a damn TRUCK.Other than that Cadillac has NOTHING in common with anything other GM.Lincoln doesn't even compete with Cadillac on todays market.There so far behind its pathetic.But I guess you would be when your new TC's are riding on the 1975 TC chassis.Not to mention styling,especially todays Caddys,without a doubt smoke Lincolns old man look.Comfort is better also.

The new DTS took styling cues from the Sixteen.Notes the tail lights are similar.BTW,wheres Lincolns super luxury car concept?Can't come up with one?Wheres Lincolns performance division?Can't come up with one of those either huh.Hows Lincolns sales over seas sales doing?Oh wait,they won't sell them overseas because there having a hard enough time selling cars in the states.Oh poo,thats too bad Lincoln.

Ive owned Cadillacs all my life.5 of which are Northstars.Ive heard horror stories but no experience with them.I love all my Caddies.I won't buy anything else.They have always been good to me.I mean come on,I have a 16 year old Coupe Deville with 425K miles,the car has been through a flood and still doing burnouts with the car.All I have replaced was 2 ball joints and the axels.It rides great.Still only has one shock bounchback,handles good.I could'nt ask for better.And yes,I have owned it since new.I currently have a 2002 ETC and theres not a stock 5.0 Stang that can touch me.Yet alone anything Lincoln.They just need to step it up but they won't.They need to change there design themes,but won't.Look what Cadillac did.They knew what the consumer wanted.They gave the consumer that.Look where they are now.There out of their slump.They added to their return with the V Series to compete with the M and AMG Series and there doing good.Take a lesson Lincoln.Make CHANGE.Thats why Im not a fan of the cars because Ford refuses to spend money to make what was once a great car,great again.


if you want to bring up prices on components, which is perfectly plausable.. why not ask the deakler how much, per wheel, it is to get the new magnetuc ride control replaced? and what about cadillacs WONDERF*CK of an air suspension system in the 90s? every cadillac i have seen with it has had a "check air suspension" parading across the dash.
consuming and leaking oil isnt the sign of a good engine. the northstar was a rushed production engine, hurried to get put out to compete with lincolns more superior, more well thought out, better over all, Intech 32v modular v8.
the overall design and component quality of the first 2 generation n* was total crap. starter in the intake plenum, thats genius!
limp home? my lincoln has that amazing feature, uh oh. the reaosnt he lincoln is still ridingo n a 25 yr old platform is because its an excellent platform. it does exactly what it needs to. its not like its riding on 1975 components... 5 star crash rating.. hmm... whats your deville? i mess with tons of cars at my job... give me a towncar over a deville anyday. wanna really argue?
give me a ls430 over any duckillac.
lincolns are great cars, you cant say they are anything less than great. what isnt great about a 5 star crash rating, superior ride, comfort and handling, more than adequate power, RWD!!!!!!!, alpine, auto dimming mirrors... i could go on. lincolns are totally elegant and luxurious cars, and the 03+ towncar has to be the sexiest car(next to mine) on the road. i will agree, some of the towncars styliong has been given to the grand marquise and crown vic.. but you know what? those 2 cars look way better than gms competing vehicles... buicks are sofaking ugly, the impala is a bland, oversized economy car... so in my opinion, it helped those 2 cars outclass anything gm has to offer in that competative sector. the zephyr is way more unique looking than any cadillac of today. the ls looks better than anything cadillac has ever offered. the mark lt is not only based off of a better truck than the escalanch, but it looks 10000 times better. the navigator, well, i dont even have to say anything about how it compares to the escalon yukalade.
the newer devilles almost look good. there is something goofy about them that i cant get over.
i dont understand why everyone says the towncar is underpowered... please, tell me what is underpowered? for what i do(im 21 mind you, and i have driven a :q:q:q:qton of cars and trucks) it is nothing short of competent.
ive got an f150 and a dodge 1500 sitting in my driveway, so if i need to tow a house, ill use one of them. ill buy a 03 cobra if i want power. ill buy a cadillac if i ever want problems.
its funny cadillac has to use something as catchy and trendy sounding as "magnetic ride control" to try and match(but not quite!) lincolns ride.
i will admit, the interior on the new dts is nice, but the exterior is very reminescent of a chrysler new yorker and a cts. blah. cant cadillac let anything have its own identity? or does it all have to look exactly the same?

There's never been a 4.6l put in a Town Car thats been faster than a Northstar.The Northstar out performs any Lincoln engine in every aspect.
About the suspention issue.My uncles suspention went dead in his TC with a mear 60K miles.1,700$ a shock from the dealer.My beater 1990 Coupe Deville with 425k miles is still riding on the same shocks bud.Also,the same engine and trans.Not a problem with either ever.The Northstar also doesn't "burn" oil.It consumes it.Theres a difference.There a reason that they take 7.5 quarts.Its because they consume the oil.Which this was a problem when it came out as well as the leaks.Its a brand new engine at the time.Its going to have its bad parts.Just about everything is worked out of these engines today.Which with DOD,limp mode and their other amazing features makes the Northstar one of the most technologically advanced engines on the planet and making it a top contendor on the market.
Who ever said a Cadillac is the same a Buick or Chevy or some crap...your a damn moron.Just because everything Lincoln makes resembles a Ford or Mercury in one way or another,does'nt make it the same with a Caddy.Whether you want to hear it or not,the Crown Vic is the same thing as a TC and Grand Marquis.The only thing Cadillac makes similar is the Escalade.Who gives,its a damn TRUCK.Other than that Cadillac has NOTHING in common with anything other GM.Lincoln doesn't even compete with Cadillac on todays market.There so far behind its pathetic.But I guess you would be when your new TC's are riding on the 1975 TC chassis.Not to mention styling,especially todays Caddys,without a doubt smoke Lincolns old man look.Comfort is better also.

The new DTS took styling cues from the Sixteen.Notes the tail lights are similar.BTW,wheres Lincolns super luxury car concept?Can't come up with one?Wheres Lincolns performance division?Can't come up with one of those either huh.Hows Lincolns sales over seas sales doing?Oh wait,they won't sell them overseas because there having a hard enough time selling cars in the states.Oh poo,thats too bad Lincoln.

Ive owned Cadillacs all my life.5 of which are Northstars.Ive heard horror stories but no experience with them.I love all my Caddies.I won't buy anything else.They have always been good to me.I mean come on,I have a 16 year old Coupe Deville with 425K miles,the car has been through a flood and still doing burnouts with the car.All I have replaced was 2 ball joints and the axels.It rides great.Still only has one shock bounchback,handles good.I could'nt ask for better.And yes,I have owned it since new.I currently have a 2002 ETC and theres not a stock 5.0 Stang that can touch me.Yet alone anything Lincoln.They just need to step it up but they won't.They need to change there design themes,but won't.Look what Cadillac did.They knew what the consumer wanted.They gave the consumer that.Look where they are now.There out of their slump.They added to their return with the V Series to compete with the M and AMG Series and there doing good.Take a lesson Lincoln.Make CHANGE.Thats why Im not a fan of the cars because Ford refuses to spend money to make what was once a great car,great again.


if you want to bring up prices on components, which is perfectly plausable.. why not ask the dealer how much, per wheel, it is to get the new magnetuc ride control replaced? and what about cadillacs WONDERF*CK of an air suspension system in the 90s? every cadillac i have seen with it has had a "check air suspension" parading across the dash.
consuming and leaking oil isnt the sign of a good engine. the northstar was a rushed production engine, hurried to get put out to compete with lincolns more superior, more well thought out, better over all, Intech 32v modular v8.
the overall design and component quality of the first 2 generation n* was total crap. starter in the intake plenum, thats genius!
limp home? my lincoln has that amazing feature, uh oh. the reaosnt he lincoln is still ridingo n a 25 yr old platform is because its an excellent platform. it does exactly what it needs to. its not like its riding on 1975 components... 5 star crash rating.. hmm... whats your deville? i mess with tons of cars at my job... give me a towncar over a deville anyday. wanna really argue?
give me a ls430 over any duckillac.
lincolns are great cars, you cant say they are anything less than great. what isnt great about a 5 star crash rating, superior ride, comfort and handling, more than adequate power, RWD!!!!!!!, alpine, auto dimming mirrors... i could go on. lincolns are totally elegant and luxurious cars, and the 03+ towncar has to be the sexiest car(next to mine) on the road. i will agree, some of the towncars styliong has been given to the grand marquise and crown vic.. but you know what? those 2 cars look way better than gms competing vehicles... buicks are sofaking ugly, the impala is a bland, oversized economy car... so in my opinion, it helped those 2 cars outclass anything gm has to offer in that competative sector. the zephyr is way more unique looking than any cadillac of today. the ls looks better than anything cadillac has ever offered. the mark lt is not only based off of a better truck than the escalanch, but it looks 10000 times better. the navigator, well, i dont even have to say anything about how it compares to the escalon yukalade.
the newer devilles almost look good. there is something goofy about them that i cant get over.
i dont understand why everyone says the towncar is underpowered... please, tell me what is underpowered? for what i do(im 21 mind you, and i have driven a :q:q:q:qton of cars and trucks) it is nothing short of competent.
ive got an f150 and a dodge 1500 sitting in my driveway, so if i need to tow a house, ill use one of them. ill buy a 03 cobra if i want power. ill buy a cadillac if i ever want problems.
its funny cadillac has to use something as catchy and trendy sounding as "magnetic ride control" to try and match(but not quite!) lincolns ride.
i will admit, the interior on the new dts is nice, but the exterior is very reminescent of a chrysler new yorker and a cts. blah. cant cadillac let anything have its own identity? or does it all have to look exactly the same?

Talking about the reliability, I was in New York about a month ago, and when I was going to the JFK to come back to Cali I used a cab and it was a 96 Town Car, that car had 435,000 mileson it, I was like damn! The 94-96 devilles look good though with some 20s. But the Town Car is rear drive plus the 95-97s are really nice looking too.

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if you want to bring up prices on components, which is perfectly plausable.. why not ask the dealer how much, per wheel, it is to get the new magnetuc ride control replaced? and what about cadillacs WONDERF*CK of an air suspension system in the 90s? every cadillac i have seen with it has had a "check air suspension" parading across the dash.
consuming and leaking oil isnt the sign of a good engine. the northstar was a rushed production engine, hurried to get put out to compete with lincolns more superior, more well thought out, better over all, Intech 32v modular v8.
the overall design and component quality of the first 2 generation n* was total crap. starter in the intake plenum, thats genius!
limp home? my lincoln has that amazing feature, uh oh. the reaosnt he lincoln is still ridingo n a 25 yr old platform is because its an excellent platform. it does exactly what it needs to. its not like its riding on 1975 components... 5 star crash rating.. hmm... whats your deville? i mess with tons of cars at my job... give me a towncar over a deville anyday. wanna really argue?
give me a ls430 over any duckillac.
lincolns are great cars, you cant say they are anything less than great. what isnt great about a 5 star crash rating, superior ride, comfort and handling, more than adequate power, RWD!!!!!!!, alpine, auto dimming mirrors... i could go on. lincolns are totally elegant and luxurious cars, and the 03+ towncar has to be the sexiest car(next to mine) on the road. i will agree, some of the towncars styliong has been given to the grand marquise and crown vic.. but you know what? those 2 cars look way better than gms competing vehicles... buicks are sofaking ugly, the impala is a bland, oversized economy car... so in my opinion, it helped those 2 cars outclass anything gm has to offer in that competative sector. the zephyr is way more unique looking than any cadillac of today. the ls looks better than anything cadillac has ever offered. the mark lt is not only based off of a better truck than the escalanch, but it looks 10000 times better. the navigator, well, i dont even have to say anything about how it compares to the escalon yukalade.
the newer devilles almost look good. there is something goofy about them that i cant get over.
i dont understand why everyone says the towncar is underpowered... please, tell me what is underpowered? for what i do(im 21 mind you, and i have driven a ton of cars and trucks) it is nothing short of competent.
ive got an f150 and a dodge 1500 sitting in my driveway, so if i need to tow a house, ill use one of them. ill buy a 03 cobra if i want power. ill buy a cadillac if i ever want problems.
its funny cadillac has to use something as catchy and trendy sounding as "magnetic ride control" to try and match(but not quite!) lincolns ride.
i will admit, the interior on the new dts is nice, but the exterior is very reminescent of a chrysler new yorker and a cts. blah. cant cadillac let anything have its own identity? or does it all have to look exactly the same?

Your right on the price of MRC.Thats because you get what you pay for.Those shocks will last for 15 years.Not to mention they are the most advanced shocks that you can get in a car.Giving you a ride a handling that a Lincoln can't conpare to.The Town Car can't handle for sh!t.The only car Lincoln has ever made with decent handling is the LS,and thats not even anything impressive.

Those Devilles you see are all 15 years old.Shocks are bound to go within that time period.Shocks are normal repairs,like breaks,that EVERY car needs at some point.My 1990 Coupe has over 400K miles on it and still riding on the same shocks.With one bounch back.I don't feel sh!t riding in that car.Tell you what,you see far more old Cadillacs on the road than Lincoln.And that is true everywhere I go.You also see far more Lincolns,not to mention,late 90's Lincoln in the junk yard and pick-a-parts around here than Cadillacs.Many which I have seen with not even 100 K on them and there dead.You want to explain to me all the Marks and Towncars sitting on the ground because the suspention is gone?My brother is just like you.Lincoln man.He drives a 1998 Mark,but is out of commision because the bags are dead.His beater Cavilier is currently carting him around.Oh and the Mark has a whopping 60K on it.

The Northstar is one of the most technologically advanced engines on the market.Nothing Lincoln puts under their hoods can compare,you know that inside.The horror oil stories are a thing of the past.The bugs are worked out.Every great engine has its beginning problems.Remember when the GM 3800 came out?Problems galour.Now there rated one of the best engines you can get in a car.The Northstar has not had their oil problems years.They were worked out about 6 years ago.Lincolns engine performance can't dream of standing up to that of the Northstar.They have to carry the most underpowered V8 out there.Hell,even the new Avalon has more HP and its a V6.And theres nothing wrong with coming out with a great engine to blow away the competition even more.

The Lincoln platform was a great platform back 20 years ago.It can't stand up to todays luxury platforms.Good system?Somewhat.Good today?No way.And do your research before posting,overall Deville crash test rating is also a five.Only difference is that Cadillac doesn'y need to advertise that to sells cars.There not that desperate.

Have you driven a new STS?The ride is very superior to Lincolns.Go see for yourself.Lincoln can't compare to Cadillacs handling.Im also not too fond of the TC's supportless seats.And the power,lets not go there.I'll take a 5.1 15 speaker surround sound Bose in my car anyday before an Alpine.What good is rear wheel drive when you can't drive it in the winter?Useless if you ask me.Unless your smart like Cadillac and go back to RWD and throw in AWD with it.And auto dimming mirrors isn't a Lincoln thing either.

Im not even going to go into styling.Its all an opinion and all I will say is look at sales.That out to be enough to tell you that people perfer Cadillacs styling over Linolns.And don't talk about the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis as if there in demand.Nobody buys those cars anymore.The Zephre is plain as day.Who likes lines that go no where.Looks like something Korean.Awfully bland and plain.The LS reminds me of a 1990 Grand Am.It just isn't appealing.It just doesn't catch the eye like a Cadillac does.How can you say the Mark LT looks better when there is no difference from the F-150 except a grill.At least you can tell an Escalade is an Escalade from a distance and not mistake it for anything Chevy.Thats nearly impossible with the Mark LT.Which I mght add,are hardly selling at all,almost like most Lincolns today.And you don't have to say anything about how it compares,because it doesn't.Thats why Escalade sales will always be ahead of any Lincoln truck.

The Town Car is underpowered by today's standards.There aren't too many luxury V8s left on the market with under 300 HP.Cadillac joined in starting this trend 13 years ago.

Whats trendy about MRC?Its simply a very advance system that is far better than Lincolns.MRC makes the ride better than Lincolns.And handling even better than Lincoln than it was before.MRC out performs most European Luxury cars.Lincoln can't touch it since they aren't better than anything BMW or MB can throw at them.The new DTS took styling cues from the Sixteen.Not the New Yorker.Notice the Sixteen and DTS share many cues especially in the rear.

sorry but the cadillac doesn't have a 5 star crash rating.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/safety.aspx?year=2005&make=Cadillac&model=DeVille&src=-1&tab=5&sub=-1
I have owned a 1988 cadillac deville which died at 240K and had its back dropped to the ground. I have went to lots of junk yards when I had the deville and they had plenty to chose from with about 110k on them. I can't even find one single 95 continental.

I am not saying the car wasn't great, it really drove smooth and rode great but gave too many problems. BTW how is your AC working in your car, cuz I had to spent about $500 and still wasn't fixed. I always had to do some kind of code on the AC buttons.

sorry but the cadillac doesn't have a 5 star crash rating.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/sa...1&tab=5&sub=-1
I have owned a 1988 cadillac deville which died at 240K and had its back dropped to the ground. I have went to lots of junk yards when I had the deville and they had plenty to chose from with about 110k on them. I can't even find one single 95 continental.

I am not saying the car wasn't great, it really drove smooth and rode great but gave too many problems. BTW how is your AC working in your car, cuz I had to spent about $500 and still wasn't fixed. I always had to do some kind of code on the AC buttons.

Sorry.My fault.I miss read the stars where i went.Its actually 4 stars.With a 5 star roll over.Which is better than good crash test rating anyhow.

You guys keep mentioning the dead shocks.Were you surprised when your 18 year old Cadillac with 240K miles had dead shocks?I hope not.And I can find late 90's Town Cars all over these yards.And actually,the Continental is the car that most populated the Lincoln section.I seldom see a Mark sitting there.But loads of Town Cars and Continentals.And they write the mileage on the fender so you know what you buying from.Not one had over 150K miles on them.Thats honest.And honestly,last time I was there,I couldn't find a Cadillac newer than a 1990.This was about 4 months ago.

About the A/C.Mine works fine.Ive never had any such problem in any of my Cadillacs.I would suggest going to another shop if it still didn't work.And why didn't you take it back in if it didn't work.They have to do it free of charge.Plus most dealers include warrenties on their parts.

Don't forget,you never know what you get when you buy a used car.This is why I won't buy a used car.Used cars have problems because the previous owners don't treat them as I would a brand new car.Hence problems.Especially from a 1988.

You guys keep mentioning the dead shocks.Were you surprised when your 18 year old Cadillac with 240K miles had dead shocks?I hope not.And I can find late 90's Town Cars all over these yards.And actually,the Continental is the car that most populated the Lincoln section.I seldom see a Mark sitting there.But loads of Town Cars and Continentals.And they write the mileage on the fender so you know what you buying from.Not one had over 150K miles on them.Thats honest.And honestly,last time I was there,I couldn't find a Cadillac newer than a 1990.This was about 4 months ago.

About the A/C.Mine works fine.Ive never had any such problem in any of my Cadillacs.I would suggest going to another shop if it still didn't work.And why didn't you take it back in if it didn't work.They have to do it free of charge.Plus most dealers include warrenties on their parts.

Don't forget,you never know what you get when you buy a used car.This is why I won't buy a used car.Used cars have problems because the previous owners don't treat them as I would a brand new car.Hence problems.Especially from a 1988.
I agree that the air suspension on lincolns doesn't last long but there are other options now like converting them to coil. Most of the lincolns in the junkyards are Probably because of their air suspension.

Poeple aren't going to toss a Lincoln because their suspentions are dead.Like you said,there are coil replacements.I have heard an about major head gasket problems with either the V6 or V8 in these cars also.

Last month traded my 1998 deville(with 57000 miles) on a 2001 town car
due to what my mechanic told me what might be the start of a head gasket
problem( note that i changed fluids regularly). First lincoln product and
while it does not have the power of the deville, it does ride smoother
and less noisy than the deville. i also like the interior seats better than the
Deville. Hope to have better luck with the town car.
Another Town Car person, very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello: CpeVillStr90
please don't tell them everything good about CADILLAC'S ,,Because if everyone was to buy cadillacs it would run the price up to high. And someone has to buy the junk (sorry I mean ford )!! Like I said before I have worked on cars for over 32 years, and we saw 10 times more LincolnscrownVics ( sorry I mean Fords) then we saw cadillacs, and that is a fact !! And as far as the crash test goes: ANYONE that buys a car just because of a crash test is a NUT, because first of all it is done buy running a car into a wall ( how meany cars do you see run into a wall) 85% of all crash's are with another car ( and that my friends is another fact), SO DON'T RUN YOUR CAR INTO A WALL !! All car makers have some bad luck at times, BUT there is no one that makes a car as good as "GM" !! BUT I cannot knock ford to much because ford has made me a lot of money (working on them ), and if you don't beleve me have a look at the service hour book on Cadillacs and then match it with lincoln and you will see the car that cost the most to fix.
BUT you lincoln guys are ok with me because at lest you not dumb enough to buy one of thoes little tuna cans from over seas !!!
EVERYONE have a good day !!!
cpri287972

Like I said before I have worked on cars for over 32 years, and we saw 10 times more LincolnscrownVics ( sorry I mean Fords) then we saw cadillacs, and that is a fact !! And as far as the crash test goes:
I am not trying to be mean but what kind of problems have you seen with the 02 lincoln Town Cars cuz I haven't had a one problem with mine yet.

Lets get our facts in line here. Lincoln and Caddy owners should quit the feud, the real enemy is the imported crap! This site seems to be Lincoln biased, so I will offer Caddy facts as I am an owner of 2, and a few Lincoln facts as my buddy owns two as well. The Town Car is nice, and I do like the RWD. But since it is heavier, it handles no better than the Deville, and not as good as the STS FWD. The NS is designed to use oil because of the need to lube the top end. It was a sacrifice the engineering team made in the beginning, and current NS cars barely use any at all. I have two 96's, a Deville and an STS. The Deville barely uses 1 quart per change, the STS over two in the same period. I was told countless times that the Deville and STS were the same car, and I beleived them, until I bought the Deville. They do share many things, but there are more differences than you can imagine. The Deville does rival the Town Car in sheer comfort on the road, but not the STS. But the 96 STS can run a legit 14.8 second quarter mile, a figure no late model Lincoln can match. My friends 2000 Town car is nice, but that is not wood in the interior, it is plastic. The Bose stereo in the Caddy's is better than anything Lincoln has offered to date. The Caddy is only more expensive to fix on the struts vs air bags and the engine, but I have yet to see a premature engine failure on the NS. The NS does not cost 8 grand but more like 9 grand to replace new from the dealer. The Lincoln is a "tad" if any, more reliable. But the Lincoln is a Ford, not unique in anyway, shape or form. The NS was built entirely for Cadillac, and only recently used in "lesser" GM products. The 4.6 in the Lincoln, is a Ford motor. So Caddy traded it's motor down, whereas Lincoln did the opposite. Caddy did end up using Chevrolet parts, but the CTS-V uses Corvette technology, and so does the XLR. You show me a Lincoln that shares with it's own top dog, the GT, and I'll show you a car that I would buy! A SUV is a SUV and I do not like them at all. But they are almost always based on the parent company trucks, but the one that is not based on that premise is a Cadillac, the SRX, which is based on the CTS. I would much rather have a Cadillac based on a Chevy, or a Lincoln truck based on a Ford, than a rebadged Nissan, Toyota, or the like. Who builds the best trucks in the world? Ford and Chevy. Enough said!

Theres been alot of good points here, a college kid could do a report on all that we said! But we shoudnt fight one another, we have the two best cars in the world, Cadillac and Lincoln. So lets just join together and crush these rice burners! If i could, i would have both of the 2 worlds, maybe one day.....

This is a ok thread, but I think I will go visite the Town Car's site to see what they have to say about the Deville.

I really did enjoy my 2000 Deville.

http://rides.smokeys.org/files/Caddy/017.jpg

It was probably the nicest vehicle I have ever owned and I really enjoyed driving it. Too many miles on it and I began to look for something with less miles so I got this 04 Crown Vic.

http://rides.smokeys.org/files/2004_LX/DSCN0043.jpg

Nice fun car that I did some mods to. After a year I traded it in on my 03 Lincoln LS. Now the LS does not ride as smooth as the Caddy, but it will out handle it by a long ways. I actually would like to find another low mileage Deville, maybe a DHS but nothing in my price range with factory warranty still left on it. Heck, my LS even has the extended 6yr/75K mile factory warranty that I transferred to my name. No pics of the LS yet.
Some of my other recnt rides:
http://rides.smokeys.org/files/
Long live Lincolns and Caddys!