Well I went tot he strip today and was able to pull off a 14.4 @ 97mph which is good because I only have 4.10s and minor exhaust.
These is with crappy 225/60/60 tires that cost 60 a peice.

Not bad.

You took everything but that Camaro off the tree. Nice job!

Very impressive nice :Beer :Beer :Beer

Nice, driller and myself (without my car) went to the dragstrip today too. He set off a 14.331 before I had to bounce........ :Beer

Damn, very nice pics there ! Awesome job.

I guess, those 4.10's do help off the line. Maybe I'll have to get some. :Beer

Bump up that fuel pressure, get a chip, some good drag radials and try for a peek into the 13's ! :) Get the NOS and run some low 13's ! Haha. I can't wait to hit up the track with you next time.

Also, did you manually shift or go in D ?


Driller nice job on the 14.3 !

Thats cool Brad Congradulations :Beer so how big was the shot you ended up using? :nos:

Looks like Driller and you would be running neck and neck.

He didn't use the nitrous... I'll let him get into that.

the camaro redlighted i will post slips later

the camaro redlighted i will post slips later

all you have is 4.10's and exhaust and got a 14.4? thats pretty good.. I can't wait to see what I get if I ever get down to the track.

What were the conditions like as far as altitude, heat and humidity. Ken Kropac here on the board (14point6@97mph) went a 14.30 with only our cat back.

good job , what kind of 60' times are you getting

I really dont have exhaust, I only have 2 1/4 inch pipe which came factory
its 687 above sea level and it was 70 to 80 degrees i dont know humidity. I also got a question, when I hit 100 at the track it feels like I hit a limiter, I changed out my speedo gears. It just loses power. now I still do have the NOS kit hooked up just missing a selnoid that got fryed(defective) could it be because I still have it hooked up and the tee fitting that goes to the FPR has a jet in it. im hoping for 13s with a chip and MAF

R/t .107
60' 2.265
330 6.200
1/8 9.383
Mph 77.55
1000 12.129
1/4 14.450
Mph 97.44

R/t .236
60' 2.208
330 6.213
1/8 9.439
Mph 76.36
1000 12.220
1/4 14.565
Mph 96.40

after messing up the GTO im ready to beat up the CTSV show them that Lincoln is still and is always Number 1. Next ime I will give better notice so you can witness this, I got a billion on complaments. First the guy in the GTO said he feels stupid(which he should) that a 10 year old lincoln that weighs a ton beat him. While this guy is coming up to me saying he has one at home and I made his day to see a Hotrod lincoln blow everyone away on the line and to here it rip down the track. Some guy also brought his dads corvette and wish he brought his mark VIII, oh and this guy wanted to buy my car, he kept asking how it did in the snow. Im like great ( I love drifting ). Oh and at the timeslip booth the guy told me he had a message for me from the tower, They said "your going to need a helmet if that hotrod lincoln does better."

:bow:

I love the pics of you toasting the Ford Lightning! I’m sending them to my girl friend. She’s an F150 fanatic and is especially wild about the Lightning. Its kinda funny – she loves pick up trucks and I drive around in Lincolns – go figure!

That's awesome, it's about time the Mark recieved some love... haha

NICE! I am sooooo glad you kicked that GTO! I can not tell you how much i hate them! WAY TO GO! LVC REPRESENT!

I have a feeling the GTO made a comeback.

Oh thats sweet man.What was going on Saturday at the track?Is there a test and tune this Tuesday?if so i am there :Beer

I have a feeling the GTO made a comeback.The "GOAT" was just that, a goat. Baaaaaaaaa. Or is that Neiiiiiiiiiiiigh. How does a goat sound?

That car, I am sorry, is the biggest joke to ever wear a really cool nametag. That's like having your nickname be JohnnyLong and then you pull out your 4 incher.:F

I dont know why everybody bashes the GTO.... You really have to drive one. The style isn't "RETRO" like everybody wants and i think thats why it gets a bad rap. Personally, i'm glad they didnt produce a "retro" GTO, because the look wears off really fast. The T-Bird and the PT Cruiser are prime examples.. Factory rated 1/4 mile times for the GTO are under 14 sec. I know a guy that ran a 13.1 1/4 BONE STOCK with a 6-speed. All he did was change the tire pressure... These cars are very underrated and overlooked.

The 05's are truely badass. The one in the picture is an 04, but with equal drivers it would run circles around even a modded mark.

The 05's are truely badass. The one in the picture is an 04, but with equal drivers it would run circles around even a modded mark.
:I

I still dont like them. Its a grand prix with a v8.

Good running Brad. Nice numbers. :Beer

I still dont like them. Its a grand prix with a v8.

it has nothing to do with a grand prix, it's a holden.

and if they did make a rwd grand prix, i would own one for sure. i love them.

The 04 GTO was high 13's in the magazines so an inexperienced driver could get 14s. That's a great win though, they still have 350hp. The 05 is awesome, 400hp and low 13s.

the camaro redlighted i will post slips later

Got the slips from the GTO race?

here ya go

I still dont like them. Its a grand prix with a v8.Or a Bonneville or a Grand Am or a Sunbird, whatever.. All Pontiac crap that looks the same. If it isn't retro, then think of a new name. Don't rehash and destroy the mystique. I did that car and Vette engine or not, and it has nothing, no character at all like the original GTO. That's my problem with it. All the same stuuf with different badges. And its fugly on to boot.

Nice runs, what type of exhaust setup do you have. Also since you have 4.10's I assume you have trac-loc as well?

I also got a question, when I hit 100 at the track it feels like I hit a limiter, I changed out my speedo gears. It just loses power. now

Your hitting the speed limiter which is now reduced by the gears to 98 mph. Thats why your not running times you should be. You need a chip to eliminate this.

is there any other way around the speed limiter? like a multiplier?

Nope.

so 4.10's knock the top end down that much? that sucks.

Yes, you will need a chip for any gears to raise the speed limiter.

hey it might lower the top end but if you want to beat LSIs, LT1s, 5.4 S/C, and the rest of them you NEED 4.10s. Man If I had I chip I would probly get 14.1s, Why is my car so fast, I mean driller has way more mods the only thing I really have is the 410s, and he has slicks, I ran those times with 225/60/16, and he has a 93 right. which are supposedly faster

hey it might lower the top end but if you want to beat LSIs, LT1s, 5.4 S/C, and the rest of them you NEED 4.10s. Man If I had I chip I would probly get 14.1s, Why is my car so fast, I mean driller has way more mods the only thing I really have is the 410s, and he has slicks, I ran those times with 225/60/16, and he has a 93 right. which are supposedly faster

Some are simply faster than others. You may have weight advantages. You may have more favorable track conditions. You may be a better driver. We'll never know 'til we run together. :waving:

Yeah, I have a lot of mods, but let's face it, the chip, exhaust and gears are the big 3 followed by the shift kit and drag radials(not slicks... yet! LOL!). The rest may collectively give a tad more performance but individually it would be hard to prove any gain. :wrench

So the chip takes the speed limiter off? That explains the ceiling I hit just after crossing the line sometimes. :Bang

Duh! Geno, what's up with the chip?? :feedback

I don't think it's an issue(yet), but it could be soon. :steering

hey it might lower the top end but if you want to beat LSIs, LT1s, 5.4 S/C, and the rest of them you NEED 4.10s. Man If I had I chip I would probly get 14.1s, Why is my car so fast, I mean driller has way more mods the only thing I really have is the 410s, and he has slicks, I ran those times with 225/60/16, and he has a 93 right. which are supposedly faster

Your running the way you should.
I have no idea why his car runs a little slower, its been baffling me since I first saw the times?
We see cars here at Atco with just cat backs and TOTALLY stock run 14.30's? One thing I noticed he has a Pro M maf and I have had nothing but horror stories with them on Marks, Id like to see ours on there for a few passes. He should have long been in the 13's. Driller, whats the conditions and altitude when and where you run?

Nice runs :steering

Your running the way you should.
... Driller, whats the conditions and altitude when and where you run?

The last 2 weekends(see Track Times and Triumphs)... about 600 foot altitude previous weekend, about 1200 feet this past weekend, both weekends mid to high 60's but recorded track temps hi 70's. Barometer 30.1 plus or minus. Humidity low at about 30%-15%. With the exception of the altitude, pretty good air IMHO.

As far as the MAF, I think I may need an A/F reading(good excuse for a dyno tune... LOL!)? It's a little rich looking at the exhaust tips. I have new O2s I haven't had time for either.

I'm not complainin' - Brad's got his running well too. :steering

some tracks also give really weird times,

The last 2 weekends(see Track Times and Triumphs)... about 600 foot altitude previous weekend, about 1200 feet this past weekend, both weekends mid to high 60's but recorded track temps hi 70's. Barometer 30.1 plus or minus. Humidity low at about 30%-15%. With the exception of the altitude, pretty good air IMHO.

As far as the MAF, I think I may need an A/F reading(good excuse for a dyno tune... LOL!)? It's a little rich looking at the exhaust tips. I have new O2s I haven't had time for either.

I'm not complainin' - Brad's got his running well too. :steering

I have some wheel hop of the line too, I think If I get some drag tires and new fuel filter and other basic tune up stuff as well as I chip im going for 13s and if not im stripping the car. i ran those times with some junk in the trunk hey I always got the juice too
:nos:

some tracks also give really weird times,

Correct. Last weekend I ran a 14.31 @ 95.01 and guys were complaining on the low mph numbers. This weekend I ran a 14.33 @ 98.30 with the drag radials screaming for traction on the 1-2 shift.

The guys at the track are already warning me to get ready to get a helmet. :L

i noticed your thermostat is 160 degrees in your profile. Isn't this low for this car? 180 or 195 seems optimal. Maybe this is affecting your runs.

i noticed your thermostat is 160 degrees in your profile. Isn't this low for this car? 180 or 195 seems optimal. Maybe this is affecting your runs.

Just because it has a 160 T-stat doen't mean it runs at 160, trust me.

i noticed your thermostat is 160 degrees in your profile. Isn't this low for this car? 180 or 195 seems optimal. Maybe this is affecting your runs.

Ya the lincolns do better warmed up from my exprience

here ya go

He was an inexperienced driver.... Look at the reaction time. And you can see he was pulling harder the whole race.

Ya the lincolns do better warmed up from my exprience

No way, colder the better. Warmer the SLOWER.

No way, colder the better. Warmer the SLOWER.

I had always thought that if the t-stat was too low, like 160, then the car would never be able to reach normal operating temperatures and thus not produce as much power. I am aware that too hot hurts performance...but so does not warm enough.

Ya the lincolns do better warmed up from my exprience
:I

I have extensively tetsted and proved this one Guys.
I push the Mark up to the burnout box and do my burnout when your NORMAL is on the L and then by the time you dry hop and stage your usually on the A which is just fine and then clicked of 14.60's all night at 97-98 mph.
In the heat of the summer you will be down a half second on some cases.

I had always thought that if the t-stat was too low, like 160, then the car would never be able to reach normal operating temperatures and thus not produce as much power. I am aware that too hot hurts performance...but so does not warm enough.

Again a 160 doesnt mean your running at your running the car at 160 degrees.

Im saying my car ran its best (for that day) at union grove when it was hot of the highway, and its the best it did all day

I mounted a over-ride swich for the electric fan to maintain more consistently cooler temps at the track. I researched this long before changing the T-stat. Here is what I found...

- Factory fan is setup to come on at 215 degrees and turn off at 205 degrees with the OEM T-stat.
- The LMS IceBox will decrease intake air temperature by 15 degrees.
- On the Normal temp guage...
N-???
O-???
R-215
M-205
A-180
L-160
- With ambient outside air of 95 degrees, the cooling fan running on high can cool the car from 220 degrees to 200 degrees in 10 minutes at idle.
- Allowing the car to reach 'normal' temps at the track will add 0.4 seconds minimum to your ETs.
- The cooling fan pulls 20 amps at high speed.
-With a OEM 195 degree T-stat, operating temperatures ran 205-220 normally on my 93.
-With the 160 T-stat, normal operating temperatures are 180-195 degrees.

He was an inexperienced driver.... Look at the reaction time. And you can see he was pulling harder the whole race.

Hate to break the news to you buddy, but thats how almost every single race is won from being a better driver. sure the GTO car is faster but only jackasses buy them. they look like garbage, I would much rather have a T/A then this grand am. Im win alot of races in my Lincoln but thats only because I get killer R/Ts. So when you guys raise the BS flag here stop and think that there are complete dumbSHlTS out there that buy a car cause there girlfriends think there cool or "thats hot" and that they saw a ad saying the run (any number) in the 1/4, but they forget to tell you thats under the very best conditions and a badass driver

Hate to break the news to you buddy, but thats how almost every single race is won from being a better driver. sure the GTO car is faster but only jackasses buy them. they look like garbage, I would much rather have a T/A then this grand am. Im win alot of races in my Lincoln but thats only because I get killer R/Ts.

No news to me.... Take a chill. :N Everyone's got there own opinion, but nobody should be bashing a "GRAND AM" that could kick their a$$.... MOVING ON.. :sleep:

so much gto hate, i like the GTO, and congratulations to GM for releasing a new RWD platform.

I wish Steve Strapp was here to put his $.02 in. :Beer

LOL. I'm not going to put down the GTO, although the Holden body is HORRIBLE like we all know, simply because it CAN be a quick car with a decent driver. I read in Motor Trend that they are designing a new body style for the '07 GTO. Prolly won't take affect until '08. Looked strange and pricey, meh.

There is nothing wrong with pro-m mafs on marks, or any other mod motor for that matter. There are many horror stories about c&l mafs though. 14.3 is a one time thing Ken did, and was never able to duplicate, it's not like that car runs 14.3s all day, again Geno, let's keep it real.

It is real brother, many cars have done this repeatedly.

It is real brother, many cars have done this repeatedly.

:facesjump

I wish Steve Strapp was here to put his $.02 in.Ya, Steves been all over the map. Nice Mark, then the TA and now the goat. I'm not hating it from a mechanical standpoint, I am hating it from a marketing standpoint. Just because the marketing guys can't come up with a new, fresh name that will resonate with customers doesn't mean they have to go and ruin a great name by dropping it on a cook-cutter body style.

Heck, everything that everybody is making, GM, FORD, HONDA, TOYOTA, even KIA all look the same. GM is the worst and the Pontiac division is THE lamest. Hence the hate.

I remember walking on a Pontiac lot not more than a year ago and I would challenge anybody to look at their offerings from any angle and immediately tell me what car it was. I had to look again and again just to differentiate models. That's not right.

And I guess the horrible sales (all incentive driven) and proposed redesign speak for themselves. All sizzle, no steak.

very nice pics. Nice nice nice!

:facesjump

Swap 4.10s for stock gears, go to the track and come back with a 14.3 ... :waving:

Swap 4.10s for stock gears, go to the track and come back with a 14.3 ... :waving:

Good point. :F

the pontiac solstice looks great...

:facesjump

Cant quite figure out what is so funny.. I have gone these times with just exhaust. That was the first mod I did and went 14.40 from a previous 14.60, Ken Kropac went into the 30's with just a cat back as well as 95LSC32V here on the board went 2.26/14.38/97.6 best mph I have got was 98.6 just because you or some other people didn't run these times with similar or more mods doesnt mean these times arent attainable. I know of many, many others who have done this as well.

14.3 is a one time thing Ken did, and was never able to duplicate, it's not like that car runs 14.3s all day, again Geno, let's keep it real.

Really have you talked to him about this? You know this to be fact? Also too many cars have duplicated runs like his across the country with only the same mods, Just KEEPING IT REAL!

Geno, Eli had alot of stuff on his mark and I think he was running 13.6 or.7 with LTs Converter and gears, plus other bolt ons. according to your claim 10 HP from exhaust moves you from 14.6(rare)or15.2(normal) down to a 14.3/ gears moved me from 15.1 to 14.4 thats a big Dif. now if all lincoln besides gen 2 could pull 14.6 stock, under the right condition I could run 13.7 with my setup now.

So you dont believe claims of 14.60-80's stock? Ill scan ya my time slips, Im sure Ken Kropac has his as well as KAB here on the board and 95LSC32V.

Yeah were all liars.

Geno, Eli had alot of stuff on his mark and I think he was running 13.6 or.7 with LTs Converter and gears, plus other bolt ons. according to your claim 10 HP from exhaust moves you from 14.6(rare)or15.2(normal) down to a 14.3/ gears moved me from 15.1 to 14.4 thats a big Dif. now if all lincoln besides gen 2 could pull 14.6 stock, under the right condition I could run 13.7 with my setup now.

Atco's conditions are awesome too, thts one serious advantage we have here. Were ta dead sea level, the ait is "usually" good too. What were Eli's conditions? What were yours too?

Pro-M is crap, C&L rules, all marks run 14.6 stock.

I'm done here.

Bye.

i don't have a scanner but i have a bunch of time slips from 14.6-14.8 at 96-97 mph 2.2 60' with a 2.18 best ,completely stock
i installed 2.5'' x-pipe between the front cats and the original mufflers , it still et's the same but now it runs 98 mph
i'm pretty sure drag radials or a posi , would put it in the 14.40's or 14.50's maybe even hit 99
like Geno said atco is at sea level and the weather has been perfect here lately , even at cecil my car was a bit slower , i think their elevation is 800' or something like that

No Ken, its cool were full of crap. We imagined those times and then they got mysteriously printed and given to us, its cool.

Pro-M is crap, C&L rules, all marks run 14.6 stock.

I'm done here.


LOL. Jeremi ! My Brother! Any news on that new radiator ?

If you could PM with some info. and possible pics in the next week or so, it would be greatly appreciated.

The best time I could pull off with exhaust was 14.8. Sh|tty conditions, needed tune-up, horrible tires. I'm hoping for for some consistent LOW 14's with , of course 4.10's, intake work, and a godly dynotune. I just want some HIGH 13 second passes by the end of this summer ! Please LORD!.

But that's a mear $ 1,300 that I don't have... YESSSS! :Beer

LOL. Jeremi ! My Brother! Any news on that new radiator ?

If you could PM with some info. and possible pics in the next week or so, it would be greatly appreciated.

The best time I could pull off with exhaust was 14.8. Sh|tty conditions, needed tune-up, horrible tires. I'm hoping for for some consistent LOW 14's with , of course 4.10's, intake work, and a godly dynotune. I just want some HIGH 13 second passes by the end of this summer ! Please LORD!.

But that's a mear $ 1,300 that I don't have... YESSSS! :Beer

Woah are you SURE yyou went 14's stock? POSITIVE? WOW. Marks can't do that!!

Woah are you SURE yyou went 14's stock? POSITIVE? WOW. Marks can't do that!!

I deserve a free lap dance from your blonde babe for that one !

LOL . :joke

I wish my baby went 14.3's stock, damn. Very nice runs. But who knows, I only went to the track once. I have no clue what it runs now...

I don't think it matters what any other Mark VIII runs - unless it's running beside me at the track! :N

Yeah, I've had some 14.3s but that's certainly not my average - and neither do I run at one track, certainly not the best track and hardly ever in the best of conditions and I'm damn sure not the best driver. I've only been doing this for a year. I simply strive to run the best I can, whether it's just me and the clock or running against an opponent in the other lane. :Beer

takes me 14.3 just to walk out to the car and get it started, does that count???

There are many horror stories about c&l mafs though.

I've had one on my Mustang since 1999 with no problems and 30 lb injectors. It's a 5.0 though.

Woah are you SURE yyou went 14's stock? POSITIVE? WOW. Marks can't do that!!

he had full exhaust geno, Im going to correct my timeslips to see what i would run at acto

if I was at ATC0 I would run about 13.9 @ 100 so its possible but not common and im not saying you cant run 14.6 stock but its hard in joliet

altitude correction table
http://www.hardcore50.com/members/correctionfactors.htm

he had full exhaust geno, Im going to correct my timeslips to see what i would run at acto

LOL, he was just playing, Brad.

I want to see what my corrections are ! Although I won't go by them because they are NOT my true run.

I find this site more in depth for correction factors...

http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_hp_dp.htm

You need to record actual real time track conditions however and not the local weather forecast. I use the outside air temperature sensor mounted in with the cold air intake for track temperatures which will be the biggest weather variable. I have tested it to be accurate to within a couple degrees. I generally record 10-15 degrees higher temps at the track on a sunny day, even more in the peak heat of the summer in the staging lanes.

You can use a site like www.wunderground.com for hourly stats for humidity and barometric pressure. Some tracks actually measure these stats, calculate and print the absolute density altitude on the timeslips.

How bout let's stop all this " What IF I was at ATCO, What IF it was IDEAL temperatures" and just be satisified with yours times.
This way it urges you to do better and push for better ET's at your local track conditions.

Quoted from Jeremi, "Let's be REAL". :N

:Beer