Hey guys...... I just got done porting, and gasket matching my intake and IMRC's. I bought ALOT of stuff to do the work, and have alot of materials left do get more done. What I want to know is.....How many of you would be interested in doing a ported intake swap program?


I have a couple of intakes sitting on a shelf that I could work over, and ship to you guys on a core swap basis. I would be doing this for profit, so I would become a contributing member. I am seriously considering opening a shop here in Illinois, that would cater to the modular engine platform, but would be available for anything else.


I have "abit" of porting experience under my belt, and would like to use it for something good. 4-valve heads are my thing, but I've done LT1's, LT4's, and have a set of LS1's done right now.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Your gonna be the biggest influence as to the price, I want to make it affordable for the guys that want it, but can't afford it. But I don't want to be cutting myself short. Give me some ideas about what you think you would be able/want to pay for a fully gasket matched intake, and we'll go from there.


Mike

ME!

Do you have any pics of one of the intakes you have completed ?

I am definently looking for a ported/polished intake, with perhaps shorter runners.

Where at in Illinois are you located? I'm in the Southwest side of Chicago.
About 10 minutes from downtown.

ME!

Do you have any pics of one of the intakes you have completed ?

I am definently looking for a ported/polished intake, with perhaps shorter runners.

Where at in Illinois are you located? I'm in the Southwest side of Chicago.
About 10 minutes from downtown.


Central Illinois, 45 miles west of Springfield. I had'nt thought about shortening the runners. But I could look in to it. I have pictures, but will have to get the camers from Katie (the woman) to get them uploaded. I'll try to get that tomorrow.

Mike

I've just finished one for a guy here on the forum and sent him a bunch of pics.If he feels like it he'll post up some pics, if not then you wont know till he passes you on the drag strip. LOL

I've done a few of these now and depending on what he decides I'm either getting it ceramic coated or powder coated for him before I ship it back to him.

Bye the way, you know who, YOU HAVE MAIL.

ME!

Do you have any pics of one of the intakes you have completed ?

I am definently looking for a ported/polished intake, with perhaps shorter runners.

Where at in Illinois are you located? I'm in the Southwest side of Chicago.
About 10 minutes from downtown.

John, let me know when your ready.If you want I'll e mail you some pics.

Me Me Me Me Me Me Me. Only thing is I can't donate my intake because I drive my car every day. I have no idea how much this costs so I'll leave it to the other guys...

What gains do people usually get from this mod?

I think hes talking about a core exchange, you know he sends you the intake and charges you 100 extra bucks then when your done installing you send back your old intake thus you getting your 100 back

Thanks Chris! Can't keep a secret around here. LOL!

You can pick up intakes on the cheap for cores. I have 2 in the trunk of the '91 LSC(garage is full - lol!).

WARNING... this gets addicting... :wrench

Hey guys.......After talking with some people, and doing some comparing....I was thinking ~200 for the work with a 100 dollar core. Of course you would get the 100 back.

Does this sound about right?

as far as gains......I hav'nt swapped the intake out yet, so I'm gonna be taking the 94 over to the dyno to get some baseline runs. After the swap, I'll take it over and get some numbers with the ported job on.


As much material as I took out of these, i'm hoping for 20-30 HP. This sound about right?

I have heard 20 - 25 hp gains when installing the Cobra intake manifold ported. As far as the stock intake manifold ported, I'm not positive, but I would definently be pleased with an extra 20 HP for roughly $250 - 300.

I can't wait til I get done with these gears and get one of these intakes installed.

but I would definently be pleased with an extra 20 HP for roughly $250 - 300.

That's probably going to be more than a port and polish for a 20HP gain. Most likely a simple P&P will yield 15HP. Easily should see 10HP plus. A gain of 10HP would yield over 1 MPH in the quarter and a tenth off the ET. Most likely less than $25 per HP, hard to beat. :wrench

Most likely less than $25 per HP, hard to beat. :wrenchI agree. Too bad I have a Gen II. :mad:

I agree. Too bad I have a Gen II. :mad:


If I could get ahold of a gen2 intake I would love to see what I could do with it. Anyone have one sitting around?

If I could get ahold of a gen2 intake I would love to see what I could do with it. Anyone have one sitting around?
I do, I was gonna put it up on e-bay in afew weeks

Mike, save your time with the 2nd gen intakes. Porting alone is not worth it. The actual plenum and runner design is the problem. It is very easy to swap a cobra intake on a 2nd gen. It has been done numerous times with great results. Since you only need the upper and lower manifold, the cost is very low.

Mike, save your time with the 2nd gen intakes. Porting alone is not worth it. The actual plenum and runner design is the problem. It is very easy to swap a cobra intake on a 2nd gen. It has been done numerous times with great results. Since you only need the upper and lower manifold, the cost is very low.
Thanks Jeremi........Iv'e never had the oppertunity to look one over, so I have no Idea. I'm still working on the logistics for the swap program, once I get something figured out, I'll let you guys know. Expect some dyno runs very soon.


Oh yea......the numbers will be slightly higher on my peticular Mark due to the 5 speed. I would imagine that as long as you have the baseline run, and a run Immediatly after, they would be the same? right?

Allright.......update.



1st dyno pull is set up for this saturday. I have the intake done, but not the IMRC's I fried most of my good rotary files and am waiting for goodson to get me the replacments. Saturday night~Sunday morning I'll have the 1st pull #'s for you.



Mike.

I hope you have a way to alter the A/F
If not, dont be surprised if there isnt a whole lot of gain. On Joes car it only picked up a few HP but his A/F went WAY rich.So if he was able to lean it out there would have been way better results.
I still for the life of me cannot figure out why it went rich but it did.
Make sure you pay the extra money and have the A/F logged.

Hey guys...... I just got done porting, and gasket matching my intake and IMRC's. I bought ALOT of stuff to do the work, and have alot of materials left do get more done. What I want to know is.....How many of you would be interested in doing a ported intake swap program?


I have a couple of intakes sitting on a shelf that I could work over, and ship to you guys on a core swap basis. I would be doing this for profit, so I would become a contributing member. I am seriously considering opening a shop here in Illinois, that would cater to the modular engine platform, but would be available for anything else.


I have "abit" of porting experience under my belt, and would like to use it for something good. 4-valve heads are my thing, but I've done LT1's, LT4's, and have a set of LS1's done right now.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Your gonna be the biggest influence as to the price, I want to make it affordable for the guys that want it, but can't afford it. But I don't want to be cutting myself short. Give me some ideas about what you think you would be able/want to pay for a fully gasket matched intake, and we'll go from there.


Mike

IS THIS A GEN-1 THING ONLY??????

IS THIS A GEN-1 THING ONLY??????


YUP....unless you go with a Cobra intake......now don't you wish you had a better/faster Gen 1? :N

Allright.......update.



1st dyno pull is set up for this saturday. I have the intake done, but not the IMRC's I fried most of my good rotary files and am waiting for goodson to get me the replacments. Saturday night~Sunday morning I'll have the 1st pull #'s for you.



Mike.so how did you do?

so how did you do?



Damn man, I forgot to update......After I posted this, The dyno shop said they had to change appointment days. I will be there at 9:00 wednesday morning. I'm sorry to leave you guys in the dark.


Mike

I'm sorry to leave you guys in the dark.


MikeDon't let it happen again . . . :joke . I'm curious to see the results as well. Good luck.

YUP....unless you go with a Cobra intake......now don't you wish you had a better/faster Gen 1? :N


I had a '95, I'll just go with the Cobra Intake...

:C

I am definitely interested, but I'm in the same boat that this is my only car at this time. I think the prices are great. Maybe someone can come up with a way to fix the air flow problem, and we can make this thing work!

I am definitely interested, but I'm in the same boat that this is my only car at this time. I think the prices are great. Maybe someone can come up with a way to fix the air flow problem, and we can make this thing work!



What do you mean by "the airflow problem"? The only intake that has a problem is the 2nd gen. and you can easily fix that my swapping the cobra intake on it. The ones I am working on, are for the gen1's only.




Mike

Sorry, meant air/fuel mixture. Send me to the GROG!!!

Hey guys.


Been to the dyno and back. FC Customs has one hell of a shop, and quite a few NICE projects going. Anyway as far as the numbers go, I'm not happy at all with them. Keep in mind this is only the baseline run to compare the ported intake that I'm gonna put on this weekend.

The most power I could pull was 202@4700 RPM, with an A/F dropping all the way to 11:1 at 5,200. (the A/F, was rich at the start of the run, but DROPS at 2700 rpm and continues to do so.) I'm gonna have to call the dyno shop to get the torque numbers for you as I forgot to ask. Now before you guys start laughing at me, I think I have an excuse for the low numbers.

The tranny I swapped in to the car was out of a 2000 Mustang, that year they switched to a different style of speedo sensor. Well, I have yet to buy the calibration box needed to get the ecm to read it. I have a feeling that the ecm does'nt know how much fuel to dump in because as far as it knows, it's not moving the car. Thats my opinion anyway.

I'm not really sure how to do this guys. Do I put the new intake on it, and run it "as is"? Or do I get the a/f problem fixed, and everything worked out on it, then run it. Give me some ideas of what you would like to see, and I'll do it. This is just a kick in the nuts for me, I was hoping for some GOOD numbers.

Well, I'm sorry to hear your dissappointed. I would say try fixing the ecm problem then slap on the ported intake manifold, and have them fix the a/f ratio with the new intake on. This way they don't have to adjust it again after the swap. But if you are looking for numbers in how much you gained between the two, then go the other way.

Yes those numbers are a bit low for the Mark, have you given it a decent tune up lately ?

Freein' up that exhaust will help a ton also. Maybe a glogged cat or some bad 02's could be holding back a few ponies.

Well, I'm sorry to hear your dissappointed. I would say try fixing the ecm problem then slap on the ported intake manifold, and have them fix the a/f ratio with the new intake on. This way they don't have to adjust it again after the swap. But if you are looking for numbers in how much you gained between the two, then go the other way.

Yes those numbers are a bit low for the Mark, have you given it a decent tune up lately ?



Yea, a "new" engine, plugs wires, and o2 sensors. Like I said, I have a feeling the power is missing due to the lack of proper engine managment. I'll get it straightend out.


Any of you know exactly what parameters are needed for the ecm to calculate fuel delivery?

Hey guys.


Been to the dyno and back. FC Customs has one hell of a shop, and quite a few NICE projects going. Anyway as far as the numbers go, I'm not happy at all with them. Keep in mind this is only the baseline run to compare the ported intake that I'm gonna put on this weekend.

The most power I could pull was 202@4700 RPM, with an A/F dropping all the way to 11:1 at 5,200. (the A/F, was rich at the start of the run, but DROPS at 2700 rpm and continues to do so.) I'm gonna have to call the dyno shop to get the torque numbers for you as I forgot to ask. Now before you guys start laughing at me, I think I have an excuse for the low numbers.

The tranny I swapped in to the car was out of a 2000 Mustang, that year they switched to a different style of speedo sensor. Well, I have yet to buy the calibration box needed to get the ecm to read it. I have a feeling that the ecm does'nt know how much fuel to dump in because as far as it knows, it's not moving the car. Thats my opinion anyway.

I'm not really sure how to do this guys. Do I put the new intake on it, and run it "as is"? Or do I get the a/f problem fixed, and everything worked out on it, then run it. Give me some ideas of what you would like to see, and I'll do it. This is just a kick in the nuts for me, I was hoping for some GOOD numbers.

The speedo sensor on the 2000 unit is the same, just swap your speedo gear onto the end of it? Whats the mileage on the car, have you changed the fuel filter? It sounds more like a delivery problem, like a weak pump.

The speedo sensor on the 2000 unit is the same, just swap your speedo gear onto the end of it? Whats the mileage on the car, have you changed the fuel filter? It sounds more like a delivery problem, like a weak pump.




No it's not. The 2000 T45 uses a magnetic VSS, as opposed to the older gear driven units. :) But you may be on to something with the fuel pump, it's original with 120,000 on it. I've been meaning to pick up a fuel pressure tester, I may have a reason now. :)

Oh duuhh your a stick, I was thinking a GT 4R70W. Its for sure the fuel pump then. Guaranteed. DO a pump and a fuel filter and you will be amazed.