http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tKIBlTC6c&feature

OMG,

Hearing the left right left brought tears to my eyes.

But But But, the illegals are having peaceful demonstrations.:rolleyes:

Where was this? And why didn't all those pussies lay in the road and tell the gov to eat one. This :q:q:q:q is getting rediculous and is not going to stop if played by their rules. My 2 cents.

Where was this? And why didn't all those pussies lay in the road and tell the gov to eat one. This :q:q:q:q is getting rediculous and is not going to stop if played by their rules. My 2 cents.

First, most of those cops are probably showing up at the TeaParty events on their days off. They know that the teaparty events are completely civil safe.

Second, getting into a confrontation is completely counter productive.
Those with power are WAITING for that act of violence to finally have the picture of radicalism and violence coming from the group.

Not responding with anger to the provocations IS an example of not playing by their rules.

just like these stories you hear of black CNN reporters going to tea parties looking for racism, and they come back reporting that they felt welcome

What goes around….

Ah…. Whimpy protestors…don’t they know that this is de rigueur?

How many times did I peacefully protest the war in Iraq and we were surrounded by riot police – if we were protesting while a presidential or vice presidential motorcade was driving past – every time. And more than once we were moved 1/2 mile away. Plus, often the war protests were mostly high school students.

So, foss – how do you know it is old people – if you look at the video you really don’t see the crowd – one ‘student’ looking individual, and maybe his mom – along with maybe a glimpse of a baby carriage and what looks to be a few people in the street. Could it be that is why they were moved off the street and onto the sidewalk? Duh…

These people need to get some backbone – and not whimp out at minor things like this. Not one canister of tear gas fired, – whimpy, whimpy.

And not one instance of your right to freedom of speech violated (that is what happens when you get moved 1/2 mile away).

And, just like during the war protests during the Bush administration, Bush didn’t call out the riot police – his security staff did. I am certain that Obama didn’t have any input into this decision, it was his security staff doing their due diligence.

2003 war protest in Chicago (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/1863380.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DIWSAsset%26k%3D2%26d%3D7 7BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD8BCB72BC501EA68DBCC 8FE406D8827E0BC2B9C9B3F8ABCCCE30A760B0D811297&imgrefurl=http://www.life.com/image/1863380&usg=__4yJB3MBSe4fPVOMq-dK3FZPlKg4=&h=397&w=594&sz=53&hl=en&start=23&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=2Ix1dqgz4eflPM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Driot%2Bpolice%2Bfull%2Briot%2Bgear%2B war%2Bprotest%26start%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26cl ient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1)...

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/1863380.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD8BCB72BC501EA68D BCC8FE406D8827E0BC2B9C9B3F8ABCCCE30A760B0D811297

This country was founded on I'LL PUT A BOOT IN YOU"RE QUEEN"S ASS IF YOU DON"T STOP TAXING US.

This country was founded on I'LL PUT A BOOT IN YOU"RE QUEEN"S ASS IF YOU DON"T STOP TAXING US.

Actually 1bad - it was regarding taxation without representation, and a king at that time (George III)... Taxes weren't the big issue, it was the fact that the British was taking our money to fill their coffers because they were depleted after the French and Indian war, and not giving us equal representation in government.

At that time Americans considered themselves British citizens and we wanted a seat in Parliament - our 'representation'. It was denied, and more taxes were heaped upon us - the Stamp Tax, the Sugar Tax, the Homestead Tax... all without any votes on our part.

So, in answer to all this taxation without representation - the Boston Tea Party. Then the British started to get really stupid... They tried the accused Colonists in England - certainly not with a jury of their peers and American homes were forced to host British troops...

Soon the first continental congress, and then 'the shot that was heard around the world' (yes coined during the American Revolution), the battle at Lexington.

So, while the tea party people are protesting taxation - it isn't quite a direct correlation - we have the opportunity to vote the bastards out... unlike during the 1700s where there wasn't any direct representation of the people.

So, get involved - 2010 is the time to vote them out if you want - you can 'peaceably' change Washington... Unlike the protesters in 1770 - who needed a revolution.

And, just like during the war protests during the Bush administration, Bush didn’t call out the riot police – his security staff did. I am certain that Obama didn’t have any input into this decision, it was his security staff doing their due diligence.
Ah yes, foxpaws, I do recognize the Abu Ghraib - er - Nuremberg defense. :rolleyes: Frankly I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the uniform colors - drab, dull black. I would think you'd be in favor of more tie-dyed stuff.

Oh, here's the link (http://www.whig.com/story/news/WEB-Tea-Party-043010) to the story behind the video - geriatric indeed.

Actually, watching this video reminds me of Washington marching his army against the Whiskey Rebellion.

And the redcoats marching on Lexington.

So easy to pick off when they march so close together like that.

Ah yes, I do recognize the Abu Ghraib - er - Nuremberg defense. :rolleyes:
Frankly I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the uniform colors - drab, dull black. I would think you'd be in favor of more tie-dyed stuff.

Actually, watching this video reminds me of Washington marching his army against the Whiskey Rebellion.

And the redcoats marching on Lexington.

So easy to pick off when they march so close together like that.

So, anxious to fire the first shot Foss? Remember - in Boston the first blood was drawn by the Brits, it is better to answer....

I don't know what the protesters were wearing - probably not tie-dye though...

So, anxious to fire the first shot Foss? Remember - in Boston the first blood was drawn by the Brits, it is better to answer....

I don't know what the protesters were wearing - probably not tie-dye though...It's amusing to be lectured on history by a Marxist. Don't you have some astroturfing to do vis-a-vis La Raza or something? Surely there are some illegals in Denver where you live.

Hey Fox why don't you give us a lesson on the civil war too.

What goes around….
The people caught this on video tape.
They followed the reasonable instructions presented to them by the police and they responded respectfully.

How peaceful were the protests you're accustomed to, foxpaws, if the tear gas broke out?

Example of typical leftist protests:
YouTube- Mexicans Riot in Wake of Arizona Illegal Alien Crackdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c6KB_hwzf4)

Or maybe the Battle of Seatle in '99
YouTube- 1999 Battle of Seattle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JXPIBsxdk0)

But I'm sure foxpaws has no association with those groups. One was in response to Arizona enforcing federal law and the other was the WTO.
So, let's take a look at some of the "peaceful' ANTI-WAR protests back around 2004:

A.N.S.W.E.R. Protests circa 2004 (http://www.protestwarrior.com/videos/footage/op_wolv_tr_real_hi.ram)
Operation Wolverine (http://www.protestwarrior.com/videos/operation_wolverines.php)

(by the way, watch the other videos on that website as well for an even more complete picture)

By the way, foxpaws, if I want to be a leftist internet agitator like you, do I just volunteer or do you have to file a 1099?

Oh, here's the link (http://www.whig.com/story/news/WEB-Tea-Party-043010) to the story behind the video - geriatric indeed.
So, in the photo accompanying the article - there is an old guy in the photo - but the other people look to be middle aged white people, and there is no mention of age in the article.

Why do you think it is a geriatric group of people Foss - you coined, or at least posted, the title of this thread didn't you?

Hey Fox why don't you give us a lesson on the civil war too.

So 1bad - what do you want to know ;)

Hey, at least you could say thanks - you no longer have to appear to be history impaired by stating the revolution was fought because we told the Queen of England to shove it up her...

Hey word twister apparently you got my point enough to correct me.

Hey word twister apparently you got my point enough to correct me.:bowrofl:

Apparently I'm not the only one who sees through the mask.

Well done sir.

The people caught this on video tape.
They followed the reasonable instructions presented to them by the police and they responded respectfully.
By the way, foxpaws, if I want to be a leftist internet agitator like you, do I just volunteer or do you have to file a 1099?

And Cal - what is the tea party doing for you bottom line - or do you just volunteer?

Do you want to see the footage of the war protests in Chicago in 2003 - most news stations picked it up - but here is some amateur footage...

If the tea party doesn't want to be laughed at they need to understand that 18 police officers in riot gear isn't the big time.

YouTube- Protest Rally, Chicago IL, 2003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00eM9YDDiKg&feature=related)

I can't understand half the words you guys type in here,,,,,, but I can see :bsflag:

:bowrofl:

Apparently I'm not the only one who sees through the mask.

Well done sir.
So, Foss-you really don't have anything that shows the average age of these protesters to be in the 'geriatric' category, and obviously Obama didn't call the riot police out... as the article you linked to stated (http://www.whig.com/story/news/WEB-Tea-Party-043010)...

There were a few tense moments when the crowd moved west down York toward Third Street after the president's motorcade arrived. A Secret Service agent asked the crowd to move back across the street to the north side.

When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street.

The officers, mainly from Metro East departments near St. Louis and dressed in full body armor, marched from the east and stood on the south side of York facing the protesters.

Actually, Foss, your thread title should read - Riot police were called out by the Quincy Deputy Police Chief to make sure the mostly rather middle aged tea party protesters moved across the street.

Rather whimpy yes, but much more truthful than yours.

Are you gonna tell me the real story or the BS they teach my children in public school.

Are you gonna tell me the real story or the BS they teach my children in public school.

That I assume you mean about the civil war - and not the fact that Foss totally mislead everyone with this rather false thread title.

I just wanted to pull your chain and cut up some of your BS. I could care less about the tea partyers and their never gonna solve the government issues with their nonviolent " let's get back on the sidewalk ways". And Calibro said that would be feeding them. I think not. When they tell the protesters to move and then they do move. WOW THAT WILL GET THIS COUNTRY SOMEWHERE HUH?

foxpaws just likes to strain at gnats while swallowing camels.

Oh, and foxpaws - it's 'misled' - past tense of 'mislead.' I would think that a spell Nazi like yourself would be more conscientious.

And I didn't mislead anyone - there were senior citizens at this protest. That distinction is reserved for you. That's all you do here. The irony is that you cry 'misleading' when you're the only one who's a proven liar.

Even the lurkers are starting to 'cut up your BS.' :bowrofl:

Now you're just trolling every thread I post in, in an attempt to lock it down, clutter it up, or just stymie discussion. Who is obsessed with whom?

I just wanted to pull your chain and cut up some of your BS. I could care less about the tea partyers and their never gonna solve the government issues with their nonviolent " let's get back on the sidewalk ways". And Calibro said that would be feeding them. I think not. When they tell the protesters to move and then they do move. WOW THAT WILL GET THIS COUNTRY SOMEWHERE HUH?

So, 1Bad - violent protest - is that what you are advocating?

Did the violent anti war protests of the 70s work... and, is that what you think will solve the current problems?

Oh, Foss - photos are coming? And I expect to see 'hordes' of older people... not 12...

And I am not trolling - I am showing people that your headline is wrong, that you are fear mongering. Obama didn't call the riot police via your own article you used as source - and I have yet to see that this protest really was attended by hordes of geriatrics...

Foss has been showing his opinion in the titles of his posts such as:

Obama's incendiary remarks spurred vandalism in Arizona

Nowhere in any of the articles linked to does anyone express this opinion or conclusion so I'll have to give him credit for his leading a charge with creativity.:cool:

Oh and when I called you guys out on creative conservatives I thought you'de at least mention Ayn Rand who you're fond of, Mel Gibson or even B list Chuck Norris.

And of course the ultimate creative conservatives are businessmen and capitalists whose magnitude of creativity dwarfs that of artists.

I don't suggest violent protest. I suggest the people take back there goddamn country.

Foss has been showing his opinion in the titles of his posts such as:

Obama's incendiary remarks spurred vandalism in Arizona

Nowhere in any of the articles linked to does anyone express this opinion or conclusion so I'll have to give him credit for his leading a charge with creativity.:cool:

Oh and when I called you guys out on creative conservatives I thought you'de at least mention Ayn Rand who you're fond of, Mel Gibson or even B list Chuck Norris.

And of course the ultimate creative conservatives are businessmen and capitalists whose magnitude of creativity dwarfs that of artists.

Ah, Ted Nugent... I think Sammy Hagar and Meatloaf are both conservative. Toby Keith - and of course, Wayne Newton and the Osmonds ;)

However foss does seem to be showing a tendency to start threads with headlines that he (or the articles presented) really don't back up. Hopefully he will learn - Shag did...:)

So, 1Bad - violent protest - is that what you are advocating?

Did the violent anti war protests of the 70s work... and, is that what you think will solve the current problems?

Oh, Foss - photos are coming? And I expect to see 'hordes' of older people... not 12...

And I am not trolling - I am showing people that your headline is wrong, that you are fear mongering. Obama didn't call the riot police via your own article you used as source - and I have yet to see that this protest really was attended by hordes of geriatrics...I posted photos, foxpaws, but they were removed. That concludes the busy work I'm doing for you. Suffice it to say that you're wrong. Here's the link (http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/28/team-obama-calls-out-swat-team-on-tea-party-patriots/) if you're not too lazy.

You could have easily asked politely for the link, but instead you chose to use a condescending, taunting tone like you always do - calling names as well. And now the lurkers are calling you out. Your reputation is dwindling.

Clearly you're not out to have a discussion, but to harass. You have a tendency to contaminate every thread with your pathetic taunts, lies, and deceit.

I posted photos, but they were removed. That concludes the busy work I'm doing for you. Suffice it to say that you're wrong. Here's the link (http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/28/team-obama-calls-out-swat-team-on-tea-party-patriots/) if you're not too lazy.

You could have easily asked politely for the link, but instead you chose to use a condescending, taunting tone like you always do - calling names as well. And now the lurkers are calling you out. Your reputation is dwindling.


Wow - 6 people who appear to be elderly-some 'horde' foss...
Clearly you're not out to have a discussion, but to harass. You have a tendency to contaminate every thread with your pathetic taunts, lies, and deceit.

No foss - I am happy to continue to highlight the fact that you are fear mongering - the headline to this post is a classic example. The right is thriving on it, and it needs to be shown for exactly what it is...

oh.... scary riot police - and they are at the beck and call of Obama... ohhhh scary... he sent them after old people....

classic fear mongering...

And Cal - what is the tea party doing for you bottom line - or do you just volunteer?
You didn't answer my question, but I'll respond yours.
No, I don't work for or answer to anyone in politics or related to politics in anyway. I'm 100% independent and I only engage in political debate with the intention of challenging myself in order to develop a better understanding.

I'd wait for your response, but we all know your answer can't be trusted....

If the tea party doesn't want to be laughed at they need to understand that 18 police officers in riot gear isn't the big time.
They'll be mocked by your like minded friends in the media and politics?
Or called nazis, hatemongers, racists, stupid, old white people, or violent terrorists?

And big time? Their goal isn't to be a "big time" agitator like you and your Liberty hating friends.


Has anyone else watched the videos I just posted.
It's really very enlightening.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/videos/operation_wolverines.php

Again, getting in the face of a cop asking you to get out of the street is stupid and counterproductive.
Not only would it accomplish nothing, make NO point, it would provide the political and media left the narrative they have been desperately waiting for.
You can't be stupid about this. On this point, foxpaws is 100% right. Where did it get the radicals in the 70s?
No where then.

But those are the people in power right now.
And they are going to press your buttons. Once you respond with violence, you will IMMEDIATELY be discredited and presented in a way to convince the public who are still complacent that you should be isolated and dismissed.

Wow - 6 people who appear to be elderly-some 'horde' foss...

Certainly didn't justify the jackbooted response, did it, Miss Goalpost-Mover? You really don't get it, do you? You're dumber than I thought. You thought I was serious with the 'hordes' comment? Wow. Very, very slow, foxpaws. I've always thought that the left has no sense of humor, and you just proved it.

Thanks for FINALLY getting the point of the thread. I guess you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

Your tone is getting more strident, foxster. Clearly I've gotten under your skin.


No foss - I am happy to continue to highlight the fact that you are fear mongering - the headline to this post is a classic example. The right is thriving on it, and it needs to be shown for exactly what it is...

oh.... scary riot police - and they are at the beck and call of Obama... ohhhh scary... he sent them after old people....

classic fear mongering...Finally dissolving into outright contempt, eh? So much for your 'thoughtful' persona.

And still can't do any better than proof by [snarky] assertion.

Not clever, foxless. Everybody else understood the thread...why don't you?:rolleyes:

If the tea party doesn't want to be laughed at they need to understand that 18 police officers in riot gear isn't the big time.
[/url]Ah, yes. If the Tea Party wants to reach the 'big time,' they need to resort to becoming terrorists like Obama's close friend and confidant William Ayers, who blew up buildings and killed people. Sorry we don't quite rise to your level, foxers.

they need to resort to becoming terrorists like Obama's close friend
..and all the kooks who were parts of SDS and the New Left in the 60s.

Regarding Ayers, I don't understand why people focus on his poorly executed bombings instead of the accidental detonation of the bombs in Greenwich Village which killed two of his radicals, including his girlfriend, and the intended use those bombs....

It was to massacre the army service men and their families at a dance at Ft. Dix in New Jersey.


And it's also complete nonsense for Obama or his defenders to say that Obama was unaware of Ayers past when he met him.

Obama was attending Columbia in 1981.http://www.wikicu.com/images/f/fc/Obamasiddiqi.jpg
The Brinks Robbery took place in 1981 and it was HUGE news in the NYC media market.

I was too young back then to really understand it, but my father would point out the memorial marker on the side of the road dedicated to Officers Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown all of the time when I was a little kid.

It wasn't until I was an adult living in New York again that I actually realized what had happened and associated it with everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink%27s_robbery_%281981%29
But if you were in NYC in 1981, you were extremely well aware of the Weather Underground because of that story.

Certainly didn't justify the jackbooted response, did it, Miss Goalpost-Mover? You really don't get it, do you? You're dumber than I thought. You thought I was serious with the 'hordes' comment? Wow. Very, very slow, foxpaws. I've always thought that the left has no sense of humor, and you just proved it.

Thanks for FINALLY getting the point of the thread. I guess you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

Your tone is getting more strident, foxter. Clearly I've gotten under your skin.

Finally dissolving into outright contempt, eh? So much for your 'thoughtful' persona.

And still can't do any better than proof by [snarky] assertion.

Not clever, fox. Everybody else understood the thread...why don't you?:rolleyes:

Oh foss - come on - even I have learned the art of googling...

You were just caught...

You just picked up on typical right wing fear mongering... this is all over right wing blogs, there are hundreds of examples - but here are just a few...

Obama calls in riot police against peaceful Tea Party protesters (http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/04/obama_calls_in.php)

Obama calls out SWAT Troops against an Army of Grandmas. (http://www.thepoliticalclass.com/2010/04/obama-calls-out-swat-troops-against-an-army-of-grandmas.html)

OBAMA & BIG SIS Call In Riot Police on Quincy Tea Party Patriots (Video) (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/obama-big-sis-call-out-riot-police-on-tea-party-ladies/)

Obama dispatches Riot squad to tea party demonstration/Quincy (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/obama-dispatches-riot-squad-to-tea-party-demonstrationquincy-ill/)

and of course your 'link'
Team Obama Calls Out Swat Team on Tea Party Patriots! (http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/28/team-obama-calls-out-swat-team-on-tea-party-patriots/)

Foss, you perpetrated the lie - you were just a voice box.

There was no joke - you just can't admit you were taken for a ride...

You are doing exactly the same thing all right wingers do - after you perpetrate the lie - you then cry 'wolf' and say, 'oh I knew it wasn't true/it was a joke/I played you line...

You got played big time foss...

Cal - who is sitting with Obama - your post talks about Ayers then the photo... but it isn't Ayers in the photo. Or is it just good to make sure you show Obama with a person that appears of Arab descent - guilt by association right?

You didn't answer my question, but I'll respond yours.
No, I don't work for or answer to anyone in politics or related to politics in anyway. I'm 100% independent and I only engage in political debate with the intention of challenging myself in order to develop a better understanding.

I'd wait for your response, but we all know your answer can't be trusted....
So why ask?

I don't work for any political party. I was asked by someone who was going to work for the Tea Party Nation if I would join him, I said no. Eventually he didn't take the job either.

And big time? Their goal isn't to be a "big time" agitator like you and your Liberty hating friends.

So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?

Again, getting in the face of a cop asking you to get out of the street is stupid and counterproductive.
Not only would it accomplish nothing, make NO point, it would provide the political and media left the narrative they have been desperately waiting for.
You can't be stupid about this. On this point, foxpaws is 100% right. Where did it get the radicals in the 70s?
No where then.

Cal, the tea party is doing the very same thing if they take something that is very typical when you protest where the president is (police presence, in riot gear) and turn it into something that it isn't. This isn't the president calling in the riot squad on old people. It is the way security is handled around the president. If they cry wolf on this, people will label the tea party as 'fringe' and 'liars'.

Eventually that can be as damaging as getting in the face of the cop that is telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.

Can you see why I didn't want the job?

So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?Do you know how to spell 'wimpy' correctly, fox? This is getting ridiculous, all these spelling errors from such a literary giant...:rolleyes:

Can you see why I didn't want the job?
Yeah you being a statist Marxist wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it. :rolleyes:

More misdirection from the foxster.

Could you be ANY more full of yourself.

I submit that you could not.

How's about going this route with it Foss.................. Ok Fox let's pretend for a second....... I know this might be hard for you but let's try real hard. Let's pretend this thread is called our government sent riot police to control peaceful never violent protestors. Now what do you think of it. And what do you think of the fact that the fearless leader of our nation allows this to happen. Is that better for ya.

You still cannot refute my headline. Keep stomping your little feet, though. It's amusing.

Again - since obviously you missed these the first time...

From your own source (http://www.whig.com/story/news/WEB-Tea-Party-043010) Foss...

There were a few tense moments when the crowd moved west down York toward Third Street after the president's motorcade arrived. A Secret Service agent asked the crowd to move back across the street to the north side.

When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street.

The officers, mainly from Metro East departments near St. Louis and dressed in full body armor, marched from the east and stood on the south side of York facing the protesters.

So, got anything to refute that Foss - it was not Obama, but the local deputy police chief that decided to call in for the 'riot squad'.

Secondly - also from your own source...

About 200 people protesting Obama's policies loudly chanted "USA, USA" as his motorcade made its way out of the Oakley-Lindsay Center, then sang "Hey, hey, hey, goodbye" as the vehicle went by.

But, your photo source (http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2010/04/28/team-obama-calls-out-swat-team-on-tea-party-patriots/) shows only 6 old people... 6 out of 200 - not a very good 'horde' foss.. heck, not even 5% of a quite small crowd.

So, what do you have to defend against this foss - ah... so far... nothing...

Because it is an outright lie... A typical right wing, fear mongering lie.

I never realized how closely you really do follow your quote I use as my sig...

You conform foss, you conform to the right. You have been assimilated and handed your orders, which you carry out without question.

No response when it is written to sound like the man who represents the people refuses to hear the people. [big breathe after sentence]

This country has seen Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, assassinated, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and the Pope.

You never know when the next funny in the head person may attempt to kill the president.

All it takes is a few seconds for a person to pull a gun and start shooting.
Afterwards everyone would say he was the quiet one or something.

With the juicy creative hate floating around out there being spouted by various entities to stir up the stirrable, the police prefer to be a bit heavy handed in numbers as a deterrent to someone making an attempt, however remote that possibility may be.

How's about going this route with it Foss.................. Ok Fox let's pretend for a second....... I know this might be hard for you but let's try real hard. Let's pretend this thread is called our government sent riot police to control peaceful never violent protestors. Now what do you think of it. And what do you think of the fact that the fearless leader of our nation allows this to happen. Is that better for ya.

1bad - how many protests have you gone to, and more specifically, ones where the president or vice president are either going to be in attendance, or driving by?

I have been politically active for quite a while (please note - foss will not doubt stick in an 'old' joke here). I have been to well over 3 dozen protests where a president has been either at the venue, or his motorcade has driven past.

In every case there has been a large police presence along with secret service men, and there have been swat teams or riot police standing by.

It is what is required in this day and age regarding security around the president.

In this case the crowd wasn't doing what the police asked them to do - move onto the sidewalk. The prudent thing for the police to do is to ask the members of the force who are trained to deal with crowd control, the riot police, to step in and handle the situation. They do this because when you see those members of the police in full riot gear - it is pretty impressive, and you have a tendency to obey them when they ask you to get onto the sidewalk.

This wasn't an isolated incident - this wasn't handled any different than if any group of protesters didn't follow the police's requests to step back onto the sidewalk.

The tea party made a big deal of it, because obviously up until this point it appears they probably obeyed the police, and perhaps weren't as visible/and doing what the police asked them to do at functions where the president was in attendance. But as soon as anything looks wrong when the president is nearby, things change quickly. The local police are there for crowd control, not the Secret Service. That local deputy chief did what he felt he needed to do to make sure that the street was kept clear, and that it wasn't his a$$ on the line if something bad happened to the president.

I have been in protests with high school kids (a group of 40 kids and 10 moms) - we were moved 1/2 mile away from the motorcade, and we were never in the street - always on the sidewalk, and we had a permit. The riot police moved us. And, that is just the way it is.

It happens around the president. Security issues change greatly when you have protesters, the president, and small town police.

Our 'fearless leader' probably didn't even know of this. The local police decide what to do, and they decided to call in the riot squad. It is their job to keep the president safe, and they do what they feel will best protect the president.

If the deputy chief overreacted, that is his call, not the president's. Do you think it would be prudent for the president to state that protesters along the motorcade route should be allowed to do what they want - disobey the local police and laws, just so it doesn't look like he is starting up a fascist regime?

Of course not, that would be irresponsible of him. The local police do what they feel is best in crowd control around the motorcades. It is their butt on the line, and they certainly don't want to be the jurisdiction where the president was put in harms way.

I realize you would like to believe foss on this - that is fine. But, the evidence really doesn't support his allegations.

Yeah you being a statist Marxist wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it. :rolleyes:

More misdirection from the foxster.

Could you be ANY more full of yourself.

I submit that you could not.

Jealousy rears its ugly head once again...

Jealousy rears its ugly head once again...
Remember, foxless, you're the one who tried to pick me up over the internet. Even MM made a comment about it at the time. I had to publicly tell you that I was married before you'd back off.

And now you're the scorned, vindictive, wannabe lover who follows me around biting my ankles.

Yep, it definitely fits.

Cal - who is sitting with Obama - your post talks about Ayers then the photo... but it isn't Ayers in the photo. Or is it just good to make sure you show Obama with a person that appears of Arab descent - guilt by association right?

No, it's the picture that the Wiki Columbia website has of Obama in 1981. The guy isn't arab either, he's a Pakistani, Sohale Siddiqi.

I'm not sure what "guilt" that would associate.
Are you projecting your motivations on me again?

So why ask?
If you chose to not answer or lie, that's telling as well.

I don't work for any political party.
What a very precise answer.
Very specific, but not very complete.
You don't work for a political party.

But that doesn't mean you aren't working for, or with, and organized political organization. You certainly aren't obliged to answer this, but you have stated before that you're on the boards of several "charities," I wonder which ones they are and who they are aligned with.

Is it really difficult to think that you might "enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action?"

I was asked by someone who was going to work for the Tea Party Nation if I would join him, I said no. Eventually he didn't take the job either.
Conflict of interest?

So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?
Again- you equated Big Time with the disruptive, often violent, protests that are associated with the left.

Perhaps it's a little unsettling for a group of well behaved, normal people who aren't accustomed to political dissent or agitating, to see such a strong presence activated, seemingly in response to them.

Just call them naive.

Cal, the tea party is doing the very same thing if they take something that is very typical when you protest where the president is (police presence, in riot gear) and turn it into something that it isn't. This isn't the president calling in the riot squad on old people. It is the way security is handled around the president. If they cry wolf on this, people will label the tea party as 'fringe' and 'liars'.
So you're calling them "fringe' and "liars" so that other people won't call them "fringe and liars." You must be calling them these names and maligning them out of the goodness of your own heart.

Eventually that can be as damaging as getting in the face of the cop that is telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.
No it isn't.


Can you see why I didn't want the job?
Yeah, because you're an authoritarian statist, why would you want to associate with an organization that is going to have Andrew Breitbart speaking at their next event.


But with all of this said, I do agree with the truth of your comment.
The little riot team that walked down the street wasn't deployed directly by Obama or anyone in his organization.
However, that IS a stronger response than I have seen at political events or around protests in the recent past.
What do I attribute that to?

I do attribute that to the administration because they have labeled the "Tea Party" groups as radical and potential terrorists, and as such, the local and feds cops are ordered to respond with the appropriate display of force and readiness.

1bad - how many protests have you gone to, and more specifically, ones where the president or vice president are either going to be in attendance, or driving by?

I have been politically active for quite a while (please note - foss will not doubt stick in an 'old' joke here). I have been to well over 3 dozen protests where a president has been either at the venue, or his motorcade has driven past.

In every case there has been a large police presence along with secret service men, and there have been swat teams or riot police standing by.

It is what is required in this day and age regarding security around the president.

In this case the crowd wasn't doing what the police asked them to do - move onto the sidewalk. The prudent thing for the police to do is to ask the members of the force who are trained to deal with crowd control, the riot police, to step in and handle the situation. They do this because when you see those members of the police in full riot gear - it is pretty impressive, and you have a tendency to obey them when they ask you to get onto the sidewalk.

This wasn't an isolated incident - this wasn't handled any different than if any group of protesters didn't follow the police's requests to step back onto the sidewalk.

The tea party made a big deal of it, because obviously up until this point it appears they probably obeyed the police, and perhaps weren't as visible/and doing what the police asked them to do at functions where the president was in attendance. But as soon as anything looks wrong when the president is nearby, things change quickly. The local police are there for crowd control, not the Secret Service. That local deputy chief did what he felt he needed to do to make sure that the street was kept clear, and that it wasn't his a$$ on the line if something bad happened to the president.

I have been in protests with high school kids (a group of 40 kids and 10 moms) - we were moved 1/2 mile away from the motorcade, and we were never in the street - always on the sidewalk, and we had a permit. The riot police moved us. And, that is just the way it is.

It happens around the president. Security issues change greatly when you have protesters, the president, and small town police.

Our 'fearless leader' probably didn't even know of this. The local police decide what to do, and they decided to call in the riot squad. It is their job to keep the president safe, and they do what they feel will best protect the president.

If the deputy chief overreacted, that is his call, not the president's. Do you think it would be prudent for the president to state that protesters along the motorcade route should be allowed to do what they want - disobey the local police and laws, just so it doesn't look like he is starting up a fascist regime?

Of course not, that would be irresponsible of him. The local police do what they feel is best in crowd control around the motorcades. It is their butt on the line, and they certainly don't want to be the jurisdiction where the president was put in harms way.

I realize you would like to believe foss on this - that is fine. But, the evidence really doesn't support his allegations.^^^The above is simply one big anecdotal appeal to authority mixed with ad nauseum. No factual representation whatsoever.

In fact, foxSTER, the Secret Service pressured the local police to put out the MF. So undoubtedly Obama knew of this. So you're wrong again.

Remember, you're the one who tried to pick me up over the internet. Even MM made a comment about it at the time. I had to publicly tell you that I was married before you'd back off.

And now you're the scorned wannabe lover who follows me around biting my ankles.

Yep, it definitely fits.

Oh, that's a good one - semi nude - hahahahahahaha....

OK, lets just make this clear -

One - you can't back up your allegations in this thread...

Two - you need to change the subject to attempt to hide the fact that you are lying.

Three - you are lying.

^^^The above is simply one big anecdotal appeal to authority mixed with ad nauseum. No factual representation whatsoever.

In fact, the Secret Service pressured the local police to put out the MF. So undoubtedly Obama knew of this. So you're wrong again.

Prove it... I easily disproved your little supposition in the headline of this thread... now prove this one...

And, if you don't realize how you are being led around like a neutered bull with a ring in his nose, I feel sorry for you Foss.

What a very precise answer.
Very specific, but not very complete.
You don't work for a political party.She has admitted working for both Obama's and Hillary's campaigns in the recent past.

She's clever, but has no wisdom or integrity.

Prove it... I easily disproved your little supposition in the headline of this thread... now prove this one...

And, if you don't realize how you are being led around like a neutered bull with a ring in his nose, I feel sorry for you Foss.Okay. So if I produce evidence that demonstrates that this order came from the Secret Service, you'll admit you were wrong and leave the thread?

No, it's the picture that the Wiki Columbia website has of Obama in 1981. The guy isn't arab either, he's a Pakistani, Sohale Siddiqi.

I'm not sure what "guilt" that would associate.
Are you projecting your motivations on me again?

So why post the photo if not to misdirect...
What a very precise answer.
Very specific, but not very complete.
You don't work for a political party.

But that doesn't mean you aren't working for, or with, and organized political organization. You certainly aren't obliged to answer this, but you have stated before that you're on the boards of several "charities," I wonder which ones they are and who they are aligned with.

I have worked for many national campaigns - most recently for Hillary.

I volunteered on the phone banks and to hit the streets on Obama's campaign (only after the Republican VP candidate was named - I was not planning on volunteering for the Obama campaign until that point), I was not on the payroll, as I was on past presidential campaigns.

Charities I am on the board of are charities that deal with women and children in need. They are not politically based at all. The board members are from both parties, and from many walks of life. The one I am most involved in has Bill Owens (a very conservative ex-governor of Colorado) on the board, as one example of how bipartisan it is.

Is it really difficult to think that you might "enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action?"

One this size - yes... If I were out on some big time right wing blog arguing my point - perhaps... but here, on LvC - no way.

Again- you equated Big Time with the disruptive, often violent, protests that are associated with the left.

Perhaps it's a little unsettling for a group of well behaved, normal people who aren't accustomed to political dissent or agitating, to see such a strong presence activated, seemingly in response to them.

Just call them naive.

If you are going to protest a presidential motorcade - it is big time. The Tea Party protesters will eventually learn that having the riot police at 'standby' is standard operating procedure when the president is nearby.

The riot police was activated in response to 'them'. If the Tea Party members had obeyed the police, gotten on the sidewalk (which is always what the police make sure of - they want you out of the street at all times), there wouldn't have been any confrontation with the riot police.

So you're calling them "fringe' and "liars" so that other people won't call them "fringe and liars." You must be calling them these names and maligning them out of the goodness of your own heart.

No - I am calling it as I see it Cal - they will be labeled those things if they aren't careful. You want my 'professional' opinion, the Tea Party members need to walk a very fine line. If they want to be representational of 'good ol' American values' then they have to walk the walk. Don't disobey the police, don't carry signs that marginalize your effort, be courteous. Appearances mean a whole lot, and if the Tea Party gives the left any morsel of wrongdoing, the left will blow it up... create a huge scandal. The left is waiting to pounce. I will willing give this up - don't give the left anything. The left is better 'connected', they are better organized, and they have a whole lot of media on their side.
Yeah, because you're an authoritarian statist, why would you want to associate with an organization that is going to have Andrew Breitbart speaking at their next event.
No - I was asked because I am pretty good at what I do. I have worked for Republicans in the past as well... You are selling a product Cal. It is the way of American politics.

But with all of this said, I do agree with the truth of your comment.
The little riot team that walked down the street wasn't deployed directly by Obama or anyone in his organization.
However, that IS a stronger response than I have seen at political events or around protests in the recent past.
What do I attribute that to?

Thank you Cal. It is a strong response however, especially for the size and make up of the crowd. I actually attribute it to a small town police force, and a group that seemed to not really understand the ramifications of what they were doing when the president was present. They probably hadn't protested a presidential motorcade before. It really does change the atmosphere of the security in place. Police get nervous, little things set them off. Yelling in their face isn't a great idea if you don't want to have the riot police called in.

That is the President of the United States they are protecting. Whether they agree with him or not, they will protect him to the best of their abilities. I would imagine that perhaps none of them had protected a president in the past...

I do attribute that to the administration because they have labeled the "Tea Party" groups as radical and potential terrorists, and as such, the local and feds cops are ordered to respond with the appropriate display of force and readiness.

It could be - but, I would imagine that 'readiness' is always present when any group has made it known that they will be protesting the motorcade. I have certainly seen it from both the protesting side and also being in a presidential motorcade. It is more a reflection of our violent past than a reflection of a particular group.

No - I am calling it as I see it Cal - they will be labeled those things if they aren't careful. You want my 'professional' opinion, the Tea Party members need to walk a very fine line. If they want to be representational of 'good ol' American values' then they have to walk the walk. Don't disobey the police, don't carry signs that marginalize your effort, be courteous. Appearances mean a whole lot, and if the Tea Party gives the left any morsel of wrongdoing, the left will blow it up... create a huge scandal. The left is waiting to pounce. I will willing give this up - don't give the left anything. The left is better 'connected', they are better organized, and they have a whole lot of media on their side. How "nice" of you to offer your 'advice' to the Tea Parties. As though it's sincere. :rolleyes: At least you had the intellectual honesty to put quotations around the word 'professional.' Sort of like your tax 'advice' that I didn't need - you just love being condescending, don't you, Vejur?

Funny how you believe the Tea Party NEEDS this advice. Care to produce some evidence that suggests that the Tea Parties have EVER been anything but generally peaceful and law abiding? I can outproduce you with evidence that your bunch of lefties have assaulted the Tea Partiers at their own rallies.

I don't even have to do a search - I know you've NEVER posted in this forum warning your lefty fellow travelers like Code Pink and other wacko groups to 'walk a fine line.'

You just can't help yourself, can you?

How "nice" of you to offer your 'advice' to the Tea Parties. As though it's sincere. :rolleyes: At least you had the intellectual honesty to put quotations around the word 'professional.' Sort of like your tax 'advice' that I didn't need - you just love being condescending, don't you?

Funny how you believe the Tea Party NEEDS this advice. Care to produce some evidence that suggests that the Tea Parties have EVER been anything but generally peaceful and law abiding? I can outproduce you with evidence that your bunch of lefties have assaulted the Tea Partiers at their own rallies.

I don't even have to do a search - I know you've NEVER posted in this forum warning your lefty fellow travelers like Code Pink and other wacko groups to 'walk a fine line.'

You just can't help yourself, can you?

It is sincere - and it is good advice Foss.

I don't have to give the members of Code Pink or other wacko groups advice here, because none of them are present. There are tea party members present, and people who identify positively with them, on this forum.

And I am pretty sure I wouldn't give the Code Pink crazies advice... I don't like them, and I hope they continue to be marginalized.

I do like the Tea Party movement - they seem to be basically good, law abiding people. I like some of the things they stand for. I would rather not see them marginalized or caught up in a moment and make bad decisions. Yelling in a cops face is a bad decision for a tea party member. Getting caught up in a moment, and doing something that is viewed as against your basic creed, is a bad move. Standing in the street and not moving when the police ask you to move is a bad decision for the tea party. Once again - they bank on being law abiding, good citizens, don't give the left fodder by not doing what you say you represent.

And if they could get other types of Americans involved it would be so much better -

So why post the photo if not to misdirect...
I didn't misdirect anything. I posted the picture of Obama living in NY in 1981 from the Wiki Columbia University webpage. That was him in his apartment with his roommate.

That's not misdirection, it's confirmation.

If you are going to protest a presidential motorcade - it is big time.
No it's not.
I live in Sarasota. The President was here on 9/11.
Many of them, like Bush and Gore, both come here before debates to rehearse. I also have a considerable amount of knowledge about the secret service.

All motorcades are not met with riot control.
Especially when the "mob" is the folding chair variety.

Local law enforcement responds to the threat assessment and instructions from Homeland Security. And THIS Homeland Security administration has issued repeated alerts indicating that they are more concerned about people who support constitutional limited government than they are with other threats.


You keep mentioning the political activism as a product.
And that is true. ASSUMING we have a free and fair media.

Again, compare the tone of the reporting associated with 'tea party' events with what took place during the 8 years of Bush, or even the Mexican protesters this week or wait until after May Day.

What's the matter, - don't want to take my challenge?

Does this mean you're recanting your accusation that I lied?

Did some checking and found out the truth, eh?


By the way, they DID move when they were asked. They have video to prove it if necessary, but an eyewitness is disputing the FALSE newspaper account of the event which claims that they refused to move.

So you're wrong again.

Here's the first piece of evidence (http://bobmccarty.com/2010/04/29/tea-partiers-prove-obama-wrong-in-quincy/)that foxpaws is wrong - and uh oh - it looks like her favorite astroturfers were there too!

Who's got egg on her face now?

You're so easy, Victim. You tried to discredit me and it blew up in your face. Now you're running, as predicted.

It's hard for the left to stand up to facts. Their assertions fade like the wind.

What's the matter, - don't want to take my challenge?

Does this mean you're recanting your accusation that I lied?

Did some checking and found out the truth, eh?


By the way, they DID move when they were asked. They have video to prove it if necessary, but an eyewitness is disputing the FALSE newspaper account of the event which claims that they refused to move.

So you're wrong again.

So foss - watch this video - at 1:07 the local police have asked the people to move back onto the sidewalk - obviously they don't, and they start singing. So then the riot police are called in. At about 1:30 the Secret Service asks what appears to be a gentlemen in charge of the protesters (or at least someone with a bull horn) to get the protesters to move back - even as late as 2:09 there are people still on the street.

The Secret Service guy doesn't even talk to the local police - the local police are in charge of their guys - it is the whole federal vs state vs local thing. There is no way the feds, and especially Obama himself called in the local riot squad.

YouTube- • Crash Politics • Obama Intimidates Tea Party with Riot Police in Quincy IL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjQd9ajJWU0&feature=related)

Here's the first piece of evidence (http://bobmccarty.com/2010/04/29/tea-partiers-prove-obama-wrong-in-quincy/)that foxpaws is wrong - and uh oh - it looks like her favorite astroturfers were there too!

Who's got egg on her face now?

So what is in that piece of evidence Foss? Pull the quote that supports your headline that Obama called in the riot police or that there were hordes of geriatrics...

Pull the quote Foss - show me the money...

You're so easy, Victim. You tried to discredit me and it blew up in your face. Now you're running, as predicted.

It's hard for the left to stand up to facts. Their assertions fade like the wind.

Running? Because I didn't instantly answer you Foss - I happened to be invited to an American Recovery and Reinvestment Act event near where I work. VP Biden spoke along with a lot of local pols... A real success story for a local electric engine and drive train manufacturer.

So, show me where Obama ordered the riot police and show me where there are hordes of old people... you can't, you are continuing to spread lies and fear mongering.

I didn't misdirect anything. I posted the picture of Obama living in NY in 1981 from the Wiki Columbia University webpage. That was him in his apartment with his roommate.

That's not misdirection, it's confirmation.

Confirmation - that could have been in an apartment anywhere... I don't see the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building outside the window... It could have been in Denver, Chicago, Miami... as far as time frame - well, he looks young... time and date stamping however... nonexistent in 1981.

You know it isn't a confirmation of anything, Cal.

No it's not.
I live in Sarasota. The President was here on 9/11.
Many of them, like Bush and Gore, both come here before debates to rehearse. I also have a considerable amount of knowledge about the secret service.

All motorcades are not met with riot control.
Especially when the "mob" is the folding chair variety.

Yes they are, if they know there is going to be an organized protest of any sort. This protest was well known before the event - and believe me, the local police aren't going to let anything happen on their watch.

Local law enforcement responds to the threat assessment and instructions from Homeland Security. And THIS Homeland Security administration has issued repeated alerts indicating that they are more concerned about people who support constitutional limited government than they are with other threats.

And maybe they know something we don't. Don't you realize that many people see the Tea Party people as extremists? Right or wrong, that is how they are viewed. So, the government will reflect that concern, especially local governments. And the tea party itself didn't seem to be really worried about contradicting that until recently.

You keep mentioning the political activism as a product.
And that is true. ASSUMING we have a free and fair media.

Again, compare the tone of the reporting associated with 'tea party' events with what took place during the 8 years of Bush, or even the Mexican protesters this week or wait until after May Day.

So I should be upset that they can't sell their product? That isn't my fault, that isn't the media's fault. They became the darlings of Fox for a short time, but even Fox is distancing themselves at this point. Fox might get back on board as the elections draw near, depending on the type of pull the Tea Party has, but I wouldn't bank on it.

Good job movin all around the questions I had Fox. I asked Why we need Riot police for a peaceful protest. Not How many untruthful, taxpayers money suckin campaigns you have been part of. This is where you won't win me over. And NO I don't WANT to believe fosten. If you check up I have argued with him on a couple of ocassions. I have never been part of a protest. Hell I can't even vote due to this countries laws. I AM A FELON. If he is truly a man of the people elected by the people then why is he so damn afraid of the people? And why does my money have to pay for his protection? The government is payed for by the little man [ME]. Why doesn't my thought count then. Oh and I probably can't even think about attending these protests because I have a family to support and my boss would fire me if I tried to take off work at a whim. Oh yeah and don't forget that I have a family that needs to eat. This country is going to hell in a handbasket, and you're defending the basket.

So foss - watch this video - at 1:07 the local police have asked the people to move back onto the sidewalk - obviously they don't, and they start singing. So then the riot police are called in. At about 1:30 the Secret Service asks what appears to be a gentlemen in charge of the protesters (or at least someone with a bull horn) to get the protesters to move back - even as late as 2:09 there are people still on the street.

The Secret Service guy doesn't even talk to the local police - the local police are in charge of their guys - it is the whole federal vs state vs local thing. There is no way the feds, and especially Obama himself called in the local riot squad. Gee, Vejur, that video looks edited to me. :rolleyes: Guess we can't trust it, can we? Per your logic.

Good job movin all around the questions I had Fox. I asked Why we need Riot police for a peaceful protest. Not How many untruthful, taxpayers money suckin campaigns you have been part of. This is where you won't win me over. And NO I don't WANT to believe fosten. If you check up I have argued with him on a couple of ocassions. I have never been part of a protest. Hell I can't even vote due to this countries laws. I AM A FELON. If he is truly a man of the people elected by the people then why is he so damn afraid of the people? And why does my money have to pay for his protection? The government is payed for by the little man [ME]. Why doesn't my thought count then. Oh and I probably can't even think about attending these protests because I have a family to support and my boss would fire me if I tried to take off work at a whim. Oh yeah and don't forget that I have a family that needs to eat. This country is going to hell in a handbasket, and you're defending the basket.
Specifically in this case - because the Tea Party groups are the same groups that held up signs with Obama as the Fuhrer, with swastikas...

http://cockingasnook.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/hitler-obama-tea-party-2-in-1.jpg

That is why.

The police see that as behavior that needs monitoring - anytime you get swastikas, Hitler, et al, involved, believe it or not the red flags go up.

It doesn't have to be this group - it has to be any tea party group - they all get lumped in together.

Your money pays for his protection because he is the president. He has death threats against him all the time. He may be of the people - but, do you really think it is in the best interests of the United States to have the 'people' kill him?

The 'people' almost killed Reagan - and he was on the right. It doesn't make any difference who the president is or on what side he is, they all get threats, and we pay the price in increased security. Since Reagan they ratcheted up the security, since Kennedy they ratcheted up the security - it is a cause and affect problem.

I don't know about your personal situation, and not being allowed to vote no doubt is quite difficult.

I am defending our political system - yes. It is the best one on earth. Does it have problems, of course, but in spite of that, I wouldn't want to live any where else.

I am sorry you can't take part in the political process directly, and as far as indirectly, I really wouldn't know of the steps you might be interested in taking.

No you weren't, you were whining to the mods.

So, will you leave the thread if I furnish evidence? Yes or no?


So So far your evidence has been lacking in reality Foss...

And, yes I was at the Biden event - our governor slipped and called him 'president' as an interesting aside - then Biden made a joke about well Obiden, Obama, I can see how you might be confused...

We make parts for these new electric vehicles - our machine shop is bidding on parts for the company that makes the electric motors that got the big stimulus check. We were invited.

Once again - jealous?

And sorry - I didn't keep you up to date with my every move foss...

I don't see any guns or threats in either of those pics. Merely what those people fear this is coming to.

And you forget I am not right or left. I am American.

I don't see any guns or threats in either of those pics. Merely what those people fear this is coming to.

It is the swastikas - it is the red flag - maybe you just don't realize how hateful, and scary those things are, but the police do.

It isn't like saying defeat Obama - or down with tyranny - it is on a whole different level.

So, since you won't answer my challenge, I must assume you know I can furnish the proof. Either that or you're a coward.

You stand corrected.

So, show me the phone call where Obama told the Quincy police to march the riot squad.

I understand the fear my grandfather was at Omaha beach. And to this day feels this country is not the one he voted for.

I understand the fear my grandfather was at Omaha beach. And to this day feels this country is not the one he voted for.

And then you should know the fear that swastikas really represent, or ask your grandfather. It is a hideous symbol. In fact so hideous that much of the rest of the world doesn't allow it... We have pretty great freedom of speech protection - so we won't arrest the person who displays it, or uses it, but that doesn't mean you won't be watched. You can state all sorts of hateful things - but often it makes you a 'person of interest' when it comes to police action. Swastikas have that sort of bad rap... and it won't be improving any time soon.

As far as your grandfather voting - he can vote Obama out, or try, in 2-1/2 years. It is what is great about this country. He can help change what he doesn't like.

We have pretty great freedom of speech protection - so we won't arrest the person who displays it, or uses it, but that doesn't mean you won't be watched. Excellent. Keep posting, Vickturd, everybody's getting the picture about you now.