Starts Today!!
We really do need a Lincoln vs. Cadillac competition!

The Lincoln 430 HP Custom LS starts its journey today in the Cannonball One Lap of America Driving Event!

From the Ford.com site:

Lincoln OLOA Press Release :
http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=17650

DEARBORN, April 29, 2004 -- Start your engines, and stock up on the No-Doz.
The One Lap of America driving event is about to begin, and this year for the first time ever, Lincoln is entering the competition with a supercharged 430-horsepower LS.

Full coverage at:
http://www.llsoc.com/V2R1/OLOA/default.asp

Go Lincoln!!

The Event info:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com

:V :V

Now that's an LS that I would consider owning!

People are doing crazy things with the 2 valve motors. I just read an article in Super Rod about a 2 valve Kenne Bell equipped motor that was cranking out soem serious HP. From a baseline run of 260HP and 345 ft/lbs of torque, they managed an impressive 407HP (N/A) BEFORE the Kenne Bell. Bolting on the KB added 163HP to bring the total to 570HP! All on a stock wrecking yard short block.

Kale

Now that's an LS that I would consider owning!

People are doing crazy things with the 2 valve motors. I just read an article in Super Rod about a 2 valve Kenne Bell equipped motor that was cranking out soem serious HP. From a baseline run of 260HP and 345 ft/lbs of torque, they managed an impressive 407HP (N/A) BEFORE the Kenne Bell. Bolting on the KB added 163HP to bring the total to 570HP! All on a stock wrecking yard short block.

Kale

I have a customer that is willing to let NOTHING stand in the way of a Supercharged LS8 dream that he has.

He has found a wrecked Supercharged Jag that he is negotiating price with as I write this.
He wants us to swap out the engine/trans, computer and needed wiring to the LS.

Should be neat, I hope he gets it.

can someone educated me real quick, i am kinda starting to learn about the mechanical partrs of casrs now but I really dont know anything yet. Can you tell me what 2 valves as compared to a regular engine?

Every car has a minimum of 2 valves per cylinder, one for intake, one for exhaust. Some higher performance engines use 4 valves, 2 valves each to increase the surface area of the cylinder. The more air that can get in per piston stroke, the more power the car can make. So typically, a 4 valve car can make more power than a 2 valve car.

can someone educated me real quick, i am kinda starting to learn about the mechanical partrs of casrs now but I really dont know anything yet. Can you tell me what 2 valves as compared to a regular engine?

First off 2 valve has been the norm for many years, but that was generally a 2 valve, overhead valve engine with standard rocker arms and pushrods.

In current speak, 2 valve is a 2 valve per cylinder ( 1 intake and 1 exhaust ) and an overhead cam with cam followers that directly actuate the valves and adjustment is performed with lash caps ( a form of shims ).

There are also multivalve engines 3v, 4v and 5v and more from many manufacturers, Ford uses 4 valve dual overhead cam engines in the Cobra and Lincoln LS among others. With multivalve engines your whole valvetrain can be lighter and although the valve diameter is smaller than a 2 valve engine you have more surface area with 3 or more valves even though the valves themself are smaller they will move more air ( an engine is really just an air pump )

I'm not a mechanical engineer and my description may not be perfect, but I've donated enough skin and blood to the cause to know that this is essentially correct.

Thanks,

John V. (Jay) Bailey
doctorj0@yahoo.com

so why would people be going crazy over the 2 valve engines (like onebadmk8 said) if engines with more valves will move more air? Am I not getting something?

also, can someone tell me why, with all the power they put it, why they didnt throw in a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission and stuck with a 4 speed auto?

also, can someone tell me why, with all the power they put it, why they didnt throw in a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission and stuck with a 4 speed auto?

Team LS didn't have time to modify the transmission. It was slated for a 6 speed manual. If this car ever came to fruition it would be offered in a 6 speed manual. Here's a list of the car specs:

Vehicle
* Model: 2004 Lincoln LS
* Seats: SPARCO driver racing seat with 5 pt seating harness

Powertrain
* Specification: 2004 Roush 4.6L 2V Stage 3
* Supercharger: Roush M-90 with air to liquid intercooler at 10 psi of boost
* Headers: Ford Motor-Sport stainless steel
* Horsepower / Torque: 430 Hp @ 5250 rpm / 430 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm (Est.)

Transmission
* Model: 4R75W 4spd automatic
* Calibration: Unique transmission calibration for reduced shift times
* Temperature Monitoring: Unique algorithm to limit power/torque to prevent overheating

Exhaust
* Mufflers / Cats: Removed for increased flow
* H-Pipe: Replaced with X-Pipe to optimize pressure scavenging
* Sizing: Replaced cold-side with 2.5" stainless tubing
* Tip: Polished S197 Mustang tip

Aerodynamics
* Front / Rear: Aero kickers for high speed / crosswind stability
* Underbelly: Front undercarriage shield for reduction of front axle lift
* Deck-lid: 5-way adjustable rear deck-lid spoiler

Chassis
Wheels / Tires
* Front: Forged BBS 18 x 9 – P275/35/18 (Michelin Pilot Sport2)
* Rear: Forged BBS 18 x 9 – P275/35/18 (Michelin Pilot Sport2)

Rear Differential
* Differential: TORSEN limited slip with 3.58 ratio
* Half Shafts: 2002 T-bird (40mm)

Springs / Shocks / Stabar / Toe-link
* F/R Spring Rates: 61 / 63 N/mm
* F/R Stabar: 31.5mm Grippy / 21mm Solid
* F/R Shocks: LEDA 24-way adjustable dampers with adjustable spring perch
* Rear toe-link: Replaced compliant toe-link with solid link

Brakes
* Front: 330 mm – Cobra Brembo rotors with unique friction material
* Rear: Unique friction material
* F/R lines: Stainless / braided lines
* Ducts: Front brake cooling ducts

Ride Heights
* Front: Lowered 25 mm
* Rear: Lowered 20 mm

Alignment
* Front: Increased Camber to –1.5 deg
* Rear: Increased Camber to –1.3 deg

This is a re-cap of today's first event:

In case you missed the first day's results, the OLOA LS placed 4th overall behind: 1.) Porsche 911, 2.) Porsche 911 C2 and 3.) Porsche 911 GT3. The LS pulled .912 Gs in the Wet Skid Pad run and earned 395 points. The Porsches pulled .93, .928 and .915 Gs respectively. Needless to say, the LS is ranked first in its class at this point.

The two CTS-Vs in competition ranked 30th and 33rd overall.

Imagine the face on the Cadillac and Subaru team.

:P
:P
:P

wow Lincoln is fainlly making a big move! its about time. And wow, 3 porsches and like emril would say BAM! a LS!!!!! :P :P and that is great, a Roush stage 3 engine!!!! its given me goosebumbs just thinking of all that power in an LS!!!! thats mroe than twice than what i have in it now!!! :P :P

Okay, so the first day was a Wet Pavement Skid Pad test. That is a test of your tires more than anything else when the skidpad is wet.

Yesterday, they hit the track at Heartland Park.

In round one the top 5 were:

1 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:03.183 410
Paul Gerrard,
2 25 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 5:10.751 405
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran
3 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:10.887 400
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:13.026 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:13.292 390
David Murry, Royal Ford

I don't know what a Ram 1500 (not even an SRT-10)is doing up there in the standings, but that has to be one impressive truck. Dodge's own Viper came in at 11.

As for our boys?

18 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:28.192 325
John Bender, Reed Kryder

46 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:55.962 185
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

64 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 6:10.310 95
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia


Also notice that the LS is in the Mid-priced Sedan class and not the Luxury Sedan class like the V's. They're really not competing with each other (and how did Lincoln get in that class?)

Heartland Park - Round 3

The top 5 were:

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 4:55.177 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 4:57.579 405
David Murry, Royal Ford
3 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 4:58.435 400
Paul Gerrard,
4 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:01.142 395
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
5 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 5:01.972 390
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore


The ones that matter ;) :

16 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:22.675 335
John Bender, Reed Kryder

46 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:47.444 185
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

72 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia


The Lincoln is slipping and I'm starting to wonder if the guys in the #44 CTS-V can drive...
Does anyone know what modifications have been done, if anything, to the competing CTS-Vs?

Heartland Park - Round 4 - Drag Race

The top 5:


1 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 0:12.179 410
Paul Gerrard,
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 0:12.202 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 6 Ford Mustang SSGT2 BB 0:12.366 400
Danny Schlickenmeyer, David Lillard
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 0:12.560 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 0:12.645 390
David Murry, Royal Ford


The ones that matter:

28 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 0:14.102 275
John Bender, Reed Kryder

34 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 0:14.434 245
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

73 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

It looks like Team Lincoln dropped out of the event... :(
Also, what is up with the V times? The 3.6L V6 CTS could run down the strip that fast. We should be seeing 13's.

Heartland Park - Round 5 - Bracket Racing

The top 5 were:

1 94 Buick Ranier CXL S U V 410
Fay Teal, C. David Teal, Ronald Pizor
2 14 BMW M5 Luxury Sed 405
Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes, Nancy Becker
3 39 Subaru WRX MidPri Sed 400
Blake Fuller, Peter Fuller
4 15 Porsche 911 Vint For 395
Glen Clarke, Louis Frlan III
5 71 Nissan Sentra Econo Car 390
Mike Roberts, Jonathan Faught, Scott Faught
5 70 Dodge Neon Econo Car 390
Dale Seeley, Jamin Cummings, Dunnie Morgan
5 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 390
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
5 58 Infinity G35X MidPri Sed 390
Dan Schaut, Stan Milam
5 82 Chevy S 10 S U V 390
Glen Dodd, Charles Lovelady, Michael Stein MD


The ones that matter:

7 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 380
John Bender, Reed Kryder

8 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 375
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

The Lincoln LS didn't compete again...

Heartland Park - Round 5 - Bracket Racing

The top 5 were:

1 94 Buick Ranier CXL S U V 410
Fay Teal, C. David Teal, Ronald Pizor
2 14 BMW M5 Luxury Sed 405
Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes, Nancy Becker
3 39 Subaru WRX MidPri Sed 400
Blake Fuller, Peter Fuller
4 15 Porsche 911 Vint For 395
Glen Clarke, Louis Frlan III
5 71 Nissan Sentra Econo Car 390
Mike Roberts, Jonathan Faught, Scott Faught
5 70 Dodge Neon Econo Car 390
Dale Seeley, Jamin Cummings, Dunnie Morgan
5 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 390
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
5 58 Infinity G35X MidPri Sed 390
Dan Schaut, Stan Milam
5 82 Chevy S 10 S U V 390
Glen Dodd, Charles Lovelady, Michael Stein MD


The ones that matter:

7 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 380
John Bender, Reed Kryder

8 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 375
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

The Lincoln LS didn't compete again...

I believe the LS was having over heating problems. When they installed the Roush motor they kept the LS radiator so I'm thinking it's not cooling right.

I believe the LS was having over heating problems. When they installed the Roush motor they kept the LS radiator so I'm thinking it's not cooling right.

Will it be back then, or does not competing disqualify it? Also, can the cars be modified midway through the series?

thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.

thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.

It's not the Jag motor.

"" Specification:
*2004 Roush 4.6L 2V Stage 3
* Supercharger: Roush M-90 with air to liquid intercooler at 10 psi of boost
* Headers: Ford Motor-Sport stainless steel
* Horsepower / Torque: 430 Hp @ 5250 rpm / 430 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm (Est.)""

thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.

didnt they put a 4.6? the ls already comes with a 3.9 :steering

The reason sometimes people go for something like a 2v vs a 4 or 5 valve or a sohc or ohv vs a dohc is simplicity. The technologies can be more efficent and provide more power but are also more complicated. Also many of those "h.o." motors are also higher maintnance. I.e. the yamaha motor in the sho's are supposed to have the lifters checked and if needed reshimmed at 60k as well as a timing belt is also a good idea around that mileage as well on that type of engine. Not necessary but a good idea. Or the northstar cadi uses is a nice, powerful motor, but may shops won't work on it due to its complication.

didnt they put a 4.6? the ls already comes with a 3.9 :steering

the ls does come with a 3.9, but if lincoln is putting in wrong sized radiators i dont think they could handle tweaking the 3.9. So why not throw in something someone else has already tweaked. I think thats the motor in the roush stage 3 mustang.

Whoops, I've been slacking on the updates. Here is what has been happening all week:

Round 6 - Pike's Peak International #1

The top five were:
1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 3:08.535 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 3:11.227 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 3:12.483 400
David Murry, Royal Ford
4 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 3:14.042 395
Paul Gerrard,
5 25 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 3:16.859 390
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran



Our guys:

40 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:40.708 215
John Bender, Reed Kryder

43 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:43.532 200
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

71 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 7 - Pike's Peak International #2

And look! Lincoln managed to drag their sorry arses back for round 7! :p

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 3:09.102 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 3:10.657 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 3:12.200 400
Paul Gerrard,
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 3:13.478 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 3:14.415 390
David Murry, Royal Ford




33 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:39.250 250
John Bender, Reed Kryder

36 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:40.932 235
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

47 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 3:44.726 180
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 8 - Sear's Point

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 9:24.454 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 9:24.701 405
David Murry, Royal Ford
3 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 9:27.424 400
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
4 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 9:37.027 395
Paul Gerrard,
5 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 9:40.491 390
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore

For some reason, I can't find the second CTS-V in the standings. It isn't even in the DNS/DNF list... :?

20 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 10:25.753 315
John Bender, Reed Kryder

41 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 11:13.928 210
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 9 - Las Vegas #1

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 5:31.034 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:32.299 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:38.932 400
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:39.699 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:40.610 390
Paul Gerrard,


15 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:01.571 340
John Bender, Reed Kryder

34 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:31.669 245
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

37 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 6:34.447 230
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 10 - Las Vegas #2

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 5:30.548 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:31.153 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:38.347 400
David Murry, Royal Ford
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:40.883 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:41.624 390
Paul Gerrard,



14 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:06.003 345
John Bender, Reed Kryder

32 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:26.974 255
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

39 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 6:32.054 220
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia


Where they are at this point in the over-all point standings so far(out of 82 cars):

20 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3030 <--- #4 in it's class (behind 2 M5s and an Audi)
John Bender, Reed Kryder

33 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 2370
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

66 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 1330
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 11 - Pueblo #1

1 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:13.814 410
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
2 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:15.597 405
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
3 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 5:16.135 400
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:20.288 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:20.687 390
Paul Gerrard,



18 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:45.627 325
John Bender, Reed Kryder

35 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:08.093 240
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

36 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 6:09.606 235
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Is that a rivalry shaping up there? :F

Round 12 - Pueblo #2

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 5:11.173 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:13.688 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:14.690 400
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:17.696 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:18.910 390
Paul Gerrard,




16 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:41.749 335
John Bender, Reed Kryder

31 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 5:58.914 260
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia :steering

39 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 6:06.041 220
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin :Bang

Round 13 - Hallett #1 Time Trial

1 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 4:15.241 410
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
2 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 4:21.956 405
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
3 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 4:22.052 400
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 4:26.442 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 4:26.752 390
Paul Gerrard,





15 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 4:44.021 340
John Bender, Reed Kryder

33 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 4:58.301 250
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

41 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:08.829 210
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin :Bang

It would almost be better for car #44 to drop out than to allow this humiliation to continue... :N

Round 14 - Hallett #2 Time Trial

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 4:22.501 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 4:26.228 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 4:26.939 400
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 4:30.205 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 4:31.596 390
Paul Gerrard,




14 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 4:47.051 345
John Bender, Reed Kryder

These guys seem to stay right around that ranking pretty steadily. :Beer

27 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 5:01.659 280
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

31 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:05.304 260
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin :Bang <----- head starting to hurt
Okay, you two can stop playing around with that LS anytime now...

Round 15 - Road America #1

1 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 7:59.707 410
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
2 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 8:02.527 405
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
3 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 8:04.883 400
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 8:11.316 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 8:14.374 390
Ronald Adee, patrick adee


Ours:

14 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 8:44.379 345
John Bender, Reed Kryder

26 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 9:16.080 285
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

38 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 9:28.994 225
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia :F

I guess I can recall the hitmen now... Car #44 has been granted a reprieve.

Round 16 - Road America #2

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 7:51.266 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 7:58.559 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 7:58.893 400
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
4 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 8:01.055 395
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 8:04.001 390
David Murry, Royal Ford

I must say, these are some impressive cars here at the top (including that 'Formula One1500' ;) ). I really would to have liked to see stock versions competing better though... Why must every series allow modifications? I want real-world cars, dammit!

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On to the ones that matter:

What happened here?! Rank 54 for the #43 car?! :eek:

27 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 9:16.408 280
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

54 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 10:02.488 145
John Bender, Reed Kryder

60 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 10:26.871 115
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

Round 15 - Road America #1

1 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 7:59.707 410
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
2 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 8:02.527 405
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
3 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 8:04.883 400
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore
4 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 8:11.316 395
David Murry, Royal Ford
5 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 8:14.374 390
Ronald Adee, patrick adee


Ours:

14 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 8:44.379 345
John Bender, Reed Kryder

26 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 9:16.080 285
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

38 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 9:28.994 225
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia :F

I guess I can recall the hitmen now... Car #44 has been granted a reprieve.


I guess the Lincoln team has learned a valuable lesson. Finish no matter what. Had they not missed three events they would easily been ahead if not neck and neck with the CTS's. The LS is strong and running good. They fixed their cooling problem after they blew the first engine. They were running a radiator too small for the 4.6L monster. This is good stuff for Lincoln. It's getting a lot of press especially on Ford's main website and Lincoln Vehicles main site. Also, these guys haven't had sleep for three days so I bet they are slowing down but they are definitely doing a great job.

Go TEAM LS!

The results nearing the end of the series:

Luxury Sed Cumulative Class Points as of Fri May 07 15:50:55 2004
Page 1
Results sorted by position
Pos Car # Vehicle Class Pts O/A Pts

1 14 BMW M5 620 5655
Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes, Nancy Becker
2 43 Cadillac CTS-V 445 4865
John Bender, Reed Kryder
3 47 BMW M5 445 5130
Chad Milliman, Mark Reuter, Rick Shopp
4 42 Audi S-4 430 4595
Norman Bab, Michael Bab
5 17 Mercedes E55 AMG 400 4915
Tony Swan, Mary Seelhorst, Jim McCraw
6 44 Cadillic CTS-V 245 3865
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin
7 45 Audi S4 230 3550
J.D. King, John King
8 46 Mercedes S55 Kompressor 75 1205
Jim McClelland, Carter McClelland

:C



MidPri Sed Cumulative Class Points as of Fri May 07 15:50:55 2004
Page 1
Results sorted by position
Pos Car # Vehicle Class Pts O/A Pts

1 49 Mitsubishi Evo 1280 5955
Paul Gerrard,
2 39 Subaru WRX 1280 5915
Blake Fuller, Peter Fuller
3 55 Subaru Praxis Systems 1150 5270
Enrique Ramirez, Michael Potter, Shawn Meze
4 53 Subaru Praxis Systems 1015 4640
Andrew Firestone, Adam Firestone
5 58 Infinity G35X 955 4170
Dan Schaut, Stan Milam
6 51 Volvo 740 Sedan 725 3235
William Cook, Mike Hurst, Jon Dega
7 52 BMW 318i 710 3155
Bill Arnold, Tamara Hull, Derek Arnold
8 73 subaru WRX 695 2795
Benjamin Lesnak, Stephen R. Lesnak
9 62 BMW 328i 685 2690
Matthew Zekauskas, Pete Zekauskas
10 56 Dodge Neon SRT4 620 2490
Dan Neal, John Cascella
11 67 Chevy Impala 620 2330
Nick Lengyel, Greg Nelis
12 59 Lincoln LS 620 2695
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia
13 66 Chevy Caprice 490 1810
Michael Demers, Richard Wells, Jon Martin
14 57 Mitsubishi EVO 395 1660
Michael Bernauer, Michael Banks
15 69 Chevrolet Impalla SS 190 720
Howard LaFever, Mark Grzella, David Campbell
16 61 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.3-16 55 205
Michael Sokalsky, Richard A. Kessler, Eliot Sokalsky
17 50 Mercedes 190 HO 45 135
Toby Milne, Michael Curcio


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I guess the Lincoln team has learned a valuable lesson. Finish no matter what. Had they not missed three events they would easily been ahead if not neck and neck with the CTS's. The LS is strong and running good. They fixed their cooling problem after they blew the first engine. They were running a radiator too small for the 4.6L monster. This is good stuff for Lincoln. It's getting a lot of press especially on Ford's main website and Lincoln Vehicles main site. Also, these guys haven't had sleep for three days so I bet they are slowing down but they are definitely doing a great job.

Go TEAM LS!


It had three runs that it did better than one of the V's throughout the whole season. Other than the wet skidpad and whatever happened at the second Road America event, it never came close to the #43 CTS-V. The few races it missed wouldn't have helped that dramatically, I'm afraid.

Also, I don't believe that I mentioned before, but both CTS-V's were running without being able to switch the car into competition mode(it has multiple performance settings). This may explain the lack-luster 1/4 mile and track times.

It had three runs that it did better than one of the V's throughout the whole season. Other than the wet skidpad and whatever happened at the second Road America event, it never came close to the #43 CTS-V. The few races it missed wouldn't have helped that dramatically, I'm afraid.

Also, I don't believe that I mentioned before, but both CTS-V's were running without being able to switch the car into competition mode(it has multiple performance settings). This may explain the lack-luster 1/4 mile and track times.

I disagree. The CTS V is a strong car but it's hard to go head to head when Team LS didn't run for three events. Also, it's a time event anyway so track conditions can vary instantly. Have you seen the in board video feed from the LLSOC Mirror site? This will show the track conditions that the LS faced. I don't know what it was like for the CTS Teams. Also, the CTS teams have professional drivers if I'm not mistaken. The LS team has three Ford engineers driving. Experience is the key to this format of racing.

Just to interject -


THIS is EXACTLY the kind of posting I was hoping for when I created this site!!!!!!!

BRAVO GUYS (and girl) !!!

Just to interject -


THIS is EXACTLY the kind of posting I was hoping for when I created this site!!!!!!!

BRAVO GUYS (and girl) !!!

It's a good topic but just trying to point out that it's apples and oranges in comparison.

Rock on! :give

Final Event - Round 17 - Dry Skid Pad

1 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 1.075 G 410
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore
2 25 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 1.059 G 405
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran
3 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 1.056 G 400
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
4 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 1.042 G 395
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 1.034 G 390
David Murry, Royal Ford







16 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 0.953 G 335
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

22 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 0.941 G 305
John Bender, Reed Kryder

40 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 0.890 G 215
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin






Final Standings:

17 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5170
John Bender, Reed Kryder

33 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 4080
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

49 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 3030
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

I disagree. The CTS V is a strong car but it's hard to go head to head when Team LS didn't run for three events.

If you take away the CTS-V's scores from the 3 events that the LS missed (so you're only looking at the events they all competed in), the point totals are:

4345 - #43 CTS-V

3450 - #44 CTS-V

3030 - #59 LS

It was still beat by 2 cars that were closer to stock and who could not shift into competition mode. :p

:V


I do agree with you that they are not in the same class though. ;)

Gothicaleigh... I know your handle must mean something?

I went to one of the races and I know that the boys were trying to "save" the equipment...(they didnt want to blow engine #2!)

I think that even though the LS placed 3rd in our little American sedan game here, it sure was fun and I do believe that the LS platform with the aid of a manual trans next time around (I hope) could give the Vs even more competition.

Moreover I REALLY wish this OLOA experience will convince Ford LM to BUILD THE DAMN CAR!!!! They can't let Cadillac have ALL the fun :)
:V

exactly, they need to let SVT tear into an LS

ok maybe a dumb question but what exactly is this race about. do they actuall y go across america. what consist in the race. is there any where to see videos of the cars.

The Ford/Lincoln engineers campaigned the OLOA LS for 04 and 05 seasons. The course changes every year. The LLSOC helped finance and promote the team. It was GREAT fun while it lasted!
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/

Somewhere between March and August 06 the last LS will be built.

What could have been a great start for Lincoln was squandered because management just did not get it...and they STILL don't!
They would not keep developing the car.

I still get folks asking me what that cool car is I'm driving!
They spent and are STILL spending huge on their money-losing european brands.

Jaguar= Georgeous = money down the drain.... and it affects the whole Ford product line.

The Mustang is the ONLY winner... SUVs are on their asses and they have to build 3 rebadged Mazdas in Mexico for crying out loud!

Am I crazy? Or is Ford management crazy??

Am I crazy? Or is Ford management crazy??
Jay,

Ford managment is crazy and will be like GM shortly.... :Bang

Hi Ken,

I'm originally from Suburban Detroit and it really sickens me to see these developments!

How's the LS parts biz going?

Hi Ken,

I'm originally from Suburban Detroit and it really sickens me to see these developments!

How's the LS parts biz going?
Doing pretty good. Just working away at it. Good to see you here!

Jaguar= Georgeous = money down the drain.... and it affects the whole Ford product line.
Yeah, shame on Ford, wasting all that money on a company that's a leader in building aluminum-intensive vehicles. If they'd never bought Jaguar, we wouldn't have to worry about this forum, because the LS wouldn't exist as we know it. From its Jaguar AJ-V8-derived V8 to its aluminum skin to its suspension, the DEW-98 cars had not-insignificant design input from Jaguar. What a horrible investment. :waving:

The Mustang is the ONLY winner...
Umm, have you looked at the F-series Trucks lately? For the last, oh, twenty years or so? Those aren't exactly money losers.

Big trucks and big SUVs have all been hit hard recently.

I found that we could tow a 4500 lb boat and all kinds of stuff through the mountains of California with a Honda Pilot! We get double the mileage of our old Suburban... and around town it is much more livable and much more affordable to run and own!,,,Go figure?!?

The Lincoln folks had a contract with a Michigan manufacturer to handle the aluminum body work on the LS hood, front fenders and trunklid. Lincoln used aluminum before Jaguar did.

The all-aluminum XJ came later..... But it still looked the same as the OLD model!! What were they thinking??:eek:

Jag has been using aluminum body panels since before WWII, so I don' think you can say that Lincoln was using them first. And just because Lincoln outsourced the production of the aluminum panels doesn't mean that Jaguar's experience wasn't used in the pre-production design. (Their influence may not be as much as I understand it to be, though.)

The all-aluminum XJ did come later, but it looks substantially like the previous version because that's what Jaguar buyers expect of the XJs. Their styling really hasn't changed all that much in the last, well, ever. ;)

Just found this:
A History of Aluminum-Intensive Cars
Though the new XJ is a series production first for Jaguar, the company has a history of creating specialized aluminum-intensive vehicles, from the original XK 120 sports car of 1948, through the C-Type and lightweight E-Type of the 1950s and 1960s, to the XJ 220 supercar of the early 1990s. Additionally, aluminum components have been incorporated in a number of recent production Jaguar cars, primarily for powertrain and suspension applications.

“For Alcan, the new XJ represents the culmination of two decades of automotive research and development, much of it in partnership with Jaguar.”

—Alcan President and CEO Travis Engen

Sales of two of Jaguar's more recent entries—the S-type and X-type—point to the success of the automaker's product-led approach. Since 1998, Jaguar's worldwide sales have doubled, topping 100,000 for the first time in 2001. Jaguar sales have increased an additional 63 percent through the first eight months of 2002 and, together with Land Rover, has been the fastest-growing brand in the U.S. this year.

As the flagship, the new XJ will be counted on to continue Jaguar's impressive sales performance when it comes onto the market in 2003. A favorable response from U.S. customers, who comprise about 60 percent of the XJ market, will be critical to the model's success.

And behind it all, a keen observer will be Jaguar's parent company—the Ford Motor Company—which, if all goes well with the XJ, just might think a bit harder about working aluminum more aggressively into its other production cars.
-- http://www.aluminum.org/ANTemplate.cfm?IssueDate=11/01/2002&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=7134

I remember the cowl on my old Austin Healy 3000 was aluminum.

It was so fragile that an errant elbow while servicing would leave a dimple in the metal. I wish the rest of the car were of aluminum because that thing rusted right before your eyes!.... I remember seeing the highway THROUGH the floor!

I recall an old XK 120 being rusted real bad in the Detroit area.... It also could have used aluminum.

The AC Cobra was aluminum bodied (but not the frame)

The new Z06 Corvette has an all-new aluminum frame with a plastic body.

Aluminum is good stuff. The alternative to more horsepower and bigger wheels and tires.:)