My opinion is slowly dropping towards hating the car. The more I look at it, the worse it gets. You really have to get the right wheels etc. for it to look semi decent. The only good thing I see coming out of it is the computer crack so we can get some damn s/c's. Maybe some other products will follow.

I know, the wheel suck big dogie style. I can't believe they put them on. I have yet to see aftermarket wheels on the 05' Mustang, though. . .

I really wanted that 2005 Mustang and settled on the LS...due to lack of funds. I will say that most of them are lacking a little something. I believe with just a few slight visual mods that they could be awesome. I test drove one and thought it would drive like my LS. It actually felt a little softer...HOWEVER, I did have a friend with me as well as the salesperson, so that would effect the handling. If I had been driving my Ranger or some other car, I might have been more impressed with the '05 handling and noise level. Oh...the interior looks cheap to me also. I like the interior of my '95 better.

I drove my friends '95 Cobra yesterday and it felt like a big Buick after driving my LS. I was surprised at that. I guess those suspension mods I did to my Mustang really did make a difference, as my LS feels a little big after driving it. It's easy to forget and not appreciate the handling ability of the LS.

I plan on getting an '05 or '06 Mustang in the next year or so, but we'll see how the LS does in that time. I may keep it instead.

The 05 GTs are slow too, my friends 98 gt is faster.. I thought it was supposed to be quicker..... But they look a little plain stock. This guy in an 05 down the street always reves his engine next to me and its silly, its a v6 and he gets smoked every time... http://www.aoforums.com/forums/images/smilies/ah1.gif

The 05 GTs are slow too, my friends 98 gt is faster.. I thought it was supposed to be quicker..... But they look a little plain stock. This guy in an 05 down the street always reves his engine next to me and its silly, its a v6 and he gets smoked every time... http://www.aoforums.com/forums/images/smilies/ah1.gif

The '98 GT is one of the slower Mustangs produced. I have driven both and I can tell you the '05 GT will smoke it badly. Either the '05 is a V6 or the '98 has been modified. The 4.6 wasn't really worth a crap until '99 and I personally have only liked the Bullitt version and the '05 Mustang. At least they have some torque in the street driving range. The Cobra engines produce HP but you really had to rev them to get power out.

The '98 GT is one of the slower Mustangs produced. I have driven both and I can tell you the '05 GT will smoke it badly. Either the '05 is a V6 or the '98 has been modified. The 4.6 wasn't really worth a crap until '99 and I personally have only liked the Bullitt version and the '05 Mustang. At least they have some torque in the street driving range. The Cobra engines produce HP but you really had to rev them to get power out.

Well they still aren't that fast.
Heh ya its a modded 98'.
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The 05 GTs are slow too, my friends 98 gt is faster.. I thought it was supposed to be quicker..... But they look a little plain stock. This guy in an 05 down the street always reves his engine next to me and its silly, its a v6 and he gets smoked every time... http://www.aoforums.com/forums/images/smilies/ah1.gif
This is nonsense. The new '05 GTs run low- to mid-13s in the 1/4 mile. Your friend's '98 would've been luck to run high 14s stock. Road and Track tested an '05 V6 automatic convertible, and it ran a 15.1 1/4 mile, i.e. faster than an '00-'02 LS.

Your neighbor's V6 Mustang would certainly smoke your LS.

The 05 GTs are slow too, my friends 98 gt is faster.. I thought it was supposed to be quicker..... But they look a little plain stock. This guy in an 05 down the street always reves his engine next to me and its silly, its a v6 and he gets smoked every time... http://www.aoforums.com/forums/images/smilies/ah1.gif

nice! but is probably due to the drivers inexperience.

300 hp isnt making low to mid 13's, ill give it high 13s
i hate to say it considering im part ford, but ford motors suck

the v6 makes 210hp and 240 tq, i cant see that running 15.1
the 98 gt has 225 tq and 300-some tq and its running around 15.1-15.3

I hate the plain v6's. I've seen a few 6's and 8's w/ kits and rims and they do not looked bad. This one dealer here has a black v6 but man oh man does it look F****** sweet. If it was a 5-speed I would of probably tried for it, but almost 30k for a v6 stang auto :slam

This other dealer had a gt that was lowered, rims, kit, tint and a few other things and it was sold. Price of it was almost $43,000.

What are the specs of the v6's and v8's anyway?

I hate the plain v6's. I've seen a few 6's and 8's w/ kits and rims and they do not looked bad. This one dealer here has a black v6 but man oh man does it look F****** sweet. If it was a 5-speed I would of probably tried for it, but almost 30k for a v6 stang auto :slam

This other dealer had a gt that was lowered, rims, kit, tint and a few other things and it was sold. Price of it was almost $43,000.

What are the specs of the v6's and v8's anyway?


good grief. wait a year and the owners will be sick of them and come in behind them and buy them for a song. Are they really getting 34k for the V6?

the v6 makes 210hp and 240 tq, i cant see that running 15.1
the 98 gt has 225 tq and 300-some tq and its running around 15.1-15.3

the V6 sees that at the fly wheel not the rear wheel. at the rear wheel it is about 155/165 for the V6.

good grief. wait a year and the owners will be sick of them and come in behind them and buy them for a song. Are they really getting 34k for the V6?

I'll wait even longer, I do not plan on getting one. They are everywhere now.

The highest priced v6 I saw was the black one I mentioned. Highest v8 was the gt I mentioned aswell, its quite rediculous imo.

yeah I am gonna ride this pony till the wheels fall off. I had leased a 350z to have some fun in for a while. It went back at the end of february. What a a fun time we had with it. I might consider buying one used in another 2 years but for now I return to mild mannered dad.

I still have my wifes 03 3.5 SE Altima. I am going to get some good rubber on that car and stretch it out for a while. The joker has great dig out power but breaks traction way to easy on stock tires.

I do not mind the 350z's too much, but would rather have Infinite's G35 Coupe, I just love the look of those much more.

I would rather have neither!

I would much rather save a little more than the price of the new Mustang convertible and buy the new Lotus Elise.

I would much rather save a little more than the price of the new Mustang convertible and buy the new Lotus Elise.


well now were are talkin exotics. I wouldnt mind the car but you think maintenance cost on teh LS is bad. I don't think anyone could keep that car as a daily driver.

Geez, the old V6es dynoed at 155-165 at the rear wheels. The new ones are supposedly in the neighborhood of 190 RWHP.

As far as the times I stated, I'm just regurgitating what's in this month's Road and Track:
'05 V6 automatic convertible: 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mile in 15.1@92.7
'05 V8 manual coupe: 0-60 in 4.9, 1/4 mile in 13.5@102.4

Geez, the old V6es dynoed at 155-165 at the rear wheels. The new ones are supposedly in the neighborhood of 190 RWHP.

As far as the times I stated, I'm just regurgitating what's in this month's Road and Track:
'05 V6 automatic convertible: 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mile in 15.1@92.7
'05 V8 manual coupe: 0-60 in 4.9, 1/4 mile in 13.5@102.4

Yeah that is what mine dyno'd at. I have the paper in the car to prove it; I don't take it out becasue it is embarassing but if you want I will scan it for you.

:)

You have a V6 Mustang? I've had three, the last being an '00 auto vert, which the LS replaced. I think mine would've dynoed a lot less than that...it ran 17.1xx all day long...great car for bracket racing, though.

www.v6power.net

the V6 sees that at the fly wheel not the rear wheel. at the rear wheel it is about 155/165 for the V6.

I know, i'm not dumb.

I would much rather save a little more than the price of the new Mustang convertible and buy the new Lotus Elise.


Talked to some guy about it, cramped as :q and rides like a :q in' golf cart, you feel every nook and cranny in the road

If you want a 13 second v8 car, don't get a new boat mustang. Get a camaro z28 or ss. SS s/c'd > 2004 Cobra, any day

Pricing for the New Mustang

V6 Fully Loaded $25,775.00

Exterior Sport Appearance Package $295.00 $263.00
- Rear Spoiler
- Lower Bodyside Sport Tape Stripe in White, Black or Pearl Gold

o Interior Upgrade Package $450.00 $401.00
- Satin Aluminum Finish Instrument Panel Appliqué - Ribbed Pattern
- Special New Bright Polished Six-Gauge Cluster with MyColor Feature and Message Center
- Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel with Satin Aluminum Spokes
- Satin Aluminum-Plated Shift Lever with Automatic Transmission
- Bright Polished Register Rings and Leather-Wrapped Sport Shift Knob for Manual Transmission
- Satin Aluminum-Plated Door Handles
- Satin Aluminum Door Sill Scuff Plate with Bright MUSTANG Lettering Insert
- Dark Charcoal Aberdeen Pattern Front Door Panel Inserts

o Shaker 1000 Audio System - AM/FM Stereo w/In-Dash CDx6, MP3 & 10- Audiophile Speakers $1,295.00 $1,153.00
o Verona Grain Leather-Trimmed Bucket Seats $695.00 $619.00
o Wheel Locking Kits $50.00 $45.00
o Active Anti-Theft System $255.00 $227.00
o Anti-Lock Brakes w/Traction Control $775.00 $690.00
o Front Seat Side-Mounted Air Bags $370.00 $329.00
o 5R55S 5-Speed Automatic Transmission $995.00 $886.00

V6 Base $19,770.00


V8 Loaded $30,360.00

Options:

o Interior Upgrade Package $450.00 $401.00
- Satin Aluminum Finish Instrument Panel Appliqué - Ribbed Pattern
- Special New Bright Polished Six-Gauge Cluster with MyColor Feature and Message Center
- Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel with Satin Aluminum Spokes
- Satin Aluminum-Plated Shift Lever with Automatic Transmission
- Bright Polished Register Rings and Leather-Wrapped Sport Shift Knob for Manual Transmission
- Satin Aluminum-Plated Door Handles
- Satin Aluminum Door Sill Scuff Plate with Bright MUSTANG Lettering Insert
- Dark Charcoal Aberdeen Pattern Front Door Panel Inserts

o Shaker 1000 Audio System - AM/FM Stereo w/In-Dash CDx6, MP3 & 10-Audiophile Speakers $1,295.00 $1,153.00
o 17" Bright Machined Cast Aluminum Wheels $195.00 $174.00
o Wheel Locking Kits $50.00 $45.00
o Active Anti-Theft System $255.00 $227.00
o Front Seat Side-Mounted Air Bags $370.00 $329.00
o Spoiler Delete Option no charge
o 5R55S 5-Speed Automatic Transmission $995.00 $886.00


V8 Base $25,570.00


Again that was

V6 Loaded $25,775.00
V6 Base $19,770.00
V8 Loaded $30,360.00
V8 Base $25,570.00

I have no Idea where you guys are getting $43,000 when a fully loaded V8 is $13,000 less than that, per the "Build your Ford" website.

The reason they are so plain jane is because the designers designed this car knowing that all mustang owners love to customize their cars. That is why at SEMA it was awarded the most customizable car award, or something to that effect. Haven't you guys seen any of the suped up versions of it by Roush, Saleen, or any other big nameplate like that? They are meant to be tinkered with.

By the way, camaros suck, I have never ridden in a bigger rattlebox than the Z28 or "TransAm Clone". My friend has one.

One thing that does make them look damn good is the racing stripe. Until they make some custom hoods with scoops in them (Like the concept) I will have somewhat of a problem with them, but for now, I think they look really good.

TownCar97 :L

I got the almost 30K for the v6 because that was the price on the window sticker for that car and the same goes for the v8, window sticker was almost at 43K. Trust me, I was like :q . I do not think some of the stuff on them was off the "build your own."

Probably the Buyer who got the v8 had them do more than what the opinions had or its because people are dumb here and well pay anything for the latest.

The other day I was looking at an '02 LS, same color as mine and everything but rims and rear spoiler, and mine was nicer alround and they said w/ a straight face, $22,995! It had 47K miles too.

I got mine after being upside down on trade-in (3K I believe) for $24, car was priced at $21,995 and had only 29,7XX miles. They finally lowered the price but that was a pathetic attempt, anyone w/ a right mind at what type of car would of did what I did, and that was laugh and walk away.

Heck, there is a peelude, whoops, I mean prelude for sale for almst 25 grand, just cause it has a few engine mods and a kit w/ stupid decals. Car is pretty slow because I kept w/ them along time ago in my econobox cavalier ecotec :bash: . Some people...

:I ...two posts up. No real price raping here on the GTs..because there are none on the lots...besides a used red GT that will never sell as he is asking more than they cost new.

We all have our own taste. The thing with the Mustang is that you don't buy it for what it can do from the factory. You buy it to make what you want of it. I was wanting 350 rwhp from my Mustang and wanted a lot of torque. I wanted it to handle and I wanted a certain look to it. ..and yes I know my web page sucks.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dperuski/95gts/index.htm

I still like the 2005 Mustang and have only seen 3 GTs around in my area. I do see a few Lincoln LSs every day, but it is not making me want to get rid of mine.

Yea I see tons of LS's around here aswell, but its cool because we all get w/ one another.

I'm not trying to sound like the mustang is bad, its really good. I mean they really got it right. I was just saying that the v6 plain stangs are not too attractive to me, but it is its first year, long ways to go.

..and yes I know my web page sucks.

Actually,

I really liked your webpage

TownCar97 :L

Actually,

I really liked your webpage

TownCar97 :L

I appreciate that. I work in the computer field and people ask me why I don't re-design it to a more current style. :) I just wanted the car info out there.

Actually,

I really liked your webpage

TownCar97 :L

I agree. Great job. Very clean and readable.

05 GTs around here are selling for $27,000 +... The exterior design is nice w/ upgraded wheels, but what seriously lacks is the interior quality... It feels and looks very cheap.. I thought I was back in my 2000 v6 Camaro and the blind spots were a little annoying. The GTs that I saw do not come w/ a trunk release and/or fuel tank release inside the car. The fuel tank door flips open w/out a locking mechanism (again like a stripped down GM).

13.5's in the quarter? MMFF pulled that time with a professional driver. Most drivers on the 05 GT forums are averaging a 13.8 - 14.2. For modding, you can quickly get the car in the high 12's.

However, if I want something quick, inexpensive to modify and run reliably in the low 12's, then a low mile 1998 + Camaro/Trans Am is the way to go...

I don’t think you can knock the exterior aesthetics but the interior cheap factor has been a problem with mustangs for a long time. The absences of a trunk and fuel door latch although not a big problem does detract from the overall quality of the vehicle.

The cost is not the problem unless you start comparing it to other cars on the market; then the car falls to 2nd, 3rd...

Friend of mine bought a 2005 mustang GT 5 speed fully loaded for 28,000. I kinda like em. Like what they did with the gauge cluster xcept the whole concept of being able to change it 500 colors or whatever i think thats kinda dumb but some people want red some blue some yellow some green.. lol

LSBIT,

I like the page too, and my hat's off to you for the Kennebell Charger! My cousin had 65k miles on the blower and still running strong. You're making about 8 pounds of boost? Those are music to my ears...

You know how many of these things will be available in '07 comin off a lease?
I only like the GT... They rest look like they're missing something. Yeah the inside
looks kind of weak. But hey its a muscle car not luxo cruiser! Overall, Very Cool car.

You know how many of these things will be available in '07 comin off a lease?
I only like the GT... They rest look like they're missing something. Yeah the inside
looks kind of weak. But hey its a muscle car not luxo cruiser! Overall, Very Cool car.

yeah and the aftermarket will have already risen to the demand and refined the parts. The V6 definitely looks much different but I would have never considered buying a V6 stang. V6's are best suited for light sedans and small imports.

My wife wanted a stang when she was shopping back in 03 and I refused to sign on for the V6 model she wanted. Lukily the interiror was more plain than vanilla and she talked herself out of it.

LSBIT,

I like the page too, and my hat's off to you for the Kennebell Charger! My cousin had 65k miles on the blower and still running strong. You're making about 8 pounds of boost? Those are music to my ears...

Thanks. When I got that Kenne Bell, they still weren't very popular, which was cool. I have 3 pulleys, but usually just use the one that gives me 8#s. I have been to 10 before with no problems, but there is no need to use it without slicks around here anyway. The 1/8 mi tracks stink here.

By the way, camaros suck, I have never ridden in a bigger rattlebox than the Z28 or "TransAm Clone". My friend has one.

One thing that does make them look damn good is the racing stripe. Until they make some custom hoods with scoops in them (Like the concept) I will have somewhat of a problem with them, but for now, I think they look really good.

TownCar97 :L


Camaros suck? Is that why they run chevy motors in mustangs but not vice versa?

Camaros suck? Is that why they run chevy motors in mustangs but not vice versa?

I doubt it. I think that the Chevy guys have these engines laying around but no cool cars to put them in, so they start finding Fords.

I doubt it. I think that the Chevy guys have these engines laying around but no cool cars to put them in, so they start finding Fords.

This seems the more likely reason to me!

This seems the more likely reason to me!

Or the fact that chevy 350 motors have more potential than ford motors, more reliable, and cheaper parts.

Or the fact that chevy 350 motors have more potential than ford motors, more reliable, and cheaper parts.

:I

Hey those 05 camaros are great oh wait they don't have any 05,06 maybe an 07 camaro.

Camaros suck? Is that why they run chevy motors in mustangs but not vice versa?

Or the fact that chevy 350 motors have more potential than ford motors, more reliable, and cheaper parts.

Maybe in the 60's and 70's. No sense in bringing any of this up as anyone who has owned either knows the potential is endless for both.

I just hope Chevy can build a car for regular folks to buy that can compare or beat the Mustang. In order to actually build something that they can keep in production, it will have to appeal to a bigger crowd. I think if they came up with something new and ditch the Camaro name, they might be better off. The back of my hair is short, so in Knoxville, TN I am not allowed to drive one anyway. :)

So...the Mustang is the only American choice for most.

Ah.. C'mon.. the Mullet is still the cut of choice here in Pittsburgh... even if you don't have an IROC....

I dunno about the longevity of a Chevy engine over a Ford... I know they are certainly cheaper to build, just in shear volume.

Tell you what though, you build a truck, and I know this is the wrong forum for this, but I'll take a Ford powerplant over ANY Chevy displacement engine any day of the week. Maybe it's because I'm so sick of seeing guys put 350's in 1 ton trucks and wonder why they get 6 MPG and blow up in 20k. What's even more comical is that they rebuild again, THE SAME FREAKIN' WAY!!! :Bang

The back of my hair is short, so in Knoxville, TN I am not allowed to drive one anyway. :)

Classic.

302's are just as cheap to build as a sbc...though this is coming from a guy with a 10k dollar "302"

You have to give the mustang credit...pony cars have changed the auto industry, and will forever leave their mark. The 05's are receiving the same love it/hate it as every styling change since day one.

I'm a huge mustang fan, but wouldn't buy an 05 if given the chance. The fox bodies and sn95's are simple, cheap and effective cars...this new stuff is a little too hi-tech for the backyard wrench turner.

Here are the projects a few friends are working on
http://www.jmschip.com/bullet.php (my buddy Steve is driving in the video)
http://www.fordracingparts.com/builds/racingbuilds.asp?builderid=6&buildtype=1 Robin's NMRA Real Street '05

well now were are talkin exotics. I wouldnt mind the car but you think maintenance cost on teh LS is bad. I don't think anyone could keep that car as a daily driver.

Its a toyota motor so the mechanics of it would probably be more reliable than the LS.

Its a toyota motor so the mechanics of it would probably be more reliable than the LS.

good point.

302's cheap to build? I also had an est. $10,000 motor in my 91 notch, hence not cheap to build...

Let's just saying to hit 12's in the 1/4.

W/ the LS1 you have more cubes and are starting out w/ over 300 hp/tq, so right off the bat you are ahead of a 5.0 owner... Heck, we already know, on a 1998 + Z28 or TA you can add a steep gear, pullies, catback and stickies, and then you are there in the 12's... For us 5.0 guys we have to crack open the motor or add a power adder to reach those times. Unless you are building a replica Factory Stock class 5.0, you are not hitting 12's w/ bolt ons and even those guys add GT40 components and/or seriously work over the stock heads/intake (cracked open the motor).

However, in MMFF, it appears they got a 05 GT in the 12's with a computer tune, magnaflow mufflers, MT drag radials, 4.30 gear, QA1 shocks and pullies. No power adder and no cracking open the motor... which is nice...

302's cheap to build? I also had an est. $10,000 motor in my 91 notch, hence not cheap to build...

You need to do some research, or shop around. Hell, I am asking $10,000 for my entire car and other people have hit high 11's with my exact combo and I get about 20 mpg which is better than I am getting in my LS.

You can overpay for anything. If you can find a 302 for $10000 you can find a 350 for the same, somewhere.

I apologize to the person who started the thread.

302's are just as cheap to build as a sbc...though this is coming from a guy with a 10k dollar "302"

You have to give the mustang credit...pony cars have changed the auto industry, and will forever leave their mark. The 05's are receiving the same love it/hate it as every styling change since day one.

I'm a huge mustang fan, but wouldn't buy an 05 if given the chance. The fox bodies and sn95's are simple, cheap and effective cars...this new stuff is a little too hi-tech for the backyard wrench turner.

Here are the projects a few friends are working on
http://www.jmschip.com/bullet.php (my buddy Steve is driving in the video)
http://www.fordracingparts.com/builds/racingbuilds.asp?builderid=6&buildtype=1 Robin's NMRA Real Street '05



ok but a 10k 302 won't even touch a 10k 350

$10,000 on a 302 motor is very common, but it depends on what the car is used for and what class the car runs in...

DSS short block: $1500 + for a basic short block that the regular Joe buys, but we use a Dart block and extra light internals which is just over $6000, not including windage tray, 7 qt oil pan, high flow oil pump and pickup

Trick Flow TW heads: plus a stage 2 port job, and upgrade valve train to spin the motor beyond 7000 rpms w/out floating the valves - $3500

Holley intake w/ matching port job to the heads - just over $750

Custom cam - $350

hydraulic lifters, push rods, Comp rockers - just over $500

We are just over $10,000 and have not addressed the power pipe, Pro M, throttle body, egr plate, additional pumps, timing chain, distributor, ignition, Felpro gaskets, ARP bolts and all of the other nickel/diming that it takes to put it together.

If you want a 13 second v8 car, don't get a new boat mustang. Get a camaro z28 or ss. SS s/c'd > 2004 Cobra, any day

I know this is a VERY old thread...but I couldn't help myself.

F body is a great car Kdools...but I know of SEVERAL 03/04 Cobras that will gladly hand a s/c LS1 or 6 it's ass. All day long...any day. I know of several that will hand a modded Z06 it's ass. Stock for stock, they handle the standard C5 Corvette. Bang for the buck? You can't touch the Cobra. Period. And want performance per dollar with mods? The GM cars REALLY lose! It's so easy to get 500 rwhp out of these cars...with several running 600 rwhp. And these cars are totally streetable with impeccable manners.

Then again, I guess if you want a new car, it might be a little tough to get a new Camaro or Firebird, huh! They sold so well that GM quit making them!!

:Beer

All I am saying is that I would love to own the new 06 Ford Mustang GT 500 when they are availble. Oh Daddy would have to save some pennies but man o man that ride looks sweet.

-Scott-

ever heard the mustangs are like tampons?? joke

Horsepower TV blew up their LS1 Z28/TA or whatever. Watching them pull that engine (car from engine) was painful. How do you work on one of those with a regular garage? Same with the LS. How am I supposed to get this engine out? At least the last Mustang mishap they had was because it was stolen. :)

They blew it up? I thought they pulled it to do work because it needed to be pulled for it? Huh, I must of been watching the wrong show, I hate when that happens.

Or did they blow it at the end and have to re-pull it?

I know this is a VERY old thread...but I couldn't help myself.

F body is a great car Kdools...but I know of SEVERAL 03/04 Cobras that will gladly hand a s/c LS1 or 6 it's ass. All day long...any day. I know of several that will hand a modded Z06 it's ass. Stock for stock, they handle the standard C5 Corvette. Bang for the buck? You can't touch the Cobra. Period. And want performance per dollar with mods? The GM cars REALLY lose! It's so easy to get 500 rwhp out of these cars...with several running 600 rwhp. And these cars are totally streetable with impeccable manners.

Then again, I guess if you want a new car, it might be a little tough to get a new Camaro or Firebird, huh! They sold so well that GM quit making them!!

:Beer

I am sooo glad you brought this old thread up! Anyone who thinks that a supercharged LS1 Camaro will beat an 03-04 Cobra is smoking something. NONE of them are stock! The most boost you can run safely on a stock LS1 motor will be 6-8 lbs. The Cobra can easily handle over 20+ psi boost on a Kenne Bell. For a little more money than it takes to get the supercharger for the SS to just barely beat a pullied/chipped 03-04 Cobra, you can drop a KB on there and rip the other LS1 fellas paint off with the suction off the ass-end of the Cobra! KDOOLS, sorry dude but you dont seem to know your stuff when it comes to performance and vehicles. Now an LS1 with a decent shot of nitrous is something for a non-KB'ed Cobra to worry about. Chevy 350 is a great motor no doubt, but every brand has their easy power/cheaply modded engines. If anything besides a modular engine is getting dropped into mustangs, it is usually a fully built 302 or a 351 possibly stroked to 393 to make some really big power after throwing an F-1A or YS-trim on with a cog drive making 26 lbs boost. Most of us serious Ford fellas are sticking with modular and just going with fully forged internals and running a heck of alot of twinscrew boost on them to make up for, and surpass, other engines with more displacement. Sorry if any of my words run together, my spacebar is kinda broken.

They blew it up? I thought they pulled it to do work because it needed to be pulled for it? Huh, I must of been watching the wrong show, I hate when that happens.

Or did they blow it at the end and have to re-pull it?

They heard some noises, which the Chevy guy thought was top end. Nope...spun a rod bearing. Probably from the new guy beating the crap out of it. :) They rebuilt it and now they threw nitrous on it. Power increase from the nitrous wasn't too impressive either, IMO. Also, all the mods they did originally wasn't impressive. If I didn't know of some local guys who have modded their LS1s and are getting good numbers, I would swear the engine wouldn't be worth touching! Of course, when they did up that '03 Cobra without getting dirty, it is hard to be impressed with anything else.

Oh ok, I only watched it till they put the engine back in for a dyno run. I used to love that show but now I cannot stand it, only thing I watch on the powerblock is car and driver(if they are doing something good) and maybe Trucks.

I'm not knocking on Cobras or anything, I'd take one. Lower the compression on a LS1 and you could run the same boost as a modded Cobra with Kenne Bell. And with the ***346 c.i.*** motor, against a 281, running the same boost, I'd love to see the outcome of that race. Right out of the factory without major changes, of course a cobra would have more potential, its s/c'd. Change the heads etc. and s/c the lower compression LS1, and in the long run theres only one thing that'll make the difference. Displacement.

There is no replacement for displacement.

I'm not knocking on Cobras or anything, I'd take one. Lower the compression on a LS1 and you could run the same boost as a modded Cobra with Kenne Bell. And with the ***346 c.i.*** motor, against a 281, running the same boost, I'd love to see the outcome of that race. Right out of the factory without major changes, of course a cobra would have more potential, its s/c'd. Change the heads etc. and s/c the lower compression LS1, and in the long run theres only one thing that'll make the difference. Displacement.

There is no replacement for displacement.


I am a V-8 guy through and through, but there is damn close replacement for displacement. It is called boost. By the time a person fully rebuilt the bottom end of an LS1 with low compression internals the Cobra owner could have gotten a single turbo system fabbed up and between that and meth injection be making well over 1,000 rwhp. We could go on and on about this cat and mouse mod discussion, but bottom line is that Modern day Ford smaller displacement V-8's are one heck of alot more efficient ci for ci compared to the Chevy pushrod series of engines. A less than 50 horsepower difference from more than a liter in displacement difference is quite a feat! Dont even get me started on the LS engine! It must be bothersome to have an engine with less displacement than most V6's putting out a whopping 73 hp per liter of displacement while the LS1 Camaro only puts out 57 hp per liter of displacement. Bottom line is that while the LS1 350 engines have more displacement, they are nowhere near as efficient at making power as the Ford modular line of engines. Even the LS6 engines in the older Z06 Corvette's only have a 71 hp per liter efficiency! Why does Ford need to even bother to up their displacement, they are staying with the competition in N/A form interms of efficiency and blowing them away in boosted form! No reason to go bigger. The LS1 and LS6 engines along with some older Ford pushrod engines are purely out of date designs. Chevy isnt offering anything to up the ante, all they are doing is merely increasing the displacement every few years. Your comment about Chevy motors having more potential than Ford motors is just purely assinine. Ford had a competitor with the Chevy 350, in the 351, but then Ford got smart and decided to offer more efficient motors through a better design. It may be hard to offer a replacement for displacement, but The Chevy Pushrod engine design should been replaced for good in 2002.

Alright, before I get any more words put in my mouth.

Bigger Displacement + Boost > Smaller Displacement + Boost

LS1 is one of the best motors out there, go on ls1tech.com and argue there.

BTW comparing Horsepower per liter is what someone who owns an S2000 would do. Yea its got more HP/L but it's still a smaller motor.

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The only way that Ford could make a 'stang faster than a f-bod was to wait until GM stopped making them. (5.0L vs IROCs are the ONLY exception here.)

The only way that Ford can make ANYTHING fast is to blow them.

Don't try to compare hp/ci numbers between a boosted and N/A motor, that's :bsflag: and downright ricer-ish.

GM's Gen-III PUSHROD V8 packs MORE HP into a smaller, lighter package than any Ford mod-motor. Don't blame GM for Ford's wasting all that space and metal to hold all those cams.

"Efficiency"?? How many mod-motor 'stangs can pull down 30+MPG on the highway doing 85MPH? Do the V6 'stangs even do that well???

There are 10-sec LS1 Camaros running ONLY a cam-swap in the motor, un-modded factory heads, N/A (no boost or juice). Try THAT in a mod motor. And BTW, LS1 cam swaps are a breeze, don't even have to remove the intake.

I'll give the '03-'04 Cobras some credit, Ford FINALLY caught up w/ GM in the bang-for-buck category (barely). But Colletti had to resort to a blow-job to do it.

LS1s cant take boost? LOL, you are clueless dude. LPE has been wringing 700+ reliable, streetable HP from them for years. Cheap? No. Cakewalk? YES.

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GM's Gen-III PUSHROD V8 packs MORE HP into a smaller, lighter package than any Ford mod-motor. Don't blame GM's for Ford wasting all that space and metal to hold all those cams.

There are 10-sec LS1 Camaros running ONLY a cam-swap in the motor, un-modded factory heads, N/A (no boost or juice). Try THAT in a mod motor. And BTW, LS1 cam swaps are a breeze, don't even have to remove the intake.

I'll give the '03-'04 Cobras some credit, Ford FINALLY caught up w/ GM in the bang-for-buck category (barely). But Colletti had to resort to a blow-job to do it.

LS1s cant take boost? LOL, you are clueless dude. LPE has been wringing 700+ reliable, streetable HP from them for years. Cheap? No. Cakewalk? YES.

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Thank you.

Throw the BS Flag up at this ----> http://www.ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm

I doubt it. I think that the Chevy guys have these engines laying around but no cool cars to put them in, so they start finding Fords.


Cool? Depends if you're a 9 year old drooling over Ferrari's and Lambo's.
They use fox bodies because of the weight. And for fiberglass bodies they use 99-04 stangs due to slightly better aerodynamics.

Cool? Depends if you're a 9 year old drooling over Ferrari's and Lambo's.
They use fox bodies because of the weight. And for fiberglass bodies they use 99-04 stangs due to slightly better aerodynamics.

Took you over 3 months to come up with that? :)

Actually less than 5 minutes. It's funny how nothing about the things I said about aerodynamics or weight was said. Yes you're right, being cool = lower E.T.'s.


Throw some of those played out Bullit wheels (14 second bullet?) and :eek2:
watch those E.T.'s drop.

Throw some of those played out Bullit wheels (14 second bullet?) and :eek2:
watch those E.T.'s drop.

LOL. :Beer

Seriously though, I really like the styling of the '05 Stangs, this is the FIRST 'stang since the '69-'70 model that I'd ever consider owning. It's about time Ford put a "Bullit" in the head of that Fairmont-based pony. Considering that the '05s are built on the LS platform indicates that many of the flaws w/ the previous 'stangs are history (finally). I'm really looking forward to the GT500, I might have to get one of those.

While I'll give a little credit to the new 3V 4.6L, I can't help but chuckle at the fact that it took Ford nearly 10 years to finally get some streetable torque out of it w/o a blower. Fact is, Ford hasn't had a market-dominating hot-rod V8 since the flat-head. And GM's gen-III and IV V8s and Chrysler's HEMIs ensure that it's going to be a long time before they do.

Who cares how many cams or cubes is under the hood? I just want to feel a kick in the pants when I plant my right foot. And pushrods DELIVER!

There is no doubt that the LS1/6 motors are very good. But Ford and Chevy went different routes to entice their buyers. GM went with displacement while Ford went with forced induction and smaller displacement. Both ways work well. But let's face the music boys....the public wasn't impressed with the GM way...hence the downfall of the F body and the very poor selling GTO. But there are some seriously quick F bodies out there...and some that will stay with even the best modded Cobra. But by the time you get there, the F body has poor street manners where the Cobra doesn't...and you've put more money into the GM.

And remember this...there isn't an F body ever built (production) that compared to the Terminator. Most of the Cobras were well into the 12's right off the show room floor. No F body was ever found that quick. That's stock for stock. Now, later Z06's are a different story. I don't want anything to do with one of those when I'm in my Cobra. They are serious cars. And the new Z06 is 427 ci and 500 hp. Incredible. But then again it's going to be 30K more than the new GT500...so it should be an incredible car. I know one thing...the vette boys are nervous about the new GT500 and they are admitting that if the new car comes out as advertised (450 to 500 hp for 40K) they are going to lose some of their own to it.

30 mpg?? Get real... the only way an F body gets 30 mpg is once...out of a B29. They are good at mileage...better than Ford actually. But 30 mpg ain't gonna happen on a regular basis. I got 27 out of my Cobra once coming from Flagstaff to Phoenix. Let's see 7000 feet to 1000 feet. That would do it! But normally, I'm lucky to get 25 out of mine...and that's driving it very conservatively. No way an F body is 5 mpg better...and there is no way you could convince me without an actual certified test over time.

I love these arguments! This is what keeps the rivalry alive and well!!! Don't you GM boys wish you had a car to brag about?? Oh yea...you still got the GTO...for a while at least. But it's selling so well that it's about gone too. And I'm tired of hearing about comparing vettes to Mustangs and Cobras. If you want to do that, I'll bring the GT into the picture. Sure it's more money than a vette...but the vette is more than a Mustang!
It just goes on and on....and I love it!!!

Yes you're right, being cool = lower E.T.'s.

Don't throw any words in my mouth please. This is just fun car BS. I don't want to make it personal.

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The only way that Ford could make a 'stang faster than a f-bod was to wait until GM stopped making them. (5.0L vs IROCs are the ONLY exception here.)

The only way that Ford can make ANYTHING fast is to blow them.

Don't try to compare hp/ci numbers between a boosted and N/A motor, that's :bsflag: and downright ricer-ish.

GM's Gen-III PUSHROD V8 packs MORE HP into a smaller, lighter package than any Ford mod-motor. Don't blame GM for Ford's wasting all that space and metal to hold all those cams.

"Efficiency"?? How many mod-motor 'stangs can pull down 30+MPG on the highway doing 85MPH? Do the V6 'stangs even do that well???

There are 10-sec LS1 Camaros running ONLY a cam-swap in the motor, un-modded factory heads, N/A (no boost or juice). Try THAT in a mod motor. And BTW, LS1 cam swaps are a breeze, don't even have to remove the intake.

I'll give the '03-'04 Cobras some credit, Ford FINALLY caught up w/ GM in the bang-for-buck category (barely). But Colletti had to resort to a blow-job to do it.

LS1s cant take boost? LOL, you are clueless dude. LPE has been wringing 700+ reliable, streetable HP from them for years. Cheap? No. Cakewalk? YES.

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The only reason I compared hp/ci is because that fella was talking about potential.

Yes more displacement plus boost will be better than smaller displacement with boost. That one is a gimme.

One thing you said about the whole 700+ hp is crap if your talking of them lasting long on the stock bottom end. I have frequented and still do, LS1.com and LS2.com. Unless they were running a turbo, it is very unadviseable to go above 8-9 psi on the stock bottm end with the LS1 engines. You can build any engine to handle 700 hp. Some may take more money, but they still get there. The 700+ hp figure is totally nill in this case because that is assuming a forged bottom end. Your statement about Coletti having to resort to blowing the Cobra is quite bold too. Yes, in this case they did to keep costs down. People always go back to the whole. WELL ITS BLOWN talk. WELL YOU ALL HAVE ONE MORE LITER THAN US!!! But I suppose that doesnt count, now does it? Give me a break! Bottom line is that the Camaro is discontinued till whenever... The Cobra beats them in stock configuration, and modded the Cobra will eat an LS1 up and spit it out. Ford did mess up when they werent stepping up to the plate in the past in terms of power. They learned their lesson and have been making up for it with a supercharger. You say we cheat with a supercharger and we say you cheat with more displacement. In the end it is not even debatable and cancel each other out in a way. Given the proper driver, a mildly modded 05 GT can run with and beat an LS1 Camaro (drivers race). Either way it is apparent that they are close enough to come down to the drivers. As for the last generation of cobra's produced? Well there is no comparison. Lets see the STOCK BOTTOM END of that LS1 handle 700+ rwhp. I dont think so! Compression is too high to be able to safely handle the amount of boost it would take to get you there. You would be breaking parts left and right. Some cobra's have had some problems at those power levels too, I will admit that, but not as much as what an LS1 would be having. You call me a ricer and I call it, "setting things in a better perspective". If you want to go the cheapest route arguement then I will drop the name of the late 80's fox body mustang that had factory forged pistons and were light as heck! Not only are they cheap to mod they are really light too! Have tons of parts available for them and are still smaller displacement with as much stock mod potential dollar for dollar. Camaro's arent no bitches, as are the Vette's, but dont knock what Ford can do and has done. Saying the Chevy 350 motor is the best, cheapest, easiest to mod is just plain speculation. It is the best engine Chevy may have produced in later years, but Ford has still produced engines that competed very well with them. Bottom line is that you come off looking purely brand loyal when you say the LS1 rules all and nothing else can touch it.

the public wasn't impressed with the GM way...hence the downfall of the F body

I would argue the F body's failure had nothing to do with power delivery in the V8 models. They were always much faster than Mustangs.

The F body failed because they didn't sell enough V6es. Roughly 75% of Mustangs '94-'04 were V6 powered. The Mustang is more like a regular car - upright seating, softer handling and ride, etc. The Camaro was a more dedicated sports car, especially with the very low seating.

The Mustang's basic architecture just appealed to more people.

I would argue the F body's failure had nothing to do with power delivery in the V8 models. They were always much faster than Mustangs.

The F body failed because they didn't sell enough V6es. Roughly 75% of Mustangs '94-'04 were V6 powered. The Mustang is more like a regular car - upright seating, softer handling and ride, etc. The Camaro was a more dedicated sports car, especially with the very low seating.

The Mustang's basic architecture just appealed to more people.

:I You nailed it Dutch. GM's "Mustang-like buisness model" for the f-bod is fully to blame for the demise of the f-bod. They banked on V6s to outsell V8s like the 'Stangs. What a joke, V6 f-bods NEVER outsold the V8s by any margin like the 'Stangs. GM didn't have a clue about their f-bod customer. They were too busy developing the 300th SUV variation to drop a dime into f-body marketing or evolvement. They let it die on the vine.

Bottom line is that you come off looking purely brand loyal when you say the LS1 rules all and nothing else can touch it.

LOL, "purely brand loyal"? Hardly. Yes, I love my LS1, but I also own a Dodge and Lincoln. And YES I'm mad as hell at GM for reasons stated above. They've murdered the only afordable platform for the gen-III / IV V8s, and we're left w/ a 'Vette (BTW, the LS7 Z06 is going to smoke Ford's 2x more expensive GT), CTS-V (I'd take a SRT-8 300 over it anyday) and the GTO (which is OK, but it doen't give me wood and is going to be shamed by the GT500 'Stang and is nowhere near the performance bargain the LS1 f-bod was). As I've stated before, the ONLY thing from Ford that's caught my interest is the '03-'04 Cobras, gen-2 Lightnings, GT500, and GT. They have nothing in the sports-sedan segment w/ any balls to compete w/ the CTS-V or SRT-8. Without forced induction, their cammer V8s are a yawn. That tells me that there is something fundamentally wrong with "Ford's way".

BTW, Chrysler took a look at "Ford's way" and "GM's way" and chose to follow "GM's way" with pushrods and N/A in their new HEMI. Now they are kicking butt on the streets AND in the marketplace. Meanwhile Ford only puts their blown cammers in very few select vehicles and is loosing market share. Who's your daddy?

30 mpg?? Get real... the only way an F body gets 30 mpg is once...out of a B29. They are good at mileage...better than Ford actually. But 30 mpg ain't gonna happen on a regular basis.

I got 28.5 MPG at 85MPG on my 6M WS6 before it was broken-in. SEVERAL LS1 f-bod and 'Vette owners have recorded better than 30MPH hwy (gotta have the 6M though). I haven't taken mine on a pure road-trip since then, but I have no doubt it could pull 30MPG now. I laugh at GM's commercial stating they "have 9 models that get 30MPG or better". Had they kept the f-bod alive, they could say they had 11, and 2 of them can run 13s 1/4 miles. :N

I just noticed all the F-Body talk and seeing as how I own two currently and have owned a total of 5 could voice an opinion and a few facts:

However, in MMFF, it appears they got a 05 GT in the 12's with a computer tune, magnaflow mufflers, MT drag radials, 4.30 gear, QA1 shocks and pullies. No power adder and no cracking open the motor... which is nice...

I have that article. They pulled some SERIOUS weight reduction on that car. Complete rear seat delete among things. It's legit, but not the norm.

There's a glaring difference in the Mustang vs. Camaro thing. Mustangs are designed and produced to appeal to a very large fan base. Hence the ergonomically designed interior and high quality of the build. The F-Body on the other hand, is an almost purely performance based vehicle. It wasn't intended for the person who wants a fast comfortable car with a soundproof interior. Hence the somewhat cramped cockpit interior, the less than perfect build quality, the rattles (though a set of subframe connectors takes care of that trust me).

Why did the F-Body die?? It certainly wasn't because of performance, because had it stayed in production, I'm quite sure that GM would have readily answered the 03 Cobra with it. I thought I heard Ford collectively sigh on August 31 2002 as the last F-Bodies rolled off the line actually. :biggrin: In all reality, GM wanted to compete with the Mustang in terms of sales per annum. But, GM was only selling about 50% of what Ford was. But think about it. How much marketing was done for the F-Body?? I can think of four commercials: One for a 95 Z28, and three for the 98 Trans Am's. That's it. The mustang got a buttload more advertising, and that coupled with the base it was designed for, made it the king.

Motors?? Dont want to even go there. It's all a matter of "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" But the LS1 does not rule all by any means. It's a good motor, but I'd rather leak oil (LT1, got 2 of them) than burn it. In either case, the pushrod power/torque owns the overhead cam :gr_devil: .

Can't we all just get along. There's a world of ricers to be picked on out there. :Beer

I'm getting along Fastbird! This is great! But for years the Mustang boys had to compete with the F body with a smaller engine. That didn't seem to bother the GM crowd as they all said "that's Ford's fault for going with the smaller engine". Of course, the 351 Cobra R was a different story and could handle the F body. But stock for stock, the F body GM outran the Fox body Mustang. No contest. Now, that Ford has gone s/c'd, we're getting the whining "it's super charged!" It is. But your extra cubic inches didn't bother you back then. And even though it's s/c'd, it's still WAY smaller a motor. So....stock for stock...there isn't an F body around that will run with an 03 04 Cobra. Not gonna happen. And that's what we should really be looking at. It takes a Z06 to out run the Terminator. Even the standard C5 can't do it except on rare occasion.

But if you want to go "coulda woulda shoulda", I know of a Supra around here that will flat embarass any street driven F body or Cobra I've seen...well...except for a couple of Cobras that are pushing will over 600 hp...and that would be a close race. So let's not discuss what COULD be...let's talk about what was delivered from the factory. After all, it was good enough for you GM boys for a number of years....

BTW, Chrysler took a look at "Ford's way" and "GM's way" and chose to follow "GM's way" with pushrods and N/A in their new HEMI. Now they are kicking butt on the streets AND in the marketplace.

Maybe it is because Chrysler can make a car that looks good and doesn't rattle. The point is, most people are looking at looks before performance. You have to make a car look good first. Next make it feel good. Then make it fast for the few of us who like that.

Don't get me wrong. There are going to be people looking at Chrysler ONLY because of the power. Power can make you overlook many things, but this is only with the minority.

I would argue the F body's failure had nothing to do with power delivery in the V8 models. They were always much faster than Mustangs.

The F body failed because they didn't sell enough V6es. Roughly 75% of Mustangs '94-'04 were V6 powered. The Mustang is more like a regular car - upright seating, softer handling and ride, etc. The Camaro was a more dedicated sports car, especially with the very low seating.

The Mustang's basic architecture just appealed to more people.



Not to mention it was a ugly car. I always liked the motor and was always impressed my the numbers. I even wanted one, but looking at them now it really was a ugly car!!!

:Beer

2001LS8Sport, I 100% agree with you. Stock for stock no F-Body could hang with the 03-04 Cobra. Of course, Ford HAD to release that immediately after the demise of the F-body, which was kind of a huge smack in the face to the General. Sadly, they took it, ran, and didn't come back with anything.

I've heard way too many LS1 owners piss and moan about the Cobra and it's supercharged stock motor. WAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa!!!!!! It's a faster stock car than the LS1 equipped F-Bodies and Corvettes. So what?? Level the playing field then and quit crying about it having a blower.

Now, had GM done right and the F-Body was still in production, I'd bet that there'd be a partnership for a Magnacharger equipped F-body in answer to the Cobra. Sadly, GM has such a bad case of rectal-cranial inversion right now that they're in DEEP trouble for the forseeable future.

2001LS8Sport, I 100% agree with you. Stock for stock no F-Body could hang with the 03-04 Cobra. Of course, Ford HAD to release that immediately after the demise of the F-body, which was kind of a huge smack in the face to the General. Sadly, they took it, ran, and didn't come back with anything.

I've heard way too many LS1 owners piss and moan about the Cobra and it's supercharged stock motor. WAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa!!!!!! It's a faster stock car than the LS1 equipped F-Bodies and Corvettes. So what?? Level the playing field then and quit crying about it having a blower.

Now, had GM done right and the F-Body was still in production, I'd bet that there'd be a partnership for a Magnacharger equipped F-body in answer to the Cobra. Sadly, GM has such a bad case of rectal-cranial inversion right now that they're in DEEP trouble for the forseeable future.

I agree with everything you say there 'Bird. And GM should look at forced induction too. It's no secret that the smaller bore size is more efficient and easier to keep clean. That's why Ford went modular...such as using the V10 instead of just using a larger V8. But then again, GM has ALWAYS been very efficient with the new LS1/LS6 engines. They are incredible performers and very efficient using old technology that still works very well for them. Even the new Chrylser Hemi can't touch them...and I hear the fuel mileage on those cars is not what they expected or wanted and there are some upset owners.

But there are a lot of F bodies out there running hair dryers with 6 to 8 pounds of boost that are around 450 hp to the rear wheels. And that should be perfectly safe on a stock short block with a good tune. It's when they pump it higher than that is where they get in trouble. Yet, I know of a couple of Cobras right here that are over 600 hp to the rear wheels (one is 660) on stock short blocks that are perfectly safe. But if you want to go up against a GM that's been modded, you had damn well better have your stuff in order, or you are going to get your butt handed to you in a big way. I'm reading on an SVT site where the 04 Cobra and the new C6 vette have been going against each other. Stock for stock, it's still a driver's race, but all in all, the vette is the better performer. The Cobra needs to be modded to have a distinct advantage. Stock for stock, the Cobra is a little better than the standard C5. Z06 is a different story. It's an animal. Not a stock Cobra in the country that can run with it...and those that say they do are either lying or not telling the entire truth. The new Z06 with the 427 and 500 hp will probably out run the new Cobra. Similar power numbers, less weight in the vette. And it's going to be interesting to see what can be done to the new GT500. Have you seen the s/c pulley on that car? It's some sort of clutch system that is probably computer controlled. Do you think Ford is trying to stop a lot of the fraudulent warranty claims on pullied cars????

I hate the plain v6's. I've seen a few 6's and 8's w/ kits and rims and they do not looked bad. This one dealer here has a black v6 but man oh man does it look F****** sweet. If it was a 5-speed I would of probably tried for it, but almost 30k for a v6 stang auto :slam

This other dealer had a gt that was lowered, rims, kit, tint and a few other things and it was sold. Price of it was almost $43,000.

What are the specs of the v6's and v8's anyway?


I'm sure it was a Roush or Saleen Mustang that cost approx. $43k. They are sold at certain Ford dealers.

I'm reading on an SVT site where the 04 Cobra and the new C6 vette have been going against each other. Stock for stock, it's still a driver's race, but all in all, the vette is the better performer. The Cobra needs to be modded to have a distinct advantage. Stock for stock, the Cobra is a little better than the standard C5. Z06 is a different story. It's an animal. Not a stock Cobra in the country that can run with it...and those that say they do are either lying or not telling the entire truth.


You do know that the C6 corvette essentially has the C5 ZO6's engine, right? Rated at 405 hp. So if an 03-04 Cobra could beat a C6 Corvette then it should be a pretty close match as to what a C5 ZO6 Corvetter could do according to what your saying. Just clarifying if you were still referring to the old Z06 or the new one?

You do know that the C6 corvette essentially has the C5 ZO6's engine, right? Rated at 405 hp. So if an 03-04 Cobra could beat a C6 Corvette then it should be a pretty close match as to what a C5 ZO6 Corvetter could do according to what your saying. Just clarifying if you were still referring to the old Z06 or the new one?

The C5 Z06 uses a 5.7L, 405HP LS6 (gen-III) while the C6 uses a 6.0L, 400HP LS2 (gen-IV). True, the differences between the gen-III and IV blocks is very minor (Hot Rod had a good article recently on those differences), and probably alot of parts will interchange. But they are not "essentially the same". The C6 and C5 Z06 do run similar numbers, although due to less weight, the C5 Z06 IS a little faster.

WSJ had an article on the Chrysler 300 / Magnum / HEMI issue recently. Apparently DC did not expect HEMI cars to make up a significant percentage of sales, however way over 50% of those sold are HEMIs, so I'd say POWER is one of the primary factors in their current market domination. I doubt that SRT-8s will be dominant due to the extra cost factor, but DC has taken a great mainstream car with already great power and upped the ante for us power freaks. Something GM and Ford has only done w/ the Cobras, V-series and Z06s, none of which base models I'd consider "mainstream".