Stay classy, MSNBC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB3j9fpTKkk&feature

The prospect of being hanged in the morning has a wonderful way of focusing the mind.

This latest unexpected turn of events shows that democracy still works sometimes.

I remember in Ontario after invincible 4 term conservative Premier Bill Davis retired in 1985, his successor finance minister Bob Miller ahead in the polls by 15 points arrogantly ran a stealth campaign much like Coakley.
His opponent David Peterson ran a populist campaign, using an empty podium to highlight Miller's absence.
Near the end of the race the numbers turned much like in MA and Peterson won.

Brown, on his own without much help from his party has shown people he is willing to work hard for their vote unlike Coakley who comes across as an arrogant condescending entitlement minded politician of the let them eat cake variety.
On top of that she's boring and puts people off.
What an inspired choice for the "Kennedy":rolleyes: seat.

People may be doe heads but they don't like being treated like objects and subjects.

Her arrogance is a reflection of Obama's arrogance.
It is always a great story when David beats Goliath so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
That the Democrats could fumble Kennedy's old seat in what should be a slam dunk adds a schadenfreude like satisfaction that is hard to put into words.
It ain't over till it's over but it should be a glorious upset.

I wonder why the Dems haven't brought up Brown's foray into nude modeling... I don't really care, heck, people do many different things for money and 'exposure' - but you know that if Coakley had nude photos published in a major magazine her political career would have been toast...

And foss, I have obviously become an obsession, how flattering...

I wonder why the Dems haven't brought up Brown's foray into nude modeling... I don't really care, heck, people do many different things for money and 'exposure' - but you know that if Coakley had nude photos published in a major magazine her political career would have been toast...

And foss, I have obviously become an obsession, how flattering...

I'm sure they're bringing up (throwing up ?:eek:) everything they can come up with in the hopes something will stick with the voters.

The voters in MA get to see all the fun (in the attack ads) as Coakley has gone 99% negative (He's Bush! he's Alex! he's sucking up to Richie Rich! he hates dogs! ice cream! apple pie! little kids and rape victims!! he's a Monster!!! :eek: :eek: )

I saw his nude modeling pics :cool: .
They're along the lines of the old Burt Reynolds photos in Cosmo and not the Full Monty :D
Maybe Brown can do a spread with Palin called conservatives in action:p
They're both attractive looking.

Anyways, I don't think these pics hurt him in any way; they probably help him.
Just another accomplishment.

Martha Coakley and Scott Brown fight to the finish

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1226140&format=&page=2&listingType=MA2004#articleFull

By Jessica Fargen and Edward Mason
Sunday, January 17, 2010 - Updated 7h ago


The U.S. Senate election enters its final “do or die” days as President Obama heads to the Hub today to try to save his domestic agenda with a last-ditch pitch for Democrat Martha Coakley, while insurgent Republican Scott Brown criss-crosses the state on a wave of anti-Washington momentum.
“Initially, I thought it was me against the machine, but now it’s us against the machine,” Brown told a cheering crowd at a Plymouth campaign rally yesterday. Brown has vowed to help defeat the president’s flagship health-care legislation.
The neck-and-neck race for what was once thought to be the safest Democratic seat in the country - held by the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy for 47 years - has stunned the party.

“This race is do or die in our state,” U.S. Sen. John Kerry (http://www.bostonherald.com/search/?topic=John+Kerry) told voters in an e-mail. “We have to stand with Martha as she tries to win this seat.”
The candidates held no punches in a day of fast-paced campaigning before high-spirited crowds.
Coakley, under fire for a light schedule and sinking poll numbers in recent weeks, launched a “Fighting for You” tour that made nine stops in eastern Massachusetts. She was joined by Victoria Reggie Kennedy, whose late husband’s seat is to be filled in the Tuesday special election.
“It’s astounding that Scott Brown says he sides with the little guy,” Coakley told a crowd of 300 union workers inside the packed Dorchester IBEW hall. “We don’t need to send someone to Washington who sides with the people who got us into this (economic) mess.”
The attorney general, not known as a passionate speaker, grew increasingly fiery throughout the day.
In Melrose, she brought a crowd of more than 200 to its feet when she mocked her rival.
“Just because you can drive around the commonwealth in a truck doesn’t mean you’re going in the right direction,” Coakley said.
In Lynn, she dared Brown to make an issue out of Obama’s visit.
“I think that the president thinks we’re going to win, and that’s why he’s coming here,” Coakley said.
The president is to stump for Coakley at 3 p.m. today at Northeastern University. Brown has a slate of six stops planned for today, including one in Worcester with former Republican Gov. Paul Cellucci.
The Wrentham state senator - a little-known lawmaker at the race’s start - reveled in crowds of hundreds who gave him the celebrity treatment from Quincy to the Cape. Supporters lingered to shake his hand, snapped cell phone photos and asked him for autographs.
They yelled “Go Scott Go!” as he walked down a Quincy sidewalk shaking hands before a rally with former Gov. William Weld.
In eight stops around the state, Brown sought to paint Coakley as a pro-tax “machine” politician.
“This race is about differences. In the midst of this recession we do not need another Martha Coakley tax of $45 billion,” he said, referring to his rival’s support of added fees on banks.
Brown also blasted Coakley for campaign negativity.
“This race has gone from cordial to being one of the most malicious, destructive, wrong campaigns we’ve ever seen in the history of Massachusetts,” he said while on a Quincy stage in front of an American flag. “Shame on Martha"
“Shame on Martha!” the crowd chanted.
Both campaigns threw last-minute jabs: Brown charged that a Massachusetts Democratic Party mailing violates a state law prohibiting false statements against a political candidate. The cover of the mailer says: “1,736 women were raped in Massachusetts in 2008. Scott Brown wants hospitals to turn them all away.”
In 2005 Brown filed an amendment that would have allowed workers at religious hospitals or with firmly held religious beliefs to avoid giving emergency contraception to rape victims. The amendment failed, and Brown voted in favor of a bill allowing the contraception. The party did not immediately comment.
Coakley blasted Brown for not paying for health insurance for his workers. (See related story on page 4.)
Enjoying mild weather, both candidates were bolstered by huge crowds.
More than 100 sign-holding Coakley supporters waited outside Brothers Deli in Lynn, where Coakley chatted with diners. Steven Laliberte, 46, of Lynn, said he “felt really good” about her chances.
“I think we’re going to be fine,” Laliberte said.
Eileen Driscoll, 48, of Danvers, wasn’t so confident. She passed up overtime pay to hold a sign for Coakley.
“I’m nervous,” Driscoll said. “It’s that imporant to me that Martha wins. I’d hate to lose health-care reform to Scott Brown.”
Judging by an informal survey of rally attendees, Brown drew huge support from independents yesterday.
“He’s truthful,” said Brian Hamlet, 66, Plympton, an independent voter who is unemployed. “I’m just upset with the way things are.”
At Mamma Mia’s restaurant in Plymouth, unenrolled voter Eric Pulsifer, eating with his wife and young kids, said health care was a big issue. “We don’t want socialized medicine,” he said.
Richard Gallerani, 50, a truck driver and independent from Plymouth, wanted change. “This is the emancipation of Massachusetts from the Democratic regime that there has been since Ted Kennedy,” he declared. “We need some
balance"


“This is not Ted Kennedy’s seat. It’s not the Democrats’ seat. It’s your seat,” declared Republican state Sen. Scott Brown at a rally yesterday in Quincy


LLoyd Benson/Dan Quayle moment?

You're no Jack Kennedy

In an election this exciting, it’s ringside ‘seat’

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100117in_an_election_this_exciting_its_ringside_ seat/


Turnout could hit as high as 70 percent Tuesday in the high-stakes U.S. Senate

if Coakley had nude photos published in a major magazine her political career would have been toast...







GOP Senate Candidate's Racy Pics Don't Matter─Because He's a Dude

Katie Connolly
Most of the attention on the Massachusetts Senate race so far has focused on the growing pool of Democratic candidates, which makes sense given that Democrats virtually own the seat. So you'd be forgiven for missing GOP state Sen. Scott Brown's announcement Saturday (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/09/scott_brown_to.html) that he's entering the race. Brown's been a fixture in Massachusetts conservative politics since the early 1990s, and he's served in the Massachusetts Senate since winning a special election in 2004. Some Gaggle readers may remember the fiscal conservative as the father of American Idol contestant Ayla Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayla%20Brown). But others may remember him from his 1982 nude centerfold in Cosmopolitan, dug up by Wonkette back in 2007. (http://wonkette.com/237494/mass-state-senator-unleashes-devastating-im-rubber-youre-glue-defense)

http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/thegaggle/images/1135766/original.aspx (http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/thegaggle/picture1135766.aspx)
Cosmopolitan, 1982 Brown was just 22 when he won Cosmo's "America's Sexiest Man" competition. Cosmowrote that (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2855669310100545575OYIOKC) "adorably sexy" Brown likes "slinky girls" and that he wasn't shy about taking his clothes off. "I'm not ashamed of my body," Brown told Cosmo. "I work hard enough to keep it in shape. When you go to the beach, you automatically seek out the best bodies, female and male. Why should it be different in a magazine?" Upon reading the full spread (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2855669310100545575OYIOKC), girls will discover that Brown, a self-described patriot, is someone they should want to "snuggle over the longer haul." (I'm thinking campaign slogans here─"Brown: A Senator You Can Snuggle.") A law student at Boston College at the time, Brown said he intended to put his $1,000 prize toward his tuition.
Jokes aside, that this racy pic has been circulating for years and hasn't hampered Brown's career perhaps isn't that surprising. "It's a pretty tame photo compared to what you might see at an NFL halftime show," says campaign spokesperson Eric Fehrnstrom. "The fact is, when Scott was 22 years old, he was footloose and carefree." That may be so, but how would he be treated if he were a woman?
Although a nude centerfold might not kill a female politician's career, it would most certainly prompt questions about her character. Was she unacceptably promiscuous? Did she have a wild, compromising youth? While we scoff at the exploits of young men─they're allowed to be "footloose and carefree"─women are rarely afforded that luxury. For Brown, who just turned 50, it's a case of "boys will be boys." We can giggle at Brown's treasure trail and not think twice about how the sight of it affects his political career. But when Sarah Palin's head was Photoshopped (http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2008/09/02/gun-totin-bikini-wearin-sarah-palin.htm)on the body of a gun-totin', bikini-clad babe, it served as evidence for many of her unsuitability for office. Even when the photo was proved to be fake, it continued to haunt her. Palin's sexuality was at once titillating and threatening─for as many fans as she gained for being attractive, there were as many who used it in building the case against her. If Barbara Boxer had posed nude in her youth and declared her love for "buff boys," I predict her voters would be collectively horrified, and she'd probably never shake the crass jokes that would follow. As a culture, we simply don't like our female representatives to be publicly sexual.
In the end, there are many reasons why this photo won't matter much in this campaign─not least of which being that Brown's chances of winning Kennedy's seat are minuscule. But it probably won't matter much to the rest of his career, either. It's just one of the advantages of being a dude.

YouTube- Massachusetts Miracle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nEoW-P81-0)

Most entertaining comment:

treasonous liberals like this need to do america a favor and wash their mouth out with buckshot to save a patriot the shells

I wonder why the Dems haven't brought up Brown's foray into nude modeling... I don't really care, heck, people do many different things for money and 'exposure' - but you know that if Coakley had nude photos published in a major magazine her political career would have been toast...Actually they did (http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1197778) bring it up. It isn't helping Coakley. Schwarzenegger has nude photos from 30+ years ago, and that didn't hurt him either. Or are you referring to using it in a campaign ad? Boy that would look petty. But then again, using the WTC as a backdrop of greed and corruption is petty, isn't it?

Her career is already toast because of her horrendous track record as a prosecutor.

Tell me, fox, does it bother you that she let a man go who raped a 2 year old girl with a hot curling iron?

...and it's not really a scandalous nude picture.
It was in Cosmo. You can post it here without a NSFW.

Actually they did (http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1197778) bring it up. It isn't helping Coakley. Schwarzenegger has nude photos from 30+ years ago, and that didn't hurt him either. Or are you referring to using it in a campaign ad? Boy that would look petty. But then again, using the WTC as a backdrop of greed and corruption is petty, isn't it?

Her career is already toast because of her horrendous track record as a prosecutor.

Tell me, fox, does it bother you that she let a man go who raped a 2 year old girl with a hot curling iron?
How about the governor who pardoned a man who then killed 4 cops...

I have read about the District Attorney's response to the case you mention above... I would assume they followed procedure - eventually the man was convicted and is spending his life in jail. And the conviction came only a little over 2 years after he committed the crime - a fairly quick time period. The DA office didn't let him go - they had a hard case in front of them with only very circumstantial evidence, and a very young victim who you really can't put on the stand. Cases like this take a while to put together, and you don't want it going before a grand jury or into a trial situation before you know you can convict. Keith was allowed to be released without bail because I believe he had no prior convictions, was a police officer and was determined not be a threat. He is innocent until proven guilty, and with no priors it is pretty odd to lock someone up before they are tried on circumstantial evidence alone.

So, you used another man with nude photos as an example? I was going with the double standard Foss - if a woman had nude photos in circulation, and then tried to run for national office - she would be subjected to a wide variety of speculation regarding her morality. A man isn't, as the article from 04SCTLS points out, boys will be boys...

I was going with the double standard Foss - if a woman had nude photos in circulation, and then tried to run for national office - she would be subjected to a wide variety of speculation regarding her morality. A man isn't, as the article from 04SCTLS points out, boys will be boys...
How can it be a double standard when the photos weren't nude?

Well, I don't believe he had any clothes on Foss...

I still hold fast that if a woman had done this it would be fodder for everything from her morality to her judgment abilities, whereas no one is questioning Brown's morality or lack of judgment because of the photos.

IT's not entirely true that a woman can't succeed in politics if she poses nude :D


Ilona Staller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Staller

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Cicciolina.jpg/200px-Cicciolina.jpg (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/File:Cicciolina.jpg)
Ilona Staller
Birthdate (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Birthday)November 26, 1951 (1951-11-26)
(age 58)
Birth locationBudapest (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Budapest), Hungary (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Hungary)

Ilona Staller (complete name Anna Elena Staller, 26 November 1951), also known by her stage name la Cicciolina, is a Hungarian (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Hungarians)-born Italian (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Italy) politician (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Politician), porn-star (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Porn-star), and singer (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Singer). She continued to make hard core pornographic films while in office. She is famous for delivering political speeches with one breast exposed.
She was elected to the Italian parliament (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Parliament_of_Italy) in 1987, with 20,000 votes. While in office, before outset of the Gulf War (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Gulf_War) she offered to have sex with Saddam Hussein (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/wiki/Saddam_Hussein) if he would release his foreign hostages.
She was not reelected at the end of her term in 1991.

IT's not entirely true that a woman can't succeed in politics if she poses nude :D

As much as I'm sure you enjoyed your research, I think people are talking about a woman in American politics.
And I don't think it's true. There's a difference between doing a nude picture and pornography. If a woman did a PG-13 spread in a magazine that can be displayed at the supermarket check out, I don't think it would prevent her chances of political success.

...however, I think we're all getting a little of topic here.
Ed Schultz's statement is really quite telling and important to note- and it's classic leftist philosophy. The ends justify the means with these people. And subverting the system, or even destroying the constitution, is perfectly acceptable, so long that it advances THEIR cause.

As much as I'm sure you enjoyed your research, I think people are talking about a woman in American politics.

Well ok then :D
There's this fine young lady :p LOL!

Stormy Daniels: Future Senator, American Hero, Pornstar (http://www.buzzpirates.com/2009/02/stormy-daniels-future-senator-american-hero-pornstar/)

Presumably responding to President Obama’s call for transparency in government Wicked Pictures contract star Stormy Daniels is considering a run for a seat in the United States Senate. CNN.com reports that fans of the Good Will Humping star have set up a website, draftstormy.com (http://draftstormy.com/), with the hope that the Baton Rouge, Louisiana native will consider an attempt to unseat Republican Senator David Vitter.
Daniels 29, is seriously considering the move. She is planning a listening tour throughout Louisiana in an attempt to put her finger on the issues rising in her home state. The star of No Country For Any Men reportshttp://www.buzzpirates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/400px-an_stormy_daniels_1.jpg that her three main platforms are the economy, women in business and protection of children.
Although conventional wisdom indicates that a hefty margin of Louisiana voters would unquestionably vote for the actress, who was cast in Legs Benedict, supporters of Senator Vitter are not so sure. In an attempt to gain legitimacy in the upcoming race, Vitters has been reminding voters that he was one of the Senators that was “caught up in that whole D.C. madam thing” and that he too is familiar with the “sex for money” dynamic.
While the The Slutty Professor lead admits that she is a bit green in the political arena, she is reportedly up for the challenge. Her only reservation thus far: that the job pays a lot less than Wicked Pictures.
We here at Buzz Pirates fully support Ms. Daniels’ historic run. We also support her past endeavors, including: Sleeping Booty, :q:q:q:q:q:q:q Casserole and If These Balls Could Talk.

YouTube- stormy daniels possible senatorial run makes cnn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3wkLwf0CnA)

...however, I think we're all getting a little of topic here.


Well ok
Now that I've had my morning smile(s):D :D
we'll see how it goes tomorrow.
If the vote is overwhelming for Brown then there's not much room for cheating although they will try.

..I don't think any of them will be credible candidates.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the porn performer, Mary Carey, who ran for along with Arnold and Gary Coleman to oust Gray Davis in California.

Frankly, I can''t think of a circumstance where I'd vote a 'porn star' into the congress.
Those "performers" are notoriously mentally and emotionally damaged individuals.

Those "performers" are notoriously mentally and emotionally damaged individuals.


Are you talking about the democrats :p

Sorry I couldn't resist.
My tongue has been planted firmly in cheek all morning.

Well, I don't believe he had any clothes on Foss...

I still hold fast that if a woman had done this it would be fodder for everything from her morality to her judgment abilities, whereas no one is questioning Brown's morality or lack of judgment because of the photos.You can hold fast all you want, but it isn't a nude photo.

Besides, it was over 20 years ago. Shall we also question Obama's morality and lack of judgment for snorting 'blow' recreationally in college? Ah, but he's a Democrat, I forgot. :rolleyes:

So fox, back on topic, what do you make of Schultz calling Republicans 'bastards?'

You can hold fast all you want, but it isn't a nude photo.

Besides, it was over 20 years ago. Shall we also question Obama's morality and lack of judgment for snorting 'blow' recreationally in college? Ah, but he's a Democrat, I forgot. :rolleyes:

So fox, back on topic, what do you make of Schultz calling Republicans 'bastards?'

Schultz is a on a 'commentator show' - correct? Similar to Hannity or Beck on Fox News. I would imagine Schultz's show has the same disclaimers that Hannity and Beck's shows do - that their opinions are not the opinions of Fox News... on and on...

So, let me do a quick search and see how much hue and cry there was on this site about this little statement from Beck when Hillary was starting to run...

"She is like the stereotypical -- excuse the expression, but this is the way to -- she's the stereotypical bitch, you know what I mean?"

I don't agree with Schultz calling Republicans bastards - I think that it is in poor taste and shows poor judgment. However I also think it is hypocritical if you attack Schultz and you didn't go after Beck's statement that Hillary is a stereotypical bitch Foss. But, you did go after Beck didn't you - you certainly wouldn't be hypocritical about this would you Foss?

And now for the shocker... I wouldn't mind seeing Brown win (however, that will probably nix any more cosmo spreads for him - drat). He is a very moderate Republican (I am a little surprised that the Tea Party people are backing him, he really is much more moderate than what they usually look for, it could be they are selling out on other issues just to get someone in to block healthcare).

I have said before, I thought this country did well with a liberal president and a conservative congress. And if takes more time for healthcare to go through, it might not be a bad thing. It is a lot to digest, and I think that the people need more time to really understand what it is all about, and not feel like one party is shoving it down their throats, or the other party is just setting up roadblocks. We need healthcare reform desperately, and I don't know if slowing it up would be a death knell to the whole issue again. But, we will be stuck with this for a long, long time, and I would hope that the legislation would be crafted well, and sensibly.

But, you did go after Beck didn't you - you certainly wouldn't be hypocritical about this would you Foss?I never heard about it. I don't follow Beck that much.

However, I'm pretty sure Beck never advocated cheating. :rolleyes:

I never heard about it. I don't follow Beck that much.
But you follow Schultz? really? or are you just picking up on right wing blog here...

Maybe I should start posting left wing crap so you get a good idea of what the right blithers on about foss, sort of what happens on your side of the fence. However, that would mean I would actually have to read all the junk, blick. I would imagine the ground is humming after Limbaugh's and Robertson's comments regarding the disaster in Haiti.

However, I'm pretty sure Beck never advocated cheating. :rolleyes:Maybe not - I don't follow Beck, however I did work for Hillary - the reason I knew about the Beck quote.

Oh, quick search - not one mention of Beck's quote regarding Hillary-not really a surprise. Calling a leading presidential candidate a 'stereotypical bitch' isn't really all that bad is it?

Calling a leading presidential candidate a 'stereotypical bitch' isn't really all that bad is it?Not when it is dead on point.

Calling a leading presidential candidate a 'stereotypical bitch' isn't really all that bad is it?

I know that context is really the enemy to you and your friends at MediaMatters, but let's put that statement back into context:

I don't want to sound like the old ball-and-chain guy, but Hillary Clinton cannot be elected president because -- am I wrong in feeling, am I the only one in America that feels this way? -- that there's something about her vocal range. There's something about her voice that just drives me -- it's not what she says, it's how she says it. She is like the stereotypical -- excuse the expression, but this is the way to -- she's the stereotypical bitch, you know what I mean? She's that stereotypical, nagging, [unintelligible], you know what I mean? And she doesn't have to be saying -- she could be saying happy things, but after four years, don't you think every man in America will go insane? Is it just me? I mean, I know this is horrible to say, but I mean it not -- I would say this if she were Condi Rice and she sounded like that. Condi Rice doesn't have that grate to her voice. You know what I need to do? I need to talk to a vocal expert, because there is a range in women's voices that experts say is just the chalk, I mean, the fingernails on the blackboard. And I don't know if she's using that range or what it is, but I've heard her in speeches where I can't take it....

I'm sorry for being such a pig. But please, America. Please. I don't think I could do it for four years. I mean, sure the country is going to go to hell in a handbasket, but could we make this about me for a second? I just don't think I could take it from her."


So, let's note the full context of the statement, the WAY it was said, and NOTE that is was done as HUMOR.
You appreciate humor, don't you? That's how all liberals love to dismiss the nasty attacks made by John Stewart or Al Franken. Beck is CLEARLY making a joke about her TONE of voice.

Now what did Schultz say, and how did he say it?
"I'd cheat to keep this bastards out. Because that's exactly what they are."


Personally the fact that he calls anyone a "bastard" doesn't bother me. Ed Schultz is unhinged, not particularly intelligent, and completely irrelevant. It says a lot when you're the "low rated show on MSNBC."

I'm also not surprised to hear a progressive left guy like that talking about cheating in an election. Correction, I'm not surprised he's thinking it, it's interesting that they're talking about it in the open now...

What do you think Chris Mathews would have to say on this subject:
“You know in the old days…if the Democrats faced this kind of a disaster in the works, you’d go back to your ones, the people you were sure are going to vote Democrat, and you’d make sure they got to the polling place,” Matthews told NBC’s Chuck Todd on Friday’s “Hardball.”

“You’d get them lunch, you’d get them a car. You’d make sure they got there, and in some cases you’d be buying people to get them,” he continued. “But I hear talking to somebody today there aren’t people up there in Massachusetts like that anymore”

So, let's note the full context of the statement, the WAY it was said, and NOTE that is was done as HUMOR.
You appreciate humor, don't you? That's how all liberals love to dismiss the nasty attacks made by John Stewart or Al Franken. Beck is CLEARLY making a joke about her TONE of voice.

Oh, I heard it alright- I was working with the campaign at that point. It wasn't funny, and afterwards Beck stated he should have said 'nag', not 'bitch'. No one should be labeled bitch, it isn't 'funny' Cal, in any political type context. I could make a 'funny' joke and label Beck an a$$hole - and it wouldn't be humor, and I should be called on it.

I am not standing up for Schultz... who knows, maybe he did it for ratings (from a quick glance at his numbers, well, they are very sorry). But, people can't vote more than once, so his claim to vote ten times is rather silly.

But you follow Schultz? really? or are you just picking up on right wing blog here...
Probably the same level to which you follow Beck. Did you hear his comment when it happened, or did you google it?

Maybe I should start posting left wing crap so you get a good idea of what the right blithers on about foss, sort of what happens on your side of the fence. However, that would mean I would actually have to read all the junk, blick. I would imagine the ground is humming after Limbaugh's and Robertson's comments regarding the disaster in Haiti. Interesting, because those comments are all over the news, yet Schultz' comment wasn't mentioned except on the blogs.

Maybe not - I don't follow Beck, however I did work for Hillary - the reason I knew about the Beck quote. Which confirms what I said earlier.

Oh, quick search - not one mention of Beck's quote regarding Hillary-not really a surprise. Calling a leading presidential candidate a 'stereotypical bitch' isn't really all that bad is it?Is it true?:rolleyes:

But, people can't vote more than once, so his claim to vote ten times is rather silly.Actually, it's rather typical. Also, dead people vote as well. Do you want me to drum up some links for you?

Probably the same level to which you follow Beck. Did you hear his comment when it happened, or did you google it?
the next day - I was working on the campaign.
Interesting, because those comments are all over the news, yet Schultz' comment wasn't mentioned except on the blogs.
The big 3 didn't cover Beck's comments-that I remember, it was in '07, but I remember that at the time we were wondering if anyone would pick it up. We didn't run with it because it was counterproductive. But, I really don't think network picked up on it.

Is it true?:rolleyes:
Nope.

Actually, it's rather typical. Also, dead people vote as well. Do you want me to drum up some links for you?

Do you really think there is a lot of problems with this in Massachusetts foss?

Do you really think there is a lot of problems with this in Massachusetts foss?Mass has more dead people than any state in the union.

Mass has more dead people than any state in the union.

Ones who vote? I though Illinois lead the country in the dead people who vote category.

Ones who vote? I though Illinois lead the country in the dead people who vote category."Thought" and "Led," fox. :rolleyes: See my sig.

"Thought" and "Led," fox. :rolleyes: See my sig.

sorry, typing fast - and exercising... hard to type and bike... but interesting typos... huh?

sorry, typing fast - and exercising... hard to type and bike... but interesting typos... huh?
Don't apologize to me, and don't make silly excuses. You opened the door with your spelling corrections on Shag.

Oh, I heard it alright- I was working with the campaign at that point. It wasn't funny, and afterwards Beck stated he should have said 'nag', not 'bitch'. No one should be labeled bitch, it isn't 'funny' Cal, in any political type context. I could make a 'funny' joke and label Beck an a$$hole - and it wouldn't be humor, and I should be called on it.
It would depend on the joke.
Plenty of comedians have made jokes about Beck, some have been funny.

And I think the joke was funny. I think her tone of voice sounds just like she described it.

YouTube- I Am Sick And Tired - Hillary Clinton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0)

And no one "labeled her a bitch." Beck was making a joke about her tone- as stated, regardless of politics, as he clearly explains during the paragraph.

Mind you- it's live radio. As is so often explained, when you talk for 15 hours a week, sometime ideas don't come out as well formulated or perfectly as they would when you write and edit them. According to you, he later expained that his choice of words wasn't ideal and that "nag" would have been better- FURTHER demonstrating that he didn't label her a "bitch."

Sadly, I've taken the bait here and allowed you to change the subject.

I am not standing up for Schultz... who knows, maybe he did it for ratings (from a quick glance at his numbers, well, they are very sorry). But, people can't vote more than once, so his claim to vote ten times is rather silly.
You're not sticking up for Ed Schultz, but ready to quickly dismiss it without any discussion. That's awfully convenient, isn't it.

And you didn't mention Chris Mathews either.

Election fraud and vote buying are Democrat traditions, particularly in urban areas. All Democrat strong holds have that tradition, be it Boston, Chicago, New York City or Miami.

It would depend on the joke.
Plenty of comedians have made jokes about Beck, some have been funny. Got a funny one that uses a term similar to 'bitch'?

And no one "labeled her a bitch." Beck was making a joke about her tone- as stated, regardless of politics, as he clearly explains during the paragraph.
she's the stereotypical bitch sounds like he thinks she is a bitch... sorry Cal -

Mind you- it's live radio. As is so often explained, when you talk for 15 hours a week, sometime ideas don't come out as well formulated or perfectly as they would when you write and edit them. According to you, he later expained that his choice of words wasn't ideal and that "nag" would have been better- FURTHER demonstrating that he didn't label her a "bitch."
No, it meant he got caught - and was taken to the carpet on it...

You're not sticking up for Ed Schultz, but ready to quickly dismiss it without any discussion. That's awfully convenient, isn't it.
I think that he is in poor taste and shows poor judgment (reiterating what I said in an earlier post Cal). Because, just like Beck, he certainly doesn't speak for all liberals. He appears to be wacky, and goes for the 'shock' factor. I brought up Beck because he certainly doesn't speak for all conservatives, so should I judge all conservatives by his mistakes? Nope. Both sides are quick to take the extremists and project their views onto the entirety of that group.

No main stream media picked up the Beck story, by your standards they should have.

And you didn't mention Chris Mathews either.
And I haven't heard of his quote until you posted it. I don't listen to these people Cal - they are mostly talking heads who are keeping their jobs by pandering to an audience.

Election fraud and vote buying are Democrat traditions, particularly in urban areas. All Democrat strong holds have that tradition, be it Boston, Chicago, New York City or Miami.
So, got some current numbers on that in Boston? I've got a great story about Clay County in Kentucky where Republicans were buying votes with OxyContin last spring, sort of a nice twist on the whole vote buying tradition don't you think?

Got a funny one that uses a term similar to 'bitch'?
No, but is there a book that calls Hillary a "Fat Idiot" in the title?
I didn't know bitch was the new "n-word."

she's the stereotypical bitch sounds like he thinks she is a bitch... sorry Cal -
And I'm sorry you still can't have a discussion in good faith.
I'm not going to play this game all night.
If you're going to deliberately lie, there's not much to talk about. Noting your incredible sensitivity, I'll refrain from calling you a bitch though.

I've posted the context of what he said. You have decided to, AGAIN, intentionally isolate two words from it in your unyielding pursuit of making your point, regardless of whether it's truthful (infact, knowing you, you most likely are intentionally being dishonest) at all costs.

I suggest you go back a read the compete paragraph.
There's something about her voice that just drives me -- it's not what she says, it's how she says it. She is like the stereotypical bitch

Again, you do this all the time.
You're deflecting from Schultz's incredible comment about vote fraud and instead trying to equate it to Glenn Beck saying that Hillary Clinton's tone of voice is bitchy and naggy.

Furthermore, Beck wasn't making a political statement. This is expressed very clearly in the quote I provided. SCHULTZ IS TALKING ABOUT and JUSTIFYING CHEATING IN AN ELECTION!

So, got some current numbers on that in Boston? I've got a great story about Clay County in Kentucky where Republicans were buying votes with OxyContin last spring, sort of a nice twist on the whole vote buying tradition don't you think?
That wasn't a Republican/Democrat national issue.
That was a corrupt local judge buying his seat in a local election.

Let me repeat Chris Mathews quote from the other day.

“You know in the old days…if the Democrats faced this kind of a disaster in the works, you’d go back to your ones, the people you were sure are going to vote Democrat, and you’d make sure they got to the polling place,” Matthews told NBC’s Chuck Todd on Friday’s “Hardball.”

“You’d get them lunch, you’d get them a car. You’d make sure they got there, and in some cases you’d be buying people to get them,” he continued. “But I hear talking to somebody today there aren’t people up there in Massachusetts like that anymore”

Sounds to me that Democrats like Mathews and Schultz are panicking because their urban "machine politics" might be starting to fail them.

But, it's important to win- by any means necessary.... Saul Alinsky is Chris Mathews hero TOO.

YouTube- MSNBC's Chris Matthews Cites "One Of Our Heroes From The Past" Saul Alinsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCryNzrcxWY)

Got a funny one that uses a term similar to 'bitch'?A woman sitting in the aisle seat of an airplane had to get up so that a well dressed man and woman could sit in the two inside seats. When she sat back down, she regarded the couple with interest. In a southern drawl, she asked, "Hey, where ya'll from?"

The well dressed woman looked at her with a scornful expression and replied, "Where we live, we don't end sentences with prepositions."



The other woman thought this over, looked back at the woman, and said, "Okay, where ya'll from, bitch?"

I've got a great story about Clay County in Kentucky where Republicans were buying votes with OxyContin last spring, sort of a nice twist on the whole vote buying tradition don't you think?Are you familiar with a guy named Blagojevich? See, I can play red herring too. :rolleyes:

Ones who vote? I though Illinois lead the country in the dead people who vote category.http://cnsnews.com/news/article/59993

No, but is there a book that calls Hillary a "Fat Idiot" in the title?
I didn't know bitch was the new "n-word."

So... what does the book title have to do with this - that just because others do this it is OK? I am rather confused.

Actually Is Bitch the New Black? (http://thefreshxpress.com/2009/10/is-bitch-the-new-black/)

And I'm sorry you still can't have a discussion in good faith.
I'm not going to play this game all night.
If you're going to deliberately lie, there's not much to talk about. Noting your incredible sensitivity, I'll refrain from calling you a bitch though.

Why refrain Cal - you certainly have skimmed right next to it in the past - just take the leap...

I've posted the context of what he said. You have decided to, AGAIN, intentionally isolate two words from it in your unyielding pursuit of making your point, regardless of whether it's truthful (infact, knowing you, you most likely are intentionally being dishonest) at all costs.

I suggest you go back a read the compete paragraph.

I did - She's that stereotypical, nagging, [unintelligible], you know what I mean? I heard the broadcast the day after it was aired - the missing word was 'bitch' here too... Is he just isolating her voice - I think you see it that way Cal, I see it differently. It isn't "Her voice is that" it is "She's that"... You claim bad writing and many hours on air - fine, that can be a blanket excuse for anything then - right?

Again, you do this all the time.
You're deflecting from Schultz's incredible comment about vote fraud and instead trying to equate it to Glenn Beck saying that Hillary Clinton's tone of voice is bitchy and naggy.

No - it appeared that 'bastards' was a sticking point - someone mentioned washing liberal's mouths out with buckshot... obviously a comment on the language used. I was going with that slur...

Furthermore, Beck wasn't making a political statement. This is expressed very clearly in the quote I provided. SCHULTZ IS TALKING ABOUT and JUSTIFYING CHEATING IN AN ELECTION!

I still am not standing up for Schultz - I have stated that many times - I was just pointing out the hypocrisy... And I think Beck asks at both the beginning and end of the 'bit' not to vote for Hillary, I guess that isn't a political statement, once again, lets just chalk it up to bad writing, too much time on the air, and it is a humorous piece - right? I know it was meant to be a humorous piece. It was in poor taste, and really had no reason to be on the air whatsoever.

That wasn't a Republican/Democrat national issue.
That was a corrupt local judge buying his seat in a local election.

So, have any recent stuff from Boston Cal? Nothing? Vote buying is vote buying... And this is documented, tried, and convicted vote buying... got that for New York recently?

Sounds to me that Democrats like Mathews and Schultz are panicking because their urban "machine politics" might be starting to fail them.

But, it's important to win- by any means necessary.... Saul Alinsky is Chris Mathews hero TOO.
They probably are panicking - and in this case in might be way too little, way too late. Will it be a wake up call for the Dems - could be interesting. Has Brown and the election in Mass. prodded the complacent lion?

I am rather confused.
Perhaps, but I doubt it. You're the one trying to change the subject or create the false moral equivalence. We'll just move on.

Why refrain Cal - you certainly have skimmed right next to it in the past - just take the leap...
No, I call into question your honesty and intellectual honesty. I think that it's evil and lacks character.
I don't think you're a bitch, I'm sure you're a delightful lady and very pleasant company.

Is he just isolating her voice - I think you see it that way Cal, I see it differently. It isn't "Her voice is that" it is "She's that"... You claim bad writing and many hours on air - fine, that can be a blanket excuse for anything then - right?
You refuse to read the entire quote. He is clearly discussing the tone of her voice and says so explicitly. "I would say this if she were Condi Rice and she sounded like that."

I didn't attribute anything to "bad writing." I simply said that when you speak spontaneously for 15 hours a week on the radio, sometimes you may say things less artfully than you would had you the opportunity to write and then later review.

And she does sound like the stereotypical bitch. Whether you're more comfortable with the word "nag" or "shrew" is besides the point.


No - it appeared that 'bastards' was a sticking point - someone mentioned washing liberal's mouths out with buckshot... obviously a comment on the language used. I was going with that slur...
Sticking point to who?
The issue here is the fact he's so unhinged, so unreasonably hateful, and calling for vote fraud.


I still am not standing up for Schultz - I have stated that many times - I was just pointing out the hypocrisy...
No you didn't. You tried to give the impression that there was hypocrisy when none existed. You do this all of the time.
You drawing a false comparison and try to create another false moral equivalence.

There is none here. Beck made a joke that was observational humor, you've decided to seize on it and misrepresent it in for your twisted political gains. Beck didn't make a personal attack. Beck didn't attack a majority of the country. And Beck didn't call for people to undermine an election.

You have been effective though in changing the subject and shifting the focus.

And I think Beck asks at both the beginning and end of the 'bit' not to vote for Hillary, I guess that isn't a political statement, once again, lets just chalk it up to bad writing, too much time on the air, and it is a humorous piece - right? I know it was meant to be a humorous piece. It was in poor taste, and really had no reason to be on the air whatsoever.
I disagree.
Don't listen to him.

Let me know when he says that he'd "cheat to keep the Democrat bastards out. Cause that's exactly what they are."

So, have any recent stuff from Boston Cal? Nothing? Vote buying is vote buying... And this is documented, tried, and convicted vote buying... got that for New York recently?
Are you testing my google skills or are you just pretending to be stupid right now?

Has Brown and the election in Mass. prodded the complacent lion?
Unfortunately, you're absolutely right.
If Brown wins today, we're going to see the Progressive machine lash out and clamp down on the public and the dissent aggressively. They'll get extremely aggressive and mash the gas pedal to get their legislation and changes through right away.

They get dangerous when challenged.

No, I call into question your honesty and intellectual honesty. I think that it's evil and lacks character.
I don't think you're a bitch, I'm sure you're a delightful lady and very pleasant company.
Evil - wow - that is new... perhaps I should have been content with 'bitch', however I have been told I have a happy voice, so I wouldn't fit the stereotypical portrayal of one...

There is none here. Beck made a joke that was observational humor, you've decided to seize on it and misrepresent it in for your twisted political gains. Beck didn't make a personal attack. Beck didn't attack a majority of the country. And Beck didn't call for people to undermine an election.<snip?Let me know when he says that he'd "cheat to keep the Democrat bastards out. Cause that's exactly what they are."

You are correct - he didn't - but I really thought (if you look at on of 04ctls's quotes it does indicate language) that the use of a slur was in question as well. I doubt if you could find anywhere on record where a conservative has asked for anyone to vote many times... They have been on record to manipulate elections (Nixon's reelection is rife with examples), but to actually state 'vote multiple times', I don't think I would even try looking - you wouldn't find any.

Are you testing my google skills or are you just pretending to be stupid right now?

I would really like to see any voter buying in the last few years that has been tried and convicted with Dems involved. Maybe we just have gotten lucky...

Unfortunately, you're absolutely right.
If Brown wins today, we're going to see the Progressive machine lash out and clamp down on the public and the dissent aggressively. They'll get extremely aggressive and mash the gas pedal to get their legislation and changes through right away.

They get dangerous when challenged.

I think the outcome of the election is moot as far as moving the democrat machine. It has been awakened - there is a huge amount of time between now and the elections in November. Dems can now raise money with the best of them, and have always had better organization on their side. This summer promises to be very interesting...

I would really like to see any voter buying in the last few years that has been tried and convicted with Dems involved. Maybe we just have gotten lucky...
And you know that the only people who get caught vote buying are hillbilly judges. Vote buying is usually much more sophisticated than that.

It has been awakened - there is a huge amount of time between now and the elections in November. Dems can now raise money with the best of them, and have always had better organization on their side. This summer promises to be very interesting...
First, I'd like to draw attention to the fact that you didn't comment on what I said. But to address your point. "Awaken?" When did they go to sleep? They've been on attack, raising money, ALL YEAR...

but I think you're right... Democrats are waking up. And they are realizing that the lunatics are running their party. That's why New Jersey, Virginia, and now maybe even Massachusetts have all seen Democrat loses. Democrats are waking up.... they are waking up to the threat that IS progressive liberals like Obama and the damage they are doing to our country, the economy, and our liberties.

And back to my point, if Brown wins, or even comes close, where going to see that "lion" foxpaws referred to get very aggressive this year. They will intensify their assault on the constitution, our rights, and they'll target and destroy individuals or groups that disagree with them by any means available to them- and in this case, also using the power of the executive branch of government to do so as well.

The progressive tyranny will intensify this year.
Everyone better brace themselves.

Again, I'm going to quote for emphasis.. everyone once in a while foxpaws publicly, and unintentionally, states a powerful truth:
Has Brown and the election in Mass. prodded the complacent lion?

I still am not standing up for Schultz - I have stated that many times - I was just pointing out the hypocrisy...That's all you liberals can do, considering you have no moral basis.

It's called DEFLECTION, or a red herring.

It's your only recourse, and it signifies that you've already lost the debate in your mind.

Typical thread in LVC Politics these days:

1. Topic comes up showing liberal flaws or bad behavior
2. Some concurrence from conservatives
3. Foxpaws shows up and draws false comparison or throws up straw men/red herrings
4. Conservs call her out for her dishonesty
5. Foxpaws happily plays victim and doggedly continues to defend, deflect, and change the subject
6. Everyone tires of her ad nauseum arguments and leaves the thread

Massachusetts Miracle

YouTube- Massachusetts Miracle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nEoW-P81-0)

And you know that the only people who get caught vote buying are hillbilly judges. Vote buying is usually much more sophisticated than that.

Ah, don't have anything... that's OK Cal. Heck, the Dems have hillbilly judges too - don't they?

Again, I'm going to quote for emphasis.. everyone once in a while foxpaws publicly, and unintentionally, states a powerful truth:
So, either I am not very good at channeling Sunstein, or perhaps by 'occasionally' stating a powerful truth, I must have some deep underlying reason to do so.... what subterfuge is at play here Cal?

However, do you have a good exit poll site - I can't find anything, and my fellow conspirators can't either.

Speaking of cheating, why is Isabel Melendez (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWQ4NTBhNzdjMTYzZTdlZWYwNmY0MWExOTI2NTdlODE=) handing out BLANK absentee ballots on the street in MA?

Is this her? (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/03/27/melendez_wont_run_for_mayor/)

But Melendez said she believes she can be more effective as head of Voters in Action, a nonprofit group that has been working to register Latino voters.

Ah, don't have anything... that's OK Cal. Heck, the Dems have hillbilly judges too - don't they?

I do. I mentioned Blagojevich who tried to buy Obama's empty Senate seat. But you conveniently ignored that, didn't you?:rolleyes:

Deflection and dismissal is just like breathing to you.

Ah, don't have anything... that's OK Cal. Heck, the Dems have hillbilly judges too - don't they?
They have hicks and they have corrupt inner city exploiters who sell votes as well.
Your issuing a challenge which is much like ACORN members screaming, "Sure, we registered people illegally, but show me where they actually voted."
You can't... because if the person was successful in voting, there's no way to trace it. And if they were turned away, there's no record of it.

Do I really need to write an essay on machine politics in the cities?

I can also give you little examples of Democrats buying homeless votes by giving them cigarettes and other things, but you'll just dismiss them.
And there are abundant examples of Democrat Congressmen selling influence, but that's not what you're asking for.

So, either I am not very good at channeling Sunstein, or perhaps by 'occasionally' stating a powerful truth, I must have some deep underlying reason to do so.... what subterfuge is at play here Cal?
I don't think you work for Sunstein.
I just know that you're a Progressive and when it comes to your political struggle, can't be trusted.

However, do you have a good exit poll site - I can't find anything, and my fellow conspirators can't either.
You can't trust most of the exit polling anyway.
However, I don't think there are any media exit polls for the Mass. race. Up until a few weeks ago, there wasn't much focus on the race so the media didn't organize any.

Maybe some of the internal data will be leaked through out the afternoon/evening....

Do I really need to write an essay on machine politics in the cities?
No, but I do think that it is something that although happened a lot in the past, really doesn't happen much now - the 'buying' of votes.

I can also give you little examples of Democrats buying homeless votes by giving them cigarettes and other things, but you'll just dismiss them.
And there are abundant examples of Democrat Congressmen selling influence, but that's not what you're asking for.
And ditto on the other side of the fence in both cases Cal. I think perhaps what you don't like is the current political system, and blame the dems for the problems caused by a system that both parties exploit.

You can't trust most of the exit polling anyway.
However, I don't think there are any media exit polls for the Mass. race. Up until a few weeks ago, there wasn't much focus on the race so the media didn't organize any.

Maybe some of the internal data will be leaked through out the afternoon/evening....
Oh, you can trend exit polling a little, however it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Once I saw that after very early exit polling one side claimed that it should be in the democrats favor at that point, because republicans work, and wouldn't vote until later in the day. However, they failed to take into account that most republicans wanted to vote early in the day, to avoid longer lines in the evening and get home to their families, spin is fun to watch unravel. But what is more fun it to watch which side claims victory first just on exit polling...

Exit polling is showing that Mass independents are breaking for Brown 68-29.

No, but I do think that it is something that although happened a lot in the past, really doesn't happen much now - the 'buying' of votes.
It's certainly less effective.
and that would explain why Chris Mathews is in a panic.

And ditto on the other side of the fence in both cases Cal. I think perhaps what you don't like is the current political system, and blame the dems for the problems caused by a system that both parties exploit.
So you're saying that government and politics are corruptive,yet you still continue to think that we should hand over more and more power to a centralized national government.


...I also forgot to include this recent quote from MSNBC host Keith Olberman about Scott Brown:

"an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against women"

..at least he didn't say that his voice sounded bitchy.

The Boston Globe has miracously determined who the victor was today even though the polls don't close for 6 more hours.

And people wonder if the Democrats are going to cheat? :confused:

YEP...

So you're saying that government and politics are corruptive,yet you still continue to think that we should hand over more and more power to a centralized national government.
I think I said that you think... not me... But, on this point - politics have been corruptible since the dawn of well, politics. Remove power from the feds, and the states will take over in the amount of corruption? Probably better - harder to hide in state politics.

..at least he didn't say that his voice sounded bitchy.Well, it sorta does...;)

I like your thing from the Globe MM - this is where it gets fun. They have it close though, so lots of wiggle room. Nice that it is on the east coast - this will be finished before dinner out here in the west! We will know whether to toast a victory or drown our sorrows, either way, drinking will be involved!

I think I said that you think... not me... But, on this point - politics have been corruptible since the dawn of well, politics. Remove power from the feds, and the states will take over in the amount of corruption? Probably better - harder to hide in state politics. So you're for states' rights? You vote for the wrong party then.

I like your thing from the Globe MM - this is where it gets fun.

Ya, they are testing their graphics for tonight but why do they have to show the bias?

And handing out absentee ballots day of election:confused:

I heard they requested over 1,000,000 absentee ballets for this election where there are only 4,000,000 registered voters and usually 50% turnout at best. So 2,000,000 will vote with all those absentee ballots floating around. Why isn't every American up-in-arms about this?

Bring out the purple thumb. No absentee voting. No registering day of election. Must show 2 forms of ID.

We are destroying our political process and becoming a banana republic.:mad: