Harry Reid apologizes for "light skinned" remark about Obama (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/harry-reid-apologizes-for-ligh.html)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) apologized today for referring to President Barack Obama as "light skinned" and "with no Negro dialect" in private conversations during the 2008 presidential campaign.

"I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words," said Reid in a statement. "I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African Americans for my improper comments."

The Senate Majority Leader was officially neutral in the primary fight between Obama and then Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). Reid's remarks about Obama were revealed in "Game Change", a book detailing the 2008 race penned by Time's Mark Halperin and New York magazine's John Heilemann.

The details about Reid's remarks were first reported by the Atlantic.

Reid's apology comes on the same day that a new poll conducted by the Las Vegas Review Journal showed him facing an uphill fight for re-election in 2010. Reid trailed former state Republican party chairwoman Sue Lowden by a 50 percent to 40 percent margin and was behind businessman Danny Tarkanian (R) 49 percent to 41 percent. Only one in three voters viewed Reid favorably while 52 percent saw him in an unfavorable light in the poll.

Tarkanian said that Reid "disgraces himself almost monthly with some disparaging remark about his constituents, political opponents, or now the president," in a statement released Saturday afternoon.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee echoed that sentiment in a statement of its own release Saturday afternoon. "For those who hope to one day live in a color-blind nation it appears Harry Reid is more than a few steps behind them," said communications director Brian Walsh. "Unfortunately, this is just the latest in a long history of embarrassing and controversial remarks by the senior Senator from Nevada."

Despite Reid's dismal poll numbers, he told the Review-Journal that he has no plans to follow his colleagues Byron Dorgan (N.D.) and Chris Dodd (Conn.) into retirement. "I am absolutely running for re-election," Reid told the paper. "These are difficult times for Nevada and as the majority leader of the Senate I have been able to take action to address those challenges."

It's unclear whether the near-certain controversy his remarks about Obama will cause might force Reid to reassess his re-election plans.

Perhaps the NAACP will call for his resignation.....oh wait,he's a Democrat. Never mind.

and what of this have we heard from main stream media (cricket chirp)
Rush Limbaugh mentions the phrase "black guy" and he is put on a cross
and besides the fact the democrats were the one's who enslaved, and passed all of this legislation against the black man

Two words...Trent Lott.

what is "negro dialect"?

and what of this have we heard from main stream media (cricket chirp)
Rush Limbaugh mentions the phrase "black guy" and he is put on a cross
and besides the fact the democrats were the one's who enslaved, and passed all of this legislation against the black man

This guys statement was directed at one person, Rush attacks an whole race.

This guys statement was directed at one person, Rush attacks an whole race.Citation please, liar.

Also, Limbaugh isn't an elected official.

Want me to quote Reverend Wright?

How about this?

Top Racist Democrat Quotes

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.”
-Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi “ran a gas station down in Saint Louis.”

-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve’s ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve’s fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him.”

– Roger Clinton, the President’s brother on audiotape

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
– Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

“Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey’s cars?”

– Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.” — Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

Black on Black

“In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell’s committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture.”
– Harry Belafonte

“Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They’d rather take pictures with black children than feed them.” — Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) “A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom.” — Spike Lee

“He’s married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn’t want to be black.”

– California State Senator Diane Watson’s on Ward Connerly’s interracial marriage

Comments From The Past

“Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

– Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate”, in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

“I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state …. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia …. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va …. I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities.”

– Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate”, in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

“These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means.”

– Democrat Bull Connor (1957), Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham, Alabama

“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”

– Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”

(On New York) “K*ketown.” — Harry Truman in a personal letter

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America.”

-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess

“There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of.” — Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)

On Jews

“You ****ing Jew b@stard.” — Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in “State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton” and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses.

“The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes.” — Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

“Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name.” — Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, 1984

‘*****s.’ ‘*****town.’ — Jesse Jackson’s description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

“Jews — that’s J-E-W-S.” — Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

This guys statement was directed at one person, Rush attacks an whole race.
How many times do we have to repeatedly explain and demonstrate that the comments you're referencing were either actually never stated or completely misrepresented and out of context?

At least acknowledge the double standard in the media so far.
The book this was in has been out all week and the media had advance copies, unfortunately they were too busy looking for stuff to bad mouth Palin with.

At least Limbaugh never murdered any innocent, helpless, defenseless babies like a f***ing coward.

At least Limbaugh never murdered any innocent, helpless, defenseless babies like a f***ing coward.

WOW Princess, are you upset? Like I said before, keep your kids away from me. Cowards run from service.

You guys are right, thats why he was never fired from ESPN!

You guys are right, thats why he was never fired from ESPN!You're a total dumb@ss. Keep drinking that Kool Aid - it keeps you believin'.

You're a total dumb@ss. Keep drinking that Kool Aid - it keeps you believin'.

Am I getting under your skin? Why do you resort to name calling? I dont drink Kool Aid, It has too much sugar, can't stay fit drinking all that sugar, or was that suppose to be a racist statement, since all black people are suppose to drink Kool-Aid. Calm down Foss, it's not that serious. You need to get laid, is your wife holding out?;)

You're a total dumb@ss. Keep drinking that Kool Aid - it keeps you believin'.

Am I getting under your skin? Why do you resort to name calling? I dont drink Kool Aid, It has too much sugar, can't stay fit drinking all that sugar, or was that suppose to be a racist statement, since all black people are suppose to drink Kool-Aid. Calm down Foss, it's not that serious. You need to get laid, is your wife holding out?;)Keep the faith brutha!

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what is "negro dialect"?

Presumably "gangsta" type talk...

This guys statement was directed at one person, Rush attacks an whole race.

Can you prove that? Or is that simply a bare assertion that cannot be backed up (like most claims concerning Limbaugh being a "racist")?

Haha, there's more from this book.

[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

Obama, the hypocrite, from 2002:

“It seems to be that we can forgive a 100-year-old senator for some of the indiscretion of his youth, but, what is more difficult to forgive is the current president of the U.S. Senate (Lott) suggesting we had been better off if we had followed a segregationist path in this country after all of the battles and fights for civil rights and all the work that we still have to do,” said Obama.

He said: “The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party.”

And:

In an interview with ABC News Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., called for the firing of talk radio host Don Imus. Obama said he would never again appear on Imus' show, which is broadcast on CBS Radio and MSNBC television.

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

Obama said he appeared once on Imus' show two years ago, and "I have no intention of returning."

And from Obama's book:

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

[quote=lincolnx2;615207]Keep the faith brutha!

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what is “brutha” MY blackberry didn't even recognize that word.

Do you even read the posts in this thread?

zzzzzz...

You guys are right, thats why he was never fired from ESPN!

He was fired from ESPN after making a comment about the media's embrace of Donovan McNabb after giving in to the organized pressure put on Disney/ABC prior to his hiring by political smear merchants and character assassins and people like yourself who had been convinced of a lie.

But, Rush Limbaugh is a voice on the radio.
He is not THE MAJORITY LEADER OF THE SENATE.

See the difference there? You're sort of changing the topic completely by bringing up a DJ here. Why don't we talk about Trent Lott? He was also the Majority Leader of the Senate who lost his position after saying something silly while trying to be nice at an ancient old guy's birthday, Strom Thurmond.

However, the story just broke today, the book has yet to be released.
How much coverage will this get on even the Sunday morning news/talk shows? And will there be the same organized outrage as his "insensitive" comment.
Is it really any worse than Joe Biden calling him the first "clean African-American" to run?

A scandal is when a politician tells the truth.
Ried has apologized for the poor(sic) wording of his comments but not the comments themselves.
There's nothing to apologize about other than getting caught using the dated word Negro which seems to be getting elevated to veiled N word status.
Essentially he was saying Obama is an articulate educated guy (unspoken: not like (in his opinion) most of them)

Your interpretation of what Reid said is actually quite damning, but even if it were more benign, I'm most offended by the double standard we continue to see here.

It demonstrates, once again, that this cry of "racism" is void of meaning. It's little more than a political club that the progress-left uses to batter their political opposition. Had any Republican or conservative voice made comments that resembled what Reid, Biden, or Clinton had made, the opportunistic, politics-at-all-costs ,left would be relentless in their effort to have their power stripped. They'd also aggressively be working to perpetuate the false image that conservatives are racist.

Unavoidably, the story was addressed briefly on all of the Sunday morning shows. And universally, everyone was very much on point dismissing it, with the exception of Lynn Cheney on ABC. And there seemed to be an organized movement to dismiss the story and deflect to a story about the RNC chairman.

Is it racist to discuss race?
I don't think so. I think it demonstrates a kind of racism to break things down into racial terms at all times. But I think there's also a special kind of condescension in what Harry Reid said, not just towards black people, but the entire American public in general.

I'm not familiar with the Clinton quote yet. If he really said "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee" referencing his race, there should be outrage.

But with all of this, the writing is on the wrong. I just heard Al Sharpton spend five minutes defending Harry Reid while deflecting and lying about Trent Lott's comments. Racism is a bankrupt term that has no meaning. It's little more than a political attack that should be dismissed at this point.

Your interpretation of what Reid said is actually quite damning, but even if it were more benign, I'm most offended by the double standard we continue to see here.

It demonstrates, once again, that this cry of "racism" is void of meaning. It's little more than a political club that the progress-left uses to batter their political opposition. Had any Republican or conservative voice made comments that resembled what Reid, Biden, or Clinton had made, the opportunistic, politics-at-all-costs ,left would be relentless in their effort to have their power stripped. They'd also aggressively be working to perpetuate the false image that conservatives are racist.

Unavoidably, the story was addressed briefly on all of the Sunday morning shows. And universally, everyone was very much on point dismissing it, with the exception of Lynn Cheney on ABC. And there seemed to be an organized movement to dismiss the story and deflect to a story about the RNC chairman.

Is it racist to discuss race?
I don't think so. I think it demonstrates a kind of racism to break things down into racial terms at all times. But I think there's also a special kind of condescension in what Harry Reid said, not just towards black people, but the entire American public in general.

I'm not familiar with the Clinton quote yet. If he really said "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee" referencing his race, there should be outrage.

But with all of this, the writing is on the wrong. I just heard Al Sharpton spend five minutes defending Harry Reid while deflecting and lying about Trent Lott's comments. Racism is a bankrupt term that has no meaning. It's little more than a political attack that should be dismissed at this point.You win the thread, Cal. Well said.

Maybe people should address the real issue why is it that white elected politicians are saying this type of stuff and getting away with it. Why was this thread created to bring to light the double standards between political parties and not the problem of radical racist that serve in both parties. Could it be racism is still present in majority of American citizens both black and white. SoRry about the lack of puncuation I am on my BB.

Maybe people should address the real issue why is it that white elected politicians are saying this type of stuff and getting away with it.
Getting away with what?
You're speaking in generalities, you're meaning is become almost as washed out as the opportunistic false cries of "racism."

Why was this thread created to bring to light the double standards between political parties and not the problem of radical racist that serve in both parties.
It does demonstate the hard double standard in politics and the media.
But it leaves to debate whether what Harry Reid said was actually "racist." Or if he himself is a "racist."

Could it be racism is still present in majority of American citizens both black and white.
I don't think so.

Could it be racism is still present in majority of American citizens both black and white. If racism is inherent in any of the above statements, then your President is a racist.

Getting away with what?
You're speaking in generalities, you're meaning is become almost as washed out as the opportunistic false cries of "racism."


It does demonstate the hard double standard in politics and the media.
But it leaves to debate whether what Harry Reid said was actually "racist." Or if he himself is a "racist."


I don't think so.

So there is no racism in America silly me. Which is more important the fact that he is a racist or the fact that he is a democrat?

If racism is inherent in any of the above statements, then your President is a racist.

If OUR president has said anything like what was said above, then I would say he is a racist.

If OUR president has said anything like what was said above, then I would say he is a racist.He wrote it in his book:

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

Yeah I see where he is a raging racist he alone is responsible for the hundreds of years of slavery and Jim crow laws he choose to label himself as a single race how dare him. what's your race foss? Be site to include everything or you are a racist. My race is african native cacausion American. My father is half white my great grandmother is native american and my mother is black. I am dark skinned but my hair is straight (thank god) so I claim who I fit in most with.

Yeah I see where he is a raging racist he alone is responsible for the hundreds of years of slavery and Jim crow laws he choose to label himself as a single race how dare him. what's your race foss? Be sure to include everything or you are a racist. My race is african native cacausion American. My father is half white my great grandmother is native american and my mother is black. I am dark skinned but my hair is straight (thank god) so I claim who I fit in most with.

Yeah I see where he is a raging racist he alone is responsible for the hundreds of years of slavery and Jim crow laws he choose to label himself as a single race how dare him. what's your race foss? Be site to include everything or you are a racist. My race is african native cacausion American. My father is half white my great grandmother is native american and my mother is black. I am dark skinned but my hair is straight (thank god) so I claim who I fit in most with.Don't look now, but you just made the case against Rush being a racist.

You get angry easily. Good thing I'm not an innocent unborn baby or I'd be scared. :rolleyes:

He was fired from ESPN after making a comment about the media's embrace of Donovan McNabb after giving in to the organized pressure put on Disney/ABC prior to his hiring by political smear merchants and character assassins and people like yourself who had been convinced of a lie.

YouTube- Rush Limbaugh 2003 ESPN Comments on Donovan McNabb (COMPLETE w/ TRANSCRIPT) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGiTv_xRd5A)



But, Rush Limbaugh is a voice on the radio.
He is not THE MAJORITY LEADER OF THE SENATE.

See the difference there? You're sort of changing the topic completely by bringing up a DJ here. Why don't we talk about Trent Lott? He was also the Majority Leader of the Senate who lost his position after saying something silly while trying to be nice at an ancient old guy's birthday, Strom Thurmond.

Trent Lott said this country would have been better off if this country had selected Strom, who was pro-segregation, for president.

However, the story just broke today, the book has yet to be released.
How much coverage will this get on even the Sunday morning news/talk shows? And will there be the same organized outrage as his "insensitive" comment.

Its monday, and mmy BB has been blowing up since Saturday, So I think this story has gotten a lot of attention.

Is it really any worse than Joe Biden calling him the first "clean African-American" to run?

In my opinion he is the first clean African American, hell, look at who else ran, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Alan Keys, and a lady, I cant think of her name.

Don't look now, but you just made the case against Rush being a racist.

You get angry easily. Good thing I'm not an innocent unborn baby or I'd be scared. :rolleyes:

No need to get scared, I am only a combat medic, I would have to hire an actual Doc to abort someone your age, and he would charge way too much, hell you are what? 50, 60 years old (your closed minded way of thinking gave away your age). :rolleyes:

No need to get scared, I am only a combat medic, I would have to hire an actual Doc to abort someone your age, and he would charge way too much, hell you are what? 50, 60 years old (your closed minded way of thinking gave away your age). :rolleyes:BZZZZ! Sorry, Hans, wrong guess! Would you like to try for double jeopardy where the scores can really change? :rolleyes:

But clearly I'm older than you - your lack of maturity gave away your age.

Democrats on Trent Lott's comment in 2002:

His apology does not take away the sting of his divisive words…‘ - Barbara Boxer

‘I can tell you if a Democratic leader said such a thing, they would not be allowed to keep their position,’ - Mary Landrieu

‘What he said was insensitive as hell; it’s very offensive,’ … ‘Race is serious stuff. It’s not something you kid about.’ - Joe Biden

‘…the GOP must decide whether Lott ‘represents the views of the majority of Republicans in the Senate and in our country.‘ - Hillary Clinton

‘We need political leaders who are healers, not dividers,’ … ‘I hope that Senator Lott’s apology will translate into action and that he will advance policies that bring us together as a nation rather than pull us apart.‘ - Dick Durbin

‘When connected to past comments and votes, this statement casts a dark shadow over Sen. Lott’s ability to be a credible party leader‘ - Diane Feinstein

‘Sen. Debbie Stabenow, a Democrat, described Lott’s comments as ‘outrageous’ and ‘completely inexcusable.’ ‘Those kinds of comments have no place in our society and should be repudiated by every American,’ Stabenow said in a statement. ‘At this point, the Republican caucus in the U.S. Senate needs to think long and hard about the kind of values they want their leadership to represent.‘ - Debbie Stabenow

YouTube- Rush Limbaugh 2003 ESPN Comments on Donovan McNabb (COMPLETE w/ TRANSCRIPT) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGiTv_xRd5A)
Did you watch the clip? Tell me what he said in that clip was racist.
The fact is, there was nothing racist in that clip at all. NOTHING.

None of the commentators felt the statement was racist.
Donovan McNab didn't think it was racist- at that time, he was playing poorly. Limbaugh even acknowledges that he's a good investment for the team, just that AT THAT TIME the media accolades were uncalled for.

Trent Lott said this country would have been better off if this country had selected Strom, who was pro-segregation, for president.

No, that's not what he said.

Your claim would be like me saying that every time a Democrat said something nice about Robert Byrd, the Democrat "conscience of the senate", they were heaping praise on the Klu Klux Klan since he used to be a "Grand Kleagle."

Another interesting note- the ONLY time I've ever heard the mainstream press address Robert Byrd's racist history was AFTER he spoke critically of the power grab taking place by Obama and his executive branch of government.

To repeat the story yet again, Trent Lott was at the 100th birthday party of the senile old senator, Strom Thurmond. He was being nice to an old person at their party. It had nothing to do with race relations. It had nothing to do with the platform that Thurmond may or may not have run on in the 1948. He was being nice to the old person. And Thurmond had no longer endorsed segregation policy later in his long (arguably too long) political career.

So you're 0/2 with the cries of racism here.
What you've provided were TWO examples of the political left distorting an event and really exploiting race in this country in an effort to hurt their political opposition. In Rush's case, he's a high profile media voice. In Lott's case, he was the Senate Majority Leader at the time. And while Lott wasn't a particularly great Leader, his ouster did significant damage to the Republican's organization in Congress.

Its monday, and mmy BB has been blowing up since Saturday, So I think this story has gotten a lot of attention.
There have been mentions of it in the press, but the White House was well prepared for it an issued the talking points in advance. It didn't catch anybody off guard.

So far, we can tell a few things have happened.
1- there have been multiple instances of racial insensitivity in this book by prominent Democrats. The easiest to address and dismiss is the Reid one and the White House and media have focuses their attention on that. It's much more difficult to deal with the quotes from the current Vice-President and more damaging, ex-President Clinton.

2- The talking points are well scripted. As if on cue, the pundits and spokespeople have all shifted focus onto Trent Lott AND/OR over to a trivial story about Richard Steele at the RNC.

In my opinion he is the first clean African American, hell, look at who else ran, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Alan Keys, and a lady, I cant think of her name.
Are you saying that Alan Keynes is neither articulate, clean, or intelligent... I'd have to disagree with you 100% on that point. Foolishly, Obama ran against a carpet bagging Keynes for his Senate seat.

What you mean to say is that he was the first black DEMOCRAT candidate who appeared to be "clean"- unlike Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who, I would argue, are both unethical, race exploiting, criminals.

Trent Lott said this country would have been better off if this country had selected Strom, who was pro-segregation, for president.

Thurman also ran on a State's rights platform. So, when lot was praising Thurman how do you KNOW he was talking about the segregationist part? Or are you simply ASSUMING that?

In my opinion he is the first clean African American, hell, look at who else ran, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Alan Keys, and a lady, I cant think of her name.

Sharpton and Jackson are nothing more then mafia type shakedown artists; well dressed thugs. But how is Alan Keys not a "clean African American"?

Also, you might be interested to know that Limbaugh often has had a black made named Professor Walter E. Williams guest host for him when he is on vactions. In fact, Williams has been doing so for Limbaugh for around two decades. Williams was the guest host the Thursday after Limbaugh's emergency room visit in Hawaii. Williams also often has another black intellectual, Dr. Thomas Sowell, as a guest when he hosts.

Limbaugh's call screener and "Official Obama Criticizer" is a black man, too.

Is Clarence Thomas a 'clean' African American?

Did you watch the clip? Tell me what he said in that clip was racist.
The fact is, there was nothing racist in that clip at all. NOTHING.

None of the commentators felt the statement was racist.
Donovan McNab didn't think it was racist- at that time, he was playing poorly. Limbaugh even acknowledges that he's a good investment for the team, just that AT THAT TIME the media accolades were uncalled for.



No, that's not what he said.

Your claim would be like me saying that every time a Democrat said something nice about Robert Byrd, the Democrat "conscience of the senate", they were heaping praise on the Klu Klux Klan since he used to be a "Grand Kleagle."

Another interesting note- the ONLY time I've ever heard the mainstream press address Robert Byrd's racist history was AFTER he spoke critically of the power grab taking place by Obama and his executive branch of government.

To repeat the story yet again, Trent Lott was at the 100th birthday party of the senile old senator, Strom Thurmond. He was being nice to an old person at their party. It had nothing to do with race relations. It had nothing to do with the platform that Thurmond may or may not have run on in the 1948. He was being nice to the old person. And Thurmond had no longer endorsed segregation policy later in his long (arguably too long) political career.

So you're 0/2 with the cries of racism here.
What you've provided were TWO examples of the political left distorting an event and really exploiting race in this country in an effort to hurt their political opposition. In Rush's case, he's a high profile media voice. In Lott's case, he was the Senate Majority Leader at the time. And while Lott wasn't a particularly great Leader, his ouster did significant damage to the Republican's organization in Congress.


There have been mentions of it in the press, but the White House was well prepared for it an issued the talking points in advance. It didn't catch anybody off guard.

So far, we can tell a few things have happened.
1- there have been multiple instances of racial insensitivity in this book by prominent Democrats. The easiest to address and dismiss is the Reid one and the White House and media have focuses their attention on that. It's much more difficult to deal with the quotes from the current Vice-President and more damaging, ex-President Clinton.

2- The talking points are well scripted. As if on cue, the pundits and spokespeople have all shifted focus onto Trent Lott AND/OR over to a trivial story about Richard Steele at the RNC.


Are you saying that Alan Keynes is neither articulate, clean, or intelligent... I'd have to disagree with you 100% on that point. Foolishly, Obama ran against a carpet bagging Keynes for his Senate seat.

What you mean to say is that he was the first black DEMOCRAT candidate who appeared to be "clean"- unlike Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who, I would argue, are both unethical, race exploiting, criminals.

The guy said McNabb wasn't good, he was hyped up because the media is desirious to see a "black quarterback" suceed. Why couldn't he have said McNabb is overated, I think Lebron is overated, I would never say, the media is desirious to see a black NBA player to suceed.

What bothers you most? The fact that he is a racist, or the fact that he is a democrat. It bothers me that none of you mentioned the fact that another white elected politician is caught saying something racist, but you were quick to pointe out he was a democrat.

Is Clarence Thomas a 'clean' African American?

Whats a clean "african-america" would that be the same as a clean "caucasion"? If not please let me know the requirements, also please tell me the definition of "brutha"

The guy said McNabb wasn't good, he was hyped up because the media is desirious to see a "black quarterback" suceed. Why couldn't he have said McNabb is overated, I think Lebron is overated, I would never say, the media is desirious to see a black NBA player to suceed.

Why not note the truth? Is it racist to note the truth?


What bothers you most? The fact that he is a racist, or the fact that he is a democrat. It bothers me that none of you mentioned the fact that another white elected politician is caught saying something racist, but you were quick to pointe out he was a democrat.

It is because we are concerned about the blatant double standard on the left (and social institutions dominated by the left; pop culture, academia, the mainstream media, etc.). That is a double standard that you seem to be buying into.

If a republican says anything that is able to be spun as racist (not necessarily something that is racist) it is a huge indecent and the person demonized. However, if a democrat says something that, by the standard they have created, is clearly racist, it is swept under the rug...

The left takes the black community for granted. If a black person is strongly conservative, they are smeared and no racist sentiment is too good. Race is a tool for the left and if you threaten that tool your character will be assassinated. Look at how Clarence Thomas was treated in his confirmation hearings. Basically, black people are fine, as long as they know their place, according to the left...

The guy said McNabb wasn't good, he was hyped up because the media is desirious to see a "black quarterback" suceed. Why couldn't he have said McNabb is overated, I think Lebron is overated, I would never say, the media is desirious to see a black NBA player to suceed.Regardless of how you would have phrased it, what he said wasn't racist. He was literally accusing the media of a racist mentality.

Why not note the truth? Is it racist to note the truth?...
So you are saying the media is "hyping" up black quarterbacks? If so, they did a horrible job with JaMarcus Russell, hell the only black quarterback in my top ten is....... Oh yeah there are none in my top ten. I think the sports world is one of the few places where people actually "earn" their place.




It is because we are concerned about the blatant double standard on the left (and social institutions dominated by the left; pop culture, academia, the mainstream media, etc.). That is a double standard that you seem to be buying into....

Who was voted the greatest rapper of the decade? Eminem, so I guess the entertainment is desirious to see a white guy succeed in the entertainment industry, maybe he succeeded because he can rap.

If a republican says anything that is able to be spun as racist (not necessarily something that is racist) it is a huge indecent and the person demonized. However, if a democrat says something that, by the standard they have created, is clearly racist, it is swept under the rug....... Rush once said the goverment is taking the place of black fathers, and allowing these men to do whatever they want, and the kids grow up thinking they turned out good, or what we think is good. Is that not racist, there is not truth to that, my mother and my father were seperated, but my father was active in my life, and I know I am successful, majority of my family cleared six figures before 30 years of age, sso what black family is he talking about? I can provide audio if you need it.

The left takes the black community for granted. If a black person is strongly conservative, they are smeared and no racist sentiment is too good. Race is a tool for the left and if you threaten that tool your character will be assassinated. Look at how Clarence Thomas was treated in his confirmation hearings. Basically, black people are fine, as long as they know their place, according to the left...[/QUOTE]

So what if someone said the goverment has taken the place of fathers in the black community, is that racist?

Regardless of how you would have phrased it, what he said wasn't racist. He was literally accusing the media of a racist mentality.

Like I asked before, what happened to JaMarcus Russel (QB Oakland Raiders) if the media is bias towards black quarterbacks, why is he failing?

So you are saying the media is "hyping" up black quarterbacks?

I am not a huge sports fan so I have no clue. However, what matters is that Limbaugh felt that was the truth and it has nothing to do with, nor reflects, any racist sentiment on his part.

Who was voted the greatest rapper of the decade? Eminem, so I guess the entertainment is desirious to see a white guy succeed in the entertainment industry, maybe he succeeded because he can rap.

Your analogy oversimplifies and ignores the reasons for Limbaugh's comments.

Rush once said the goverment is taking the place of black fathers, and allowing these men to do whatever they want, and the kids grow up thinking they turned out good, or what we think is good. Is that not racist, there is not truth to that, my mother and my father were seperated, but my father was active in my life, and I know I am successful, majority of my family cleared six figures before 30 years of age, sso what black family is he talking about? I can provide audio if you need it.

The empirical evidence backs up that claim. In fact, black scholars Walter E. Williams and, specifically, Thomas Sowell have conducted research that prove that. You should pick up Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rednecks_and_White_Liberals).

So what if someone said the goverment has taken the place of fathers in the black community, is that racist?


No, it would be the truth; that is precisely the effect that the war on poverty has had on the black family. Illegitimacy rates in the black community were on par with (if not better then) the white community until the 1960's. After President Johnson's "war on poverty" initiatives, illegitimacy rates skyrocketed in the black community. Today they are near 80%!

No, it would be the truth; that is precisely the effect that the war on poverty has had on the black family. Illegitimacy rates in the black community were on par with (if not better then) the white community until the 1960's. After President Johnson's "war on poverty" initiatives, illegitimacy rates skyrocketed in the black community. Today they are near 80%!

Shag let me remind you of something, I have never been raised by the government, my dad and my mom weren't together, but my parents bust their arse to make sure their kids weren't welfare reciepienets. I take offense and I am sure majority of black men or fathers who are in their kids life feel the same way. Illegitimate does not equal WELFARE! My sister was 14 when she had here first child, she was just commisioned as a 2nd Lt in the US Army at 20 years old, she never recieved assistance.

I was reading this and thought you mmight want to read it,

The illegitimacy rate is the number of births to unmarried women in a given
year per 1,000 unmarried women ages 15-44. The illegitimacy rate has increased
substantially since 1970, although the rate has declined slightly since 1994.
Between 1970 and 1994, the rate increased from 26.4 to 46.9, then it fell to 44.0 in
1997, increased slightly in 1998 and 1999, dropped back to 44.0 in 2000, decreased
slightly to 43.8 in 2001, and to 43.6 in 2002. Over the period 1970-2002, the birth
rate for unmarried women increased by 65 percent.
Birth rates for unmarried women also vary considerably by race and ethnicity.
In 2001, the rates were 43.8 for women of all races; 27.5 for non-Hispanic white
women; 68.2 for black women; and 87.8 for Hispanic women. The birth rate for all
unmarried women was the same in 2001 as it was in 1990. However, during the
period 1990-2001, the birth rate for unmarried non-Hispanic white women
increased nearly 13 percent while the rate for unmarried black women dropped by
almost 25 percent (According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS),
the birth rates cannot be computed for non-Hispanic black women because the
M-4
necessary populations are not available). The rate for unmarried Hispanic women
decreased 2 percent (National Center for Health Statistics, 2002, p. 48; National
Center for Health Statistics, 2003, p. 14).

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf

Its amazing how a few words can be changed around to clear up misunderstandings. Rush is in the entertainment industry, he could have said SOME black fathers are absent, instead he said "black fathers" that means ALL.

Like I asked before, what happened to JaMarcus Russel (QB Oakland Raiders) if the media is bias towards black quarterbacks, why is he failing?Your red herring doesn't address the issue of whether or not Rush's statement is racist, you're only arguing that he's incorrect about the media.

But since you brought it up, isn't Russell still on the field after three miserable years? So actually Rush would be right and you would be wrong. How long did Tarvaris Jackson stay on the field despite the fact that he was PATHETIC? Only bringing in a legend would satisfy the media in that case.

How long was the ineffective Kordell Stewart the starter for the Steelers? McNabb got PWNED by the Cowboys three games in a row this season and looked awful doing it, and yet Andy Reid just announced that he's the starter next season. How is Michael Vick even in the league right now? Why is the media curiously silent during Philadelphia games instead of highlighting Vick's felonious past every time he steps onto the field?

And what about the Rooney rule? Isn't that a form of affirmative action NFL-style?

Shag let me remind you of something, I have never been raised by the government, my dad and my mom weren't together, but my parents bust their arse to make sure their kids weren't welfare reciepienets.

And they should be applauded for that. It takes some very exceptional people to raise a kid right in those circumstances.

But that one example doesn't disprove the trend.

I take offense and I am sure majority of black men or fathers who are in their kids life feel the same way.

Sanctimonious outrage does not justify ignoring the truth. Maybe you should make sure you understand the precise point being made before you take offense. If you take offense at the fact and logical conclusions drawn from the empirical evidence, then that is your problem, not mine.

Illegitimate does not equal WELFARE!

I never said it did. But the two do go together. Look at the welfare rolls if you want proof. Again, part of the war on poverty. Basically, the government started subsidizing illegitimacy and a traditional father-as-breadwinner became unnecessary in far too many black families. Again, the stats back this up. I am not going to run through them all here. I have mentioned where you can find some of the information. It has been a well know fact for decades. However, far too many people are scared to talk about it for fear of offending someone. That breeds ignorance and perpetuates the problems...

I was reading this and thought you might want to read it,

It is more proof of what I said. There are primarily two initiatives from the war on poverty at play here; sex education and welfare for single mothers. Sex education was aimed at reducing illegitimacy, teenage sexual activity and STD's. Instead, all of those went up; disproportionately so in the black community. Welfare was aimed at eliminating poverty. Instead poverty rose; disproportionately so in the black community. That is a big part of the reason why you have a MASSIVE disparity in 2001 between whites (27.5) and blacks/Hispanics (68.2 and 87.8, respectively)when it comes to illegitimacy rates. That disparity has been in place since the 1960's. It has been attributed to the "legacy of slavery" by the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, etc., however, that disparity was NONEXISTENT before the 1960's so the "legacy of slavery" is not a viable explanation.

FYI, as far as trends go, that slight dip downward in black illegitimacy rates in 2001 was temporary it has been rising again sense then.

Also, when it comes to Hispanic illegitimacy rates, those are harder to count as accurately because of illegal immigration. For instance, a family might visit Mexico and come back with 2,3, 4 or more new "kids" which are actually cousins to the true offspring of the parents in the family. My mother works at an ESL elementary school and it is a very common occurrence for a kid in her class to get a few new "siblings" over Xmas break that are then in school with them for the rest of the year.

Rush is in the entertainment industry, he could have said SOME black fathers are absent, instead he said "black fathers" that means ALL.


No, that does NOT mean ALL. That means a MAJORITY. There is a difference. You are distorting what he said; setting up a straw man.

Here (http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2005/05/05/black_rednecks_and_white_liberals) is an article by Thomas Sowell on his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals. You really should check it out and inform yourself on these issues instead of going with ignorant outrage which ultimately only perpetuates more ignorance...
Black identity has become a hot item in the movies, on television, and in the schools and colleges. But few people are aware of how much of what passes as black identity today, including "black English," has its roots in the history of those whites who were called "rednecks" and "crackers" centuries ago in Britain, before they ever crossed the Atlantic and settled in the South.

Saying "acrost" for "across" or "ax" for "ask" are today considered to be part of black English. But this way of talking was common centuries ago in those regions of Britain from which white Southerners came. They brought with them more than their own dialect. They brought a whole way of life that made antebellum white Southerners very different from white Northerners.

Violence was far more common in the South -- and in those parts of Britain from which Southerners came. So was illegitimacy, lively music and dance, and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery. All of this would become part of the cultural legacy of blacks, who lived for centuries in the midst of the redneck culture of the South.

That culture was as notable for what it did not have as for what it had. It did not emphasize education, for example, or intellectual interests in general.

Illiteracy was far more common among whites in the antebellum South than among whites in the North, and of course the blacks held in bondage in the South were virtually all illiterate. On into the early 20th century, Southern whites scored lower on mental tests than whites in other parts of the country, as blacks continued to do.

Many aspects of Southern life that some observers have attributed to race or racism, or to slavery, were common to Southern blacks and whites alike -- and were common in those parts of Britain from which Southern whites came, where there were no slaves and where most people had never seen anyone black.

Most Southern blacks and whites moved away from that redneck culture over the generations, as its consequences proved to be counterproductive or even disastrous. But it survives today among the poorest and least educated ghetto blacks.

This is a much bigger story than can fit into a newspaper column, which is why I wrote my latest book, "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."

White liberals come into this story because, since the 1960s, they have been aiding and abetting a counterproductive ghetto lifestyle that is essentially a remnant of the redneck culture which handicapped Southern whites and blacks alike for generations.

Many among the intelligentsia portray the black redneck culture today as the only "authentic" black culture and even glamorize it. They denounce any criticism of the ghetto lifestyle or any attempt to change it.

Teachers are not supposed to correct black youngsters who speak "black English" and no one is supposed to be judgmental about the whole lifestyle of black rednecks. In that culture, belligerence is considered being manly and crudity is considered cool, while being civilized is regarded as "acting white."

These are devastating, self-imposed handicaps that prevent many young ghetto blacks from getting a decent education or an opportunity to rise to higher levels.

Multiculturalism today celebrates all cultures but it is the poor who ultimately pay the price of that celebration in stunted development, missed opportunities and blighted lives.

No one today would dare to do what Northern missionaries did after the Civil War, set up schools for newly freed black children in the South with the explicit purpose of removing them from the redneck culture that was holding back both races there.

A wholly disproportionate number of future black leaders and pioneers in many fields came out of the relatively few and small enclaves of Northern culture deliberately planted in the post-Civil War South. What they did worked and what the multiculturalists are doing today repeatedly fails.

But results are no longer the test. The test is whether what you say makes you feel good as someone who is a "friend" of blacks. But friends like that can do more damage than enemies.