I found a good deal on a couple subs with enclosure.

They are Phoenix Gold Xenon 10" dual 4-ohm voice coils: 1 pair

And a sealed enclosure. 3/4" MDF

For 145 shipped to my door.

The amp I have is a Kenwood KAC-9104D, and will put 900w x 1 at 1 ohm (I will wire them to one ohm).

Anyways, just wondering if anyone has any imput on the subs as far as quality. They only handle 450w rms.

Here's the specs I was able to find on the subs:
Phoenix Gold Xenon

* Sensitivity: 85.3 dB
* RMS Power Range : 450 Watts
* Peak Power Handling: 800 Watts
* Impedance: Dual 4 Ohm
* Diameter: 10 Inch

Features

* Ultra-Low Distortion
* 2.5" High Temperature Voice Coil
* Oversized Magnet Assembly
* Removable Magnet Boot
* Large Roll Butyl Rubber Surround
* Computer-Optimized Dual Spiders
* Custom-Tooled Spider Spacing Ring with Integrated Input Terminals
* True 38mm (1 1/3") Peak-To-Peak Excursion
* Injection Molded Grained Polypropylene Cone
* 8-Piece Injection Molded Polypropylene Dust Cap
* Expanded Metal Vent Inlays
* Black Powder Coated Cast Aluminum Basket
* Dual 8mm Superbright Blue LEDs
* 175 oz. Y33-Grade Magnet Structure
* Hex Screw Wire Terminals
* Mounting Depth: 6 1/2"

And the pics:
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/spin_r_g/for%20sale/subs2.jpg?t=1255822335
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Oh, and here is the cheapest place I could find them online:

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_14158_Phoenix_Gold_Xenon_X10D4.aspx

i don't really know a lot about those subs, a buddy of mine had a set of PG 12's (not sure which models they where but they had 3 led's around the logo in the center) and he was really happy with them and they sounded good.

The only thing that i would be concerned with is back a while ago when we sold that model amp, is we could never get them to run @ 1 ohm, they did say that they where 1 ohm stable but every time we tried it (driving either a pair of Alpine Type R's or Rockford P3's) they would only play for about 5-10 minutes before they would blow the fuse. we tried a couple of defferent amp thinking that it was just a defective amp but they all operated the same. out of four different systems only one of the systems worked with out any problems, the rest of the time we just had to take a ton of money off of either the Alpine or Rockford 1000's for the package, so i dont know if there was just a bad batch of them or if there was a mistake on the specs and it was supposed to only be 2 ohm stable, but needless to say we didn't try to sell many more of them to see if the problem was ever fixed.

Another bit of info. My current setup is a single 12" sub. Directed Audio SX12D4. dual 4 ohm voice coil, wired to 2 ohm. 1200W max, 600w RMS. In a vented enclosure.

I would probably just try to get a second Directed, a slightly bigger amp, and stick with a ported box

The box is a freebie, I just have to pay 35 bucks to ship it.

But these probably won't be better? I was going to sell what I have, and put these in the trunk. Really what I liked about these is they would fit completely under the rear shelf.

I don't want to buy a bigger amp, just was thinking about switching the sub/box out.

the audio store i go to used to sell phoenix gold stuff. pretty quality stuff they have. the only bad thing ive ever experianced with them was their amps. ive been through 2 of them in a pretty short period of time. i say pick em up. 10s are the way to go of you are going to be getting anything imo. i love the accuracy of them.

Eh.... TBH any major car audio buffs would tell you not to get those subs. You can get some real nice underground brands for a little more.

But if you are wanting something to just toss in there and hook up to your amp I can see that being a decent deal. But I would never own PG subwoofers... or amps...

dont do it.... good price but you get what you pay for. and your amp will not run at 1ohm. for 145 you can probly find something alot better. remember 2 is not always better than 1. you can probly find 2 10inch jl w0s for that price. the new ones hit hard but are not a good sq sub. i run all hertz so thats what i recommend. im very happy. you can probly get a dieci 12 for thjat price that will sound better.

pete dont do it!... i my opinion if you want something thats gonna take a beating and keep on ticking look elsewhere...

i have two 12" kicker CVX's in my LS and they are amazing! I first had two 12'' Alpine type-x subs n blew 'em up - but the kickers take everything ive thrown at them. For power I have 2 alpine v12 amps (one for ea. sub) wired at 4 Ohm's pushin' 750w RMS / 1500w peak to ea. sub in a 1.0 sealed enclosure. Let me tell you they pound!:eek: ...and they are sealed! If they were ported (or vented/bandpass whatever) id probably need a new car by now. (and yes i have the whole trunk dynamated)

The 12''s fit nicely under the rear deck but if you want 10"s they should provide plenty of power - actually one 12" CVX in a ported box would probably be more than enough.

your actually in luck as Amazon is offering all kicker stuff on sale now...the subs are ridiculously cheap. $119.99 ea. for the 10" subs with free shipping!:eek: ask anybody thats crazy! they r usually like $250+ ea.

here are the links for 10" 2ohm and 4ohm

http://www.amazon.com/Kicker-CompVX-06CVX104-10-Inch-Subwoofer/dp/B000OFTIQ8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256189345&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Kicker-CompVX-06CVX102-10-Inch-Subwoofer/dp/B000ST37FI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256189345&sr=1-6


and yea, here is my trunk setup [as of now]...bad pic - I apologize

...and o yea, wtf is good with the LEDs on the PG subs?... idk about anybody else but i want my subs to pound, not light up... ahh whatever

...and o yea, wtf is good with the LEDs on the PG subs?... idk about anybody else but i want my subs to pound, not light up... ahh whatever
+1 ya lol

I hear ya on the LED's. Thanks, guys. I'll pass on them.

let me ask you questions that will help in your qwest for new subs.
1: wat type of music do you listen to most?
2:are you more of a sound quality guy or a bass guy?
3: wat type of head unit and speakers are you running besides subs

Head unit: Kenwood Excelon DDX7015:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t228/pektel/hufull.jpg

Door speakers are eclipse something-or-others. 5x7 components, with the tweeter mounted up higher in the drawer:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t228/pektel/tweeter.jpg

I would prefer sound quality to over-powering bass. I like it to be balanced.

But if I want to listen to something bass heavy (i.e. Nelly's "Pimp Juice" lol), I really want the bass to rumble.

Here is the sub/enclosure I have now. It's just a generic enclosure.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t228/pektel/directed1.jpg

And for those who say my amp is not 1-ohm stable, everything I can find says it is. In plain writing.

Pek, is there something with your bass' sound now that you're not happy with? The reason I ask is that I'm going to be putting a single Kicker 12" Solobaric w/ Kicker Vented enclosure in mine, and am wondering if I'll end up in the same spot you are.

TRU - just the bassics, please

Nah, it's fine the way it is. I just thought if it was an excellent deal, then I would buy it. I haven't been looking for anything else, it just sort of fell into my lap.

not a bad setup but maybe just do a custom box for your 12 that meets its specs. and add dynamat. belive it or not it not only stops rattles but increases sound quality and decibels.

I think I would really prefer a sealed enclosure for more accuracy. I tried to purchase a 36sf pack of dynamat extreme from krys ( a member here) for 150, but she never got back to me. Guess I'll have to try somewhere else.

Thanks for the tips!

dont buy any of that crap

http://www.dealercostcaraudio.com/10455.aspx just for you pektel.

We used to call that amp "death" back in the day. It would be running fine then all of the sudden it would blow. Also phoenix gold is cheap crap. Like everyone else is saying, your get what you pay for. The LS is a classy car, put some quality stuff in there. Phoenix gold belongs in Kia's.

ive been in car audio for 15 years now. every company has cheap stuff for the masses then high end stuff for people that know whats up. phoenix gold has been around for a long time and have had some of the best amps in the past. the xenons are cheap just like the kickers and most of the subs anyone on here has. now the phoenix titanium line badass. good audio costs alot, way more than anyone wants to pay when they can go to best buy and get amp and subs for $300. any decent sub costs over 200 each and any good sub amp is at least 600 and requires 2 gauge wire minimum. car audio used to be high end now its all fast and furious crap for the masses that wanna "bump" for cheap

the ls is kinda classy but not really, especially with all the pimp rides around. cheap american cars really, but i likem

im ranting......to much sugar today............................................. .................................................. ..................................

ive been in car audio for 15 years now. every company has cheap stuff for the masses then high end stuff for people that know whats up. phoenix gold has been around for a long time and have had some of the best amps in the past. the xenons are cheap just like the kickers and most of the subs anyone on here has. now the phoenix titanium line badass. good audio costs alot, way more than anyone wants to pay when they can go to best buy and get amp and subs for $300. any decent sub costs over 200 each and any good sub amp is at least 600 and requires 2 gauge wire minimum. car audio used to be high end now its all fast and furious crap for the masses that wanna "bump" for cheap

the ls is kinda classy but not really, especially with all the pimp rides around. cheap american cars really, but i likem

im ranting......to much sugar today............................................. .................................................. ..................................
i must disagree. you can get a high quality sub amp for alot less than 600. just cuz it cost a certain amount doesnt make it bad or good. and the pheonix gold titanium amps were badass but that line isnt available anymore beings that pheonix gold sold there name to a cheap a$$ company.

p.s. i have been in the audio buisness for many years. az-specialists.com we have won many awards

ive been in car audio for 15 years now. every company has cheap stuff for the masses then high end stuff for people that know whats up. phoenix gold has been around for a long time and have had some of the best amps in the past. the xenons are cheap just like the kickers and most of the subs anyone on here has. now the phoenix titanium line badass. good audio costs alot, way more than anyone wants to pay when they can go to best buy and get amp and subs for $300. any decent sub costs over 200 each and any good sub amp is at least 600 and requires 2 gauge wire minimum. car audio used to be high end now its all fast and furious crap for the masses that wanna "bump" for cheap

the ls is kinda classy but not really, especially with all the pimp rides around. cheap american cars really, but i likem

im ranting......to much sugar today............................................. .................................................. ..................................




Eh not to sound like a d!ck, but you do not need to spend all that money for a decent setup... ANd 2 guage wire? haha what the heck? How can you even determine that when it is not money specific... It is wattage specific.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/PressRoom/Press+Releases/Navigation/The+Specialist+Wins+the+2009+Pioneer+Sound+Build-Off+Competition


and to back up my experience in the industry. highest points ever given at a pioneer competition. ill take pics of my buisness cards too. and pektel if you want tight hard hitting bass for a good price look into jl 8w3s or digital design 8s. i had 3 jl 8s and was the best sub setup ive had to date i even hit a 154.3 in a ported enclosure. and cuz of the small cone area they were tight and a great sq sub

Gixxerboy. Are those subs on the trunk floor?

yes they are in the spare tire well along with amps and crossovers. i should say were as that was 3 systems ago. all setups since then have been in the tire well as i have gained decibels and sq in this location as well as still having a trunk to use

Nice. Did it yourself? or had it done. Thats pretty cool. I took my subs out cause I needed the trunk space. Was thinking of just putting some better ones in place of the stock ones

did it myself. i try and do everything on my car myself. so far the tint is the only thing i didnt do.

Eh not to sound like a d!ck, but you do not need to spend all that money for a decent setup... ANd 2 guage wire? haha what the heck? How can you even determine that when it is not money specific... It is wattage specific.

big clean power = big wire = big$$$$$


ive had sound quality cars and an spl car. ive hit 159.6 db with 4 12's and scored 18 out of 20 on a real time analyzer in usac comps. i know a thing or 2. not sure if they do the same usac stuff anymore that was 10 years ago. i worked for a high end custom shop much like unique up until a few years ago i moved to home audio install

i was just ranting about the lower quality car audio ive been exposed to in recent times. i look for stuff from like 1997 or so. im old school when amps could do a fraction of an ohm. 50 watt high current amps were like $800 but could run 4 subs and draw like 150amps. lol

159 huh?

What gear were you running if you don't mind me asking.

I recently compete in USACi in the south and was running a daily ground pounder.


What class were you? Was the 159.6 legal @ the dash? sealed up?

And thanks for the lesson on wire lol, heres some 0/1 runs in my street beater:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5452/081808192901uh4.jpg

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/514430.jpg


What vehicle did you compete with?


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whoa. That's way too much bass for me.

gixxerboi, I really like how you described the 8" subs. I think I'm way more into sq setups than spl.

the setup in the pic of the 3 jls only hit a 143 but it sounded great those 8s got down to almost 20 hz. so songs like blueberry yum yum made the front window flex a bit. but i have a friend in a death metal type band and he had this song with a double kick drum and so far thats one of the only systems i have heard that could keep up with it.

also does anyone know how i can send a song to someone else? i would like for you guys to hear the song im talking about

Yep. upload it to www.sendspace.com

it will give you a download link when it's finished. Post the link here, and we can download it that way.

And, I was just looking at the JL 8w3 online. Says it only handles 150w rms/ 300 max. Isn't that kind of low? I mean, my amp would be too much for them.

like i said it was 10 years ago.i was a part of "team xtreme". i used the original Orion Xtr dual voicecoil 12's. 4 of them in a small sealed enclosure firing up into another enclosure that was angled forward and sealed all around except the front. it was bolted down and the top was braced with 2x4s cuz it would crack the mdf. powered by a Orion 250 hcca at 1/2 ohm mono. also had another 250 hcca running mb quart 3way components up front (8",4", tweet). old skool kenwood ps905 cd, orion 300psw line driver preamp, and an audiocontrol 30 band eq. 160 amp alternator and deep cycle battery. it was at the dash with the windows half way down. car was covered in dynamat, cracks were filled with expanding foam to make it good and solid. using good ole bass mechanik at about 55-60hz. my amps were "rated" at 50 watts per channel. i would win my class and overall spl usually. i was only in high school my friends ran Pro Audio here in STL they gave me product and advice i did all my installs, looked nice but not all cool like u see pros do, but i was young. all in my first car that was a 1987 cavalier baby.....sweet

before and after from when i was 15 to when i was 18. lol whats funny is people really thought that car was awesome back then
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z85/XxbmxlsxX/cavalier.jpg

a friend of mine todd waters had a walk thru mazda with same box design, 6 xtr 15's, just 2- 225 hcca amps, 12 batteries. he went to world finals in 97 and hit 167.3db with the mic near the rearview mirror. the original orion stuff was sick then they sold out to go mainstream and took a dump. spl doesnt really tell you how "loud" the system is. i had been in the pro audio van with 12-12's in a wall right behind you. it hurt but only did 153db. the key was sealing everything so the waves all went forward at eye level and making the car as solid as possible as to not absorb the vibrations and mounting the box solid to the car for stiffness. at least thats what i think

And, I was just looking at the JL 8w3 online. Says it only handles 150w rms/ 300 max. Isn't that kind of low? I mean, my amp would be too much for them.

over powering is good. underpowering bad

What about Boston Acoustics?

Specifically, this one:

http://www.dealercostcaraudio.com/spg555-2.aspx

It should fit all the way under the rear shelf, and I think would be a good mate for my amp. For some reason, I want to think that BA is good for SQ. I could be completely wrong though.

But if I'm gonna spend 400 on a sub, I should probably just get this one, eh?

http://www.dealercostcaraudio.com/10w7.aspx

But if I'm gonna spend 400 on a sub, I should probably just get this one, eh?

http://www.dealercostcaraudio.com/10w7.aspx

thats a good sub right there. take your rear deck sub off that way some sound can pass thru the openings. this way youll still be able to put some stuff in the trunk. dynamat the trunk make sure the license plate cant rattle also. should sound real good and clean

my buddy was selling one in the jl enclosure with a jl amp for it. im trying to see if hes still got it. ill let you know asap

i personally think the w6 sound better but the w7's hit harder...im in the process of dynomatting my trunk and so far just doing the trunk lid makes such a big difference

sorry he sold his jl stuff already

That's cool. Thanks for checking. Not sure I want to upgrade that much yet anyways.

So what's the thoughts on the Boston Acoustics one?

that boston is known as the egg. in the right enclosure its loud. one of the loudest ive heard but as far as sq it simly isnt for that. i would definatly suggest the jl. make sure the box is done right and it will blow you away. and in the future upgrade your amp when you have the cash and it will sound twice as good.

hey pektel... do you have any speakers in ur back deck? if not i have a wonderful idea for you....

i.ve thought about locating the pports to where those voids are. no i don.t have the rear deck subs. but then i have to build a box, and buy ports. i.m not so sure i like ported boxes. but i.m a novice at the whole thing, so always open to your ideas!

hey pektel, I sent you a pm about some eclipse subs that i have laying around if you were interested...They are pretty good subs ,they are the older models from like 6 or 7 years ago.

well ill take pics tomarrow of what im describing if need be but i cut the locations where the stock 6x9s go out and wrapped some 6x9 grills i had laying around in tan grill cloth and secured them over the holes. then i took that piece where the arm rest folds down and cut a square out of it then wrapped it in grill cloth and replaced it. now there is nothing stopping the sound from my trunk from coming into the cabin. it sounds like im driving all the time with my rear seats down, but without the ugliness and seats are still useable. if you want pics just let me know. and you would need a real custom box if you wanna port it threw the decklid because if you dont do it just right the port will cancel out the subwoofer and it will just sound gross. put your seats down and listen to ur music and if you like the output do the steps i described above and you will be satisfied"for awhile as there is never enough"

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gixxerboi/marty032.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gixxerboi/marty034.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gixxerboi/marty035.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gixxerboi/marty037.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/gixxerboi/marty039.jpg

you get the idea

Okay first:

Do NOT buy from dealercostaudio. google their name and you will get hundreds of hits of scamming and complaints.

Secondly: That W7 is overpriced ludacris. JL has nice stuff, W7 included, but it is not worth what you pay, 400 dollars on a mainstream 10"? puh lease.

I would take an underground company for half that price and get hell of a lot more out of my money. It sounds like you're not really looking to upgrade to a nice system just yet, but when you are, you should check out some of the real car audio buff's forums: www.caraudio.com and www.ecoustics.com are both nice sites where alot of people will help you out. I started my car audio hobby @ Ecoustics in the forum's subwoofer forum and have been an audio head ever since. The place is great as it is not too cluttered with garbage, like caraudio.com.

I'm going to add dynamat to the inside of my trunk.
Subs keep popping the trunk lid open.
I like the old school rockford amps.
They're small in size put out lots of power and sound 10% better than say my kenwood 500 watt I have in my Camaro.
I built a custom 3.7 cu/ft box that also holds the amps and cap.
It's big but because it's slanted, it has a minimal loss of trunk space.
The RF 1000 watt mono amp toasted my audiobahns so for 350.00 shipped I got a pair of Cadence single 4 ohm coil 35lb subs that can easily handle 1000 watts continuous rms each at 2 ohms.
I,ve added 4 12 volt computer fans on metal brackets to cool my setup.
I can control the 4 amps levels and eq's from the dash and mix it up however I want it.
I like having the old school 3 way setup with an extra amp to power the Bass Shakers under the seats.

Is it wise to run 4 ohm subs at a 2 ohm load?

And link to where you got those for 350 shipped per pair?

How is the SQ?

And gixxerboi, I really may think about doing something to open up to the cabin by way of the rear shelf. My son's car seat sits in the center in the back seat (the safest place in a collision), so I wouldn't be able to use that area behind the arm rest to my advantage.

I'm thinking maybe cutting the holes, then reupholstering the rear shelf, with a couple supports or something. Don't know if I want to use speaker grilles in the rear shelf.

04SCTLS, I just read a suggestion yesterday about your trunk issue. Adjust your latch so it closes tighter. I believe the post I read said you can adjust it about 1/8". Should do the trick.

i know a guy who has a bravox 10 in his car and it is quite possibly the loudest thing i have ever heard. awesome sub but i think they are kind of spendy. this is what it looks like. any of you guys ever used any of there stuff?
48611

04SCTLS, I just read a suggestion yesterday about your trunk issue. Adjust your latch so it closes tighter. I believe the post I read said you can adjust it about 1/8". Should do the trick.

Ha Ha
That was me in the other thread saying you can tighten the latch 1/8 inch.
Even after tightening it down the 1/8 inch it's still poping open after 10-15 min of play so I can:

1. take the top latch out and ovalize the holes then remount it canted to one side so the hook is more curved around the pin if you follow me.

2. Take the bottom latch out and ovalize those holes so it closes even further.

3. Get some Home Depot 1/4 inch weatherstrip on a roll and apply it to the underside of the trunklid where it meets the gasket.

I think I'm going to do the first one because I suspect the latch is slipping past the pin because of the pounding.

Here's the link for the Cadences
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390105100944&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Is it wise to run 4 ohm subs at a 2 ohm load?



2 4 ohm single coil speakers in parallel are 2 ohms.

The Rockford 1000.1 is rated a conservative 1000 watts rms at 2 ohms.
Most subs are 2 4 ohm coils so if you parallel them you get 2 ohms.
This is fine for running a single sub.

But if you have 2 of them you get 1 ohm in parallel or 4 ohms in series.
I had my Audiobahns at 1 ohm and they toasted.

My EQ and crossover add another 12-15 db so I'm putting out lots more than 1000 rms, probably 12-1300.
I specifically bought speakers with single 4 ohm coils rated to take 1000 watts rms each so they would be 2 ohms resistance in parallel for the amp.

Ah, gotcha.
How bout this sub?

http://www.rdaudio.net/elite/elite.htm

I needed a pair and didn't want to spend 400 for 1.

I also considered these Hifonics that can be hooked up as a pair at 2 ohms.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-NEW-HIFONICS-OLM1612-6400W-12-Car-Subwoofers-Subs_W0QQitemZ390076208050QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_S ubwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item5ad25a93b2

Oops, I actually gave the wrong link.

I saw the sonance ones for CHEAP (12's for like 145-155 shipped)

These are the sonance ones:

http://www.rdaudio.net/sonance/sonance.htm

hey 04SCTLS

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=48606&stc=1&d=1256391139

what kind of brackets did you use to hold your box down?

I used hardware store gate locks.
The ones that have the eye that can be turned.
That all that holds the box in place.

This is the thread about building my box.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=54583

Those cheapies match these.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230384756230&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I hooked them up 1 coil per side for 2 ohms and found out I was putting out more than the 500 rms per speaker.
Well 1 set of coils are still good :D

Those Sonances are great pektal.

Glad you found an underground brand to look into rather than the mainstream overpriced junk.

you think thats a good price? and i was thinking about maybe sticking with one 12, just building a proper enclosure.

thoughts?

A Sonance.v2 would be great.

And RD is a good company.

i have been pretty impressed with what i.ve read too. they are also having a helluva deal on a 2800w (at 14.4v) amp. 349 shipped. i can.t remember the model name, but it.s a presale so they are not on the site yet.