EMP (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) attack from the atmosphere will wipe out all of America's infrastructure... electrical grid, computers, cars, everything.

Our food supply will vanish with no refrigeration and tens of millions will starve. The in-fighting will be horrific as people fight for food.

No cars...
No electricity...
No television...
No radio...

Our society would be destroyed within a microsecond. It will take at least a year to get the power back on line. A second burst in, say 6 months later, would finish us off.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Think I'm scare-mongering?

Guess we'll have to wait and see.:cool:

We could cough up $30 billion or maybe a little more and protect ourselves, but hell, universal health care is way more important.:rolleyes:

Dammit, i just bought parts for a new computer. WTF. Well atleast when that happens my hand pump well and shotgun will still work, plus I got alot of canning left to do this year. On the brightside I won't have to worry about my phone service anymore.

What you listed is not the scary part. The nukes with emp sheilding are the real scary part. Launched with predetermined targets and gps guidance from the sats, undetectable in the air, no way to tell when their coming, or where they came from. First strike will = the final strike.

Don't forget to wear your tin foil hat.

There have been reports that the Iranians would like to launch an EMP attack, but I haven't heard much about in the past couple years.

It is a much bigger threat than a nuclear attack since it's so much easier to do, but it wouldn't destroy the entire infrastructure, but a region (depending on altitude that it was fired at). However, I would anticipate that "rural" America would be in better shape afterwords, yet NYC would be a disaster.

Which always leads me to the question, what are you reading/seeing of late that inspired this anticipation?

Don't forget to wear your tin foil hat.

I've been wearing several of them for years:D

However, I would anticipate that "rural" America would be in better shape afterwords, yet NYC would be a disaster.

Good. I am safe in Kansas.

Maybe an EMP would wipe out all records of my student loans! ;)

MM - you aren't losing sleep over this are you?

Thank goodness I had the girls protected before I opened this thread...

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Wow is that you fox? Sorry I had to. I read a book on what if we had pushed the button with russia and it showed stats and graphs and survival rates and like he said new york was :q:q:q:qed and here in the midwest we were better off.

Foxpaws. hurry, the Wall Street Journal needs tin foil also. Should be quite a large order.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121824192073426161.html

Imagine you're a terrorist with a single nuclear weapon. You could wipe out the U.S. city of your choice, or you could decide to destroy the infrastructure of the entire U.S. economy and leave millions of Americans to die of starvation or want of medical care. [snip]

Here's another order for the Heritage group...
http://www.heritage.org/research/homelandsecurity/bg2199.cfm

And more orders for tin foil come rushing in...
http://blog.americancongressfortruth.com/2008/07/29/us-intel-iran-plans-nuclear-strike-on-us-timmerman-reports-on-claremont-institute-meeting/

This ought to garner more tin-foil hat comments...

May be you'll believe the congressional report from 2004...

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:LfsZ8do9kvIJ:www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/congress/2004_r/04-07-22emp.pdf+emp+congressional+report&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

:shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Ya, World Nutcase Daily... shoot the messenger

Congress examines EMP threat
Iran believed to test missiles for attack on U.S. (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69056)

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Posted: July 07, 2008
10:42 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – More than four years after a stunning report about America's vulnerability to a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack was released to Congress, the House Armed Services Committee will hear testimony from the scientist who issued the warning and who believes Iran is pursuing such an option.

William R. Graham, President Reagan's top science adviser and the chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, will update the committee Thursday morning.

Graham warned in 2005 that Iran was not only covertly developing nuclear weapons, but was already testing ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure with the aim of neutralizing the world's lone superpower

Graham said then there was no other plausible explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of electromagnetic pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

Iran would have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile.

The stunning report was first published in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Iran surprised intelligence analysts by describing the mid-flight detonations of missiles fired from ships on the Caspian Sea as "successful" tests. Even primitive Scud missiles could be used for this purpose. And top U.S. intelligence officials reminded members of Congress that there is a glut of these missiles on the world market. They are currently being bought and sold for about $100,000 apiece.

Others agree with Graham's sobering assessment.

"A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere," wrote Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., in the Washington Post in 2005 after reading Graham's report. "No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters – al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels – and make sure to get it a few miles in the air."

The Iranian missile tests were more sophisticated and capable of detonation at higher elevations – making them more dangerous.

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

In 2005, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security chaired by Kyl, held a hearing on the electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, threat.

"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack on the American homeland, said one of the distinguished scientists who testified at the hearing, is one of only a few ways that the United States could be defeated by its enemies – terrorist or otherwise," wrote Kyl "And it is probably the easiest. A single Scud missile, carrying a single nuclear weapon, detonated at the appropriate altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light. Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years."

We have 300 major transformers here in the U.S. that need to be shielded and protected, and not one has been.

Oh, btw, we don't make these transformers here in the U.S. either. They would need to be shipped in and the lead time to make them is over one year.:rolleyes:

keerrrrrr POW!

MM - you aren't losing sleep over this are you?

Thank goodness I had the girls protected before I opened this thread...

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Foxpaws, those look like Comfy earmuffs.. can you send them to me, then send picture of you without the muffs?
(grins)

Good think I live in a solid lead house....

This is also why I have my back up carbed vehicle with a full tank of gas ready to go :D

This is also why I have my back up carbed vehicle with a full tank of gas ready to go :DYou're gonna need it.

Good think?

Frogman, he's doing it again!


guess it's a dang good thing everything I chewed on as a child was painted with lead based paint.

You're gonna need it.

So what are you doing to prepare Mr. Doomsday?

So what are you doing to prepare Mr. Doomsday?I live 3 hours from my cottage up north smack in the middle of the north woods. Have live game everywhere, a storage room built into the side of a hill, plenty of defensive means if needed (only one way in unless you can run the gauntlet of pine trees) and lots of peace and solitude. So my problem will be getting there. I'm looking for a nice used diesel car/truck so I can use my fuel oil tank on the property as it is currently not used.

And the wife is not interested in trying to survive a catastrophy. So it looks like it will be me and boys playing a little "Mad Max". I've always longed for the simpler life. Would do my ADHD a world of good.

hmmmm, so green energy sources are looking pretty good to develop as a matter of national security

This is also why I have my back up carbed vehicle with a full tank of gas ready to go :D

Assuming an EMP goes off, I don't think even more basic electronics would work, like a carbureted car's starting and ignition systems. It would knock out ALL electronics unless they are properly shielded.

It would have to be old enough to have points and condenser. GM hei would not work anymore.

Well I still have my stash from when Israel was going to bomb Iran so I think I am safe.
Come to my house KK I have two mini bikes we can evade the hordes that are after my water and gas stash...you bring the dope to fuel the paranoia ok????

Assuming an EMP goes off, I don't think even more basic electronics would work, like a carbureted car's starting and ignition systems. It would knock out ALL electronics unless they are properly shielded.


I could MAYBE see that happening at the epicenter of a blast.... maybe.

Well I still have my stash from when Israel was going to bomb Iran so I think I am safe.
Come to my house KK I have two mini bikes we can evade the hordes that are after my water and gas stash...you bring the dope to fuel the paranoia ok????

Water??

We have lots of lakes here :D

By electronics in an older car what do you mean there arent any. Maybe the diodes in the alternator would be affected but that would be it if any.

Foxpaws. hurry, the Wall Street Journal needs tin foil also. Should be quite a large order.Don't worry, she has plenty left over. :rolleyes:

Why is considering an EMP attack "tin-foil hat?"
Is worrying about a suitcase nuke, a bio-terror attack, global warming, or even swine flue in tin-foil hat territory too?

I think so... you know why... because you can't do a :q:q:q:qING THING ABOUT IT...

I think so... you know why... because you can't do a :q:q:q:qING THING ABOUT IT...

You sound awfully helpless.

You sound awfully helpless.

If a suitcase nuke goes off next to you what can you do?

If a biological strike happens in a place you are and it kills you what can you do?

If someone does wipe out our power grid what can you do?

Worrying about this :q:q:q:q is right up there with worrying about the weather... it is so out of your control it isn't even funny... and I'm sorry but crying about it on a car forum isn't going to help :q:q:q:q either....

Worrying about this :q:q:q:q is right up there with worrying about the weather... it is so out of your control it isn't even funny... and I'm sorry but crying about it on a car forum isn't going to help :q:q:q:q either....

You can buy an umbrella.
Or watch the weather report and plan accordingly...
In reality, there's quite a lot you can do.

As I said, you sound completely helpless and powerless.
But more importantly, we aren't talking about acts of nature here.

As I said, you sound completely helpless and powerless.

He'll be one of those in the streets begging for pity, mercy and help.

Put your head back in the sand kid. It's way safer not knowing what is going on.

Hahahahaha... from the guy who has no way to get to his oasis hideaway in the woods...

Wow...you guys need to chill...an emp attack is not likely and isnt nearly as bad as you are all making it out to be.

There are Nuclear EMPs and EMPs...all Nuclear weapons give off EMPs and if we are hit by a nuclear one...we have bigger problems. If by some chance someone was able to generate a large enough standard non nuclear EMP above the united states and if everything went perfect with the right burst in the right place it could knock out most of the countries electrical grid and communications...however its not something that will put us in the dark ages or something to lose sleep over.

First off, an EMP blast generally only affects things with large antennas, metal objects, etc, and things that are being operated WHEN the emp blast goes off. Its possible for electronics that are off or unplugged to be affected if close enough to the blast or other objects that were affected but unlikely.

With that said, walkie talkies, radios, etc will still work...use batteries.

You can build a Faraday box (simple metal box that absorbs the EMP...google it) to protect your delicate electronics if its that big of a deal and it works better then shielding the components.

Want to survive the end of the world? Not just from an emp?

Make sure you have a vehicle with a carb, spare batteries for that vehicle (leave it disconnected until you need to use it), tons of fuel (gasoline, oil, etc), generators, guns, food, a small underground shelter or at least dig a hole to keep most of your doomsday stuff stored and you should be pretty much good...until you can go scout the surrounding area and resupply.

I'll also note that an EMP can last longer then a few seconds and the only way to see if its over is to use the electronics again...kind of a catch 22 but if you have some junk you dont care about with some batteries...easy to figure it out if the EMP is over.

I just peed my pants I'm so scared....

How many countries could pull off attacking America with an EMP so large it wipes out the entire country or most of it? Exactly.

The scary answer is - just about all of them.
You don't need to detonate a nuclear weapon in order to build an EMP weapon. Remember the remake of OCEANS 11 with George Clooney? They used an EMP weapon to rob the casino.

And while "wiping out the entire country" with one blast may not be likely, it's also not necessary. Imagine just blowing off one above New York City. Imagine the civil disorder that would result. The data loss. The damages and cost. And the impact it would have on the national economy and the way government would respond to such a thing.

And it would also directly affect other systems and areas outside the immediate range of the "blast."

So it's a real threat.
It shouldn't be dismissed.
to repost the link from 10/2008:
http://www.heritage.org/research/homelandsecurity/bg2199.cfm

While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated.

While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated.

How many countries have the ability to make one nuclear bomb?
The number is very high and growing.
According to Dr. Peter Vincent Pry (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dr+Peter+Vincent+Pry) it would only take one nuclear device at a high enough altitude. A ship born missile could do it.

It's a real threat.
It's something that we should prepare for- be it regional or national.

While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated. I really wish you would research stuff I bring up for a topic before posting your 'expert' opinion. It you did a little of your own research or even attempted to look at the links I provided, you would see that is now increasingly easy to accomplish AND I THINK this is the Number 1 external threat to America, besides the internal threat called President Obama and of course his communist czar appointments.

I really wish you would research stuff I bring up for a topic before posting your 'expert' opinion. It you did a little of your own research or even attempted to look at the links I provided, you would see that is now increasingly easy to accomplish AND I THINK this is the Number 1 external threat to America, besides the internal threat called President Obama and of course his communist czar appointments.

My opinion isn't expert, nor have I ever asserted it was.

The military and intelligence agencies are EMP proofed already, so any country trying to attack America via this manner would expect assured total annihilation form a US retaliation. There lies the safety. They take out our power grids, we turn them into glass. Also of note. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_by_country) Also of note (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines_in_the_United_States_Navy)

That and other countries (yes, even N. Korea and Iran) do like their money; as the past has shown, when America [economically] sneezes the rest of the world gets the flu.

MM - you aren't losing sleep over this are you?

Thank goodness I had the girls protected before I opened this thread...

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Foxpaws please tell me that the pic is of you. ;)

That and other countries (yes, even N. Korea and Iran) do like their money; as the past has shown, when America [economically] sneezes the rest of the world gets the flu.
You know I like you. I've always liked you even though we've never met. Hell, I don't even know what you look like but it doesn't matter.

What you don't understand... what I can't believe you don't understand...is............

Our enemy is a sect of people that take the Japanese kamikaze to a whole new level.

They fervently believe that if they die for the honor of Islam, they will be rewarded in heaven with 70 virgins.

Do you understand that? They don't value life and liberty like we do.

They don't give two-shiits if they die as long as they take one of us along with them.

Israel understands this and will attack in the next six months to prevent Israel's extermination.

I typed this with a heavy heart. I am pretty disappointed with you NOT understanding our adversaries and the dangers that lie ahead. And my feelings includes Obama, who I feel is the greatest threat to our liberty this Country has ever faced. Just being honest.

Flame away. I don't give a crap.:(

You know I like you. I've always liked you even though we've never met. Hell, I don't even know what you look like but it doesn't matter.

What you don't understand... what I can't believe you don't understand...is............

Our enemy is a sect of people that take the Japanese kamikaze to a whole new level.

They fervently believe that if they die for the honor of Islam, they will be rewarded in heaven with 70 virgins.

Do you understand that? They don't value life and liberty like we do.

They don't give two-shiits if they die as long as they take one of us along with them.

Israel understands this and will attack in the next six months to prevent Israel's extermination.

I typed this with a heavy heart. I am pretty disappointed with you NOT understanding our adversaries and the dangers that lie ahead. And my feelings includes Obama, who I feel is the greatest threat to our liberty this Country has ever faced. Just being honest.

Flame away. I don't give a crap.:(

I like you too; I sincerely mean that. Though this last year or so of you going deeper into the deep end is troubling.

I'm ware of the extreme groups/factions that have no problem brainwashing a bunch of idiots into strapping on explosives and running into schools because God apparently commands it; those groups aren't going to pull off some massive EMP attack from the stratosphere that will collapse the US.

Ahmedinejad is a viscous ranter and the Ayatollahs that pull his strings are rabid religious loons, but they like living, they love wealth and they feverishly enjoy being in power/controlling the masses of their country. So in the pursuit of those three things, they're not going to pull a maneuver that will net them certain death.

Kim Jong-Il does too; he comes off as exceptionally crazy though and if his health starts to wane, they there's no telling what he'll do. But China in its best [financial] interest will likely keep him in check. He's a bit of a wild-card though with the resources of a country. So I'd worry about him more, than I would Iran.

This is why I don't worry about a massive EMP attack, namely the greed of others. I'd worry more about another 9/11 level of attack or suitcase-sized nuke going off in a large city.

I don't flame you in a malicious way, you know that.

You don't have to have the ability to make a nuke to use one, all you have to do is OWN one. The former Soviet Union had a lot of trouble in the 90s with nukes in satellite countries disappearing, i.e. being sold for cash by rogue scientists and such.

There are a lot of unaccounted-for nukes floating around somewhere.

There are a lot of unaccounted-for nukes floating around somewhere.
there's alot of over accounted for things as well. with the soviet system being what it was, there's a high probability they never existed at all. kinda like the cement powder in crumbling buildings.
i'm sure any rogue nation would have used it by now if they had it.