I know that HID's are a big thing with the 1st gen people. I was searching Ebay for a new HID kit and saw the LED bulbs for sale on there... I'm thinking of getting them for my high beams

Anyone use them yet?

I thought about it but after I put in the new HID conversion, I have no need for high beam anymore. I did see what you're speaking of though.

I'm gonna get a set. The funny part is, I dont like the blue-like look of the 6000k HID's so I ordered a 5000K set after my bulb burned out at the track friday night... and these LED bulbs only come in 6000K, LOL

LED and HID are two different things. Being they are LED 6000K, you should not see any blue at all. I can't say that they'll match the brightness of the HID because I have never seen any installed.

When you're dealing with HID's, the higher the number, the more color (kelvin) that comes into play. 4300K, plain white, 6000K, more white than blue, especially from the inside. 10,000K has a blue look from the outside and more of a white bright light with just a hint of blue from the inside. I have the 10,000K in mine and have been inside others with 4300 and 6000 and can see a difference from what I have mainly from the outside. I wouldn't worry about getting the 6000K LED's and having them look blue. They should shine white.

HID kelvin chart below.

http://www.poweredbygt.com/HID_files/colortemp.jpg

What problems can be encountered when switching to ALL led in the Mark? I want to do this after seeing the Guys next doord 66 Chevelle with ALL led's. Looks amazing!!

I remember there being some kind of lamp errors?

I'll just snip the high beam "headlight out" message on the box under the dash...

I think this was discussed once before. I can't see these bulbs having enough light output to be effective as headlights.

any bulb you put in there, regardless of the source of the light itself is going to depend on the reflective surfaces inside the housing.

I could be wrong but I dont think the LED bulb will solve the first gen headlight dilemma.

First main question would the LED headlights be brighter than the original Gen 1 headlights.

Also What about temp? Will the LEDs brun off the refective backing like the Halogens?

I have a fairly new set of Gen 1 housings only 2 years old. I've been thinking of doing an HID conversion as the HIDs I've heard run cooler than the Halogens.

Next if the LED's are somewhere in between the Halogens and HIDs for brightness, the LEDs are cooler than both, and the Price is cheaper than the HIDs, I'd like to try them.

Haven't tried the LED headlights. But I do have LED turn signals. And they work great. The only problem is that they draw so little power that the computer thinks there's a light out and the "check exterior lamps" warning comes on every time I press the brake pedal. I'm going to snip that wire someday because it is sort of annoying.

At this point any eBay LED sets will be too dim for practical use. Search the forums, everyone says the same thing. They are neat, but not bright.

Didn't think they would be. I tried some LED's in my kitchen to replace the halogens in my track lights that keep burning out. And they were way dim and didn't put out very much light. I figure LED headlights will be the same way. LED's just don't produce enough light to be priactical as headlights. Driving lights, turn signals, sure. But not headlights.

I've been thinking of doing an HID conversion as the HIDs I've heard run cooler than the Halogens.

I dont think that is true.
I've had alot of experience with HID lights in non automotive applications.
and the "heat load" on a room is substantial...when using wattages between 400W and 1K.

My hids are cooler than the halogens in the gen 1 housing we compaired sierra3's with my gen 1 which has hid and mine where cooler

The amperage load from LED headlights would be minimal.

I'd love a set if they actually WORK!

My hids are cooler than the halogens in the gen 1 housing we compaired sierra3's with my gen 1 which has hid and mine where cooler

We already know that HID's run cooler than halogens. What we're wondering is if the LED's are bright enough to make for a good headlight.

If they are using the same LED's that the cops have in their top rack lights, they should be bright enough because they have I think what's called GEN 3 LED's and then you have regular LED. I know the light bar they use is not cheap at all because of it's low profile and the LED type that is used. I have looked inside a HPD's light bar before and looking at each of his LED's, it doesn't look like they used the same size on the bulb made for our car.

http://i.ebayimg.com/15/%21B%2842iO%21Bmk%7E$%28KGrHgoH-DgEjlLlgJ6SBKem4T2qgg%7E%7E_12.JPG

You can see the difference with each LED pod from the pic above and the pic below which claim to be gen 3 but they still don't look as big as the cops low profile light bars. Get close to one and look through the lens and you'll see what I'm talking about. Neither of these lights above or below are true GEN 3's but I'm also not saying that what's being offered on ebay will not work for a headlight. Just a little pricey for a test!

http://nolimit08.fileave.com/155_6.jpg

I dont think that is true.
I've had alot of experience with HID lights in non automotive applications.
and the "heat load" on a room is substantial...when using wattages between 400W and 1K.

Standard automotive HID bulbs run at 35W.

I dont know about headlights but I swapped all my markers, turning signals, break lamps, etc with leds. It looks great, along with elimintating a lot of heat and power consumption. It does trip the lamp out module and im not sure if my check exterior lamps message is from my LEDs or my HID Highbeams because i dont know which wire controls the hi beams.

LEDs put out a lot of lumens and with a good quality bulb can put out as much or even more light than HIDS.

Just re-finish the inside of the lens and use a 55w hid kit in the highbeam socket. Problem solved. For me at least.

Where can you buy these?

Where can you buy these?

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=LED+9005&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=LED+Mark+VIII+Headlights&_osacat=0

If you try them, please post a pic of the actual beam. No seller yet has shown a pic of the beam that comes from these. Apparently there is a reason.

Did find the before and after pic but still no beam pattern. LED is on the right, halogen on the left.

http://nolimit08.fileave.com/Halogen%20and%20LED.jpg

No seller yet has shown a pic of the beam that comes from these. Apparently there is a reason

I agree.

I think the only way to really achieve the light one would want is to modify our housing with a few 5W led and reflectors. I have a Gen 1 so i think 10 per side in the high beams should work. Heat from these are going to be the main issue. :rolleyes:

I agree.

I think the only way to really achieve the light one would want is to modify our housing with a few 5W led and reflectors. I have a Gen 1 so i think 10 per side in the high beams should work. Heat from these are going to be the main issue. :rolleyes:


LED's = less heat than HID and especially halogen but IMO, HID is the way to go. Not enough lumens in an 18 diode light fixture and even in the 68 diode fixture, they're smaller diodes that probably equal to what the 18's are putting out. They might look good and clean but I would have to see a true beam from them before I bought!

LED's = less heat than HID and especially halogen but IMO, HID is the way to go. Not enough lumens in an 18 diode light fixture and even in the 68 diode fixture, they're smaller diodes that probably equal to what the 18's are putting out. They might look good and clean but I would have to see a true beam from them before I bought!

Here is some images of cyclist are using lights on there bikes and helmets for night riding. As for the heat, looks to be a trial by error DIY ;)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6jMzvOXS8Fs/SoOXwXP8wCI/AAAAAAAABAM/lF4Pc2xVgiA/s400/IMG_2001.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6jMzvOXS8Fs/SoOXwYh_C6I/AAAAAAAABAI/sLT9Ykks8PM/s400/4_TripleCreeXR_E.jpg

The one problem area I see is what will happen with the light once it is projected through the stock housing lens.

The one problem area I see is what will happen with the light once it is projected through the stock housing lens.

It's either going to make for a good beam or it's not but the question it, how much will reflect off of our housings? That is needed for a proper beam.

My thoughts are to not use our housing to reflect the light. Just aim each individual light forward, these have there own house per led and use there own lens.

Well I just got a set of the LEDs and I'm going to see how they work ... Got them today ... will have to wait until it gets dark to see how they work ...

Well post later ...

HAHA! SUCKER! :P lol

HAHA! SUCKER! :P lol


lol :D

Just want to see what happens ...

Well FYI LED headlights don't work ... good thing I got this set for free....

Thank you for clearing that up for us, free of charge! If they were what they claimed, they would proudly show the beam that they produced but I could never find any of them that could show this. Is it possible for you to slap them back in and show us what they looked like at least? I'm curious to know if they even had a beam at all. I would estimate maybe a 10 to 20 ft. of blurry looking light in front of the car.

In other words, while setting in the car, seeing nothing really more than two small fog lights would put out.

Thank you for clearing that up for us, free of charge! If they were what they claimed, they would proudly show the beam that they produced but I could never find any of them that could show this. Is it possible for you to slap them back in and show us what they looked like at least? I'm curious to know if they even had a beam at all. I would estimate maybe a 10 to 20 ft. of blurry looking light in front of the car.

In other words, while setting in the car, seeing nothing really more than two small fog lights would put out.

Ummm lets put it this way ... I have a 2 year old set of housings. With the LEDs in it the lighting was worse than the old $hitty set that I had replaced.

You can not see ... No beam ... No I tried these in my Low beam position hoping that the cooler temp of the LED lights would save the reflective backing of my housings. It is suggested that the LEDs be used as High Beams ... I'm going to try them there tonight just to take a look ... They do have a cool look when on but they don't project enough light.

If you have a chance and don't mind, snap us a pic of the looks? I would just like to see what they look like when on.

I'll try tonight.

Well this is what they look like.

any bulb you put in there, regardless of the source of the light itself is going to depend on the reflective surfaces inside the housing.

I could be wrong but I dont think the LED bulb will solve the first gen headlight dilemma.

Not a huge surprise, but you are 100% correct, Tommy. This little tidbit often gets lost among GenI rookies that see dim headlights and assume HID conversions will solve the problem. Unfortunately in a housing with no reflective surface, or very little, one could install miniature Suns in there and it still wouldn't generate sufficient light output.

Also, fancy seeing you pop up over in my neck of the woods. Thanks for your input in that chip/tune thread.

huh well that answers it.... They LOOK like they have good output, but that's moot if it doesn't make things visible down the road.

The housings I'm using are only 2 years old. Car isn't driven a night that much so not enough time to degrade the reflective surface. Also with Halogens in it I have a nice halogen beam which allows me to see good not HID good but halogen good, not like my other Mark VIIIs. I was hoping that the LEDs bening a cooler bulb would prolong the life if the reflective material in my housings.

The LEDs give little beam to no beam and really suck when you are around street lights. On the Hwy ... better hope nothing is in the road as you will not see it.

Thanks for the pics. I didn't think they would beam very good. They may look good staring at them but looking good isn't going to help you see. I'll stick with the HID's. Mine also doesn't get driven at night much and the housings are crystal clear. Mine are about 4 years old. Being in the garage for the most part and not driving at night very often has kept them this way.If I do drive at night, I never even worry about bulb heat because the HID's hardly put out any at all. Nothing but super bright light.

Staring at them, they look blue but when behind the wheel, the light really looks more white. Hard to explain.

http://nolimit08.fileave.com/Lights%20002.jpg

http://nolimit08.fileave.com/Lights%20001.jpg

I went ahead and bought a new set of HID's before I found these LED bulbs... I'm glad I did. I bought the 5000k set instead of the 6000k like I did last time. I am much happier with them. Plus having a set of housings that can actually be adjusted was worth every penny I paid for them... Now I just gotta rechrome them one day...

According to the package the LEDs are suggested as Hi-beam lights.

So after trying them in the Low Beams I tried them in the Hi-Beam ...

Wow what $hit. Low beam halogen much brighter than the LED in hi-beam.

So don't waste any money on these LED headlights .. they suck...

According to the package the LEDs are suggested as Hi-beam lights.

So after trying them in the Low Beams I tried them in the Hi-Beam ...

Wow what $hit. Low beam halogen much brighter than the LED in hi-beam.

So don't waste any money on these LED headlights .. they suck...


lol, I doubt they'll last very long on ebay after feedback ratings start dropping for the sellers.