Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has talked to Rob (ILLS). I've had a issue with my tune, and have been trying to contact him for a little over 2 weeks now. Anyone hear from him at all?

never seen him and I wanted to get a tune later this month too :'(

Ills, Hey Ills, Are You Here. Iiiilllllss Answer Me Damnit. Lol

lol... it's not SUPER important, since I just set my car back to stock, and the issue went away. But driving with a stock tune sucks when I should have a working tune installed.

Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has talked to Rob (ILLS). I've had a issue with my tune, and have been trying to contact him for a little over 2 weeks now. Anyone hear from him at all?

He's been "missing" for longer than 2 weeks.

ILLS
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Last Activity: April 29th, 2009 09:34 PM


now I'm not saying he's gone "missing" but I haven't seen him

You may have done this already but PM him and it should send him an email?

I email him directly. I checked his profile on here, and didn't send him a pm since he hasn't been on lvc in quite some time.

I just figured that quite a few on here have tunes from him, and maybe they have been in contact with him.

He's been "missing" for longer than 2 weeks.

ILLS
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Last Activity: April 29th, 2009 09:34 PM


now I'm not saying he's gone "missing" but I haven't seen him

yes, I understand that. I checked before I tried to contact him. I did not send him a private message. I emailed him directly.

from his website: Phone: (312)-493-0044

maybe he got laid off, his house foreclosed, has no job and it on the streets somewhere?

doh. forgot to look at his damn website. Man I feel dumb.

Just called and left a message.

The thing is though, he was in the course of moving when I got the tune. Hopefully he has updated his website to reflect the new number of his new place. The voicemail I got was just an automated one, so hopefully it got to the right person.

HAHAHA Pete, you so funny, you funny long time :P

Hmm, it has been a while since ILLS has been around. Maybe he went off the deep end, changed his name to PetesSweets86, and has been terrorizing the boards ever since :D

I suppose that could be... Maybe if he huffed WAY too much gas.

That's weird, try checking the Pontiac boards.

he's a Po Po now :P

he hasn't emailed me back from this forum and i emailed about buying a tunner from him. I guess it's just that he hasn't been on here because i emailed him from his website and he replied and he has been emailing me about the sct i bought from him. Last email was about a week ago

I emailed him at the same email address listed on his website.

Hyelife, I just went to the g8 board to check for him, couldn't find ILLS, kbxperformance, or anything. Until I searched for STS Turbo. Then the threads that came up all had responses by him in it. I had to register on the site to send him a pm, so I did. Thanks for the suggestion!

lol....he's a traitor

Maybe IILS is ILL'N?

Hyelife, I just went to the g8 board to check for him, couldn't find ILLS, kbxperformance, or anything. Until I searched for STS Turbo. Then the threads that came up all had responses by him in it. I had to register on the site to send him a pm, so I did. Thanks for the suggestion!

Sure man, so did he get back to you?

nah, not yet. But at least it's a place that he's visited in the last week, so hopefully that one will get responded to. Otherwise that tune $$ is down the drain, and I have to buy tunes from Torrie.

Well at least we know that he is alive.

I was waiting on an e-mail from him too. Pektel I'm sending you a PM about something else tho...

Well at least we know that he is alive.
I was thinking maybe he crossed Frogman...

nah, not yet. But at least it's a place that he's visited in the last week, so hopefully that one will get responded to. Otherwise that tune $$ is down the drain, and I have to buy tunes from Torrie.

glad he's not in the slammer!

I was going to buy from him a SCT at the end of the month :(

I just received the tunes for the sct for my ls. He emailed me today. I cant wait to load them up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So is he coming back. Was gonna buy one from him around the 28th :'(

I still havent heard back about my issue. Sounds like he is intentionally avoiding me, and purposely not responding to my communication attempts.

Alax7, hopefully everything is perfect as of right now. Because come a few months from now, don't expect any type of support from him.

I still havent heard back about my issue. Sounds like he is intentionally avoiding me, and purposely not responding to my communication attempts.



I know your disappointed in the service you received, but you really should consider something.
ILLS has written tunes for MANY Lincoln LS'.

It's very doubtful the tune file he sent to you is "very different" from all the other tunes he's written.

Chances are you're dealing with a fuel delivery issue, and it's not a problem WITH the actual tune file.

Granted this is no excuse for ignoring you, but I see this alot with various tuners and various cars. 99% of them are no issue.
Then there is ONE that "rears it's ugly head" and has problems.
Does that mean there is a problem with the tune?
99% of the time, no.

In order for a car to properly respond to a performance tune it has to be in proper working order.
Something simple like a weak fuel pump can cause EXACTLY what you describe.

If the tuner feels the customer is resistant to troubleshooting the problem, which MIGHT MEAN spending a significant amount of money to find and fix the problem. Then he might have decided that he's already talked to you enough to make any further troubleshooting a "loss".

SCT dealers make right at 100.00 selling a tune file on an Xcal.
the cost of the Xcal is double what they make.
They literally have to spend 200.00 to make 100.00

If they spend one hour talking to the customer either "presale or post sale"
then they have made ZERO dollars.

Based on your replys to the suggestions people gave you in the "detonation" thread, I can see why {not justify why} but UNDERSTAND why ILLS may be reluctant to deal with this issue.


If I were you, if your car has between 75,000 and 150,000 miles I would replace the fuel pump.

I know you dont want to hear ANY of this, but... atleast I am not ignoring you and have given you a possible solution for your issue.

AND.. I have made exactly ZERO dollars off of you for my efforts.

So keep that in mind before you rip me a new azz because the things I said are "not what you want to hear".

Tuning cars is not an exact science, cookie cutter mail order tunes work for the vast majority of people.
THEN there is that slim minority that myself is included in where a mail order tune simply wont fit the bill due to both personal perferences and differences between cars.

SOooo I did the right thing and got the software and put my own destiny into my own hands.
You may be at that same cross roads.

If you aren't getting the level of support you feel you deserve, then FIX the problem, get the software and do it yourself.

In the amount of time you've been "waiting" you could have probably "done it yourself" and gone on with life.

^ that was the same scenario I faced, lack of timely and adequate support.

If the tuner feels the customer is resistant to troubleshooting the problem, which MIGHT MEAN spending a significant amount of money to find and fix the problem. Then he might have decided that he's already talked to you enough to make any further troubleshooting a "loss".

But he's gotta talk to you first... :o

it is surprizing considering his past 'rants' on his view of proper customer service and professionalizm. There may be something else going on... in life, work, ...etc. He's had the G8 for a while now and it doesn't look to be modded yet.

XLRVIII:

You know, I do not feel I am asking for much. But, he has not given me a starting point as to where to even start troubleshooting. All I've gotten is recommendations from other members here. Which, granted, are much appreciated, but I figured at least his response/input is deserved. It's not like I keep bugging him after he has talked to me. He hasn't given a single response.

I don't expect him to waste a lot of time on me, as I understand it is a tiny amount of money in the modification world. But I would at least like to hear his opinion. And that's all I've asked for from him. I am not asking even for a phone call, just a couple minutes to type up an email.

Quik:

This is exactly the reason I've been very patient with him. He really preached customer service, so when he did not respond, I assumed there were other issues or something that prevented him from assisting me with my issue. But then I see he's emailing another member here for tunes within the last week (Alax7).

So, all is not lost. I still hope he tries to give me a suggestion or 2, or maybe review the tunefile to see if there's a discrepancy or something.

But he's gotta talk to you first... :o

Exactly.

But he's gotta talk to you first... :o

Not really, if you saw how resistant he was to just "pull a couple of degree's of timing" you'd understand.

It was probably 2 weeks from when it was suggested, until he actually "did something" other than piss and moan on the internet.

I understand his frustration, but.... I also see why a tuner might add him to his ignore list as well.

Granted the customer SHOULD have gotten more support, but many times, more often than not..THAT is the issue with tuners, getting "support after the sale".

And if you walk in with the premise that "their tune file IS the problem" and there is NO PROBLEM with your car, you aren't gonna get very far.

Lessee... an experienced tuner, writes a tune for a car that he's probably tuned 100's of them.. and ONE car doesnt "act right".

The customer goes on the internet and starts pissing and moaning.. and the tuner ignores him..that is NOT uncommon at all.

Which is why I say "tune it yourself" and then you only have "yourself" to blame with your issues.

If you cannot or will not do it yourself, then EXPECT to have something "not go right"..that is just how it is.

it is surprizing considering his past 'rants' on his view of proper customer service and professionalizm. There may be something else going on... in life, work, ...etc. He's had the G8 for a while now and it doesn't look to be modded yet.

+1.
I agree, but am holding out any form of "judgement".

alot happens in life, and I for one am not gonna roll ILLS "under the bus" because of One problem with ONE customer who doesnt feel he got "enough attention".

With that said, this exact scenario is WHY I got the stuff to do it myself.

I'm too having a problem with my tune. It pings when I step on the gas very lightly and then it will stop after 1-2 seconds. Been running 92 octane in it since day 1. A friend of mine suggested that I go out to the airport and out in 5 gallons of 103 octane and see if that helps the ping??

So, all is not lost. I still hope he tries to give me a suggestion or 2, or maybe review the tunefile to see if there's a discrepancy or something.



Suggestion, Replace your fuel pump if your car is within the mileage window I posted above...that is good information, not to be ignored.
AND is probably the exact area ILLS is gonna send you when and IF you get ahold of him.


and "again" it's very unlikely there is a "problem or descrepency" with a tune file that ILLS is very very experienced with..... "that" is the exact mindset that will get you "no attention" from an experienced tuner.

I'm too having a problem with my tune. It pings when I step on the gas very lightly and then it will stop after 1-2 seconds. Been running 92 octane in it since day 1. A friend of mine suggested that I go out to the airport and out in 5 gallons of 103 octane and see if that helps the ping??

Id go into the Xcal and pull 2 degrees of timing.
I wouldn't put higher octane gas in there as a band aid.

If you dont want to pull 2 degree's of timing I would then add 10% fuel in the area of "detonation"....

Now, I did not ask him to review the file. I just listed the issues I was experiencing. I also did let him know that the issue did go away when I loaded the stock tune.

I am not ignoring the fuel pump recommendation. I appreciate your input as well.

XLRVIII, do you think that fuel delivery would be an issue even though the issue was resolved when the vehicle was returned to stock tune?

There was a girl in highschool that I really wanted to talk to.
She ignore me...
I wasted alot of time trying to get her attention, but in the end decided that "IF she ignored me" then "she didn't deserve" my attention...and I moved on.

you can sit here and wait, and hope and pray, or you can "go find another".

IF my car was detonating, and the tuner ignored me..I wouldn't wait "another week" and possibly damage my car.

I would MAN UP, accept responsibilty and solve the issue.

I cant say WHY, or WHERE he is.. but at this point is it in your best interest to further pursue this?
Seriously, it's "been how long"????

MOVE ON, he broke up with you and you just didn't get a "dear john" letter.

TRY using some of the advice people are willing to give you, rather than holding out for advice that you may or may not get.

believe me, I understand where you are coming from
I spent a grand on mailorder chips before I "took my destiny into my own hands".

XLRVIII, do you think that fuel delivery would be an issue even though the issue was resolved when the vehicle was returned to stock tune?

Absolutely!

that is an excuse many people use to blame the tune itself, when they dont really understand the process and what occurs.

A car with a PIG RICH stock fuel table will not detonate.
Once the fuel table is leaned out to a performance level the car WILL detonate IF the fuel system isn't keeping up.

If you command 10/1 AF stock, and the fuel system is weak the car will/could deliver a 12/1AF instead of 10..
The car runs great because of this.

BUT... if you command a 12/1 AF and the car has the same TWO FULL POINTS of AF "variance".. then the car has issues because it's NOW running at 14/1 AF and PINGS or detonates.

it's called the "variance" between "commanded and delivered" A/F ratio.
it's a common occurance once the fuel pump begins to "give up".

this is where tuners and customers often have problems.

Tuner sends performance file, car detonates
Customer returns to stock..detonation dissapears
Customer blames tune/tuner.
Tuner who isn't required to educate the customer doesnt respond.


I had the exact same problem, with a chip car pings
without a chip it ran GREAT!

problem WAS the fuel pump, so I'm speaking from personal experience with an issue that I had..
same deal...
and I was WRONG for blaming the tuner, but that was almost 10 years ago.

There was a girl in highschool that I really wanted to talk to.
She ignore me...
I wasted alot of time trying to get her attention, but in the end decided that "IF she ignored me" then "she didn't deserve" my attention...and I moved on.

Not me, I hid in the bushes outside her house one night. She is now in a freezer in my basement and never ignores my advances. :shifty:

Not me, I hid in the bushes outside her house one night. She is now in a freezer in my basement and never ignores my advances. :shifty:

(alice cooper voice)
in my eyes, blood drops look like roses on white lace.... they dont wash away!

YouTube - Alice Cooper-Roses On White Lace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJN_OCzphQ)

Thanks for the clarification. I'll look into replacement.

Or maybe changing the AF ratio in the tuning device? I don't remember whether or not I'm able to change that in the end user settings.

All this trouble is persuading me to consider a dyno tune for my car (if anyone around here could even do that)....but I am unsure what price brachet those run in :P

Thanks for the clarification. I'll look into replacement.

Or maybe changing the AF ratio in the tuning device? I don't remember whether or not I'm able to change that in the end user settings.

If you have the ability, then it's IN there.. but it's "not the best way" to make it happen.. but would be good for a "test".

All this trouble is persuading me to consider a dyno tune for my car (if anyone around here could even do that)....but I am unsure what price brachet those run in :P


they aren't cheap.. roughly $100 per hour.

but you generally dont run into these problems.. or these problems are discovered and recitified ON the dyno.

plus I'm not good at replacing a fuel pump or the other possible problems I've heard occur. I just want more torque and hp and thought the SCT with ILLS tunes would be the answer

It still is a good option. I just didn't know how to go about resolving the issue, and I was a little bull-headed in the beginning, because I was afraid of messing with the timing. I was afraid I'd mess up my car, because I've never messed with timing or anything before.

It still is a good option. I just didn't know how to go about resolving the issue, and I was a little bull-headed in the beginning, because I was afraid of messing with the timing. I was afraid I'd mess up my car, because I've never messed with timing or anything before.

well anything you do to address this issue will be light years ahead of not doing anything.

I'd be more afraid of hurting the car by taking no action.

pulling some spark or adding some fuel will be "good things", especially IF they help get to the bottom of the problem.

we'll talk further I'm sure.. I PM'd you my cell # give me a call at your convenience and I'll see if I cant make your head explode with a data overload!
haha

Hey XLRVIII what can I do to change the timing on the xcal? I didn't know you could change the timing on it from the device, thought you needed the software. Just PM me with the answers - Thanks

Frasch, you can change the parameters right before you load the tune.

It should prompt you to change them. It will ask about changing or modifying the parameters. Scroll through them to the timing selection. Specifically, it says "spark timing". Mine does not have a global change, I have to change it in the different RPM ranges (0-2000,2000-4000,4000-8000 IIRC)

If you have a similar issue as mine, it COULD be the timing. click back -2 degrees in each RPM range to see if that's your issue.

That was the information I was given a few times before I tried it. Turns out that was not the issue with mine, but now I'm on the right track to getting it resolved.

Ok thanks Pete after I sent that last reply I thought you could change it on the xcal in that spot - thanks!!

Sure thing. It's pretty much the only thing concerning this that I have knowledge about.

The LS is the first car I've messed with performance-wise, so I'm still really green.

Sure thing. It's pretty much the only thing concerning this that I have knowledge about.

The LS is the first car I've messed with performance-wise, so I'm still really green.

I'm greener than you! :P

btw pete what make and model was your differencial and did it make the HP and/or TQ much more crisp in acceleration? I was thinking, is so, I should put in a differential like yours then get a dyno tune since I know there's plenty of pieces to the LS holding it back from true performance :-D

I'm really nowhere near where traction because of an excess of hp is an issue. It was more for winter traction, and to whip proper donuts :D

IIRC, the LSD I have is from an 05 Mustang GT. Although, any 8.8", 28 spline carrier will work, as long as you reuse your stock ring gear and pinion.

If you are looking for more acceleration, you'll have to do a lot more work to gear up like Jason did (02LSE96LSCetcetc....). He's got 4.10's and a trac-loc, but he moved up to an 8.8" pumpkin, and needed to fabricate custom mounting brackets, and a custom driveshaft.

Yeah, the main being a tiny ass 3.9 V8.

gotchya, Pete

Hey XLRVIII what can I do to change the timing on the xcal? I didn't know you could change the timing on it from the device, thought you needed the software. Just PM me with the answers - Thanks

If the SCT dealer didn't enable those options, then you cant.

It's in the custom program screen when you select the tune.
IF they are enabled the Xcal should prompt you to "adjust additional options" or some verbage along those lines.

then it'll take you thru three or 5 screens of available options.
you can adjust spark from 0-2000/2000-4000/4000 and up
and also add or subtract 10% fuel from the tune..and some other options..

but.. the dealer would have had to "grant you" the option to do this.

Ya it was a ILLS tune so I can change everything on the tune I believe. Thanks for the info

Well, I finally got a good answer about ILLS...

His main career is not KBX, he's in the Navy. He had also moved right around the time I got my tune. Since moving, he's been busier than ever.

I still have not heard back from him, just got an update on why I haven't yet.

But about my issue, it was fuel delivery. I added 10% into the AF mixture at WOT (thanks, xlrviii), and the rattle is gone. But that means that my fuel pump is probably on the way out.

Going to order a Ford GT pump to replace it with, so I shouldn't have fuel delivery problems later on (at least from the pump) :D

before you buy the GT-Pump....

look here - > http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/

you can just upgrade the pump itself. this site is great because you can order any offset, pickup size, sock, ...etc. even the plastic hose - which is very hard to find...

yeah i second that. you want a sock that fits in the basket right. I got the GT pump and got sick of it sucking air (one portion of it has to sit verticle) from the top of the basket so I completely removed the sock. This of course only happens when sucking down 50% more fuel on top of stock requirements. If the pump dies from picking up sediment, so be it but the tank was clean when I was in there. The filter will protect the engine and I can get an appropriately socked pump as Quik mentioned should problems arise.
If you don't plan on a power adder, just slap a replacement in and be done.

Hey Quik, how do I go about upgrading the current one? I have no idea when it comes to this, as I've never upgraded a fuel system before.
The other thing I'm wondering is, with 140K miles, maybe it's just time to replace the pump. I don't want to upgrade someting that may be on it's way out.

yeah i second that. you want a sock that fits in the basket right. I got the GT pump and got sick of it sucking air (one portion of it has to sit verticle) from the top of the basket so I completely removed the sock. This of course only happens when sucking down 50% more fuel on top of stock requirements. If the pump dies from picking up sediment, so be it but the tank was clean when I was in there. The filter will protect the engine and I can get an appropriately socked pump as Quik mentioned should problems arise.
If you don't plan on a power adder, just slap a replacement in and be done.

I plan on more power. so no stock replacement.

Hey Quik, how do I go about upgrading the current one? I have no idea when it comes to this, as I've never upgraded a fuel system before.
The other thing I'm wondering is, with 140K miles, maybe it's just time to replace the pump. I don't want to upgrade someting that may be on it's way out.

sure - that's very normal. You calculate your fuel needs, then size your pump.

My point in the previous post was - once you know what your needs are - you can get it from these guys better, cheaper.

I have an excel spreadsheet that I created to help you size injectors, fuel pump, supercharger pulley, ..... I'll send it to you if it will help.

would it be safe to say 50% more flow plus a 15% safety margin should be ample for an engine with stock rods, pistons and crank?

my stock pump ran at 90% duty cycle with the 100 shot. Pektel, you should datalog with your xcal to see where your duty cycle is at. It sounds like spark timing could be too advanced. I'm not a pro by any means but 10% richer seems like a lot. You may foul your plugs soon (still better than pinging). And if it made a difference (it did deliver more fuel when you asked it to), your pump is probably okay.

go back to stock and log some runs and also look at knock sensor values and then re-run with your tune and see if they look a lot different. I'm still unclear as to what their value is referring to, but i was looking for changes.

that'd be great. Thing is, I just want to put something in that will handle up to a moderate FI or nitrous setup, so I wont' have to change it again. I'm not changing injectors or anything yet. So I will be basing it on potential future needs.

I'll pm you my email address.

Thanks!

But about my issue, it was fuel delivery. I added 10% into the AF mixture at WOT (thanks, xlrviii), and the rattle is gone. But that means that my fuel pump is probably on the way out.

How did you discover this was the problem?

The tune ILLS gave me won't let me add more fuel. Weak!

How did you discover this was the problem?

The tune ILLS gave me won't let me add more fuel. Weak!

Because someone who didn't make a THIN DIME off of him "stepped up" and tried to help.

how's that for "support with NO SALE".
HAHA

Through some talks with XLRVIII. He had the same issue on a different car. The only change I was able to make was the AF WOT ratio. I added in 10%.

You probably won't be able to add in any fuel anywhere else, as that's not safe to leave in the hands of us non-tuners.

Because someone who didn't make a THIN DIME off of him "stepped up" and tried to help.

how's that for "support with NO SALE".
HAHA

Thanks again, Tommy. Much appreciated.

Honestly Pete, I just guessed... your the one that took action and fixed it.

what do I know, I'm just an idiot with no cold air intake
LMAO

Because someone who didn't make a THIN DIME off of him "stepped up" and tried to help.

how's that for "support with NO SALE".
HAHA

Can you adjust my tune with no sale too? :P

Can you adjust my tune with no sale too? :P

I cant adjust nor sell you anything.

from what you said, your device doesn't have "User adjustable Options" enabled.

I only suggested something for him to change

you might need to change your tuner if you cant get the support you seek.

^no disrespect to the tuner in question.

I dont know the whole story, hell I dont know ANY of the story other than pektel's car was pinging.

I like ILLS, and hope everything is ok with him.

The tune ILLS gave me won't let me add more fuel. Weak!

Are you absolutely certian of this?

I'm not that familiar with the X3's, so I cant spoonfeed you how to make it happen.

You've explored all the options available before and just prior to tuning the car?

On the X-2's the user adjustable options doesnt appear until after you've selected the tune file you want to flash to the car.

At first glance one MIGHT cancel out of that screen to continue, but as I said I'm not that familiar with the X3's

I cant adjust nor sell you anything.

Yeah I know man, I was just josin'. It would be sweet tho :p

Are you absolutely certian of this?

I'm not that familiar with the X3's, so I cant spoonfeed you how to make it happen.

You've explored all the options available before and just prior to tuning the car?

On the X-2's the user adjustable options doesnt appear until after you've selected the tune file you want to flash to the car.

At first glance one MIGHT cancel out of that screen to continue, but as I said I'm not that familiar with the X3's

Yeah, positive. When we were having these problems initially, I went through all my settings looking for something I could adjust. The only WOT settings I can tweak is the shift presence. If Rob never gets back to me I definitely have to have someone else modify my junk.

From what I understand, the tuner has to enable these options for me to edit. Thanks for tryin to help!

well there could be other differences.

Like year model.

If petes car is older than yours, and maybe yours is ETC {hell I dunno)
I know there are various hoops you can and cant jump thru depending on model your.

You should be able to dump someone elses file onto that device, without affecting the tune from ILLS.

I know it's not a "free internet solution" but would show some "due diligence" on the end users part.

If you look around you can find em for around a hunner'd bucks.
If it were me it's worth a 100.00 to not have that issue, or to help determine IF there's an issue with the car itself (cringes at that last statement)
haha

well there could be other differences.

Like year model.

If petes car is older than yours, and maybe yours is ETC {hell I dunno)
I know there are various hoops you can and cant jump thru depending on model your.

You should be able to dump someone elses file onto that device, without affecting the tune from ILLS.

I know it's not a "free internet solution" but would show some "due diligence" on the end users part.

If you look around you can find em for around a hunner'd bucks.
If it were me it's worth a 100.00 to not have that issue, or to help determine IF there's an issue with the car itself (cringes at that last statement)
haha

There is room for 3 tunes plus stock, at least on the SCT 2 regardless of who did the tune.

Chances of tunes for another Lincoln LS working your LS would be rare, they are tied to your VIN #.

If you look around you can find em for around a hunner'd bucks.
If it were me it's worth a 100.00 to not have that issue, or to help determine IF there's an issue with the car itself (cringes at that last statement)
haha

Yeah, it's not too bad but I had just bought a tune for the LS I wrecked from Rob, and a tune for this LS from Rob in the past year and a half, and now that it's almost Sept. I don't really want to have to fork out another hundred for something I can only use for a couple more months this year.

I don't believe the car has any issues, I tried it a number of times with tune and without, and I haven't been running the tune for two months now but I have been hot rodding the car and I haven't heard that sound a single time. It's still under warranty for a couple years, believe me when I tell you if I thought there was something wrong with it I would've taken it in. I'm so anal when things go wrong on cars and I notice all the sounds they make, if I think something is up I look into it, know what I'm sayin? I've taken both my LS' to the shop at least a half dozen times now saying something is wrong only to be told everything is fine. So far they were only wrong twice! :P

There is room for 3 tunes plus stock, at lease on the SCT 2 regardless of who did the tune.

Chances of tunes for another Lincoln LS working your LS would be rare, they are tied to your VIN #.

I believe the tunes themselves are not vin locked, only the tuning device. As long as the LS's have the same strategy code, I *THINK* they can work.

I believe the tunes themselves are not vin locked, only the tuning device. As long as the LS's have the same strategy code, I *THINK* they can work.

I think you’re correct and miss-spoken about the tunes being the VIN# locked and not the device, it is the device that is VIN # locked.

The chances of finding two LS with same strategy code and sharing a custom tune maybe slim.

I don't believe the car has any issues, I tried it a number of times with tune and without, and I haven't been running the tune for two months now but I have been hot rodding the car and I haven't heard that sound a single time.

Nobody EVER believes it's an issue with the car.
But the exact scenario you describe doesn't mean "the car is fine".

It means the far is "fine on the stock tune"...that doesn't mean there isn't an issue with the car....

TRUST ME, this is FACT.

Yeah, it's not too bad but I had just bought a tune for the LS I wrecked from Rob, and a tune for this LS from Rob in the past year and a half, and now that it's almost Sept. I don't really want to have to fork out another hundred for something I can only use for a couple more months this year.

I don't believe the car has any issues, I tried it a number of times with tune and without, and I haven't been running the tune for two months now but I have been hot rodding the car and I haven't heard that sound a single time. It's still under warranty for a couple years, believe me when I tell you if I thought there was something wrong with it I would've taken it in. I'm so anal when things go wrong on cars and I notice all the sounds they make, if I think something is up I look into it, know what I'm sayin? I've taken both my LS' to the shop at least a half dozen times now saying something is wrong only to be told everything is fine. So far they were only wrong twice! :P

If you understood what happens inside a performance tune, it'd make more sense.. but cars will often run fine on a stock tune and have issues with a performance tune.
The OEM tune has alot of extra stuff in there, that is removed in the performance tune... that extra stuff that is removed will created problems IF the car's MAF or Fuel System aren't operating at 100%

The OEM tune will allow a car with a weak fuel system to operate "OK".

it IS just the way it IS.


NOW I see why ILLS may have disappeared.
"every little thing" that happens is a "problem with his tune".
I've seen this many times.. in many different kinds of cars.

my 95 mark 8 did the same thing..
Ran fine on a stock tune, but pinged with a performance tune.

I was very reluctant to change my fuel pump....but the tuner insisted.

FINALLY I followed what those that knew more than I suggested..and WALA.
The car ran great.

Just because you "dont think" there is a problem doesnt mean there ISN'T a problem

There is room for 3 tunes plus stock, at least on the SCT 2 regardless of who did the tune.

Chances of tunes for another Lincoln LS working your LS would be rare, they are tied to your VIN #.

yea all this is wrong..

well for 96-04 cars it's true
The 05 and up automatic cars have a much larger tune file and ONLY 2 will fit on an Xcal 2..
Which is why the X-3's were invented.

no VIN locked tunes either, it's the device that is "married to the cars PCM" but it's NOT married by the "VIN" either, that's an SCT "farce".
it doesnt actually marry itself to the VIN.

yea all this is wrong..

well for 96-04 cars it's true
The 05 and up automatic cars have a much larger tune file and ONLY 2 will fit on an Xcal 2..
Which is why the X-3's were invented.

"yea all this is wrong.."

Same transmission, same programing in the 2nd gen Lincoln LS, 03-06, no larger tune needed for 05 and up. We are talking Lincoln LS here.

The chances of finding two LS with same strategy code and sharing a custom tune maybe slim.

not really,.. and alot of strategies are compatible as well.
Just because the strategy is different doenst mean it wont workl
I'm not saying "all strategies are the same"..

SO while there is some merit to what you said, it's not 100% true and correct.

"yea all this is wrong.."

Same transmission, same programing in the 2nd gen Lincoln LS, 03-06, no larger tune needed for 05 and up. We are talking Lincoln LS here.

Just because the share the same trans does not mean you are correct.

93 mark 8's and 98 mark 8's use the same trans, their tune file sizes are GREATLY different.

05 and up have larger tune files, regardless of trans... or whatever.

Question..tho... Are ANY of the LS's "drive by wire" with Electronic Throttle control?

If so, that will probably be the "line" where the larger tune files come into play.

I believe the tunes themselves are not vin locked, only the tuning device. As long as the LS's have the same strategy code, I *THINK* they can work.

this is true, and even some with different strategies will work as well.

that is what happens when Ford updates your PCM, they are just putting a different/newer/updated strategy on it... no big deal.

Just because the share the same trans does not mean you are correct.

93 mark 8's and 98 mark 8's use the same trans, their tune file sizes are GREATLY different.

05 and up have larger tune files, regardless of trans... or whatever.

Question..tho... Are ANY of the LS's "drive by wire" with Electronic Throttle control?

If so, that will probably be the "line" where the larger tune files come into play.

You keep talking about Mark 8....your on the wrong form....we are talking about Lincoln LS.

If you have to ask if any LS's have "dive by wire" proves the point about your lack of knowledge of an Lincoln LS.

.

Question..tho... Are ANY of the LS's "drive by wire" with Electronic Throttle control?



'03-'06 only.

You keep talking about Mark 8....your on the wrong form....we are talking about Lincoln LS.

If you have to ask if any LS's have "dive by wire" proves the point about your lack of knowledge of an Lincoln LS.

yea I'm sure Pektel wishes I never would have come into your beloved LS forum.

you sir are clueless, while you pick my posts apart....
I can assure you I am 1000% more familiar with the SCT stuff than you are.

And just because I "asked" about ETC doesnt mean I dont know what I'm talking about.

AND I didn't see you and your infinite wisdom offering any help to these people with their issues.

you just want to stand on my nutsack... for whatever reason.

Tell you what..

I "solved" pektel's problem
YOU solve Palguy's Problem...M'kay?

or.. are "YOU" in the wrong post because you cant do "DYCK" to help other than to ATTEMPT to pick my posts apart.

'03-'06 only.

there is the gem I was looking for.

Thank you sir

No prollum, mon.

Gotta help my fellow namesake out. :D

If you have to ask if any LS's have "dive by wire" proves the point about your lack of knowledge of an Lincoln LS.

d*ckhead you cant even SPELL.. and you want to pick my posts apart.

NO LS EVER came with "DIVE BY WIRE" we're talking cars, not submarines..nutsack

yea I'm sure Pektel wishes I never would have come into your beloved LS forum.

you sir are clueless, while you pick my posts apart....
I can assure you I am 1000% more familiar with the SCT stuff than you are.

And just because I "asked" about ETC doesnt mean I dont know what I'm talking about.

AND I didn't see you and your infinite wisdom offering any help to these people with their issues.

you just want to stand on my nutsack... for whatever reason.

Tell you what..

I "solved" pektel's problem
YOU solve Palguy's Problem...M'kay?

or.. are "YOU" in the wrong post because you cant do "DYCK" to help other than to ATTEMPT to pick my posts apart.

Your help was much appreciated, Tommy. Definitely wouldn't have tracked down the issue without your help.

It's difficult to find performance-oriented people in the LS side of the forum. Especially since ILLS and SPSully aren't visiting the board anymore. What we are overstocked with is guys talking rims and subs. Or potential future performance mods that never come to fruition.

That being said, just because XLRVIII doesn't own an LS, does not mean he doesn't know his isht about tuning vehicles in general. The concepts should be similar, along with possible issues/solutions. Be thankful that someone is willing to share his knowledge so those of us that don't understand what goes into a tune (both stock and custom) can get a better idea of what's happening to our cars.

your on the wrong form....



(stands on one leg and holds one arm way up high)
is this a better form?


LMAO

Especially since ILLS and SPSully aren't visiting the board anymore..

no offense in general but "ya cant really blame em".
you can only throw a life preserver to a drowning man so many times.
you cant jump in and save them yourself because they will drown your AZZ.

I saw a few folks floundering, and tried to toss them a life ring.
yea... I probably threw the ring kinda hard and might have even hit one on the head.
But.. atleast "YOU" didn't drown.


That being said, just because XLRVIII doesn't own an LS, does not mean he doesn't know his isht about tuning vehicles in general. The concepts should be similar, along with possible issues/solutions.

^this is sage advice, general tuning concepts are the same.
Many people think tuning is 100% car specific, when it really isn't.
some stuff IS, but 99.99% of it applies across the board.

the principles of an EFI controlled Internal Combustion engine dont change just because they are rolling down the road in a Mark 8, LS, or toyota Camry.

By no means do I "know it all" but I have learned much of the basics and I understand that I have ALOT to learn.

If yall havent found out yet Ills has relocated to gulfport Mississippi. I havent been on the forums in a while so i didnt know that you guys were un aware of his location. The last time I talked to him he was seting up his shop their. I found out because he had sent me a tune prior to moving and he was impressed that I gained 4mph and a seccond off of my 1/4 mile time way down here in the south. I was working on having him meet me at gulfport drag strip several months ago with one of my employees who also drives an ls so he could check some stuff out on our cars. I was unable to meet him due to work stuff and that was the last time we spoke. I do know that he was going to be living down here for atleast a few years.
I hope i was able to shed some light on Ill's MIA.

Thanks
Michael

I want YOUR tune! My sh*t went slower than the stock tune. lol

sounds like outside conditions were more of a factor than anything- unless you ran them at the same time and let it cool down in between. traction is the most unpredictable thing at the track though.

no offense in general but "ya cant really blame em".
you can only throw a life preserver to a drowning man so many times.
you cant jump in and save them yourself because they will drown your AZZ.

I saw a few folks floundering, and tried to toss them a life ring.
yea... I probably threw the ring kinda hard and might have even hit one on the head.
But.. atleast "YOU" didn't drown.




I talk to Sully on the phone, but he doesn't come around here any more. He has been super helpful in getting my LS on the right path to where I want it to be performance wise.

I agree that you do try to help. Just most don't want to take the advice, or are too thin skinned and get offended by some very blunt responses. There's only so much you can do without sugar coating it and spoonfeeding us newbs haha.

Nobody EVER believes it's an issue with the car.
But the exact scenario you describe doesn't mean "the car is fine".

It means the far is "fine on the stock tune"...that doesn't mean there isn't an issue with the car....

TRUST ME, this is FACT.

You're crazy, I totally would chalk this up to the car itself. Did you not see my line about how many times I've gone to get it checked for things? That wasn't even counting all the times things have actually been fixed... I've only owned an LS for a short while but my laundry list of things that are broken, will break, and are about to break is huge..... So yeah, if it acted up at all with the tune off I'd definitely be wary.

If you understood what happens inside a performance tune, it'd make more sense.. but cars will often run fine on a stock tune and have issues with a performance tune.
The OEM tune has alot of extra stuff in there, that is removed in the performance tune... that extra stuff that is removed will created problems IF the car's MAF or Fuel System aren't operating at 100%

The OEM tune will allow a car with a weak fuel system to operate "OK".

it IS just the way it IS.


NOW I see why ILLS may have disappeared.
"every little thing" that happens is a "problem with his tune".
I've seen this many times.. in many different kinds of cars.

my 95 mark 8 did the same thing..
Ran fine on a stock tune, but pinged with a performance tune.

I was very reluctant to change my fuel pump....but the tuner insisted.

FINALLY I followed what those that knew more than I suggested..and WALA.
The car ran great.

Just because you "dont think" there is a problem doesnt mean there ISN'T a problem

What the hell are you talking about? What makes you think I don't understand what a tune does? Why are you even saying half the crap you are, like why ILLS disappeared? You are making no sense. I didn't come here to fight but you sure unloaded on me there.

If something is wrong with my fuel system, what does knowing about it now help me if nothing is acting up? It's not going to get fixed under warranty unless something is obviously wrong, a code is thrown, a part is knocking, the car won't start, etc. Knowing your coils are going bad sure doesn't help get them fixed under warranty any faster unless they fail the stress tests or throw a code.

If you really wanna find out so badly you could always fork the $150 over to Torrie for me so we can check it out. :P Pretty please?

What the hell are you talking about? What makes you think I don't understand what a tune does? Why are you even saying half the crap you are, like why ILLS disappeared? ?

well obviously you have no clue about it, otherwise you wouldn't be blaming the tune file...

and you didn't understand a damned thing I said about the differences, and possible issues that can and do occur when changing from a stock POS calibration and a performance calibration.

You can get pissed at ME, if you like, you can blame ILLS if you like.

in the end, it IS gonna be the "variance" between "commanded and deliverd AF"..which IS a problem WITH your car... period.

If you really wanna find out so badly you could always fork the $150 over to Torrie for me so we can check it out. :P Pretty please?


your stuck SO FAR in "DENIAL" that you are hopeless

i couldn't give a rats AZZ if your problem gets solved.
pektel was willing to LISTEN and ACT...and LOW and behold his problem got solved!!!!

you just want to be spoonfed a solution, which isn't gonna happen on a message board.since you refuse to listen to those that know more about it than you do.

you insist that your "underwarranty" car simply couldn't have an issue, since it's been "checked" for problems so many times.

When you get ready to LISTEN and ACT, let us know.
Until then you just need to keep the stock tune on the car so you dont break it.

So yeah, if it acted up at all with the tune off I'd definitely be wary.

irrelevant to the topic or issue

If you really wanna find out so badly you could always fork the $150 over to Torrie for me so we can check it out. :P Pretty please??


The sad thing is it's not worth 150.00 to YOU to find out.

That 150 dollar is chump change compared to the investment you made/make with your vehicle.

if it were me, and I couldn't solve this on my own, I'd throw 150.00 at it in a hearbeat....

very very sad indeed.

The sad thing is it's not worth 150.00 to YOU to find out.

That 150 dollar is chump change compared to the investment you made/make with your vehicle.

if it were me, and I couldn't solve this on my own, I'd throw 150.00 at it in a hearbeat....

very very sad indeed.

You got messed up priorities or are too flush with cash to not worry about throwing money at problems. I'll stick to diagnosing and finding the issue correctly before I throw money at it.

All hail you and your throw money at it till it's fixed mentality. Do you perhaps work for the government?

you insist that your "underwarranty" car simply couldn't have an issue, since it's been "checked" for problems so many times.

You fail at reading comprehension. That's all. Learn to read.

well obviously you have no clue about it, otherwise you wouldn't be blaming the tune file....

This statement is too stupid to respond to.

This statement is too stupid to respond to.

yet you replied anyways.

dang how far can I drag a jackazz without touching it?

alot of loose vaginas in here.
custom tunes are the best way to go. customer service generally is crappy in this industry so get used to it. cars are never the same and wierd stuff happens all the time and tuners and builders know this more than the average joe, and they get tired of trying to constantly explain these things. consumers dont understand that every single car is different, even with "bolt ons" they dont always bolt on the same or work the same for some reason. especially on cheap american cars like ours. thats why its usually best to do what YOU can and try to learn on your own even if it ends up being costly when you make mistakes, at least you learned something and can say you know. sucks to hear but i learned this long ago. minimize how much you "need" others for and in the long run youll save money and know more.

Yeah, by that philosophy, I better brush up on doing my own medical checkups and surgery procedures.

I get what you're saying though. I've always tried to learn as much as I can. My problem initially was I did not have a starting point. I didn't know what to do to begin diagnosing my problem. Tommy gave me the starting point of where to start my search for a solution.

[QUOTE=pektel;562554]Yeah, by that philosophy, I better brush up on doing my own medical checkups and surgery procedures.
QUOTE]
trust me. being a bmx rider that has had and or seen all sorts of gnarly injuries, weve learned alot of "special" procedures to avoid all nighters at the stinkin hospitals and $1000 ambulance rides. id love to find a forum for medical procedures so i can get some diys and never waste my time or money again. lol. you can do alot with duct tape and superglue.

but its true when your a customer in the performance industry "feeling" like someone isnt there when you need their help sucks real bad. especially if their cool before they got your $. thats why years ago i had to start doing things myself because i just didnt trust anyone anymore. not to say they were all bad, some are just busy. ills has been real cool sending me free tunes for my car to test. other shops had burned me pretty good in the past.
but if you think about it, if someone else can do this stuff.... so can you

no matter who does the work stuff still fails, doesnt work properly, breaks and has to be redone. its a neverending learning curve for everybody so why not just put it on yourself, or pay an arm and a leg for someonelses learning curve anyway.

cars suck by the way

yet you replied anyways.

dang how far can I drag a jackazz without touching it?

You got nothing. Go pick fights with people who care.

You got nothing. Go pick fights with people who care.

you got owned, you knew nothing about what you are/were talking about...
so just accept it and move on with your life.

Jeez...you really let this bother you didn't you.

id love to find a forum for medical procedures so i can get some diys and never waste my time or money again. lol. you can do alot with duct tape and superglue.

go find yourself a copy of the "Army Corps of Engineers Field Manual".
It has alot of info about DIY medical care

like how to properly put the grey matter back inside the skull on an open head wound and the proper use of super glue to hold the pieces in place.

and if I remember correctly they even have a few neato uses for duct tape as well.

You got nothing. Go pick fights with people who care.

Page 5 needs this, since you didn't understand it the first time

If you understood what happens inside a performance tune, it'd make more sense.. but cars will often run fine on a stock tune and have issues with a performance tune.

and YES I'm saying you DONT KNOW WTF you are talking about.

no need to get offended, just spend some time and educate yourself on the topic before you start trying to debate facts

but if you think about it, if someone else can do this stuff.... so can you

this isn't too far from the truth, and is how I got into doing it myself.

I spent about a grand on mail order chips (you do the math) before I decided that I really needed to have the control in my own hands.

That way when I wanted something changed, I actually got it changed and didn't get "some one elses interpretation" of what they thought I wanted.

granted, DIY isn't for EVERYONE.. like palaguyd00d.
He should probably stay far away from DIYtuning.
...not saying his dumb, just that his perception and what is reality are two far from each other and He'd wind up in trouble.

But for the most part, so long as you dont do st00pid stuff and take small baby steps, eventually you will get "up that hill".

It's not rocket science...it is fairly complicated,
but black majic/voodoo/rocket science it isn't.

What does it cost for one to get set up to do their own tunes? Software, monthly fees if any, etc.

Just purchased a sct xcal2 on ebay other than Torrie at fastpartsnetwork who else can be recommended to purchase a tune for my 06 LSV8?

What does it cost for one to get set up to do their own tunes? Software, monthly fees if any, etc.

Since you already have an Xcal 2, you'd only need the software to begin the tuning process.
the software is 329.00 from your favorite SCT dealer.

I would also suggest that before you get "too deep" into the tuning that you get a WB02 installed on your car, that way you can "safely extract" all the performance out of the car.

to date.. I have no gotten WB02, but it is very high on my list of "things to do".

Just purchased a sct xcal2 on ebay other than Torrie at fastpartsnetwork who else can be recommended to purchase a tune for my 06 LSV8?

Both Torrie and ILLS (KBX Performance) are who most use for the LS.

Hopefully your device in unlocked. I wouldn't buy one on ebay.

Since you already have an Xcal 2, you'd only need the software to begin the tuning process.
the software is 329.00 from your favorite SCT dealer.

I would also suggest that before you get "too deep" into the tuning that you get a WB02 installed on your car, that way you can "safely extract" all the performance out of the car.

to date.. I have no gotten WB02, but it is very high on my list of "things to do".

Yes, wideband 02. Very helpful for datalogging!

I saw the software in that range, I just didn't know if there were any other items needed.

Stupid thing is, I can't find the damn catch code. KK tells me that's what he needs to use his software. It's not written on the PCM. I tore apart my car trying to find it.

Both Torrie and ILLS (KBX Performance) are who most use for the LS.

Hopefully your device in unlocked. I wouldn't buy one on ebay.

while I wouldn't suggest it, that is exactly where I got my unlocked Xcal at for 50.00.

The seller listed it as an SCT X-calibrator 2 instead of an Excalibrator 2
the DASH in the name made it not show up under normal search terms.

There was a 1.00 opening bid.
On the final day of the auction I put in 150.00 into hammersnipe.com and got the unit for 50.00.

But buyer beware when dealing with these devices and ebay.

A "locked unit" will cost 150.00 paid to SCT to get the unit "unlocked".

Stupid thing is, I can't find the damn catch code. KK tells me that's what he needs to use his software. It's not written on the PCM. I tore apart my car trying to find it.

You sure you don't just need the strategy that you can pull from the PCM with the XCAL?

Mine's JIANSC or something like that.

I thought so. I mean, the strategy is all I had to give Rob. Maybe it's different for the Mark's or something.

KK was going to help me troubleshoot, but he needed a 4 digit catch code. Our ECU has no labelling on it.

The dealer did a re flash and had to read the new hex code strategy for Torrie to correct my three tunes. The LS would not start after the re flash with original tunes other than stock.

new post from Robert - looks like the G8 is turbo'ed now

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?p=147706

and YES I'm saying you DONT KNOW WTF you are talking about.

no need to get offended, just spend some time and educate yourself on the topic before you start trying to debate facts

Whatever makes you feel good. You're a jackass. I said it before and I'll say it again, you picked a fight and started tossin insults in this thread for no reason except to make yourself feel good. So yeah, you're a jackass.

can you believe its September 20th already??? my LS was driving so good last night in the cold, i can handle 50-60's but no lower then that!

Whatever makes you feel good. You're a jackass. I said it before and I'll say it again, you picked a fight and started tossin insults in this thread for no reason except to make yourself feel good. So yeah, you're a jackass.

Well I never said i wasn't a jackass nor an azzhole.

But.. while that may be true..

I'm not a dip:q:q:q:q with a poorly running car with no idea what to do about it.

As I said before.. your clueless and cant even "help yourself".

Atleast MY TURD runs right, and if it didn't I could fix it in the tune.

Wheras YOUR only alternative is to "piss and moan" on a message board and HOPE someone SPOONFEEDS you the info to correct your problem.

Would you care for a gerbers baby food spoon?
Pink or BLUE?
I can send you one.. NO PROBLEM.

i wanted to buy an sct with tunes. who would i buy it from on this wonderful forum?

ILLS. You need to visit www.kbxperformance.com and email him direct.

Or buy tunes from Torrie. www.fastpartsnetwork.com

I would still work with Rob (ILLS). Just keep in mind that you do need to research and become familiar with general tuning, since it seems that tuners expect end users to have at least conceptual understanding.

It makes sense that they would, since they aren't making much money off of tunes/device sales. They can only commit so much time. Granted, I feel that I could've at least gotten a point in the right direction from ILLS, but he has been a VERY busy guy with moving and back into a full time position at another profession. Whatever, no hard feelings.

I actually sent him another email yesterday letting him know how things were moving along with me fixing my issue. We'll see if he responds. Hopefully he'll be able to give me some insight on what I should do for modifying the tune once I get the Stall.

Im talking to him via emails right now about a tune for my car with the stall, Ill let you know what he says.

Well then, I must've really pissed him off.

I've heard nothing.

well you did talk sh*t about the issues and blamed him for it.....or maybe you should do what Missin Linc did and bribe him to talk back with putting Nude photos in the email attachments :-D

No, you have your facts wrong. I had an issue with the car with the tune loaded. I asked him to help point me in the right direction, and asked if the tune could be to blame. I told him I thought it was the tune, but just wanted some guidance since I didn't know anything about tuning. I was ignored, and that pissed me off. So I was giving a fair warning to other LS owners that they should not expect any support after the sale, since that was my experience.

Quit crying about it Sally, get the tuner pro package like what im gonna do and learn how to tune yourself, Im just trying to get a baseline for right now..

lol... I was done crying about it.

protuner software will come eventually. I need to fix my truck first :D

the truck is going to be a whole new fun!