qualify for the cash for clunkers thing............yay lets save the environment :shifty:


http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm


18mpg ave.




:rolleyes:

Oh cool, let me rush down and trade in my baby for a Kia Rio! http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Smilies/fairyfight.gif

LMAO whatever bad as well all NOW LVC is the SH^T and if you thinkin about tradin you mark viii then ur better of selling it to a fellow member, then taking the cash ....

Wooohoo!!!!!

Did you guys read the horrible things the dealer is supposed to do to get the reimbursement? They have to run some liquid through the engine until it seizes! Poor cars!

No fine Italian 4V motor deserves that.... btw Ripped Camel I LOVE YOU CAR!!!!!

wow. whats funny is i just switched to a Mark VIII becuase it did have better gas mileage.

The way I understood it was we did not qualify as we have an average OVER 16MPG

Did you guys read the horrible things the dealer is supposed to do to get the reimbursement? They have to run some liquid through the engine until it seizes! Poor cars!

Would buyers off the street be able to buy the cars when the motors blown? :eek:

Would buyers off the street be able to buy the cars when the motors blown? :eek:

No they crush them.

The way I understood it was we did not qualify as we have an average OVER 16MPG


http://www.cars.gov/
It says 18MPG.

What an asinine program....

People driving these "clunkers" are surely going to LOVE the financing and payments for a new car.

HORRAY EARTH!!!!

Did you guys read the horrible things the dealer is supposed to do to get the reimbursement? They have to run some liquid through the engine until it seizes! Poor cars!

Correct, it is a silicate solution designed to ensure they don't run. The government wants to ensure that when these 'clunkers' are taken out of service that they will not be able to be put back on the road again by other enterprising individuals.

Would buyers off the street be able to buy the cars when the motors blown? :eek:

Clunkers have to be drivable to accept as a trade.

My neighbor just did this with his spare car and got a Nissan Sentra, brand new, with most of the options including the CVT, for about $9,500. Good deal.

yea just what I want to do, trade in my v8 with space for a sardine can......take your clunker plan and jam it!!! Oh and BTW I did get my mark for milage......my 27 highway beats the 9.4 I got with my trans am :)

Correct, it is a silicate solution designed to ensure they don't run. The government wants to ensure that when these 'clunkers' are taken out of service that they will not be able to be put back on the road again by other enterprising individuals.



Clunkers have to be drivable to accept as a trade.

My neighbor just did this with his spare car and got a Nissan Sentra, brand new, with most of the options including the CVT, for about $9,500. Good deal.

I gotta tell you that is just wrong.. Most of the time you'll find a car that is neglected but can be brought back to former glory with very little effort and to destroy it is just wrong.. I cant afford car payments (althought repair bills could be the same! :) ) I would like to get my hands on a car with blown motor and put aother one in it for cheap or free...

Anyone out there have a car in fair to good condition and blown motor / trans they want to give up? I'll put it to good use.. I need a new DD as I will be working on my mark soon enough...

:lol:

I got a clunker letter in the mail with (of all places) my old work ( a Subaru dealer) Wanting to buy my '94 Mustang GT!!!! I couldnt help but belly-laugh when I read it!!

My '94 GT is faaaarrr from a "clunker" It may have 223,000 miles on it, but it will get out on the road and wipe the floor with a LOT of other vehicles out there!!

The government sucks! Trying every way that they can to sell a new car by taking away our old cars!!!

If I ever get a letter from the Gov. or a dealer trying to get me to sell them my '77 Mustang II... then I'll have a :q:q:q:q-fit and write someone a nasty letter!!

I gotta tell you that is just wrong.. Most of the time you'll find a car that is neglected but can be brought back to former glory with very little effort and to destroy it is just wrong.. I cant afford car payments (althought repair bills could be the same! :) )

I agree, most cars that get scrapped are perfectly usable. However, you gotta remember, the whole idea is to get older cars off the road. To that extent, the program works as it is designed.

The nice part about the program is it's completely optional. I would never partake, and I'm willing to bet nobody here will, but for many people it makes sense.

For what it's worth, when gas hits $5 again (or higher), that Sentra will look a lot nicer. He's gotten 41mpg out of his first tank, and my best tank is 28 (and that's of premium). Considering my lifetime average is 21mpg, an almost 100% increase is fairly significant.

yea but you can't put a price on that v8 power.....I loved my 79 trans am....even with its 9.4mpg of premium, non-A/c hot headder interior in the summer, I loved it!!!!!!!!!! I made a compromise and got the linc cause the T/A needed alot of work..........still have power and with my exhaust has rumble.....a rumble a sentra will never have

Dealers are going to get the cash from the gov and sell the cars with no title. most of the cars will end up in mexico or south america , so now the illegals will come across the border in style

Dealers are going to get the cash from the gov and sell the cars with no title. most of the cars will end up in mexico or south america , so now the illegals will come across the border in style

well said!!! Atleast they'll be driving something with size, ya know so when they run into us in our new "earth friendly car" They'll kill us, atleast we won't have to worry about them not having insurance then :shifty:

I agree, most cars that get scrapped are perfectly usable. However, you gotta remember, the whole idea is to get older cars off the road. To that extent, the program works as it is designed.

The nice part about the program is it's completely optional. I would never partake, and I'm willing to bet nobody here will, but for many people it makes sense.

For what it's worth, when gas hits $5 again (or higher), that Sentra will look a lot nicer. He's gotten 41mpg out of his first tank, and my best tank is 28 (and that's of premium). Considering my lifetime average is 21mpg, an almost 100% increase is fairly significant.

I wouldnt blame someone if they went with it and saved a lot of money, but I don't like the program.

To me it hurts the poor.
If you can't afford a new car this bill won't help you any.
Plus if have to go to the auto recyclers to get parts to keep your clunker going, there will be less cars to get parts from.
I look at it as another bail out.
Sure the middle class that still have jobs can save some cash.
The whole idea is to give a boost the auto companys again.

Most dealerships have been giving rebates($4500 or more) like that for the past couple of years

Sometimes you'll find domestic dealers matching the cash- so it's a $9k rebate on an economy car... I wonder if you can find a car and do an even trade?

No fine Italian 4V motor deserves that.... btw Ripped Camel I LOVE YOU CAR!!!!!

My car loves you too ;)

Strange.....some of you guys said it quoted your car as 18mpg. My 97 came up as 19mpg according to that site. Guess I don't have to worry about Gen II's disappearing. I guess the government finally settled the score on which is the better mark ;)

I wouldnt blame someone if they went with it and saved a lot of money, but I don't like the program.

To me it hurts the poor.
If you can't afford a new car this bill won't help you any.
Plus if have to go to the auto recyclers to get parts to keep your clunker going, there will be less cars to get parts from.
I look at it as another bail out.
Sure the middle class that still have jobs can save some cash.
The whole idea is to give a boost the auto companys again.

Yep, the gremlins of unintended consequences are at work again :)

Another one: knowing that they won't find better deals for the next couple of years at least; also knowing that the new CAFE standards are going to increase the price of cars in general; people are making car purchases now with the intention of being the last new car expense for some time. The net effect here is that the temporary boost in sales will come at a cost of cannabilizing future car sales for the next couple years.

My test subject with the Sentra already had two other brand new cars and he had gotten rid of a 1993 Chrysler, so the oldest car in his fleet is now only two years. He had not planned on buying another car for a couple more years at least, but taking the two above statements into account, he picked up the Sentra early with the intention of it being the last time he buys a new car for 6-8 years and knowing it will be far cheaper now than if he waits.

I work at a FLM dealership, only the 98 Mark VIII qualifies. Don't ask me why cause I have no idea. And if you trade your 98 Mark VIII in as a clunker you deserve to get slapped...

Yep, the gremlins of unintended consequences are at work again :)

Another one: knowing that they won't find better deals for the next couple of years at least; also knowing that the new CAFE standards are going to increase the price of cars in general; people are making car purchases now with the intention of being the last new car expense for some time. The net effect here is that the temporary boost in sales will come at a cost of cannabilizing future car sales for the next couple years.

My test subject with the Sentra already had two other brand new cars and he had gotten rid of a 1993 Chrysler, so the oldest car in his fleet is now only two years. He had not planned on buying another car for a couple more years at least, but taking the two above statements into account, he picked up the Sentra early with the intention of it being the last time he buys a new car for 6-8 years and knowing it will be far cheaper now than if he waits.
I never thought of that and its a good point.
I think that is also happening with the housing market.
There will be a boost until the end of the year with people getting the 8k tax credit.
Then the market will drop again.
Time will tell.

Just sell your house before the next drop Ford Nut :D

Is this clunker program attempt to "help" us conserve the earth's natural resources? You know, get us driving cars that get better mpg... burn less oil, create less green house gasses - yada yada yada. I think that's what it's being sold as.

My question is: What's the cost to our natural resources to build the new cars they want us to "trade up" to? Maybe, just maybe, we'd save more oil, create less green house gasses and all that happy horsesh!t if we just kept our old "clunkers" on the road, and not build a bunch of new cars that I, for one, don't want.

i dont think these are clunker numbers........... :cool:


YouTube - MOV00039 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKalgkLA-zs)




you gotta live in a nice flat hellhole like were i live at to pull those numbers though........:(





:)

What a hell hole socal is.... trade you 5 solid months of winter...

I told the guy at work to trade in his pos Toyota but it gets to good of mileage to qualify then I thought I could trade in the Town car but why would I want to trade to a newer pos with a car payment
I agree this may hurt a lot of people who dont know how to spend there money you know the ones who bought a house that they thought they could afford now they can add a car payment to that

I told the guy at work to trade in his pos Toyota but it gets to good of mileage to qualify then I thought I could trade in the Town car but why would I want to trade to a newer pos with a car payment
I agree this may hurt a lot of people who dont know how to spend there money you know the ones who bought a house that they thought they could afford now they can add a car payment to that

It's not so much that people bought houses that they couldn't afford. It was that they had a cushion that all but depleted thanks to the greed of speculators and oil execs. Gas prices went through the roof, and that extra cushion dwindled. Food prices and electric prices followed and that cushion dwindled some more. Then came the rise in everything else and that cushion was now in the negatives. Now because of all time high prices, companies started cutting jobs and families that once were able to afford their lives were screwed because not only do they no longer make enough to pay their bills, but there are no jobs to replace the lost jobs with.

I keep hearing people point fingers at the housing market, and careless buyers when the finger should really be pointed at speculators, oil execs, opec, and our government. Had they not allowed speculators to have a free for all we wouldn't be in the mess in the first place.

I too was a victim of this and let me tell you I did not have a high house payment, car payment, or anything like that. I did not spend frivilously....hell I didn't even have cable for 6 years. But regardless when the construction industry drops out and there are no comparable jobs to replace yours, you're SOL!

I warned everyone I knew this was going to happen before it did. As soon as the gas prices started going up I warned everyone this was going to be a domino effect that will devestate this country and I was damn right! I remember all the idiots that mocked warnings, and said I was a conspiracy theorist for saying such things. Funny how whenever I pull those old threads up in other forums, those loudmouths have NOTHING to say!

Sorry, end rant. Just get tired of the misinformation!;)

i dont think these are clunker numbers........... :cool:


YouTube - MOV00039 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKalgkLA-zs)




you gotta live in a nice flat hellhole like were i live at to pull those numbers though........:(





:)

You didnt have the A/C on :p

I drove 280 miles yesterday doing 75-85mph for 200 of them, 100 mph for 50 miles and about 25 miles in heavy Dallas traffic (20-25 mph). I also let the car idle for 20 minutes with the A/C on (I forgot I left the car runing) and averaged 24.2 MPG for the whole day.
While these numbers are not Hybrid good they are pretty damn good IMHO.
Hell my 96 Cobra averaged 26 all the time.
I love the Ford 4V engine!

agreed, my girlfriend has a 96 infinity G20 and was saying she got better milage around town 23mpg.....but she only gets 27 on the highway....but like I tell her ALL the time.....I get similar milage in a car almost twice the weight and 300+hp.....my car has power, style and size.....so keep your few mpg....gotta enjoy what you drive!

What a hell hole socal is.... trade you 5 solid months of winter...



ehhh.............no :p


and yeah i didnt have the AC on, only use it on humid days......

humid day = :mad: , nice dry 115 day = nice ;)


my record is 33mpg cruising at 60mph @ 123 degrees :D

i cant wait till i get to blow some engines at work!!! theres 2 expeditions sitting out back, first one im just gonna drain everything and drop a brick on the gas pedal!

we were told (work) that after we blow the eng the car goes to a government yard, they pull the eng and crush it, then sell off the cars

ripped camel
you may have known how to budget but I personally know some people
who dont and they bought houses they couldnt afford so as soon as somthing went wrong they would fall behind even from something as small as an overdraft fee

ripped camel
you may have known how to budget but I personally know some people
who dont and they bought houses they couldnt afford so as soon as somthing went wrong they would fall behind even from something as small as an overdraft fee

True. There are the occasional dumbasses that are like that. I know a few, but the majority of those that I know are in the same boat as me, and spent conservatively just like me. If you ask me the economy is going to start tanking even faster next year because another wave of foreclosures and bankruptcies is coming. It's going to be a 10 year recession in my opinion.

The story that was told about taking advantage of this program is what is wrong with everything the Gov has done to address the current recession to date.

Understand I do not condemn the person in question for doing what they did, I am simply saying that when a person with three cars (two new) is being given 4500 of our dollars to 'upgrade his fleet', that we are all getting screwed.

However, if this was one of the only programs out there, I could get behind it. As it is, this is only 1billion being pissed into the recession, on top of the hundreds of billions we have already lost.

Rant off.

ok how about this in order to qualify the car has to be drivable
so why is the Gov. paying 4500 for a driving car then crushing it taking the car away from people who need the parts to keep there cars running cause they cant afford a new one or they could give the cars to family's in need like single parents who dont have good transportation

If the government gave me 4500, I guarantee I would buy some american made parts for my Mark. :D

ok how about this in order to qualify the car has to be drivable
so why is the Gov. paying 4500 for a driving car then crushing it taking the car away from people who need the parts to keep there cars running cause they cant afford a new one or they could give the cars to family's in need like single parents who dont have good transportation

The government only mandates that the engines be destroyed, so realistically the only pieces that we're losing are the internals, and frankly, I'd never install a set of junkyard pistons in a car. The clunkers are free to sit in the scrapyards, it's just that the yards are having to be selective about what they keep since they now have more inventory than space.

I venture a guess that the news report about hurting people who depend on junkyards blow it a bit out of proportion - in all honesty, very few people *need* junkyard parts to keep their cars on the road, especially when the chain auto parts stores are selling new parts for cheap (thanks to overseas production!).

The government only mandates that the engines be destroyed, so realistically the only pieces that we're losing are the internals, and frankly, I'd never install a set of junkyard pistons in a car. The clunkers are free to sit in the scrapyards, it's just that the yards are having to be selective about what they keep since they now have more inventory than space.

I venture a guess that the news report about hurting people who depend on junkyards blow it a bit out of proportion - in all honesty, very few people *need* junkyard parts to keep their cars on the road, especially when the chain auto parts stores are selling new parts for cheap (thanks to overseas production!).

I didnt know that they could let them stay in the junk yard here in MN the reported that they had to be crushed within 6 months