I've been running the sniper tuner for two years now. No real complaints except for the speed limiter. I've tried a couple different original tunes that should have fixed this but NO luck. Now that I should be trapping over 110 mph at the track this is killin me. At 110 mph the car mis fires and breaks up. It's hitting the limiter. she pulls hard to that speed but whats up. If this tuner is only for slow lincolns then whats the purpose. Now if i'm on the high way and a little rice eater wants to play all I can do is 110. That sucks! Does anybody have a fix for this. Last year I thought that sniper Pat had this fixed but no his tune didn't fix It. ANYBODY HELP!!!!!!! Its opening week-end at the track.

if you already tried stock tunes on it, theres something else wrong with your car............i hit 130 on my car the first day i had it, completly stock.......

Your right I've gone in the 130's with the stock Lincoln tune. The problem is the sniper tuner. Lincoln does a few thing different that all other ford motor company cars. The anti theft and speed limiter are two of these issues. Sniper hasn't fixed their software to work on these cars. The tuner says it works for these cars but why is this happening. Do you use sniper on your mark? Has anybody gone over 110 mph with sniper tuned?

i havent tried going that fast with the tune, maybe im gonna have to see its working right....

You know what, I would hit the top speed limiter at 97mph with the 4.30's and then I put the base tune I sent you and was able to go above that, like 100-105mph but I have never taken it above that on the street.

I know for my anti theft light you send the tune to them via email and they turn it off and send it back, all the stuff should be adjustable by them they just need to do it for you. Post on thier forum they are pretty helpful.

I will contact Pat again about this issue. This is a big problem IMO when you get a tuner to make your car faster and this is what you get. The only way to car my car faster now is to return it to stock tune. Not good! This maybe the last of sniper for me. I will see how long this takes to get fixed if it does ever get fixed. Does anybody here have a base sniper tune that really removes the speed limiter!

Maybe the Sniper can't change our trans output shaft RPM limiter?

not sure what the deal is. Looks like only 1/8 mile passes on the gas.

I just sent this original tune to Pat at sniper. If he gets this fixed I would be happy to send to any sniper users. I will test the tune first to see if it works.

No luck with the sniper guys. Has anyone been able to delete the speed limiter with the sniper tuner. What should I do. Buy a base modle mark trans gear to try and trick the pcm. Whats the deal with these gears any ways. Don't they need to be replacedafter a few thousand miles. Any ideas?

I dunno. In Advantage all one does it remove the rev limits on each gear thus removing the speed limit. At least thats what I have been able to figure out.

Can a dyno tune solve the issue?

I'm not sure what will solve this. I cann't be the first to have this problem with sniper! I've talked to others with the same issue. When I make a tune I normally set the rev limit 1000 above stock and set the speed limit to unlimited.

I dunno. In Advantage all one does it remove the rev limits on each gear thus removing the speed limit. At least thats what I have been able to figure out.

nah there IS a speed limiter in there based on drive shaft/oss speed.
On yours it should be under rev/speedlimiters then in the "scalars" section.
Speed_limit_stage_1
Speed_limit_stage_2
Speed_limit_stage_3
follow the directions in the description for the scalar and you will have "no speed limiter"




SCT has no issues with speed limiters in ANY of the mark 8 PCM's.

People have gone back and forth on the sniper vs sct debate..and this is one case where SCT is a clear winner, since they had alot of help from "the man" when they were setting up the program.

Sniper is cheaper no doubt.. but in tuning "cheaper isn't always the best solution", as you can see.

Can a dyno tune solve the issue?

if it's dyno tuned with something other than sniper..yes.

Buy a base modle mark trans gear to try and trick the pcm. ?

no you dont want to feed "garbage information" to your PCM

G.I.G.O.

this will fubar more than you realize.

do it right, or not at all......

I'd be vying for a refund at this point, you've suffered with this issue for "far too long".

get a refund and get the "right stuff" to do the job "right".

Sniper may have been attractive at the time, but if it "cant control" the PCM then what's the point?????

no you dont want to feed "garbage information" to your PCM

G.I.G.O.

this will fubar more than you realize.

do it right, or not at all......

I'd be vying for a refund at this point, you've suffered with this issue for "far too long".

get a refund and get the "right stuff" to do the job "right".

Sniper may have been attractive at the time, but if it "cant control" the PCM then what's the point?????

You are exactly right on!!! As if you all reading cannt tell I'm frustrated with sniper at this point. Just today I was told when I called that they don't have time to track this down in the software. I actually liked that answer. Fine the cars over 10 tens old not made any more.OK At least their not wasting my time any more. I was told to either deal with it or use a different tuner! Since then I went to their web forum and was told by (not a sniper tech) that Oh all 96-98 mustangs need speedcal to fix this. If thats it why wouldn't the manufacturer tell me this. I'm going to research this.

I sure am glad my SCT software works...

I LOVE my Advantage III software from SCT. XLRVIII has very much helped me out and I have learned a lot by playing with it. I dont have much time to work on it, so a little here and there each week. But there is so much you can control versus pull down presets, etc. Its really THE solution for DIY but its IS complex and not for your basic novice, which Sniper is for.

Well I think i'm done with the talk of this product. It is what it is!
It works but has limitation more than other tuners. The tech support on all other issue was more than good.IMO

Time to step up to the real deal imo.... go get a Pro Racer Package and an xcal2

yea i'd be pissed if i tuned my car and it was slower top speed wise.....all i could do with mine was put in a chip since its obd 1, but atleast it raises the limiter

I bought one in the 'group buy' from Gino but have yet to install it...still in the package, maybe I don't want it? I have not changed out the gearset so it still has 3:07's-your saying I will suddenly have a limit around 110 with this?

I'm pretty sure my top speed limiter is removed with my custom SNIPER tune, will test at the track tomorrow.

I bought one in the 'group buy' from Gino but have yet to install it...still in the package, maybe I don't want it? I have not changed out the gearset so it still has 3:07's-your saying I will suddenly have a limit around 110 with this?

No, you will have the same 130mph stock speed limiter.

not like I *planned* on going 130, but hey, I still want to think it'll do it if I want to spend a couple of days in jail....

I think I was wrong in thinking it lowered the limiter. However it cannt delete it. The tuner works well and is very easy to use. Maybe better for a more stock car than mine. 98lsc32v let us know what happens. Who revised your original tune to raise the limiter the first time you had this problem.

yea i'd be pissed if i tuned my car and it was slower top speed wise.....all i could do with mine was put in a chip since its obd 1, but atleast it raises the limiter

A chip is not the only thing you can do with OBD I Marks... http://www.tweecer.com/

I think I was wrong in thinking it lowered the limiter. However it cannt delete it. The tuner works well and is very easy to use. Maybe better for a more stock car than mine. 98lsc32v let us know what happens. Who revised your original tune to raise the limiter the first time you had this problem.


Patrick did. It used to hit the limiter at 97mph and I have definately taken it above that with this new tune around 105mph on the street. Still haven't run it at the track, im hoping the car will be ready next Wed. I'm changing up my exhaust setup a bit, getting some wider tires and changing my plugs.

trying really hard not to sound like a broken record....BUT.

I dont understand why "if" patrick has solved the problem that other users are experiencing the same exact issue.

Other tuning solutions {you know who I'm referring to)
IF a change it made for a particular platform, then ALL users that are subsribed to the PCM code get the updates.
You dont have to beg to have your code updated as I am seeing is the case with Sniper.

Once an issue is found and resolved the database is updated and ALL USER have access to the new information.

THAT is how it's "supposed" to work.

A chip is not the only thing you can do with OBD I Marks... http://www.tweecer.com/

better than that... there is a real time datalogging and tuning solution as well.
the Moates Quarterhouse will allow you to make "real time changes" to your tune, evaluate the changes in real time.

Google Moates QuarterHorse
Check out the video for it on Youtube as well

Patrick did. It used to hit the limiter at 97mph and I have definately taken it above that with this new tune around 105mph on the street. Still haven't run it at the track, im hoping the car will be ready next Wed. I'm changing up my exhaust setup a bit, getting some wider tires and changing my plugs.

That sounds nice. Wish I had the money to do the same. Good luck at the track. I don't know why that tune doesnt work on my car. The tune Pat sent me didnt work either. I've hdone this same pass down the highway problly 10 times now testing the limiter. I change the setting in the tune for it to something different and retry. No luck yet everytime my speedo says 110 mph and it comes on.

trying really hard not to sound like a broken record....BUT.

I dont understand why "if" patrick has solved the problem that other users are experiencing the same exact issue.

Other tuning solutions {you know who I'm referring to)
IF a change it made for a particular platform, then ALL users that are subsribed to the PCM code get the updates.
You dont have to beg to have your code updated as I am seeing is the case with Sniper.

Once an issue is found and resolved the database is updated and ALL USER have access to the new information.

THAT is how it's "supposed" to work.

Its better than that. On tuesday when I called sniper AGAIN. I was asked to hold and that person turned to Pat and asked about this, His response was havnt you called about this before and we dont have the time to track this down in the software. So either deal with it or get another tuner. This is after I contacted him last year and emailed my tunes to him to fix. Months later after many emails and calls, he sends me a new tune but no change in the limiter. Now I'm getting worked up and I really didn't want to call them out on the forum BUT THERE IT IS!

Wow, I would so return that junk and get something real men use! lol

Patrick is a really busy guy, I would try to post on the Sniper forums and ask for someone else to take a look at it... Matt has helped me before... I really have no complaints with the Sniper customer service. And if that doesn't work I would sell the Sniper and get SCT. I've had an SCT tune in my car before this Sniper tune and overall I must say I like the way the car acts with the Sniper tune.

OOOOOOh sh@* I got a new and improved file from sniper Pat today. Maybe this is the one I've been waiting for. And waiting tooo long. As soon as the lady gets home from work with my lap top I'm hitting the highway. 200 here I come!!!!

200 KPH you mean :)

200 KPH you mean :)

on a "closed course" also, right?

on a "closed course" also, right?

Naturally I am sure..... :)

Lol.... Sniper must be for patient people....

I was getting ready to purchase the sniper..but might have to hold on if there is an issue with the speed limiter. Thanks for posting about this.

Naturally I am sure..... :)

Sure you can think that but hell no right down the highway. I'd like to see a crown vic even think about rollin. Joking about the cops and 200. If I see 120 i'll be soooooooo happy.

SCT FTW... all I will say...

I'm back with goooood news Its all good. Math class is open heres a little brain tickler. This is the formula for OMG rush.
(3rd gearx7000RPM)/3.73=140mph
Thats a rush.
Pat at sniper got it right this time.

I'm back with goooood news Its all good. Math class is open heres a little brain tickler. This is the formula for OMG rush.
(3rd gearx7000RPM)/3.73=140mph
Thats a rush.
Pat at sniper got it right this time.

Good news. So if i were to buy the sniper i would have this same problem out of the box?

What is involved with correcting it?

SCT is better "cough" "cough"

^ Duh. :D

better than that... there is a real time datalogging and tuning solution as well.
the Moates Quarterhouse will allow you to make "real time changes" to your tune, evaluate the changes in real time.

Google Moates QuarterHorse
Check out the video for it on Youtube as well

As I'm sure you know the TwEECer RT will datalog most EEC-IV... But the real-time control feature of this QuarterHorse looks interesting, I've never seen it before. Thanks for pointing it out.

It looks bad ass.... there is a video of a dude sitting in the car, and he types some stuff and and changes the idle rpm... it's pretty damn sweet.

SCT is better "cough" "cough"

Really, SCT is better? Is that why my car ran a 9.6 1/8 mile bone stock compared to your SCT tuned Mark VIII which ran a what 9.7-9.8?

Spinning off the line with a very inexperienced driver behind the seat and in need of a tune up.... good comparison!

BTW 98LSC.... was that your 95 or 98 that ran that 9.60 stock?

Both the 95 LSC and my base 96 ran 9.6 bone stock. The 95 LSC might have had mufflers on it. My 98 never ran it bone stock... with just a tune and mufflers it ran 9.5 I think, gotta recheck. But my point is not comparing times but trying to squash the notion that SCT is superior tuning compared to Sniper. I've had both and am quite satisifed with my Sniper Tune.

I'm back with goooood news Its all good. Math class is open heres a little brain tickler. This is the formula for OMG rush.
(3rd gearx7000RPM)/3.73=140mph
Thats a rush.
Pat at sniper got it right this time.


glad that worked out for you finally!

Really, SCT is better? Is that why my car ran a 9.6 1/8 mile bone stock compared to your SCT tuned Mark VIII which ran a what 9.7-9.8?

Um... I may be a novice at tuning, but even I know a proper tune comes down to the person tuning. And when it comes to software the Pro Racer package is the most versatile (and trouble free) to make the best tune.

The brand of the software makes no difference in how the tune works.

Really, SCT is better? Is that why my car ran a 9.6 1/8 mile bone stock compared to your SCT tuned Mark VIII which ran a what 9.7-9.8?

Ok... valid point.

NOW.. you post your very first and second timeslips from your very first trip to the track.

YOU want to compare your "best ever" passes with brandons first 4 passes EVER?

Brandon ran within .1 of my ET on his SECOND PASS EVER.

With some seat time...he's gonna be a helluva bracket racer.

HE WON ROUND 1 in a very VERY competitive Jackpot race, om his THIRD PASS EVER.

He, Glen and I were the ONLY "street cars" in the class.
brandon was the ONLY one that WON round 1.

but trying to squash the notion that SCT is superior tuning compared to Sniper. I've had both and am quite satisifed with my Sniper Tune.
.

You didn't have SCT tuning program, you had an SCT tune.

Now you want to compared a "canned sct tune" to a custom tune you wrote in sniper?

wait.. and you couldn't even get the speed limiter off, you had to have "HELP".

I can put a absolute N00b in front of SCT and in 10 seconds they will have NO speed limiter and they dont have to "BEG" patrick to fix it for them

Try to compare apples to apples, not apples to applesauce.

Jerry said way back when that his 11 year old daughter could tune with SCT.
But lookie here.. full grown MEN need help with sniper because the interface has "access" to LESS parameters than the SCT stuff does.

I know you really REALLY like doing things different than the crowd.
But your comments are very very biased.

Really, SCT is better?

yea it REALLY is.

Which sct is the one to use?

Do you use a laptop, handheld, or can you do both?

Where is the cheapest place to get one online?

Thanks

Im still up in the air about sct or sniper and trying to have a tune on it by the 4th..comments welcomed.

Which sct is the one to use?

Do you use a laptop, handheld, or can you do both?

Where is the cheapest place to get one online?

Thanks

Im still up in the air about sct or sniper and trying to have a tune on it by the 4th..comments welcomed.

the Advantage 3.0 software is 329.00
the flash device depending on where you get it, new they are almost 400.00

most sct dealers can get you both the flasher and the software for right AT the prices listed above.

you "could" pick up a used Xcal 2 on ebay, but there are risks associated with used devices.

NOw...if you want to HAVE the car tuned by the 4th.
you really aren't gonna be able to do that yourself, with EITHER SCT or SNIPER...especially with the level of support seen from the sniper crowd.

If your back is against the wall, you should contact Lonnie at Blue oval chips and get him to send you everything you need, which should include a tune file.

So its like 700 bones for the sct stuff?

Ive seen the handhelds on ebay for 3-400..would i need both?

why couldnt i tune the sniper by myself by the 4th?

My car isnt fast enough to trap 110 in the 1/4 yet, so that wont be an issue (ran 93mph last time when stock) and pat at sniper supposably fixed this, so when i got that fast it wouldnt be much to fix that.

Sorry for the noob questions but i dont have the slightest when it comes the obd2 and the software.

Basically, all i want to do is optimize the potential for power i already have, and be able to change parameters (gears, nitrous, whatever) at my house with ease and i believe both can do that...

Thanks for all the help. Your a valuable asset to the lincoln community.

An XCal 2 can be had for cheap on eBay. You can send it in, for about $100, to SCT to have it unlocked. Why? With most flash devices, once they are used on a car they are locked to it. So once used on one car you cant use it on another. Now maybe Tommy can chime in on this, but I think if the owner reverted his/her vehicle back to stock with the device its unlocked again?

The software you can not get around with price though. I paid full for it and after having an SCT chip (paid $310), I think this is the best thing I ever bought for the Mark.

The used (once) XCalibrator 2 I picked up for about $70.

Yes if the previous owner put the car back to stock, the thing is unlocked and can be used elsewhere. If it's locked, it's $150 to unlock it from what I've seen.

Thanks for clearing that up.

WOW I missed alot since last on. AS for sniper yes the limiter is now off on my tune but, I'm not sure what the deal is with this tune yet. It should be the exact same tune as i had before except the rev and speed limit deleted. Yes now the rev limiter is deleted not to work again. When I make tunes now I leave those options at stock and they are deleted. I'm not sure the tune is the same other than the the items mentioned before. I will have to check times at the track. And yes if anyone is to get sniper they would have the same problem as me. No update is be made and posted on their site that I know of. You will have to request help. All and all I am very pleased with the performance gains from the software. I will inform when I know more.

Here is the final thing I will say in the sCT vs Sniper debate...

When I make a change in my tune in SCT, good bad or otherwise that change is always made....

Just ordered a sniper so we'll see how it works.

Main thing was the cost, gf wants one for her car so i'll just split the cost and give her a bullet. When it no longer accomplishes what i need I might step up to sct but in the mean time it should do fine.

Just ordered a sniper so we'll see how it works.

Main thing was the cost, gf wants one for her car so i'll just split the cost and give her a bullet. When it no longer accomplishes what i need I might step up to sct but in the mean time it should do fine.

If you need any help with it let me know. As for the Sniper haters, i'll cya at the track and let the timeslips speak for themselves...

If you need any help with it let me know. As for the Sniper haters, i'll cya at the track and let the timeslips speak for themselves...

Again, if you knew anything about tuning its not about the "brand" of tune, its about controlling parameters.

If you need any help with it let me know. As for the Sniper haters, i'll cya at the track and let the timeslips speak for themselves...

Thanks man. Is there a preset tune that you use, did you make your own tune, or did you get sent a tune?

I registered to the sniperforum and im gonna ask pat to send me whatever i need to fix the speed limiter problem.

Also, would it be a bad idea to jack up the shift firmness without doing the JMOD stuff first? I have all the stuff to do the jmod just didnt want to screw anything up by being impatient.

I have a custom base tune from Pat which you can't use because you have a different catch code. And then off the base tune you build your Sniper tune with special forces. Pretty straight forward. I would set my shift firmness at "firm". You don't have to have the j-mod to use increased line pressure but I would make sure you have some fresh fluid in the tranny. I have it set to "race" but I would not reccomend this on a non 98 tranny unless it's built. You can fine tune the timing and air fuel tables but I wouldn't do it unless you have access to a dyno. Just run the tune sniper builds you, should pick up at least 2 tenths with it...

Again, if you knew anything about tuning its not about the "brand" of tune, its about controlling parameters.

Thanks for implying I know nothing about tuning. And thanks for enlightning me with your words of wisdom. :confused:

Thanks for implying I know nothing about tuning. And thanks for enlightning me with your words of wisdom. :confused:


what he said is absolutely 100% correct.

try not to be such a cry baby when people dont swing from your nuts..m'kay?

I'm not a sniper hater, it's just a "hobbled program" that gives the user NOT ALL the access they need.

Now your here, cheerleading people into buying something that "didn't work right for you", clearly by your posts on the sniper forum.

It did not work right out of the box, you needed a LOT of "hand holding" to get your tune done.
NOw that patrick SPOON FED you your tuning, you think your experienced enough to "help others"?

That's a laugh

Rather than admit your mistake and move forward, you would rather drag more people down your little pigeon hole.

GOOD JOB!

I have a custom base tune from Pat which you can't use because you have a different catch code.

Why not just have them send you the values so you can just load them up onto your base file? Sniper can at least do that, right?

What the heck does "Firm" mean?

Can you adjust your shift pressure based on a TP RPM table allowing you to lower the pressures at lower TP and RPM to give soft shifts around town and hard shift at higher throttle levels and RPM?

What about AFR's do you get to choose lean or rich?

What the heck does "Firm" mean?

Can you adjust your shift pressure based on a TP RPM table allowing you to lower the pressures at lower TP and RPM to give soft shifts around town and hard shift at higher throttle levels and RPM?

What about AFR's do you get to choose lean or rich?


yea the "firm" setting is gay.
I'd rather use "real numbers" and know what those numbers MEAN rather than just some "term" that is very subjective to opinion and preference.

Firm is to describe b00bs not tuning.

I like my boobs perky... maybe that is a timing setting... perky

well mine works fine and havent had any issues :D

the #1 thing I like about the tuning solution I have is..
you get access to over 300 stock values, and it contains your stock PCM calibration AS ford delivered it.
So you get to tune and..and also use the ford engineers data to compare to.

no stupid templates, no begging for help
If you know what your doing it's "ALL THERE"

What the heck does "Firm" mean?

Can you adjust your shift pressure based on a TP RPM table allowing you to lower the pressures at lower TP and RPM to give soft shifts around town and hard shift at higher throttle levels and RPM?

What about AFR's do you get to choose lean or rich?

You are asking for way tooo much there. It says "firm" what more could possibly want to know! LOL I do agree with that limits sniper have. I don't know the SCT side of this YET but the sniper side is limited for a person with tuning knowledge. With the special forces package anyway. Sniper has more advanced software such as delta force which I dont have. I was told that it is more in depth. Like the SCT some are talking of.

I would recommend this to a novice with no tuneing knowledge. It has made my car faster at the track Most of that is due to 98lsc32v. With the one issue of the speed limiter.

what he said is absolutely 100% correct.

try not to be such a cry baby when people dont swing from your nuts..m'kay?

I'm not a sniper hater, it's just a "hobbled program" that gives the user NOT ALL the access they need.

Now your here, cheerleading people into buying something that "didn't work right for you", clearly by your posts on the sniper forum.

It did not work right out of the box, you needed a LOT of "hand holding" to get your tune done.
NOw that patrick SPOON FED you your tuning, you think your experienced enough to "help others"?

That's a laugh

Rather than admit your mistake and move forward, you would rather drag more people down your little pigeon hole.

GOOD JOB!

You are comparing your SCT racer package to the basic Sniper Special Forces which is not comparable at all! You want to compare your full out racer package, compare it to the Sniper delta forces which gives you 100% access to your PCM. Sniper special forces is good enough for 99% of Mark VIII owners out there. Why do you need to have the SCT racer package to run 14's? I can run 14's all day bone stock or with an off the shelf canned tune from SCT or Sniper... why waste your money? Now if you had a built motor, supercharged, etc... then maybe I would invest in such a package and even then I would go for the Sniper Delta Forces which is cheaper and can do everything the SCT racer package can do.

I agree that sct has been tried and tested more then sniper and has more things available. However, to a n00b as myself the sniper is going to do exaclty what i want it to do..plus you cant beat the price (especially if you split it with someone as i did)

Once i get crazy and the car isnt a DD anymore, forced induction or what you may be i will be stepping up to a more sophisticated software...the good thing is i'll know more about tuning to utilize it better then i do now.

So for the 140 bucks or whatever i spent on this to be able to squeeze a few extra hp out of it, ease of use and being able to change pretty much anything you would need to on a stock vehicle...i dont see a problem with it.

Unless i get it and it doesnt work and sucks, then i'll be pissed and you will be the first to hear about it. ;)

I am glad that I have bought software that will accomidate me when my car runs 15's and will still meet my needs when I run 14's, 13's, 12's, etc....

Also... my total cost for the PRP and the Xcal for my Mark was around $400... So I am $250 in more than you and never have to buy anything again... so who really got the good deal here?

Me!

all of us as long as we're happy...

Where did you get the prp and xcal for 400? isnt the xcal by itself like 400?

I dont know anything about 15's (see sig) but the sniper is plenty suitable to get me into the 12's ...so that didnt really prove anything.

When i take it off the road and do a MAJOR overhaul is when ill upgrade to something different and get it on a dyno to get a real tune...and who knows how long that will be. Even then, I can always sell it and at this point 150 is a drop in the pool compared to what ive spent on it..and i havent even started getting to the good stuff yet.

This conversation is getting as dumb as the "should i keep the air ride or convert it" threads.

I am glad that I have bought software that will accomidate me when my car runs 15's and will still meet my needs when I run 14's, 13's, 12's, etc....

Also... my total cost for the PRP and the Xcal for my Mark was around $400... So I am $250 in more than you and never have to buy anything again... so who really got the good deal here?

Htrdlinc98 runs 12's with sniper special forces, what is your point again?

Htrdlinc98 runs 12's with NITROUS, what is your point again?


there fixed it for you!

there you!

Well obviously considering there hasn't been one Mark VIII that has run 12's NA to my knowledge. So is your buddy kustomizingkid trying to run 12's NA? Good luck... maybe with the magical SCT racer package he will be able to do it eh?

Can't we all just get along!

Just get two cars same mod's same track one sniper one SCT and run them. All this talk about this and that on times leaving out non stock items. Does nobody any good when compairing. But I don't think there is SCT tune problem thread. I would search it but SCT is Three characters. Everyone likes there decisions but we all can't have same decisions either. So here we are debating like old ladies at a daily southern tea party. Pour me another cup.

Well obviously considering there hasn't been one Mark VIII that has run 12's NA to my knowledge. So is your buddy kustomizingkid trying to run 12's NA? Good luck... maybe with the magical SCT racer package he will be able to do it eh?

no one said ANYone was trying to run 12's NA.

But I guarantee you one thing.

That n00b to dragracing KK will run as fast or faster than your car, with about 200 less characters in his sig file.

go find you some rice and do some of that "roll on racing" you love so much.

Welp.... since my car CURRENTLY runs 9.84 in the 1/8th I should probably just STFU.... but hell at one time long ago my buddy Russ was in the 15's with his Vic which is currently the fastest NA Vic that we know of.... and a guy with the initials JL had a 15 second Bird that now runs 12's NA.... So anything is possible and me, well I'll try and make it possible using SCT software :D

Lux, I bought a used xcal, deals are out there if you look around, ebay, forums, clist keep looking!!!!

no one said ANYone was trying to run 12's NA.

But I guarantee you one thing.

That n00b to dragracing KK will run as fast or faster than your car, with about 200 less characters in his sig file.

go find you some rice and do some of that "roll on racing" you love so much.

If you can run 13's with just gears and other bolt ons I am impressed. Gears and converter... should be automatic 13's not as impressive.

BTW, here is a link about some Cobra guys discussing the Sniper...
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1109223

i agree, cant we all get along! yes kid got one hell of a deal on his shyt, yes sct prp you can do alot more than special forces. but special forces is more the "entry level". it is limited on what you can do, but since im new at tuning and i got 2 ford obd2 vehicles why not. i havent used it on my markviii yet but so far so good on my 5.0 explorer. :D really woke the old girl up at 177k!!