I don't have a link to this but, just heard on cable news that two neo-natzi men in Tennessee were arrested for ploting to assinate Obama, many other blacks.
Guess it is already starting.
Bob.

Here: http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246538

I don't have a link to this but, just heard on cable news that two neo-natzi men in Tennessee were arrested for ploting to assinate Obama, many other blacks.
Guess it is already starting.
Bob.

There are many dumb :q:q:q:qs in the world.
KS

Bob, I get the impression that you're a little "too" interested in these plots. Not cheer leading but that you'd be experiencing something more than just "told you so" sentiments if some disaster like that were to befall the country.

The President of the U.S. always has a target on them.
A minority one would also draw the attention of narrow minded, racist evil fools would amplify the threat.
And one who has rejected Islam would also have increased risk.

If something like that happened, it would be a disaster. On a human, social, and political level....

I got to thinking this morning...

If Obama is found not viable for presidency if he wins the elections, he will naturally have to step down, right? Would Biden be taking his place? Is he eligible for the POTUS if the president elect is not qualified? Or will the presidency go to the Speaker of the house, Pelosi?

Either way, if he wins the elections and he's not qualified, we're screwed. They are all to the left of Lenin.

I got to thinking this morning...

If Obama is found not viable for presidency if he wins the elections, he will naturally have to step down, right? Would Biden be taking his place? Is he eligible for the POTUS if the president elect is not qualified? Or will the presidency go to the Speaker of the house, Pelosi?

Either way, if he wins the elections and he's not qualified, we're screwed. They are all to the left of Lenin.

I belive Biden would be next in line if Obama could not take the office.
Bob.

Bob, I get the impression that you're a little "too" interested in these plots. Not cheer leading but that you'd be experiencing something more than just "told you so" sentiments if some disaster like that were to befall the country.

Very perceptive of you.
I don't think it would be a great loss too the country, but obvviously because he is black, the black community would riot in the streets like they did when those cops got aquitted in the Rodney King trial.
That would be the sad part of an Obama assination.
Many inocent people would get hurt, and countless numbers of property destroyed.
Bob.

succession order: If Obama is elected

* The Vice President Joe Biden
* Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
* President pro tempore of the Senate1 Robert Byrd

then it would go to the Cabinet, this is the current Cabinet and I would have to think there is no one on here who would be carried over to an Obama administration:

* Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
* Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson
* Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
* Attorney General Michael Mukasey
* Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne
* Secretary of Agriculture Edward T. Schafer
* Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez2
* Secretary of Labor Elaine Chaos
* Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
* Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Steven C. Preston
* Secretary of Transportation Mary E. Peters
* Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
* Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
* Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake
* Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff

There are many 'threats' on presidential candidates, most go unreported, just curious as to the source of this 'threat'-

I do know that Obama and Biden have a very large SS contingent, much more than Bush or Gore had in 2000 or Kerry did in 2004 (I am hired to photograph national candidates at fundraisers by both DNC and RNC and affiliates). From seeing all this up close, I have no idea why anyone would want to live in a fishbowl like these people do, it has to be a somewhat miserable existence.

Isn't it ironic that the Bush Administration has thwarted an assassination attempt on another unrepentant liberal using the same tactics we use to foil terrorist attacks. Unbelievable irony.

Amen

Very perceptive of you.
I don't think it would be a great loss too the country, but obvviously because he is black, the black community would riot in the streets like they did when those cops got aquitted in the Rodney King trial.
That would be the sad part of an Obama assination.
Many inocent people would get hurt, and countless numbers of property destroyed.
Bob.

I agree with you 100%. There would be riots, looting & deaths. It's typical though.

Not political, just disgusting racist hate.

Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
Oct 28, 7:43 AM (ET)

By LARA JAKES JORDAN


WASHINGTON (AP) - Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials described as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people - 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects - Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. - Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

Cowart and Schlesselman were being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

Jasper Taylor, city attorney in Bells, said Cowart was arrested Wednesday. He was held for a few days in Bells, then moved over the weekend to another facility.

Until his arrest, Cowart lived with his grandparents in a southern, rural part of the county, Taylor said, adding that Cowart apparently never graduated from high school. He moved away, possibly to Arkansas or Texas, then returned over the summer, Taylor said.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, said in a written statement that he was was investigating the charges against his client and would have no further comment. Messages left on two telephone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not name the African-American school they were targeting.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville, Tenn., field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

An ATF affidavit filed in the case says Cowart and Schlesselman told investigators the day they were arrested they had shot at a glass window at Beech Grove Church of Christ, a congregation of about 60 black members in Brownsville, Tenn.

Nelson Bond, the church secretary and treasurer, said no one was at the church when the shot was fired. Members found the bullet had shattered the glass in the church's front door when they arrived for evening Bible study.

"We have been on this site for about 120 years, and we have never had a problem like this before," said Bond, 53 and a church member for 45 years.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence - so far - that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.

"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.

Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.

The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of the plot. Obama received a Secret Service detail in May 2007, the earliest a candidate has ever been assigned protection, in part because of his status as a prominent black candidate.

"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.

Not political, just disgusting racist hate.



Oh, no, NOT POLITICAL at all. :rolleyes:

And the silence from the McCain campaign denouncing this kind of racist hate on his behalf, OR his campaign worker's race-baiting, is deafening.

Question, Suppose instead of Obama, a white person was on the democratic ticket, and he was assinated.
Do you honestly think the whites would riot like the blacks?
I hardly doubt it.
What is is about blacks that when things don't go there way, they want to cause civil unrest?
If the black dude gets iced, God help the white folk.
An all out race war will take place.
Bob.

Question, Suppose instead of Obama, a white person was on the democratic ticket, and he was assinated.
Do you honestly think the whites would riot like the blacks?
I hardly doubt it.
What is is about blacks that when things don't go there way, they want to cause civil unrest?
If the black dude gets iced, God help the white folk.
An all out race war will take place.
Bob.

Iffen folks like 'yall were "in charge".......

If the assassin of a white POTUS was black, I'd expect there'd be a lynching on the White House lawn.

If the assassin of a black POTUS was black, I'd expect a "hero's parade" down Main Street USA.
:rolleyes:

Question, Suppose instead of Obama, a white person was on the democratic ticket, and he was assinated.
Do you honestly think the whites would riot like the blacks?
I hardly doubt it.
What is is about blacks that when things don't go there way, they want to cause civil unrest?
If the black dude gets iced, God help the white folk.
An all out race war will take place.
Bob.

Looks like you have your own answer Bob.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showpost.php?p=441449&postcount=2

Oh, no, NOT POLITICAL at all. :rolleyes:
So, YOU are stating that any racism is a political identification?

Two hateful, idiot teenagers who wanted to go on a RACIAL killing spree, not one to kill the Democrat Presidential nominee. The ridiculousness of their plan (white ties and hats?) is only over shadowed by the seriousness of it.


And the silence from the McCain campaign denouncing this kind of racist hate on his behalf, OR his campaign worker's race-baiting, is deafening.
And look at you, provoking the racial fires, trying to exploit this for every political point it's worth. One more time, IT WAS NOT POLITICAL. This wasn't to be done on McCain's behalf, you fool, nor would it benefit ANYONE.

This was racial.
The threat against Obama is the least serious part of this story. Those two idiots would never have had any opportunity to do such a thing. The real horror of this story has to do with the potential regular, unknown, innocent people that they could have hurt if their hateful little plan ever came together.

Obama is what's selling the story, but it's the most ridiculous part of their plan, they might as well planned putting a giant racist sign on the moon, because neither would ever have happened, that part is far less serious then that potential scores of people who could have become victim to their violent hate.

Iffen folks like 'yall were "in charge".......

If the assassin of a white POTUS was black, I'd expect there'd be a lynching on the White House lawn.

If the assassin of a black POTUS was black, I'd expect a "hero's parade" down Main Street USA.
:rolleyes:
Wow. It's not even worth having a conversation with such a hateful, stupid person. I regret I ever un-ignored him.

Fixed now.

So, YOU are stating that any racism is a political identification?


NO.

And look at you, provoking the racial fires, trying to exploit this for every political point it's worth. One more time, IT WAS NOT POLITICAL. This wasn't to be done on McCain's behalf, you fool, nor would it benefit ANYONE.

If there was NO mention of Obama in the entire plan, REGARDLESS of how rediculous it is, then I would agree that this was purely a racially motivated. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. You are WRONG.

This was racial.
The threat against Obama is the least serious part of this story. Those two idiots would never have had any opportunity to do such a thing. The real horror of this story has to do with the potential regular, unknown, innocent people that they could have hurt if their hateful little plan ever came together.

Obama is what's selling the story, but it's the most ridiculous part of their plan, they might as well planned putting a giant racist sign on the moon, because neither would ever have happened, that part is far less serious then that potential scores of people who could have become victim to their violent hate.

Again, if this was purely racially motivated, then why did they include Obama in their plans? Just because their plan was il-conceived doesn't make it apolitical.

If Obama gets elected, It will happen. It's no big secret.

NO.
If there was NO mention of Obama in the entire plan, REGARDLESS of how rediculous it is, then I would agree that this was purely a racially motivated. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. You are WRONG.
In order for your premise to be accurate, they would have to be motivated to kill the candidate on the basis of their politics, not just their race. Since a similar scheme wasn't hatched to kill Kerry, you're demonstrated to be wrong.

These same racist scum would be mobilizing if the Republcans had a black front runner as well. Politics, or political identification, aren't the issue here, it's purely about race.

Again, if this was purely racially motivated, then why did they include Obama in their plans? Just because their plan was il-conceived doesn't make it apolitical.
If the plan was "racially motivated" how could they do it WITHOUT a black man being the candidate??? What a stupid question.

The "ill conceived"nature of the plan isn't what makes it apolitical, the fact that it's motivated by RACE, not politics, IS.

These same racist scum would be mobilizing if the Republcans had a black front runner as well. Politics, or political identification, aren't the issue here, it's purely about race.


Following your twisted logic, they would've included at least ONE black / AA republican:

A
Claude Allen, former White House Domestic Policy Advisor
Akindele Akinyemi, CEO of One Network and Conservative Educator

B
Pearl Bailey, singer and actress
J. Kenneth Blackwell, former Secretary of State of Ohio, former gubernatorial candidate
Jennette Bradley, former Treasurer of the State of Ohio
Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
Janice Rogers Brown, a federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals
Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
Victoria Buckley, former Colorado Secretary of State [1]
Keith Butler, Republican national committeeman from Michigan, former councilman for Detroit, minister and former U.S. Senatorial candidate

C
Herman Cain, businessman and media personality
Jennifer Carroll, Florida State Representative [2]
Clarence H. Carter, Director of the District of Columbia’s Department of Human Services, former administration official under President George W. Bush [3]
Octavius Valentine Catto, civil rights activist and African American baseball pioneer
Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
Eldridge Cleaver, author and civil rights leader
William Thaddeus Coleman, Jr., fourth United States Secretary of Transportation, first African American Supreme Court Clerk [4] [5] [6]
Ward Connerly, political activist, businessman, and former University of California Regent

[edit] D
Oscar Stanton De Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, editor, orator, author, and statesman
Clyde Drexler, former professional basketball player

[edit] E
Larry Elder, talk radio host and commentator
Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S Representative from South Carolina

[edit] F
James L. Farmer, Jr., civil rights leader
Arthur Fletcher, official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush; considered the "father of affirmative action"
Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut

[edit] G
no one notable

[edit] H
Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Ted Hayes, activist for the homeless
Erika Harold, Miss America 2003
John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina

[edit] I
Roy Innis, civil rights activist, founder of Congress of Racial Equality
Niger Innis, commentator and activist

[edit] J
Wallace B. Jefferson, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas

[edit] K
Alan Keyes, former member of the Republican party and nominee for the U.S. Senate.
Alveda King, former member of the Georgia House of Representatives. Niece of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Don King, boxing promoter
Yaphet Kotto, actor

[edit] L
John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi

[edit] M
Lynette Boggs McDonald, Las Vegas City Councilwoman, former candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives
Angela McGlowan, political analyst
Donald K. McLaurin, mayor of Trotwood, Ohio [7]
Karl Malone, former professional basketball player
James Meredith, civil rights leader
Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Steven Mullins, Connecticut politician, First African American nominee for State Comptroller in state history. West Haven Commissioner.

[edit] N
Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana

[edit] P
Rod Paige, seventh U.S. Secretary of Education
Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, running for U.S. House of Representatives
Samuel Pierce, former HUD Secretary
P. B. S. Pinchback, twenty-fourth governor of Louisiana; first African-American governor of a U.S. state
Colin Powell, first African-American U.S. Secretary of State
Michael Powell, former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission
Jesse Lee Peterson, civil rights activist, founder of Brotherhood of New Destiny
Joseph C. Phillips, actor and commentator
Pierre-Richard Prosper, former Bush Administration war crimes official

[edit] Q
Kristal C. Quarker, Health and Education Policy Advisor to Representative Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI-11), 2008 Chairwoman of the Black Republican Congressional Staff Association


[edit] R
Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
Condoleezza Rice, sixty-sixth U.S. Secretary of State
Frances Rice, Chairman of National Black Republican Association
Jack E. Robinson II, former U.S. Senate nominee from Massachusetts
Vernon Robinson, former candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from North Carolina
Angel Joy Rocker, former candidate for President [8]
Joe Rogers, former Lieutenant Governor of Colorado, youngest Lieutenant Governor in Colorado history
Carson Ross Mayor of Blue Springs, MO, Fmr. Missouri State Rep.

[edit] S
Robert Smalls, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
DeForest "Buster" Soaries, former New Jersey Secretary of State
Thomas Sowell, economist, writer and commentator
Michael S. Steele, political commentator, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for the U.S. Senate
Sage Steele, television sports anchor
Lynn Swann, former NFL player, former Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate

[edit] T
Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

[edit] U
James L. Usry, former mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey

[edit] V
William T. Vernon, Registrar of the Treasury under President Theodore Roosevelt [9]

[edit] W
Dale Wainwright, Associate Justice of the Texas Supreme Court
Jimmie Walker, actor and comedian
Eric M. Wallace, Publisher of Freedom's Journal Magazine [10]
Zachary Ward, economist
Booker T. Washington, educator and activist
Maurice Washington, Nevada State Senator
J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
Ida B. Wells, civil rights advocate, co-founder of the NAACP
Allen West, candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from Florida
Armstrong Williams, radio and television commentator
Michael L. Williams, Texas Railroad Commissioner
Walter E. Williams, author, commentator, economist
J. Ernest Wilkins, Sr., Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower

There were MANY to choose from. But they didn't, so you are wrong.

{What is is about blacks that when things don't go there way, they want to cause civil unrest?
If the black dude gets iced, God help the white folk.
An all out race war will take place.}

To be honest Bob the race war started already, as soon as Obama was considered a real threat for being President. In London a black guy gets shot 3 times (once in the face, once in his hand and another in his arm) by an air pistol just for wearing an Obama t-shirt...Then these 2 idiots get arrested for a plot that targets 88 INNOCENT people.....Come on Bob are you gonna say God help the innocent black folk. All for what cause of the fear of a black President. Hate to break it to you, but your precious white folk are causing alot of civil urest, and I am very interested in why you can't acknowledge that.

http://www.topix.com/afam/2008/10/london-man-shot-over-obama-t-shirt-white-man-fires-three-times-after-hurling-racist-comments#comments

To be honest Bob you could never understand (not that you really want to) why blacks get so enraged at injustice time and time again, cause you are not black and you have never had to deal with issues that come with just your skin color alone. You can act like you don't see it if you want to but there is a huge double standard and racism will never go away because the small minded feel threatened. I actually heard an older white lady say she hopes that Obama doesn't win because then blacks would take over the world. So to me her statement is saying she is fine with whites having contol over the world and she is comfortable with that. Sad thing is there are hundreds of thousands just like her and Bob that is a fear that you will never know in your entire lifetime. To be honest with you I was a Hillary supporter, it didn't work out so I am behind Obama, although I wish could have atleast been the two of them together!

I have to agree with Calabrio. These dudes are ignorant sh!theads, ever notice the similarity with skinhead? And the comment about the white tuxes and top hats - were they on crystal meth?

If our President were to be assassinated it would be terrible for everyone regardless of race. That could be the tipping point to full on police state.

If our President were to be assassinated it would be terrible for everyone regardless of race. That could be the tipping point to full on police state.

I hate to be too cynical, but remember the end of the Movie "Head of State" when Chris Rock was giving his acceptance speech?

"My Fellow Americans....... <pop! pop!> " :eek:

The other line from that movie that resonates w/ the GOP:

"God bless America, and nowhere else!" :rolleyes:

Never saw head of state. Not really a big fan of Chris Rock, now Chappelle, that's a different story.

But, I have thought how scary it would be if on Jan 20 next year that happens. Every man for himself or what would be the rules on this one?

I don't think it would be right for anyone to kill Obama, I also don't think it's right for anyone to be elected president unless they are qualified. Obama is NOT! He is NOT a Natural Born US Citizen. The Government may even end up taking him out.

The KKK has said that he will be taken out. You can find the interview on youtube. I honestly think that it will happen if he gets elected.

People are out of their minds these days, especially people with access to powerful rifles etc. as I've seen in the pictures of these morons.

I hate to be too cynical, but remember the end of the Movie "Head of State" when Chris Rock was giving his acceptance speech?

"My Fellow Americans....... <pop! pop!> " :eek:

The other line from that movie that resonates w/ the GOP:

"God bless America, and nowhere else!" :rolleyes:

So you're implying that the GOP is a racist group again.
Absolutely untrue. You're personal hate, ignorance, and dishonesty shines through in every post.

You've made the assertion several times now.
After we debate this aburd point of your, perhaps we can go down the line and refute all of the untrue, unfair, and dishonest Democrat talking points used to SCARE minorities and special interest groups. Perhaps you'll say that Republicans want old people to eat dog food and die later too- but when challenged, only then say you were "kidding'.

I totaly think the plot to kill Obama was an act of racist idiots!!!!!!!


To be honest Bob you could never understand (not that you really want to) why blacks get so enraged at injustice time and time again, cause you are not black and you have never had to deal with issues that come with just your skin color alone. You can act like you don't see it if you want to but there is a huge double standard and racism will never go away because the small minded feel threatened. I actually heard an older white lady say she hopes that Obama doesn't win because then blacks would take over the world. So to me her statement is saying she is fine with whites having contol over the world and she is comfortable with that. Sad thing is there are hundreds of thousands just like her and Bob that is a fear that you will never know in your entire lifetime. To be honest with you I was a Hillary supporter, it didn't work out so I am behind Obama, although I wish could have atleast been the two of them together![/QUOTE]

:bsflag: complete BS !!!! If I went into a the "HOOD"black , hispanic or whatever ,parked my Caddy and walked into the nieghborhood bar ,my car would be stolen stripped or vandalized, I would be beaten ,mugged and left for dead!!! there ARE PLACES IN AMERICA where a white person cannot go,so now racism has been reversed, its all very sad ,2steps forward and 3steps back

I totaly think the plot to kill Obama was an act of racist idiots!!!!!!!


To be honest Bob you could never understand (not that you really want to) why blacks get so enraged at injustice time and time again, cause you are not black and you have never had to deal with issues that come with just your skin color alone. You can act like you don't see it if you want to but there is a huge double standard and racism will never go away because the small minded feel threatened. I actually heard an older white lady say she hopes that Obama doesn't win because then blacks would take over the world. So to me her statement is saying she is fine with whites having contol over the world and she is comfortable with that. Sad thing is there are hundreds of thousands just like her and Bob that is a fear that you will never know in your entire lifetime. To be honest with you I was a Hillary supporter, it didn't work out so I am behind Obama, although I wish could have atleast been the two of them together!

:bsflag: complete BS !!!! If I went into a the "HOOD"black , hispanic or whatever ,parked my Caddy and walked into the nieghborhood bar ,my car would be stolen stripped or vandalized, I would be beaten ,mugged and left for dead!!! there ARE PLACES IN AMERICA where a white person cannot go,so now racism has been reversed, its all very sad ,2steps forward and 3steps back[/QUOTE]

Let me see if I can help you out here.
I am as white as they come.
I grew up with the 70s integration/Desegregation busing... taking the white kids and putting them on a bus and taking them to school in a black hood.
I have been beat spit on called every name in the book because I was a white kid.

But I have never been pulled over by the cops and had to wonder if its because I am white.

I have never been told they picked someone else to rent to and then wonder if it was because the color of my skin.

"I bet all the money I have Bob has never rented to a black man....have you Bob?"

I think thats the point 2003lsv8 is making.

Gee Whiz, Golly---
Now I gotta speak up!
I'm a white guy. I've spent considerable time in the 'hood'. In fact, I owned 76 units of income properties, and not one of my tenants was a caucasian. I've never personally been threatened, although I've 'discharged' more than once to stop some violence. (Trees are a good target!) I even broke a shotgun stock once.

In Detroit, it's not uncommon to be stopped for 'driving while white'. I've been given a ticket for changing lanes without signaling, (no cars for several blocks), and told bluntly that he issues tickets to pay for himself and his car, and he 'gets' white folk when he can.

'The hood' is a different country. The city of Detroit is more than 90 percent black and Metro Detroit is the most violent area of it's sort in the country. I've gone EVERYWHERE and never been threatened. But it pays to be very aware of your surroundings and always have at least two 'little friends' with you. And I carry several reloads.
KS

"I bet all the money I have Bob has never rented to a black man....have you Bob?"

I have been renting my property for the past eighteen years, and I want to share a little bit about my rental experiences over the years.
Just about everywhere in this country landlords can not discriminate when it comes to renting property.
In our immediate neighborhood, we don't have that many blacks but, a few miles to the north, there is a large community of blacks.
We don't see a lot of blacks responding to a vacancy.
I did have occasion to rent to a black woman about four years ago.
After checking her references, I felt she would be a great tenant.
She had an executive position at Kaiser Permanente and, drove a new Totota Avalon.
This lady had "class" written all over her .
All my rental applications state in bold letters, "If you smoke any substance, the management will have to refuse your application.
When a perspective tenants signs that application, they agree to it's terms.
Well, roughly two monts after she moved in, I had occasion to do a repair in her unit.
The smell of smoke was overwhelming.
I asked her if she were smoking, and she stated "no"
I have been in this business for many years,and this is not the first time I have been through this.
She tried telling me it was air freshner.
Oh please.
Two days later she knocked on my door and apologized for lying to me, saying she was trying to quit.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and told her she had to try harder.
A couple of months later she ask me if it would be ok if her husband (whome she was seperated from) could stay a few days with her.
No problem .
He showed up a few days later, and that is when all hell broke loose.
Here she is, an extremely classy broad, and this dude looks like he makes a living picking trash out of trash dumpsters.
Diirty and unkept is the only way to describe him.
My feeling at that point was to each his own.
Well he turned out to be a wife beater as evidenced by the three times I had to call the cops on him.
To make matters worse, he smoked twice as much as she did.
I couldn't understand what a classy gal like her was doing with this low life bastard but, my patience was running thin.
In the three or four months that he lived with her, he brought her down to his level.
She lost her great job, the Avalon was reposessed, and now they were behind in the rent.
They fought a great deal.
She and I had developed a close relationship.
I really liked this woman, and felt very bad because of what was happening to her.
We talked one night when her husband was away, and that's when she opened up too me.
In taking him back, she was hopeful the seperation had changed him, but in reality all it did was fuel his anger for her.
I suggested she tell him to get the f..k out.
He and I had problems also.
On a couple of occasions he did damage too the unit in a fit of rage, and I told him to move out.
That of course enraged him even more.
It all came to a head one night when she showed up at my door with a large swollen black eye.
I said, "that's it, you both need to go".
The following day I served them a thirty day notice to vacate.
Later that day I was working in the yard and I can hear him saying "Fu..k that white bastard, let that Motherf....r take us to court."
I heard nothing out of her at that time.
The next day I saw her out in the yard, and told her we could do this the easy way, or the hard way, it was up to her.
I explained both options to her, and she chose the right one, and that was to leave in thirty days.
During those thirty days, they argued a few times and she told me she was going to get rid of him once and for all, that she made a big mistake taking him back, thinking he would change.
She told me that they had been living in Louisiana , and he was on parole , and had no right leaving that state without permission from his parole officer.
She called the officer, and two days later he showed up with LAPD, and they took him into custody.
She moved out, and I havn't heard from her since.
It was a shame what this woman allowed herself to go through.
She had lost it all.
Sure, this could have happened to anyone, white, black, or whatever but, this experience only added to the dislike I have for blacks.
I never had trouble with any of my white or hispanic tenants over the years but, rent to one black, and all hell broke loose.
Never in all the years I have been renting property have I had to see the cops on my property.
It was only when these blacks moved in that I had problems.
Obviously there is something too that, and it helped to fuel my dislike for blacks, especially black men.
Bob.

Let me see if I can help you out here.
I am as white as they come.
I grew up with the 70s integration/Desegregation busing... taking the white kids and putting them on a bus and taking them to school in a black hood.
I have been beat spit on called every name in the book because I was a white kid.

But I have never been pulled over by the cops and had to wonder if its because I am white.

I have never been told they picked someone else to rent to and then wonder if it was because the color of my skin.

So..are you equating being physically beat up because you are white to wondering if you were turned refused a lease of pulled over because of the color of your skin? I want to make sure I am getting this right.

It sounds like are saying that wondering if the color of your skin was the reason you were inconvinienced is equal to being violently attack because of the color of your skin. You gotta admit that sounds pretty aburd.;)

Since we are running with personal stories, I will tell what influences my perceptions.

I used to work at a juvenile jail here in Topeka, Kansas. The population was dispriportionately black (as is typical across the nation for most jails). I can tell you that, at least in Topeka (and I imagine most of the rest of the country) the lower socio-economic end of the african-american spectrum (where most of that culture unfortunately lives) has it ingrained in them that all their problems are someone else's fault.

Every day I was called a racist any time I had to crack down on a resident (juvenile inmate) who was black. If I saw them punch someone and told them to lockdown, they would curse at me and call me racist. Even when seen by me and caught on tape taking some action that called for punishment, they would deny doing it and call me racist for bringing it up. This was not incedental and occasional, it was the norm.

Often at the jail, the black inmates would get agitated if I even tried to talk to them, but if a black corrections officer talked to them, the inmate would listen. Most black inmates tended to have a chip on their shoulder and an inherent hatred of white officers. Again, this was not incedental and occasional, it was the norm.

I have known white people here in Topeka who have been beat by blacks simply because of the color of their skin.

Contrast those actions with some of the african american's I know who do have character and sense of self responsibility. The black corrections officers I worked with at the jail were some of the best co-workers I have ever had, as well as some of the most quality people I know.

A black pastor I know is one of the best, most honest and humble person of strong character I know, period. Considering that I view the vast majority of pastors or "men of the cloth" (upwards of 80%, IMO) as narcessistic and self-agrandizing, that says quite a bit.

The black community has illegitimacy rates of upwards of 70%. The culture is dispreportionately poor. This is not due to society or other external factors, this is due to internal problems in the black community and in the black family.

Race peddlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Farrakan and Jeremiah Wright play off emotion and foster a sense of entitlement and no personal responsibility, which is further reinforced by hip-hop culture and the welfare state (among other things).

"Race peddlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Farrakan and Jeremiah Wright play off emotion and foster a sense of entitlement and no personal responsibility, which is further reinforced by hip-hop culture and the welfare state (among other things)."

Shag, you forgot to add one name too that list, especially when it comes too "welfare state".
Barack Obama.

Bob.

There's bottom feeders in every race, not just the black race. I'm sure you can think of the derogatory names for each respective race, but that doesn't necessarily apply to every race. Each of these bottom feeders give their entire race a bad name. Now what percentage of each race is made of up these clowns I'm not exactly sure, but you can't put a bad label on everyone, as shagdrum explains in his story. A lot of the problem is social pressure to be "Black" or to be "Hispanic" or to be "White", and regardless what that person's morals and standards are, usually society(in their race) overrides any of that. I live in a town that's predominately white, about 98-99% White, and even the few Black people in the town still dress thug life and all that. Doesn't make much sense to me. They don't act like it, they weren't raised like that. It doesn't make sense why they still have to perpetuate this stereotype.

There's bottom feeders in every race, not just the black race. I'm sure you can think of the derogatory names for each respective race, but that doesn't necessarily apply to every race. Each of these bottom feeders give their entire race a bad name. Now what percentage of each race is made of up these clowns I'm not exactly sure, but you can't put a bad label on everyone, as shagdrum explains in his story. A lot of the problem is social pressure to be "Black" or to be "Hispanic" or to be "White", and regardless what that person's morals and standards are, usually society(in their race) overrides any of that. I live in a town that's predominately white, about 98-99% White, and even the few Black people in the town still dress thug life and all that. Doesn't make much sense to me. They don't act like it, they weren't raised like that. It doesn't make sense why they still have to perpetuate this stereotype.

With regards to the problems in the black community, I think it is (at least in large part) due to the predominant hip-hop/thug culture. The illegitimacy rates are staggering! The only black male role models these kids see in their community are usually simply a few years older then them and those role models have already been indoctrinated into the thug culture. It is also re-enforced in pop culture with the success and self-aggrandizement of the hip-hop artists. Add to that the message from the race peddlers that your problems are society's fault; specifically the white aristocracy, and you get a lot of irresponsible people with self-rightious anger toward the white community and the establishment.

With regards to the problems in the black community, I think it is (at least in large part) due to the predominant hip-hop/thug culture. The illegitimacy rates are staggering! The only black male role models these kids see in their community are usually simply a few years older then them and those role models have already been indoctrinated into the thug culture. It is also re-enforced in pop culture with the success and self-aggrandizement of the hip-hop artists. Add to that the message from the race peddlers that your problems are society's fault; specifically the white aristocracy, and you get a lot of irresponsible people with self-rightious anger toward the white community and the establishment.

Agreed. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are complete clowns. If there were a 2008/2009 Nat Turner rebellion they'd be the one's leading the charge. Rap music is a complete joke, I don't understand why people follow it so blindly. Through rap music we've established that the only way to become successful in the black community is to either sell drugs or rap. We've also established that the entire government is comprised of evil white people, and that all law enforcement agents are Klansman. I live in North Philly right now considering I go to Temple, and the occurrences I come across are pitiful. Everyone now and then someone will say something to me when they are in a group to try and act superior because I'm white. They'll say it in a quiet tone so I can barely hear them but them and their goons can hear it, and I'll turn around to see what they said, because some people are actually pretty nice and want to talk, and they'll just walk away or turn away. I don't understand the point there at all, it's just that thug life mentality trying to overshadow a person's true nature, obviously just not working. There's no reason to hate another race in my opinion, just the jackasses at the bottom. I didn't enslave your people, you were not a slave. I didn't stop you from gaining equal rights. Granted my opinion doesn't reflect the entire race, just the outspoken blatant racists.

Very perceptive of you.
I don't think it would be a great loss too the country, but obvviously because he is black, the black community would riot in the streets like they did when those cops got aquitted in the Rodney King trial.
That would be the sad part of an Obama assination.
Many inocent people would get hurt, and countless numbers of property destroyed.
Bob.
Very perceptive of you.

Very perceptive of you.

I get the feeling you don't think that would happen if the dude waqs iced?
What do you think would happen?
I think there are enough white supremicist groups in this country that would make damed sure a black is never elected president.
I have read on other forums that the KKK is plotting something.
I have no way, nor do any of us , as to just how true this may be, but I certainly belive they have the resources to carry out an assination. and it wouldn't come as a shock if he were iced.
Bob.

I didnt realize there was so many racists on this site,,,it only takes a blackman possible being in charge to findout who is who ,, by the way white men have been in charge for along time and they have f'd up the world for along time ,,LOL !

I lived in North Philly (22nd & Tioga,,19th & dolphine)for along time and trust me,,the people there dont just pick on white people ,,,they prey on the weak ! Its called servival of the fittist,, your walkn' around looking like you dont belong and you will get your but kicked period !

But I do understand you shouldnt have to worry about getting beat up ,,which is true..

Life is not fair and the weak will be preyed upon.

The blacks are trying to get there turn to be strong ,,thats all ..attemps on obama's life was a given,,he knew it was coming ,,m.l.king knew it ,,j.f.kennedy knew it ,, malcom x knew it ,,even abe lincoln knew it ,, they all knew it was coming when they spoke out ! That is the way it goes with scared people and enough stupid people back them ...I know I pissed some people off but Im sorry its true.

PS ,,THEY NEVER BUSSED WHITE KIDS TO A BLACK "HOOD" ,,THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING TRUE ,,THEY WERE SCARED THOSE ANIMALS WOULD HURT THEIR LILLY WHITE BUTTS ...STOP THE MADNESS !

"PS ,,THEY NEVER BUSSED WHITE KIDS TO A BLACK "HOOD" ,,THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING TRUE ,,THEY WERE SCARED THOSE ANIMALS WOULD HURT THEIR LILLY WHITE BUTTS ...STOP THE MADNESS !"

You are 100% wrong about that .
They are doing it here in Los Angeles, and have been for years..
If you don't belive this, you might want to google the fact about bussing in Los Angeles, then maybe you will retract your rediculous statement.
Bob.

You've presented the black community you live in as being a state of nature. Where there are no rules of civilization just the survival of the fittest. Life being brutish,nasty, and short.

If that isn't an indictment of your community, I don't know what else is.

It's interesting how you mention how "white men" are in charge and have messed things up. Care to discuss the local governments in the neighborhoods you've just described?

It speaks nothing of the race of people living in that community, only the shared sub-culture.

And lastly, they did ship black kids into white schools and some unfortunate white kids did get bussed to black schools- and many DID get their "lilly white butts" hurt.

And lastly, they did ship black kids into white schools and some unfortunate white kids did get bussed to black schools- and many DID get their "lilly white butts" hurt.

It went both ways, it started in 7th grade we were bused to a school in a black community... some of the black kids were bused into a white community.

I can't tell you what it was like for the kids at the white schools, but all hell broke out in the school we were bused to.
Bryant jr high its on 3rd ave. right off of 35w it's black community and still is.

We were a very close knit group of white kids, We had to be... you never wanted to be caught alone.

I still have friends form that group we went though hell.

After that we were shiped to Central high School the same school Prince came out of. The area is as bad as south Mpls gets.
By that age we knew how to deal with the problems as they came up.
We still never went anywere alone.
I guess we got street smart.

Shag,
The point I was trying to make is there is some racism in every group, Anyone can be hated for the color of their skin.
If a black man has to apply for a job or a place to live and the person they apply to is white and they are rejected the black friends I have with will wonder if its because they are black hell they will assume its because they are black, this is how it was explained to me when the subject of comes up with the black friends I have.
I for one never have that problem, I am whitie :)


Ken on the other hand... well he has to be the first white guy I know who was pulled over for his skin color.
It sounds like he can take care of himself. :eek:

Getting back to the original subject of this post, do you think the possibility is high or low that if elected, Obama may be assinated.?
I think he will be, and that prediction is a high possibility .
Bob.

The point I was trying to make is there is some racism in every group, Anyone can be hated for the color of their skin.

Agreed. Your example just seemed, in a wierd way, kinda lopsided to me, and it was funny. Wasn't sure if I was takin it wrong, but I figured I would at least point it out.;)

If a black man has to apply for a job or a place to live and the person they apply to is white and they are rejected the black friends I have with will wonder if its because they are black hell they will assume its because they are black, this is how it was explained to me when the subject of comes up with the black friends I have.
I for one never have that problem, I am whitie :)

My question would be;
At what point does wondering if racism was a factor become racial paranoia that can actually lead to racism from the minority person?

"My question would be;
At what point does wondering if racism was a factor become racial paranoia that can actually lead to racism from the minority person?"

If I understand your question correctly, I would say, from the gitgo.
Blacks, because of this "builtin in premis" think that because of slavery, which happened two hundred years ago, they are owed something from white people, and when confronted with a situation where they are the source of any inquiry, they automatically feel that before one word is said, they are going to be discriminated against because they are black.
It is a built in reaction.
Bob.

I try to live my life in such a way that I can judge all those around me individually. I DON"T FEEL NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY ETHNIC GROUP. But some ethnic groups have a disproportionate degree of difficulty and negativeness inherant. The reasons for this are extremely complicated. I speak as one who has an AB in Sociology.
KS

"My question would be;
At what point does wondering if racism was a factor become racial paranoia that can actually lead to racism from the minority person?"

If I understand your question correctly, I would say, from the gitgo.
Blacks, because of this "builtin in premis" think that because of slavery, which happened two hundred years ago, they are owed something from white people, and when confronted with a situation where they are the source of any inquiry, they automatically feel that before one word is said, they are going to be discriminated against because they are black.
It is a built in reaction.
Bob.

A black man would wonder if he was applying for a place to live form Bob.
It wouldnt be paranoia he wouldn't get the place BECAUSE he is black.
Which proves my point.
If he has ran into enough Bob's he is going to assume its because he is black not from something that happened a 100 years ago but things that still happen today.

If he was white he would have the place, end of story.

I am sure after a while paranoia would set in reversing the racism.
My question would be is it justified ?

A black man would wonder if he was applying for a place to live form Bob.
It wouldnt be paranoia he wouldn't get the place BECAUSE he is black.
Which proves my point.
If he has ran into enough Bob's he is going to assume its because he is black not from something that happened a 100 years ago but things that still happen today.

Something like racism is never going to go away completely. It's like all negative things in this world; war, famine, poverty, etc. etc...

However, that type of institutional racism (to the detriment of blacks) doesn't exist (in a broad sense) in america today. What happens is incedental examples (like what you cite here) are played up to make it seem like racism against african-american's is still broadly institutional and that the system is keeping them down. The people playing up these incedents are the race peddlers mentioned earlier.

These race peddlers even play up and manufacture incidents to keep the black community racially paranoia. The peddlers play off of white guilt and black hatred to fan the flames and the media tends to echo it. Often these incidents turn out to not be in any way racist.

You must ask yourself; if institutional racism exists, then why are so many other minorities able to make it here in america. Even african or other dark skinned immigrants who come to this country are very successful and able to live a happy life. they don't find any type of "institutional racism" keeping them down.

An occasional incident of racism that inconvinences you does not justify the racial paranoia and hatred towards whites that is coming from large portions of the african american community.

"I am sure after a while paranoia would set in reversing the racism.
My question would be is it justified ?"

Not only is it justified, but it is happening.
Take the statements by Michell Obama.
"For the first time in my life I am proud of my country", then the statement given on tape about getting back at "whitey".
Yes, I would say it is happening.
There is no monopoly on racism.
It isn't just a white thing.
It is present when, and whereever different races come together.
Bob.

Something like racism is never going to go away completely. It's like all negative things in this world; war, famine, poverty, etc. etc...

However, that type of institutional racism (to the detriment of blacks) doesn't exist (in a broad sense) in america today.

Thats a broad statement.
It happens...... how much you will never never know because its not overt.
I am sure some areas are worse then others.
Do you think racists like Bob tell the person they wont get the place because they are black ?
Do you think Bob is one of a kind ?
So you are putting me in bed with the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ?
A race peddler ?
Nice try for a smear.
Pull your head out of the sand Shag
I am sure after a while paranoia would set in reversing the racism.
My question would be is it justified ?
No reply to the question ? Oh thats right it dosen't happen right ? :rolleyes:

Ok,,Ok ...Im back !
To:bob
Re:
"They are doing it here in Los Angeles, and have been for years..
If you don't belive this, you might want to google the fact about bussing in Los Angeles, then maybe you will retract your rediculous statement.
Bob."
Ans:
I was not able to find information on kids getting bussed to black areas ,,,
but if they were (and from the postings it may have happened),,the only "rediculous" thing about that is the black kids have one book for 42 kids in a class,,why would anyone want to send there kids to a school like that on purpose..the black kids parents have been trying to get a fair shake in education since,and before "The Brown vs The Board of Education",,,,and it still not even close..

In my life time I have had the chance to live in both the best and the worst areas of Philadelphia PA, Cherry Hill NJ, Centerville MS, Las Vegas NV and one thing they have in common ...THE SCHOOLS SUCK IN THE BLACK AREAS !


To: Calabrio
Re:
"It's interesting how you mention how "white men" are in charge and have messed things up. Care to discuss the local governments in the neighborhoods you've just described? "
Ans:
The local government are white guys,,who even when a black person is in a position to do something good for the neighborhoods they handicap them with BS regulations.

P.S. Glenn Beck is a over paided fool who is also a raving racists idiot,,,who trys to pretend like he is not ,,,check the rest of youtube...(even the devil can resite a verse for this own purpose)
YouTube - Media Moron: Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I4DuJnx-Ws)
ALSO:
"It speaks nothing of the race of people living in that community, only the shared sub-culture"
Ans:
The majority of the people up to this point in that community are black and have not been welcome to share in the mass culture that is white people,,so that is all they know ,,besides the white people lived there first and moved away after all the dark faces moved in ,,
Besides I already mentioned that this not the correct thing to do ,,maybe you got pissed and missed that part ..

To:Cammerfe
Re: "I speak as one who has an AB in Sociology."
Ans: you dont have to go in 40-50k debit to know that...LOL


All I'm saying is that,,,,the world is not fair,,,and black people are trying to get there turn at the wheel ,,,,,even if the car is going over a cliff,,,LOL

And I've seen first hand the good and bad of the U.S. ,,,,from my dad walking down the street and some white guy screamin "whose white kids do you have" ,,to the people in the white neighborhood we lived in ,putting out our house when it was on fire with there garden hose "

But it is the same $h!t every where you go ,,, Life is not fair,, any where you go !

Ok,,Ok ...Im back !
And having read your response, I can tell you didn't put much thought into your response....

I was not able to find information on kids getting bussed to black areas ,,,
but if they were (and from the postings it may have happened),,the only "rediculous" thing about that is the black kids have one book for 42 kids in a class,,why would anyone want to send there kids to a school like that on purpose..the black kids parents have been trying to get a fair shake in education since,and before "The Brown vs The Board of Education",,,,and it still not even close..
Schools are the product of local government.
Some of the worst schools in this country, ones you are refering to, spend more per student than anywhere else. It's not about money, it's a local issue. You can't keep passing the blame off forever, eventually the education a child because the responsibility of the community and the parents.

..THE SCHOOLS SUCK IN THE BLACK AREAS !
And that is a statement regarding the quality of the local government and the involvement of the community.


To: Calabrio
The local government are white guys,,who even when a black person is in a position to do something good for the neighborhoods they handicap them with BS regulations.
And you think that BS regulation is only applied when a black person is in charge? You're deliberately vague regarding what "BS regulation" it is that is preventing black people from doing good for the neighborhood, but bureaucracy and inefficiency is a trait of government. The trick is to stop looking to the government for solutions.


Glenn Beck is a over paided fool who is also a raving racists idiot,,,
I disagree 100%. And I've met Glenn Beck on a few occasions.


The majority of the people up to this point in that community are black and have not been welcome to share in the mass culture that is white people,,
The mass culture that is white people???

so that is all they know ,,
Clearly it hasn't been working, so maybe some of those poverty pimps that "represent" the community should start looking for better solutions. Maybe looking at what some of the other minority communities have done to raise themselves out of poverty and not perpetuate an endless cycle of dependency and victimhood.

Or they can just lay blame and extort money.



All I'm saying is that,,,,the world is not fair,,,and black people are trying to get there turn at the wheel ,,,,,even if the car is going over a cliff,,,LOL
And they are entitled to "drive the car" if they wish. But they should get to the drivers seat by taking the same taste, and with the application of the same standards, as anyone else.


But it is the same $h!t every where you go ,,, Life is not fair,, any where you go !
Implication seems to be that it's a walk in the park for a hard working white person while a black person is incapable of getting a fair chance. This couldn't be more evidently untrue than it is today.

Ya know,there is an old saying, "If you can't beat um, join um".
It would be great if the black population would stop this stupid complaining, get off their lazy a$$es and start building lives for themselves.
They are running out of options.
Take advantage of all situations to gain the upper hand , just like the white folks have been doing for centuries.
Pi$$in and moaning, thinking because they are black, they will always be second class, and in some instances, third class citizens, won't cut it.
They need to think positive, and set goals for themselves, and not stopping until they are reached.
I can hear the comments from our black forum members already.
How can we get ahead and reach goals when we are being held back?
It is this stupid thinking that has held them back.
They, for the most part are defeatist with a capital "D".
I think if the blacks spent as much time in constructive purpose in their lives as they do bitchin about it, they would be a lot better off.
Instead of robbing banks and dealing drugs, get an education and do something constructive for a change.
The one thing I think is happening in the black community is, there is no plan, no group involvement for constructive causes.
These things are prevalent in most white communities.
The blacks need to learn how, and why many whites are successful.
I started this post saying perhaps the blacks need to join the whites, if they cant compete with them.
I am gonna say something here that too most, if not all, will come as a shock.
I can hear the comments already "what a biggot", What a hypocrite".
One of my BEST FRIENDS IS A BLACK MAN.
He lives across the street from me.
We have been friends for 17 years.
Now you ask, how can that be?
How can you have such dislike for blacks and have one as a friend?
Simple.
I don't think of him as black.
He is a white man with black skin.
He neither thinks or acts like the typical black man.
He is a highly paid executive with Northrop Grummand, and learned early in life that he would have to break the ghetto lifestyle.
He was able to put himself through college by working while going to high school, and all during college.
This is one dude that knew what he wanted, and did all he could to see that he succeeded.
He is now 42 years old, a successful executive, owns 5 houses, two new vehicles, numerous stocks and bonds, and just a great guy to be with.
We have talked many times about his roots, and my racist feeling toward his race.
He feels the same as I when it comes to most blacks.
They are holding thenselves down.
Last week, a symbol of their struggle emerged to become the most powerful man on the planet.
They should take head, and see how he accomplished this feat
The black communities in our major cities are living the way they want.
If not, they would work to change things instead of moaning we have nothing because "whitey has it all".
Instead of trying to steal it from "whitey" they would do well to find ways to better themselves legally.
They should realize by now, no one is going to give them anything, they need to get off their a$$ and work for changes, in order for them to happen.
I can hear it now, "would you hire a black?"
I would if he or she were qualified too do the job.
Qualification takes education, and no black, in a black community is going to get that education sitting on a stoop watching the world pass them by.
No one is going to hire a drug peddler, pimp, or felon.
These unwanted qualities are magnified in the black communities.
Until blacks make up their minds that there is no free ride, and they need to "get on the bus", they will never have anything but the meager existence they have now.
I don't care for President elect Obama, but you have to give the dude credit, he made the most of his life.
Blacks in particular could learn from him.
Bob.

I just don't get it.

OBAMA WON THE FREAKING ELECTION!

RACISM IS OVER!

So you race baiters need to shut the **** up.

I just don't get it.

OBAMA WON THE FREAKING ELECTION!

RACISM IS OVER!

So you race baiters need to shut the **** up.

NOT EVEN CLOSE ,,,,,HAVE SEEN BOB'S RESPONSES AT ALL...

One question:

What is "assinate"?

it sucks that people feel the way bob feels, I respect him because he doesnt hide his feelings and thats where my respect stops, i am a young black male, 25 to be exact, i have worked since i was 14, and majority of my black friends did the same thing. Its a shame that people allow a small population speak for the masses, its unfair and just wrong. It pisses me off that i risk my life everyday for people like him, people that judge me before i even say hi. I am sure i do more before 5am before most do the whole day and he calls me lazy, that sucks...

NOT EVEN CLOSE ,,,,,HAVE SEEN BOB'S RESPONSES AT ALL...

Bob didn't just win the election. GAME OVER, MAN. Let it go. There may still be racists, but you can no longer claim America is a racist country.

it sucks that people feel the way bob feels, I respect him because he doesnt hide his feelings and thats where my respect stops, i am a young black male, 25 to be exact, i have worked since i was 14, and majority of my black friends did the same thing. Its a shame that people allow a small population speak for the masses, its unfair and just wrong. It pisses me off that i risk my life everyday for people like him, people that judge me before i even say hi. I am sure i do more before 5am before most do the whole day and he calls me lazy, that sucks...

In all races there are good and bad, and some like yourself make sure they succeed.
I applaud you for that.
Unfortunately there are far to many in the black population that are on the flip side of that coin, and those are the ones giving the entire black race a bad name. You and I both know it.
I am willing to bet just from your short post here, that you take advantage of most opportunities that come your way.
Most balcks wouldn't know an opportunity if it hit them over the head, and that is their own fault.
I respect all who wander outside the realm in an effort to make things better for themselves.
It is this feeling that "whitey owes us" that really pi$ses me off.
So my friend, it isn't every black that I dislike, but I DO have to say, it is the majority of them.
Bob.

In all races there are good and bad, and some like yourself make sure they succeed.
I applaud you for that.
Unfortunately there are far to many in the black population that are on the flip side of that coin, and those are the ones giving the entire black race a bad name. You and I both know it.
I am willing to bet just from your short post here, that you take advantage of most opportunities that come your way.
Most balcks wouldn't know an opportunity if it hit them over the head, and that is their own fault.
I respect all who wander outside the realm in an effort to make things better for themselves.
It is this feeling that "whitey owes us" that really pi$ses me off.
So my friend, it isn't every black that I dislike, but I DO have to say, it is the majority of them.
Bob.

if u can say that, then i can say that majority of white people are "racist" but i would never say that because the few i ran into dont speak for the whole race! We need to get past this, i know there are lazy black people out here, but when will they stop being lazy black people and just be lazy people.

We are all one people, we are all americans, we have good and we have bad!

although i have him on ignore because i have no time to waste on people like Bob, i thinks its amazing how he sums up an entire race of people because of a few lazy seeds in the garden. Unless he was black he would never know what most blacks will or would know when an opportunity as he says hits them over the head. That statement right there just adds to just how he truelly see's any black person no matter what. As far as the bull:q:q:q:q comment about Unfortunately there are far to many in the black population that are on the flip side of that coin, and those are the ones giving the entire black race a bad name. You can say that about all races. Bob just doesn't like black people no matter what they do. FEAR is a beast when it comes to any man or womans heart when they dont take the time to get to know or understand where others values stand.

If thats the case there are people in every race that wouldnt know an opportunity if it hit them in the head. No one race is better than the other. racism will never die its just in how you move forward in your life.