Heard some more rumor mongering...

Appears Barry Soetoro/Obama could have 2 birth certificates from Hawaii.

His original Barack one and then his new Barry one when he was adopted and made an Indonesian citizen by Lolo Soetoro.

No wonder he posted up the b.s. certificate.

It is also possible Barry is a Indonesian citizen still and has held a Indo passport in the past or still does, which could explain how he was let into Pakistan back in '81 and

This may all explain why Barry's passport records were broken into (as were Hillarys and McCains) by a Barry supporter back in Feb/Mar '08.

"The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday. John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said."

Looks like Barry didn't register for the draft when he was 18 and may have used his Indo identity to get out of having to register.

This may explain why Barry has been so busy burying his past.

Ol Barry is starting to stink like a week old fish on the pier.

Oh Well. Never mind me. I'm just a nut job fruitcake who doesn't believe Obama is who he says he is or was. :Beer

Well, you're not helping your case by not citing sources.

I looked at the first 4 pages of Google News and found nothing like this.

Well, you're not helping your case by not citing sources.
I'm a nutjob. Why would I need to cite sources anymore? I'm just pissing in the wind for your enjoyment.:(

I looked at the first 4 pages of Google News and found nothing like this.

Hmmm, let's see. There are about 50 poeple in the world looking into Obama's past and you want to find it on google?

Why would google post it? They have already purged the Google Images site of all of the Obama certificate images. Google has become nothing more than a censorship site for liberals. Good grief. Try to keep up. Take a look at what YouTube does to conservative messages it finds offensive.

Like I've told you guys, you are better off keeping your heads in the sand. That way you won't lose sleep at night and you'll be able to say to your friends and loved ones that you didn't see it coming so your conscience will be clear.

Don't accuse us of keeping our heads in the sand when a) We've asked for verification of your claims and b) You won't provide any.

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.


But that would require having more than just hearsay to operate off of... ;)

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.

Why don't you redirect your anger at Obama and MAKE him provide a certified copy of his birth certificate.

All of this behind the scenes stuff is happening because the Messiah refuses to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate. And don't tell me the crap they put up on Obama's SMEARS site qualifies. The certificate number is blanked out on the forged copy so we can't verify its authenticity.

But that would require having more than just hearsay to operate off of... ;)

You are welcome to hop a plane to Jakarta. We'll provide directions on where you need to go to obtain some of the records we need. Like the adoption papers that got BHO into the Madrassa.

How about this idea? Go over to Honolulu and try to talk to Madelyn Dunham, (you know her as Obama's racist white grandmother who raised him). She is imprisoned on the 5th floor of a swank Honolulu condo high-rise.

"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..." -- Barack Obama

Why don't you redirect your anger at Obama and MAKE him provide a certified copy of his birth certificate.

All of this behind the scenes stuff is happening because the Messiah refuses to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate. And don't tell me the crap they put up on Obama's SMEARS site qualifies. The certificate number is blanked out on the forged copy so we can't verify its authenticity.Dude. Get a grip.

1. I'm not angry. Actually, I'm a bit amused by your behavior.

2. You're the one claiming that Obama's finished, all I'm doing is asking for your evidence.

3. Not really sure what the purpose of this thread is, if you're going to make unsubstantiated claims and then lash out at those wanting evidence and tell them to go dig it up.

For what it's worth, here's his probable source:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

The entire argument rests on whether Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. If not, then the entire conspiracy theory crashes to the ground.

But to Bryan, it's already a given that Obama was adopted:

His original Barack one and then his new Barry one when he was adopted and made an Indonesian citizen by Lolo Soetoro.

Of course the burden of proof is somehow on Obama to show that he wasn't adopted, which is impossible if he truly wasn't. These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup. What a racket.

1. I'm not angry. Actually, I'm a bit amused by your behavior.

Well why don't you get angry Mr Constitution upholder?

Why don't you defend the Constitution and require the presidential candidates to pass the very basic requirements to become Commander-In-Chief.

I won't hear one lib say they are offended at this breach of the Constitution because it suits their ideologicl mission. Hypocrites.

As for you David, I'm disappointed you have chosen to stay on the sidelines and support Paul and now Barr because it makes you feel good. Voting for the lesser of two evils is the only patriotic way to go. Sitting back and silently protesting is a sad way to let America slip into Barack's socialism, or as he calls it, 'economic fairness'.

I haven't posted close to a third of what I know (maybe suspect is a better word). Hillary's folks are getting fed all this info anyway and we'll see what she does with it at the convention, if anything. If nothing happens there, you'll see some 527s step up to plate if we can get the funding.

For what it's worth, here's his probable source:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

The entire argument rests on whether Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. If not, then the entire conspiracy theory crashes to the ground.

But to Bryan, it's already a given that Obama was adopted:



Of course the burden of proof is somehow on Obama to show that he wasn't adopted, which is impossible if he truly wasn't. These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup. What a racket.Good points. And in the meantime, none of this will make the MSM airwaves, which is supposed to be the point, right?

So instead of focusing on issues, such as BarryO's Marxist positions, which would actually make an electoral difference, we have to play these silly Mancurian Candidate games? No thanks.

These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup.

What a joke! Produce the G'damn authenticated certificate with matching serial number and this all goes away.

As a liberal, you should be offended Obama has chosen to use a blanked out certificate with a border no one else has been able to produce.

Put it up and we'll all shut up.

And yes, the guy on Texas-Darlin is on to something that has been batted around for over a month now. His twist is Article II that talks about 'divided loyalities'. Whether the case gets to the Supreme Court is probably asking too much at this time.

All I want is for Obama to produce his birth certificate. The only way we can make that happen is to keep digging and making outlandish claims that someday they will have to answer. Trust me, once the media starts dripping the story, they are all gonna jump on it, especially when the polls are looking as bad as they are for Obama at this junture. Dont' count Hillary out yet. She still has friends in the media and 18 million people that want to see the 1st female president.

Well why don't you get angry Mr Constitution upholder?

Why don't you defend the Constitution and require the presidential candidates to pass the very basic requirements to become Commander-In-Chief.

I won't hear one lib say they are offended at this breach of the Constitution because it suits their ideologicl mission. Hypocrites.

As for you David, I'm disappointed you have chosen to stay on the sidelines and support Paul and now Barr because it makes you feel good. Voting for the lesser of two evils is the only patriotic way to go. Sitting back and silently protesting is a sad way to let America slip into Barack's socialism, or as he calls it, 'economic fairness'.

I haven't posted close to a third of what I know (maybe suspect is a better word). Hillary's folks are getting fed all this info anyway and we'll see what she does with it at the convention, if anything. If nothing happens there, you'll see some 527s step up to plate if we can get the funding.LOL at the ad hominem. First I'm angry, then I'm not angry but I'm still wrong. :rolleyes:

Bryan, you really are losing your grip on your debating skills. To misquote Shakespeare: Methinks the Monster doth protest too much. Must have hit a nerve there.

Anyhoo, your 4th paragraph is an example of a red herring - distract from the issue being discussed, which is your apparent lack of intellectual integrity.

As far as "requiring" a presidential candidate to do something, how do you expect me to do that? I'm a voter, not a Federal judge. Don't worry, I won't vote for Obama, if that's what's got your panties in a bunch. In fact, if JMac picks Romney as VP and goes full bore on the drilling, I may vote for him anyway.

So go back to the drawing board and post something we can all believe instead of a bunch of conspiracy theories. Don't become a truther wannabe.

What a joke! Produce the G'damn authenticated certificate with matching serial number and this all goes away.

As a liberal, you should be offended Obama has chosen to use a blanked out certificate with a border no one else has been able to produce.

Put it up and we'll all shut up.

And yes, the guy on Texas-Darlin is on to something that has been batted around for over a month now. His twist is Article II that talks about 'divided loyalities'. Whether the case gets to the Supreme Court is probably asking too much at this time.

All I want is for Obama to produce his birth certificate. The only way we can make that happen is to keep digging and making outlandish claims that someday they will have to answer. Trust me, once the media starts dripping the story, they are all gonna jump on it, especially when the polls are looking as bad as they are for Obama at this junture. Dont' count Hillary out yet. She still has friends in the media and 18 million people that want to see the 1st female president.
And who's going to MAKE Obama produce his COLB? You? Who the hell are you will be his response.

Hillary won't do it without an absolute ironclad smoking gun, because if she does she'll look like Perot in 1996.

Without the help of the media, which has abandoned all objectivity in favor of becoming Obama groupies, you can accomplish little with this angle of attack.

you can accomplish little with this angle of attack.

B.S.

Are you willing to come up to Chicago for a rally if I can get a group of people together to protest in front of the Obama campaign headquarters?

Any of you other guys willing to stick your necks out to protect the Constitution?

We'll see who chimes in. My guess. No one. Sheeple.

B.S.

Are you willing to come up to Chicago for a rally if I can get a group of people together to protest in front of the Obama campaign headquarters?

Any of you other guys willing to stick your necks out to protect the Constitution?

We'll see who chimes in. My guess. No one. Sheeple.Honestly, I would, but I have sworn never to set foot in that anti-gun bastion of socialism and tyranny. Besides, I'd have to unholster my Glock to get out of the car, and that just ain't happening. :D

So Bryan, are you going to be famous for becoming the guy who cracked Barack Obama? My guess. No evidence. Truther wacko.:rolleyes:

So Bryan, are you going to be famous for becoming the guy who cracked Barack Obama? My guess. No evidence. Truther wacko.:rolleyes:

LMAO!

I'm gonna be the guy that defends the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Truther wacko... Sticks and stones my friend.

No evidence.:shifty: Stick your head back in the sand.

Why are they hiding the Certification number?

I'm a Thruther? You make me laugh dude. Seriously.

In 5 seconds this could be over. All he has to do is provide the front and back copies without the blackout.

I guess that is too much to ask from a constitutionalist like yourself. No wonder you became a Paulie.

Honestly, I would,

No honestly you wouldn't. Don't be ashamed. You are like millions of other sheeple in this country going thru life completely oblivious or not wanting to get involved. You fit right in. Nice and snug. No sense in upsetting the apple cart. No sense in sticking your neck on the line. It is much safer with your head in the sand. I completely understand.

No honestly you wouldn't. Don't be ashamed. You are like millions of other sheeple in this country going thru life completely oblivious or not wanting to get involved. You fit right in. Nice and snug. No sense in upsetting the apple cart. No sense in sticking your neck on the line. It is much safer with your head in the sand. I completely understand.I'm not going to get involved in a crackpot scheme with no evidence backing it, yeah. But if you truly, really think I'm a sheeple after all that I've said and done on this forum, you're a blazing retard.

Oh, and you can knock off the condescension routine, I'm not impressed by it.

Why are they hiding the Certification number?What would the certification number prove? Wouldn't you need something to compare it to as a reference? Do you even know what its purpose is? And if the whole thing is a fake, why didn't the faker simply put something in the number to make it look legit? Most likely the person who scanned it didn't have a clue what it's for either and just blacked it out in case it turned out to be something an identity thief could use.

You know, while this does remind me of the 911 truther BS, what rings an even bigger bell is the uproar over Bush's national guard records. There was, and still is, plenty of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the records had been "cleaned" prior to his campaign in 1999. Not to mention the allegations of cocaine use. Yet all it took to bury the story for all time was Dan Rather's incompetent and premature release of forged documents. Several careers were ruined, and no one ever questioned Bush's record again for fear of being ridiculed.

Do you see any lessons here?

1st rule of the courtroom. Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to.:D

What would the certification number prove? .It would prove if it was a valid number in the first place for starters.

Wouldn't you need something to compare it to as a reference?That's the idea sherlock. We could compare the number to ascertain where he was born and what year.

Do you even know what its purpose is? .
Yes I do. Partly... It is a 13 digit number that looks as follows: xxx xxxx-xxxxxx

The 1st 3 digits on the certification number indicate the City, Town, or location of Birth. Obamas' would read 151 xxxx-xxxxxx if he was born in Honolulu as he claims on his COLB.

The next 4 digits would indicate year of birth... Obamas would read 151 1961-xxxxxx

The last 6 digits probably reference the order of birth during the year.

Good enough for you!

And if the whole thing is a fake, why didn't the faker simply put something in the number to make it look legit? .

Because then I could go back and find the people that preceded and followed his number sequence which would provide proof of when they were born and compare that to Obama's fake number.

Most likely the person who scanned it didn't have a clue what it's for either and just blacked it out in case it turned out to be something an identity thief could use.

That would be a plausible explanation if you were blind.

Are we really expected to believe Obama, the most popular person in the world, is afraid of identity theft?

Keep it up. I need to chuckle. Laughs are good.

He's hiding the number because he is hiding the truth. Open Your Eyes!

It's not that I don't believe you, Bryan. It's that the majority of Americans won't believe it unless you give them a smoking gun. The media certainly won't help you. So what if you can prove it? What are you going to do with that proof? Convince me not to vote for Obama? You're wasting your time.

You know, while this does remind me of the 911 truther BS, what rings an even bigger bell is the uproar over Bush's national guard records. There was, and still is, plenty of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the records had been "cleaned" prior to his campaign in 1999. Not to mention the allegations of cocaine use.
I also remember Kerry wouldn't release a document on his war record, either, for similar reasons.

I agree with Bryan: just show the birth certificate. Obama's not doing that because there's not enough people wanting him to produce it. The more that complain, the more pressure will be brought to bear. Just show it and prove the naysayers wrong. Unless you've got something to hide, Mr. Obama?

For those that are defending Obama on this, why? If it's not a big deal to you, then don't post or simply state your opinion and move on.

Not one person has defended Obama on this. We're all just dumbfounded as to how Bryan's going to MAKE Obama show the birth certificate.

A lawsuit is already in progress to FORCE him to show it. I don't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy.:p

I just cant' believe ordinary Americans have no dog in this fight. Like the Constitution means nothing. That is the most troubling of all.

I dont' even have a problem if there is nothing out of order with his certificate. Bravo for him. I just want anybody that wants to hold the highest office to qualify, according to the rules. Is that too much to ask?

Guess so.

A lawsuit is already in progress to FORCE him to show it. I don't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy.:p OK, good luck with that.

I just cant' believe ordinary Americans have no dog in this fight. Like the Constitution means nothing. That is the most troubling of all.What a load of crap. This has nothing to do with your championing the Constitution. Fact of the matter is, you've become so blinded with Barack Derangement Syndrome that you will stoop to any and all methods, regardless of merit, to try and get him ousted.

You can't even prove that a dual citizenship would disqualify him even if that WAS the case. Just a lot of baseless assertions. There is no doubt whatsoever---thanks to your tireless research---that he was born in Hawaii. That automatically makes him a natural born citizen, hence qualified to run for president. Dual citizenship is not addressed anywhere in the Constitution, so it is not like you have a cut and dried case even if he did have dual citizenship. If he did, it would definitely go to court, which would likely cause total chaos, assuming it wasn't thrown out immediately. But you've plainly stated elsewhere that you would welcome a civil war, so maybe this is your ultimate goal.

I dont' even have a problem if there is nothing out of order with his certificate. Bravo for him. I just want anybody that wants to hold the highest office to qualify, according to the rules. Is that too much to ask?You're a damn liar. You'll never accept the fact that Obama is running for president. As I've stated multiple times, no matter what the Obama campaign provides as proof of his birth, you'll just find something else to complain about.

But feel free to keep wasting your time on this nonsense.

OK, good luck with that.From what I hear, both the State of Texas and State of New York are reviewing whether or not they will be contesting his records to make sure they are valid once he is officially the candidate.

What a load of crap. This has nothing to do with your championing the Constitution. Fact of the matter is, you've become so blinded with Barack Derangement Syndrome that you will stoop to any and all methods, regardless of merit, to try and get him ousted.Considering I believe Obama to be unelectable as it is, that would seem to be contradictory to my wishes. I want him to run. He will be beat by McCain. Hillary, on the other hand I believe beats McCain. So your comment doesn't hold water.

You can't even prove that a dual citizenship would disqualify him even if that WAS the case. Just a lot of baseless assertions. There is no doubt whatsoever---thanks to your tireless research---that he was born in Hawaii. That automatically makes him a natural born citizen, hence qualified to run for president. Dual citizenship is not addressed anywhere in the Constitution, so it is not like you have a cut and dried case even if he did have dual citizenship. If he did, it would definitely go to court, which would likely cause total chaos, assuming it wasn't thrown out immediately.The issue to be decided by the Supreme Court will be one over 'divided loyalties'. Plus, Obama being born on a boat has not been proven accurate or false at this juncture.

But you've plainly stated elsewhere that you would welcome a civil war, so maybe this is your ultimate goal.I'm more convinced of that every day. Obama certainly makes for good kindling.

You're a damn liar. You'll never accept the fact that Obama is running for president. As I've stated multiple times, no matter what the Obama campaign provides as proof of his birth, you'll just find something else to complain about.You are incorrect. I want Obama to run. But I want him to run if he is eligible to run. I'm a fiscal and social conservative. Upholding the constitution matters to me.

But don't worry. If he is legit, then all my efforts will turn to exposing Obama as a socialist and the harm that it will do to this country if he is elected.

But feel free to keep wasting your time on this nonsense.It is nonsense to you, we'll agree on that.

There is no doubt whatsoever---thanks to your tireless research---that he was born in Hawaii. That automatically makes him a natural born citizen, hence qualified to run for president. Dual citizenship is not addressed anywhere in the Constitution, so it is not like you have a cut and dried case even if he did have dual citizenship. If he did, it would definitely go to court, which would likely cause total chaos, assuming it wasn't thrown out immediately.

I will point out that the Constitution only says that a president must be a natural born citizen. Article II section I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen) says:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It doesn't spell out precisely what a natural born citizen is. to find that out, you need to look to U.S. law. What is the legal definition of a "natural born citizen"? The constitution doesn't give one.

When you look at the relevant case law, it doesn't clearly define the term "natural born citizen". It shows the limits of who can and cannot be a "citizen", but not a "natural born citizen".

The closest it comes to doing so is in the case of Dred Scott v. Stanford in which a dissent states:
The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, 'a natural-born citizen.' It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

But this is a dissenting opinion, and not a legally binding court ruling. Also, as the above link points out, much of the majority opinion in this case was overturned by the 14th Amendment in 1868.

In most instances, this would never be an issue, but Obama's circumstances surrounding his birth are rather unique.

In most instances, this would never be an issue, but Obama's circumstances surrounding his birth are rather unique.Other than his father being a foreigner, how is it unique? How is it any different from a child born of an American mother and a Mexican father in Oklahoma?

Other than his father being a foreigner, how is it unique? How is it any different from a child born of an American mother and a Mexican father in Oklahoma?

Father a foreigner and mother very young. That is the "unique circumstances" I am talking about. Those circumstances make it ambiguous as to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" without the clarification of what precisely constitutes a natural born citizen under U.S. law.

According to what has been claimed in a number of the links Bryan is citing, applicable law at the time was that in the event of only one parent being a citizen, that parent had to be a resident (or citizen? I can't remember exactly) for at least 5 years over the age of 16. Obama's mother had him when she was either 17 or 18 (if I remember correct).

I would like to see the actual law (or laws) relevant to this. Either a link to the law, or citation of the statue (and relevant numerical designation) to verify that, personally.

There isn't really any difference between Obama's circumstance and the hypothetical, "child born of an American mother and a Mexican father in Oklahoma". The only added factor would be the mother's age. The question isn't if that hypothetical child would be a U.S. citizen, but if he (or she) would be a "natural born citizen" as legally defined under U.S. law.

Lawsuits take time, Bryan. The election is in November. So...

If I'm Obama, I wait until the last possible moment, then I produce my valid BC, thus shutting up the lawsuit and the Manchurian candidate mongers, and I sit back and gleefully laugh at those who wasted their time on this rather than actual issues, because the election is tomorrow.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to defeat him in the election and hash out the BC stuff later?

By the way, there's a movement to declare McCain ineligible due to his ambiguous place of birth, as well. I don't see you going down that road.

By the way, there's a movement to declare McCain ineligible due to his ambiguous place of birth, as well. I don't see you going down that road.

Um, the Senate declared John McCain, unanimously I might add, a natural-born citizen, and eligible to be president of the United States back in April of ‘08. Although it is non-binding, I’ll stick by that for the time being until something changes.

In interested, follow the Fred Hollander suit…

http://www.fredhollander.com/McCain%20Complaint.pdf

Btw, John McCain did cough up his birth certificate and it was verified as being authentic. What say you about Obama?

You're a damn liar. I can't let this pass by without saying something. This crosses the line. It doesn't matter that Bryan seems to not be offended. This shouldn't be tolerated in this forum. If we allow it this time, more and more people will be calling each other "damn liars". I'm not Mr. touchy or hyper-sensitive. But that went too far.

Btw, John McCain did cough up his birth certificate and it was verified as being authentic. What say you about Obama?
I say if he's not a natural born citizen, then disqualify him. But good luck making that happen. We're talking about politicians here, the same people who had Vince Foster killed, yada yada yada. Hillary Clinton's caught on video committing an election campaign laws felony, and nobody does squat. It's just impossible to get these people. Better to defeat them in the ballot box and move on. I just think you're not spending your time as wisely as you could be, is all.

And to Kbob's point, I agree - Tommy, that was uncalled for. Let's ease up on the personal attacks. It's been fairly civil around here lately, and I personally take some of the credit for that since I've learned to stop name calling. :D

Yes,
Under most debate rules the first person to call the other names is a losing his/her arguement.
"You're mistaken", "You're misinformed" or ":What you believe is not true" or words to that effect would be a more appropriate retort.

You're a damn liar.

I won't allow members of this forum to accuse me of unfairly using my mod or admin powers against them. Just won't happen. However, if two members attack each other, then I will step in.

As we all know, there is a certain someone who used to call me all sorts of names and I never used to my powers to step on him and he is welcome back at any time to participate (at his peril, lmao).

I only ask that now that you know I am an easy target, to refrain as best you can from using your newfound powers.:D

And to be clear.
I don't like Obama.
I dont' like the media's support of Obama.
I don't like the fac that the media ignores everything negative about Obama.
I don't like the fact that he is not transparent in dealing with this election.
If nothing comes of his eligibility, so be it.
If I(we) fail to expose Obama, I will tact over to his socialist views of the world and beat him there in the general.
I think Hillary has a better chance to win than Obama.
Therefore, it would be against my 'interests' to see Obama disqualified.
However, to be true to myself, I will participate in making sure the constitution is followed regarding the most powerful office in the land, Obama or McCain.
If the same fate befalls McCain, so be it.
To be truthful, I can feel that way because McCain is not the guy I wanted to represent me anyway.
But when push comes to shove, I will NOT sit by and let the country slip further into the socialism rat hole.
Plus, I like my money. And facing a 30-35% tax increase with Obama at the helm is not appealing to me in the least.

And to be clear.
I don't like Obama.
I dont' like the media's support of Obama.
I don't like the fac that the media ignores everything negative about Obama.
I don't like the fact that he is not transparent in dealing with this election.
If nothing comes of his eligibility, so be it.
If I(we) fail to expose Obama, I will tact over to his socialist views of the world and beat him there in the general.
I think Hillary has a better chance to win than Obama.
Therefore, it would be against my 'interests' to see Obama disqualified.
However, to be true to myself, I will participate in making sure the constitution is followed regarding the most powerful office in the land, Obama or McCain.
If the same fate befalls McCain, so be it.
To be truthful, I can feel that way because McCain is not the guy I wanted to represent me anyway.
But when push comes to shove, I will NOT sit by and let the country slip further into the socialism rat hole.
Plus, I like my money. And facing a 30-35% tax increase with Obama at the helm is not appealing to me in the least.

Ditto.