More than a week after John McCain’s endorsement by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee, the media continues to give the GOP nominee a free pass.

Consider the following pronouncements by Hagee, the man who McCain proudly introduced as an ally last week.

On Jews:

It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.

And:

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.

On gays:

All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are — were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.

Hagee, of course, is also a virulent anti-Catholic, who has suggested that the pope is the anti-Christ, and that Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitism was the result of being educated at a Catholic school.

One would think that when a leading presidential candidate proudly touts the support of such a figure, the issue would receive close scrutiny from the press. But last week, once McCain assured reporters that, just because Hagee was endorsing him, it didn’t mean he agreed with everything Hagee said, the mainstream media essentially let the matter drop. Chalk another up for the Straight-Talking candidate.

That’s all the more remarkable given the high-profile grilling Barack Obama has received on the subject of Louis Farrakhan. In a recent Democratic debate, Tim Russert asked Obama to reject Farrakhan’s support. And in January, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen drew attention to the fact that a magazine controlled by Obama’s pastor had given an award to the Nation of Islam founder.

But so far, neither Russert nor anyone else at NBC News has seen fit to press McCain on the subject, and Cohen hasn’t chosen to write about it. And remember, Obama did nothing to solicit Farrakhan’s support, while McCain actively sought Hagee’s and appeared on stage with him.

We’ve asked both NBC News and Cohen whether they plan to, given their concern about Obama’s Farrakhan “ties,” and will let you know what we hear.

http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainhagee_connection_1.php

I've got news for you Max, most of what Hagee claims is supported and even blatantly stated in the Bible. So the author of that article is clearly a Christian hater and an ignoramus.

I've got news for you Max, most of what Hagee claims is supported and even blatantly stated in the Bible.

Sorry Fossten, facts are facts, Hagee is a Catholic hater, McCain needs the Catholic vote that's what got Bush elected and Catholics aren't going to tolerate yours and McCain's hatred for them. :D

Sorry Fossten, facts are facts, Hagee is a Catholic hater, McCain needs the Catholic vote that's what got Bush elected and Catholics aren't going to tolerate yours and McCain's hatred for them. :DThe article posted above that postulates McCain being anti-Catholic because one of his supporters may be is very weak. Obviously the conclusion that you're hoping people will make is that Obama's relationship with his pastor is no worse than McCain's with Hagee. One relationship is plainly motivated by politics (McCain), whereas the other seems much deeper in nature (Obama), and thus of more concern.

"Catholics aren't going to tolerate yours and McCain's hatred for them" ... are you on Jihad or something?

"Catholics aren't going to tolerate yours and McCain's hatred for them" ... are you on Jihad or something?

If McCain doesn't agree with Hagee's hate mongering against the United States' largest Christian denomination then he should reject his endorsement and financial contribution. It's a slap in the face to Catholics.

If McCain doesn't agree with Hagee's hate mongering against the United States' largest Christian denomination then he should reject his endorsement and financial contribution. It's a slap in the face to Catholics.Again, it's politically motivated. If Catholics were to endorse McCain and contribute, I guarantee there would be a high level meeting between Hagee and Catholics that would put this issue to rest. You could start by taking up a collection for McCain yourself ;)

Again, it's politically motivated. If Catholics were to endorse McCain and contribute, I guarantee there would be a high level meeting between Hagee and Catholics that would put this issue to rest. You could start by taking up a collection for McCain yourself ;)

McCain was the p**** who alienated Catholics with Hagee. I used to think highly of McCain until he openly accepted the endorsement of that shyster scumbag hate monger Hagee now he can shove it.

Max,

I was raised Catholic and my grandmother (rest her sole) was 100% Irish Catholic. I didn't see anything in the article you posted indicating McCain is prejudice towards or hates Catholics. If you're attributing Catholic hate to McCain based on Hagee's statements, your argument that McCain is anti-Catholic is weak.

Also, which is worse, Obama's support for a clearly anti-American, anti-everything white bigot or Hagee's supposed suggestion that the Pope is the "anti-Christ"? The bottom line is that I haven't heard McCain make one comment that could be deemed anti-Catholic and McCain hasn't supported a bigot like Reverend Wright for over 20 years.

The bottom line is that I haven't heard McCain make one comment that could be deemed anti-Catholic and McCain hasn't supported a bigot like Reverend Wright for over 20 years.

You can dance all you like but McCain, that useless loaf, didn't reject the endorsement nor support of the anti-Catholic anti-Semitic fraudulent snake oil salesman John Hagee. That little fat "preacher" (dare I call him "Reverend") is an instrument of evil an hatred and he and McCain can go to hell.

I think McCain 'donated' $20,000 to Hagee's ministry last year.

On top of that, he sat in Church every Sunday listening and nodding his head.

McCain also had his marriage presided over by Hagee.

Even had his kids baptized by the Christian hater.

And I'm sure they shared a few meals together also.:confused:

I think McCain 'donated' $20,000 to Hagee's ministry last year.

On top of that, he sat in Church every Sunday listening and nodding his head.

McCain also had his marriage presided over by Hagee.

Even had his kids baptized by the Christian hater.

And I'm sure they shared a few meals together also.:confused:

What was McCain nodding his head in agreement at?

I think McCain 'donated' $20,000 to Hagee's ministry last year.

On top of that, he sat in Church every Sunday listening and nodding his head.

McCain also had his marriage presided over by Hagee.

Even had his kids baptized by the Christian hater.

And I'm sure they shared a few meals together also.:confused:

Don't give a **** what other people did I'm a Catholic and I'm not going to eat crap so that old fart can waste the winter of his life in the White House he should have shown the largest Christian denomination in this country some more respect so screw him.

What was McCain nodding his head in agreement at?Bryan is being satirical. McCain did none of that, unlike Obama.

Bryan is being satirical. McCain did none of that, unlike Obama.

Well thank you for pointing out satire, because I've never heard of what that word means and had no idea what Bryan was doing. I replied with:

"Don't give a **** what other people did I'm a Catholic and I'm not going to eat crap so that old fart can waste the winter of his life in the White House he should have shown the largest Christian denomination in this country some more respect so screw him."

The point I'm trying to get across Kbob is that this Hagee guy is known for hateful, inflammatory remarks against large portions of Americans. The standards of acceptability should be applied across the board. Obama's preacher got enough press time. Many Catholics are far more insulted by this personal attack against them. No one's blaming you for Hagee. This is about McCain and his buddy Hagee.

Well thank you for pointing out satire, because I've never heard of what that word means and had no idea what Bryan was doing. I quoted Mac, not you. I honestly thought he mistook Bryan's post. Cut me some slack here, man.

I've already stated my point in post #4 above.

I quoted Mac, not you. I honestly thought he mistook Bryan's post. Cut me some slack here, man.

I've already stated my point in post #4 above.

Actually, I wasn't sure if Bryan was posting an anti-McCain statement. That's why I asked him to clarify what McCain said. I'm not too knowledgeable about this McCain anti-Catholic stuff. I just Googled for "Hagee" and now I understand who he is. I've watched Hagee on TV a number of times, particularly when he talks about prophecy and the end times.

I quoted Mac, not you. I honestly thought he mistook Bryan's post. Cut me some slack here, man.

I've already stated my point in post #4 above.

Sorry about that.

I'm not too knowledgeable about this McCain anti-Catholic stuff. I just Googled for "Hagee" and now I understand who he is. I've watched Hagee on TV a number of times, particularly when he talks about prophecy and the end times.

It's really frightening stuff. The guy's either whacked or exploiting Christianity for money; either is bad. The honest to goodness truth is that I had a high opinion of McCain before this, and like most politicians from both parties, he disappointed me.

The honest to goodness truth is that I had a high opinion of McCain before this, and like most politicians from both parties, he disappointed me.

Ah, but the question is... Do Hillary and Obama disappoint you more?

This is definitely the 'lesser of 3 evils' election.

We can only go from fair, to poor, to worst.

Ah, but the question is... Do Hillary and Obama disappoint you more?

Let me put it this way. Hillary and McCain disappoint me equally in different respects. I don't see Obama as the greatest politician ever, but I voted for him in the Democratic primary because all in all he's competent and not a Clintonista. If Hillary was matched against McCain I planned on voting for McCain until I saw this and frankly I don't know how I would vote in that case.

but I voted for him in the Democratic primary because all in all he's competent and not a Clintonista.

And you make that conclusion concerning his judgment based on what?

And you make that conclusion concerning his judgment based on what?

By virtue of the fact that he is a competent attorney. Look, we have to disillusion ourselves from the myth of the monarchical executive branch. It's an administrative branch designed by our Founding Fathers to be able to be administered by any competent person.

The fact that he is a liar has no impact on you, huh?

By virtue of the fact that he is a competent attorney. Look, we have to disillusion ourselves from the myth of the monarchical executive branch. It's an administrative branch designed by our Founding Fathers to be able to be administered by any competent person.

In all candor, I have never heard anything that would indicate Obama was a good attorney or even a competent one. He was an associate attorney at a Chicago law firm. Does that make him President material? Frankly, I don't have much respect or regard for attorneys- and I say that having a number of friends who happen to be ivy league trained attorneys.

Is he a better attorney than Hillary?

Does a law degree really represent EXECUTIVE responsibility, or simply the ability to disregard ethics and talk out of both sides of your mouth?

Should every attorney be President? Because it seems like you have a pretty low standard.

In all candor, I have never heard anything that would indicate Obama was a good attorney or even a competent one. He was an associate attorney at a Chicago law firm. Does that make him President material? Frankly, I don't have much respect or regard for attorneys- and I say that having a number of friends who happen to be ivy league trained attorneys.

Is he a better attorney than Hillary?

Does a law degree really represent EXECUTIVE responsibility, or simply the ability to disregard ethics and talk out of both sides of your mouth?

Should every attorney be President? Because it seems like you have a pretty low standard.

An associate attorney is generally someone who works under the supervision of, or with a member attorney. An associate attorney is the lowest ranking attorney in a law firm environment. It generally goes from "associate" to "member", to "managing" attorneys or "partner" who run the firm. Obviously, law firms can have their own ranking system, but in general to say that Barack proves he is competent to be president of the United States based on being an associate counsel at a Chicago law firm is a stretch to say the least. Many members of Congress are lawyers and some were high priced lawyers, but that doesn't mean they are competent leaders and legislatures. LOL

In all candor, I have never heard anything that would indicate Obama was a good attorney or even a competent one. He was an associate attorney at a Chicago law firm. Does that make him President material? Frankly, I don't have much respect or regard for attorneys- and I say that having a number of friends who happen to be ivy league trained attorneys.

I have a great deal of respect for attorneys and if you yourself went through law school and practiced law you would feel differently. The people who don't respect attorneys are the first people who demand an attorney when they are arrested. Fidel Castro made it a point to kill Cuba's attorneys when he came to power because he would never have maintained a dictatorship with attorneys and judges against him. Barack Obama is a Constitutional scholar and professor. He's not simply an "associate attorney". He's a professor of law. A scholar. And whether you like it or not, our great country would not survive without lawyers.

Is he a better attorney than Hillary?

Perhaps, perhaps not, but as I said above I do not like Hillary Clinton and I feel that the other two candidates are far more tained by corruption than Obama.

Does a law degree really represent EXECUTIVE responsibility, or simply the ability to disregard ethics and talk out of both sides of your mouth?


No it's a combination of things, but my standards for what a president should be are far more realistic than most of America. A president is neither a god nor a king. They're administrators. A president who understands that government should be limited from impacting the rights of people, a president who doesn't profit from his term in office or let his friends profit, and a president who stays within his Constitutional bounds and doesn't commit major screw ups (Weapons of Mass Destruction, NAFTA, Waco come to mind) is what I'm looking for. A lawyer who has passed his bar exam shows a certain level of competence. Even Mitt Romney, to me, would have been competent as an administrator if he could keep his corporate buddies from robbing the treasury.

If you want to know why I'm supporting Obama, these are but a few points and I don't have the time to go on and on. It's complex, probably as complex as your reasoning, but it's a reasoned decision and I hope you have some insight into what I'm looking at.

An associate attorney is generally someone who works under the supervision of, or with a member attorney. An associate attorney is the lowest ranking attorney in a law firm environment. It generally goes from "associate" to "member", to "managing" attorneys or "partner" who run the firm. Obviously, law firms can have their own ranking system, but in general to say that Barack proves he is competent to be president of the United States based on being an associate counsel at a Chicago law firm is a stretch to say the least. Many members of Congress are lawyers and some were high priced lawyers, but that doesn't mean they are competent leaders and legislatures. LOL

The associates do all the work. He was a Constitutional professor. Give me a break. I want someone who is going to protect my Constitutional rights. I don't give a s*** about their healthcare plans or any of that other b.s. You don't have anything without your Constitutional rights protected. You have people listening in on your phone conversations, busting in on your house, holding you in communicado, denying you your right to an attorney. How about not transporting you to a court when your case is to be heard or denying you to the right of a court appearance because of what? Denial of habeas corpus! Our rights are given to us by the Creator, whoever that is. Now, whoever is running for president and will protect my rights is getting my vote. Obama is going to protect my rights. McCain isn't. Clinton isn't. End of story.

Obama is going to protect my rights.

Obama wants to put you in the soup line with everyone else as soon as possible. Better bring a spoon.

Every solution he proposes is a 'government' solution.

He is an anti-capitalist.
He is anti-entrepreneurial.

What do you expect from a socialist?

Obama wants to take us back 70 years, to Roosevelt's New Deal.

Sorry! Been there, done that.

Barack means MORE government intervention. EXACTLY what to CLAIM to abhor. Nice deep thinking there.:(

Obama wants to put you in the soup line with everyone else as soon as possible. Better bring a spoon.

Barack means MORE government intervention. EXACTLY what to CLAIM to abhore. Nice deep thinking there.:(

McCain and Hillary will shove more government down your throats. Government spending increases under every president. Even Reagan raised government spending. At least I'll still have my rights protected by Obama. Nice try.

The associates do all the work.

Really, in what law firm? What work? Paralegal type work, including legal research and draft writing. To make such a broad statement is way out of bounds and is simply inaccurate. Associates generally work under member attorneys who bring in the clients. They are relied on but they are not the experienced and breadwinners of the firm.

Anyway, Obama is not known as a well-established attorney. He may be book smart but that doesn't mean he's a good attorney. Similarly, just because he's a Harvard graduate and professor doesn't equate to being the best choice for president. He's a socialist who is in favor of big government and raising taxes. As far as I'm concerned this is enough to DQ him.

Really, in what law firm? What work? Paralegal type work, including legal research and draft writing.

You are obviously not an attorney because you display a lack of familiarity with how the profession is run. So what qualification do you have to tell me what a good attorney is or isn't? :rolleyes:

You are obviously not an attorney because you display a lack of familiarity with how the profession is run.

You stand corrected and you have no clue. I certainly know about the legal profession.

You stand corrected and you have no clue.

Are you or are you not? What courts have you practiced in?

Are you or are you not? What courts have you practiced in?

What does court have to do with anything? Moreover, when I discussed what "associates" do I made clear it was a "general" statement, not the rule. You must be an associate with a big ego and you think your all that and a bag of chips. :rolleyes:

What does court have to do with anything? Moreover, when I discussed what "associates" do I made clear it was a "general" statement, not the rule. You must be an associate with a big ego and you think your all that and a bag of chips. :rolleyes:

Quit ducking the question.

Are you an attorney?

What states/federal circuit courts are you admitted at?

Quit ducking the question.

Are you an attorney?

What states/federal circuit courts are you admitted to?

This is none of your business!

This is none of your business!

Oh it is. You opened the issue. What makes you qualified to determine who is or is not an attorney.

Are you an attorney?

Oh it is. You opened the issue. What makes you qualified to determine who is or is not an attorney.

Are you an attorney?

No, you opened the issue and I don't feel obligated to play your idiotic games. You want to argue over what an associate counsel does in a law firm as though it's an established fact that associates do all the work, which tells me you think you're a know-it-all. :rolleyes:

No, you opened the issue and I don't feel obligated to play your idiotic games.

You sir are obviously not an attorney so you don't even have to respond because your answer and your statements indicate to me that you are not an attorney nor could you ever be an attorney because you cannot think like an attorney.

You sir are obviously not an attorney so you don't even have to respond because your answer and your statements indicate to me that you are not an attorney nor could you ever be an attorney because you cannot think like an attorney.

Whatever! :rolleyes:

Whatever! :rolleyes:

Your response is indicative that you are not an attorney, you don't know what an attorney does, you have no idea how an attorney functions, and what the career path for an attorney is. You sir are a fraud.

Your response is indicative that you are not an attorney, you don't know what an attorney does, you have no idea how an attorney functions, and what the career path for an attorney is. You sir are a fraud.

I figured you wouldn't drop this. :rolleyes: No, you generalize too much, which tells me you lack critical thinking skills. ;)

I figured you wouldn't drop this. :rolleyes: No, you generalize too much, which tells me you lack critical thinking skills. ;)

Insults aside, sir, you are still a fraud.

Insults aside, sir, you are still a fraud.

And you're a noob who doesn't know how to have a substantive debate.

Are YOU an attorney?

And you're a noob who doesn't know how to have a substantive debate.

Am I an attorney? Yes I am. I am admitted to practice law in the State of New York. You can't insult me. I don't care - you talk about personal attacks, you can call me every name under the sun but I have a thick hide. Keep it up all night it still doesn't take away from the fact that that man is still a fraud and so is Hagee and so are you. And I'm still an attorney.

[whiny voice]Am I an attorney? Yes I am. I am admitted to practice law in the State of New York. [whiny voice]You can't insult me. I don't care - you talk about personal attacks, you can call me every name under the sun but I have a thick hide. Keep it up all night it still doesn't take away from the fact that that man is still a fraud and so is Hagee and so are you. And I'm still an attorney.Well you sling insults and accusations in all directions and, if an attorney, certainly you suck at it because you do not know how to have a substantive debate. So you're a fraud as far as your employer is concerned.

So you're a fraud as far as your employer is concerned.

I work for no one. :rolleyes:

I work for no one. :rolleyes:

So you're an unemployed attorney? :bowrofl:

Or do you call yourself a "consultant?"

That's even funnier.

Or are you "of counsel" to any firm? Or maybe you fled the United States because you have outstanding warrants? Sounds more likely.

Or maybe you fled the United States because you have outstanding warrants? Sounds more likely.

Yeah, because the State of New York isn't in the United States. How does someone like you manage to remember to breathe?

Yeah, because the State of New York isn't in the United States. How does someone like you manage to remember to breathe?

I read by your response that you acknowledge being unemployed. Congratulations, Mr. Attorney. Please produce a photocopy of your license to practice so that I can be further awed by your magnificence.:rolleyes:

I read by your response that you acknowledge being unemployed.

My response never acknowledged unemployment Mr. Fossten (rather, Mr. Fraud). IPlease continue to donate your money to the fraudulent Reverend John Hagee. Maybe if you weren't so busy being a fraud, you would develop these critical thinking skills you're braying everywhere.

My response never acknowledge that I was unemployed Mr. Fossten (rather, Mr. Fraud). It was simply a "none of the above" to the choices you presented. Please continue to donate your money to the fraudulent Reverend John Hagee.Oh, but it did, just as Mac's responses supposedly acknowledged that he claimed to be an attorney. You cannot have it both ways. Keep it up, amateur. :rolleyes:

Oh, but it did, just as Mac's responses supposedly acknowledged that he claimed to be an attorney. You cannot have it both ways. Keep it up, amateur. :rolleyes:

Amateur is what you are. You type away because you're an angry, white coward, incapable of debate. I debate for hire. No sir, that is not the definition of an amateur. This Mac of yours claimed to be an attorney, was asked to verify, and ran away like a coward because he knew he would be facing serious penalties for fraudulently claiming to be an attorney.

I work for no one. :rolleyes:

A sole practitioner because no one will hire you. It's obvious by your attitude that you couldn't handle working for a firm because you have an ego the size of the entire state of New York. I know your type--can't stand to be told you're wrong, like to criticize others, must have it your way, etc. Just a regular weekend warrior--the proverbial legend in his own mind! :rolleyes:

Amateur is what you are. You type away because you're an angry, white coward, incapable of debate. I debate for hire. No sir, that is not the definition of an amateur. This Mac of yours claimed to be an attorney, was asked to verify, and ran away like a coward because he knew he would be facing serious penalties for fraudulently claiming to be an attorney.
PENALTIES??? You have got to be the biggest idiot that has ever walked the earth. You are no attorney. :bowrofl:

First of all, please show me the quote where he claimed to be an attorney.

Second, you still have not demonstrated any facts to PROVE that I am a fraud.

Shall I start the Jeopardy music? :rolleyes:

And what's the big deal about my color, hmmm Mr. Racist?

Keep it up, you're doing great, troll.

PENALTIES??? You have got to be the biggest idiot that has ever walked the earth. You are no attorney. :bowrofl:

Go ahead, hold yourself out as an attorney. Try it. The penalties incurred will be far more severe than the mind numbing penalties of reading your drivel.

Go ahead, hold yourself out as an attorney. Try it. The penalties incurred will be far more severe than the mind numbing penalties of reading your drivel.I'm still waiting to be exposed as a fraud. And I'm still waiting for proof that you're an attorney. The very fact that you won't produce it proves that you are a coward and a fraud, based on your logic - which wouldn't get you a 3-digit score on the LSAT.

I'm still waiting to be exposed as a fraud.

You are a fraud for perpetuating a fraud. You sir are a disgrace to this country.

You are a fraud for perpetuating a fraud. You sir are a disgrace to this country.Boring and inscrutable. Unlike you, I am employed, and I have to get up and go to work tomorrow, so I shall retire for sleep.

I guess you'll probably be up at the crack of noon, ready for more keyboard warrioring. :rolleyes: Cheers!

Boring and inscrutable. Unlike you, I am employed, and I have to get up and go to work tomorrow, so I shall retire for sleep.

I guess you'll probably be up at the crack of noon, ready for more keyboard warrioring. :rolleyes: Cheers!

I suppose your employer, or the person who employs the company or wherever you work (the owner let's say) is unemployed. Haven't quite gotten a grasp on English it seems, the very language you want to be the official language of our nation. Well I'm going to tell you what you tell every immigrant: Learn to speak English. Believe it or not, words have meanings. Attorneys are attorneys, Catholics are Christians, and frauds are frauds. Rest well, your employer will be waiting for you to punch in your time card on time or you're fired.

Amateur is what you are. You type away because you're an angry, white coward, incapable of debate. I debate for hire. No sir, that is not the definition of an amateur. This Mac of yours claimed to be an attorney, was asked to verify, and ran away like a coward because he knew he would be facing serious penalties for fraudulently claiming to be an attorney.

You have no clue! :D

You have no clue! :D

Fraud. It is clear that you have no standing to speak on legal issues.

Go ahead, hold yourself out as an attorney. Try it. The penalties incurred will be far more severe than the mind numbing penalties of reading your drivel.

You have no clue! In Arizona, for example, even if one holds himself/herself out to be an attorney that does not necessarily constitute unlawful practice of law--Put your thinking cap on now. :D And generally speaking, state law varies somewhat and usually a person must falsely represent oneself to be an attorney, seek a fee for unlawful services, and/or falsely represent oneself to be an attorney before an adjudicative body. As for paralegals and those working law firm or legal department, the standard is to have these individuals supervised by a licensed attorney. Even prison inmates can draw-up legal documents for another inmate and it's allowed.

Well, I am not an attorney. But I've been sitting here surfing the net and checking out this forum off and on for a couple of hours and honestly there has been little if any progress. So really, what does being an attorney have to do with the discussion? Most of the guys on this site aren't mechanics, but that doesn't mean they don't know a thing or two about cars.

Well, I am not an attorney. But I've been sitting here surfing the net and checking out this forum off and on for a couple of hours and honestly there has been little if any progress. So really, what does being an attorney have to do with the discussion? Most of the guys on this site aren't mechanics, but that doesn't mean they don't know a thing or two about cars.YOU FRAUD! YOU JUST REPRESENTED YOURSELF TO BE A MECHANIC!!!!ONE!11ELEVENTY!! YOU'RE GOING TO F***ING JAIL FOR LIFE!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.:D

YOU FRAUD! YOU JUST REPRESENTED YOURSELF TO BE A MECHANIC!!!!ONE!11ELEVENTY!! YOU'RE GOING TO F***ING JAIL FOR LIFE!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.:DLOL! Just to set the record straight, I'm not a mechanic either. I enjoy my knuckles too much.

Wow, did I just waste time.:rolleyes:

For the record, MAC1 never said he was an attorney.

But if you would like, I can point you to the comment where he said he has friends that are attorneys.

Heck, I am not an attorney, but I have 2 brothers that are. Personally, 1 in the family is enough.:eek:

Will there be anything substantive written here?

Will there be anything substantive written here?Not as long as you continue to tolerate trolls.