Whatever happened to Johnny and the gang of global warming theorists that had hard science on their side?

Global Warming my ass. (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289)

Where's Al Gore? Knee deep in snow. How embarrassing it must be to be Al Gore.

What a legacy.

Invented the Internet.
Had the Presidency stolen from him by an idiot.
Claimed the world was going to drown in 10 years.

I don't think God is capable of making any human being any more stupid than the AlGore.

Nice to see you admit the election was stolen from him by an idiot who has been our president for the last 7 years. Thanks for finally confirming that bryan. im glad to see you have come around.. :)

Nice to see you admit the election was stolen from him by an idiot who has been our president for the last 7 years. Thanks for finally confirming that bryan. im glad to see you have come around.. :)Just trying to draw out the creatures that reside under the rocks around here.

Don't worry, I'm still firmly planted under Bush's posterior.:D

I'm feeling pretty good actually about bush. Nothing like the Obomination to make Bush look good.

Nice to see you admit the election was stolen from him by an idiot who has been our president for the last 7 years. Thanks for finally confirming that bryan. im glad to see you have come around.. :)

And he invented the internet..
..and he was the inspiration for the movie Love Story.

No need to argue this though, we all know a zebra doesn't change it's spots. (http://www.slipups.com/items/12582.html)


Global cooling became global warming....which has now evolved into global climate change..... and there's even some talk of global cooling again. Intellectual honesty is clearly not at the heart of the environmental movement. They're getting all their bases covered

global warming is coming... wait til summer should be stormy over here in chicago it has been nonstop rain, freeze, snow, rain, freeze, warm weather, snow, warm weather, rain, freeze, snow... literally

I know. its been a record snow season

I'm feeling pretty good actually about bush.


How? For the life of me I cannot understand that. The economy is crap, gas prices are at record highs, we have huge deficits, the world hates us, Iran is still developing nukes, North Korea has nukes, still havent caught Osama, Afghanastan is problematic again.

What exactly is there to feel good about again?

How?

For the life of me I cannot understand that. Listen Up Then. I'll help you out.

The economy is crap,...Really, are we in a depression? Last I heard the ecomomy is still GROWING. Ever take a look at a Best Buy parking lot at any time of the day?
gas prices are at record highs,...No doubt. World demand is increasing faster than output. Not Bush's fault. Liberals fault. No drilling, refining, etc. Lso look at China and India demand recently.
we have huge deficits,...Yes, we are at War. Treasury receipts at an all time high though. Spending thru the roof. Democrats and Republicans to blame for the entitlements and domestic spending, but I can guarantee you the Dems will only make matters worse.
the world hates us,.. Says who? The U.S. media? More countries are coming to the table than are running away. France and Germany are two great examples of countries looking to better relations with Bush and the U.S. You watch the news too much.
Iran is still developing nukes,... Thank the liberal media and Democrats in Congress who it seems want Iran to get a nuke. Why aren't we doing anything about it? look at the Left for your answer.
North Korea has nukes,... Our multi-national talks, which the great John Kerry said wouldn't work, have actually worked. If Kerry were in office, surely we'd be in deep do-do by now.
still havent caught Osama,...Earth to Joey! He's dead.
Afghanastan is problematic again....Only because my cocaine shipment is late again. Otherwise, 3rd world country.

What exactly is there to feel good about again?

I dont' know where to start.
1)Low unemployment
2) No terrorist attacks.
3) Huge job growth. 52 consecutive weeks. A record.
4) Housing correction. Yes, it is a good thing.
5) Lower tax rates than Clinton/Carter administrations.
6) FISA law to keep track of terrorists here and abroad.
7) NO Child Left Behind...You know it is working because liberals hate it.
8) Global warming...under Bush we haven't sold out to the global warming crowd.
9) Immigration... parts of the wall have been started. Legislation will pass comleting the job unless The Obomination gets in.
10) Gas isn't $5.00/gallon. Could be and will be under a Dem administration. But 1st they will use up our Strategic Petroleum Reserve so any nation can bring us to our knees in a month.
11) Bush didn't cause any major hurricanes.

The list can go on and on. Don't have the time. Enjoy.

The economy is crap

Not Bush's fault

gas prices are at record highs

Again, not Bush's fault. Look to the enviromental lobby and OPEC for that one

we have huge deficits

Valid point

the world hates us

Irrelevant. The world also loves us at the same time. It is an interesting dynamic, but ultimately irrelevant.

Iran is still developing nukes, North Korea has nukes

Valid points

still havent caught Osama

Osama has become somewhat irrelevant as a threat...

Afghanastan is problematic again.

Details please..





I see three valid points there, Iran and N. Korea (though the N. Korea one is changing). and one possible (need more info on Afganistan)

You forget a few things; we haven't been attacked since 9/11 (a big one) and the tax cuts (among other things). Not to mention Keeping Algore or John Kerry from the presidency.:D

Did you forget about...

we are in war BECAUSE OF BUSH!!!!! (WOMD??? LMAO)

Gas will keep going up... no matter what..

Bankruptcy is UP 40%!!!!!!!(didnt we just pass a law to stop this?)

House markets are at all time lows..

Osama isn't dead unless we find his body.. (he broadcasted not very long ago)

No terrorist attacks? not yet... took them a while to plan 9/11 who's to say they aren't planning something on a larger scale.. say weaponized virus?

global warming = fact not myth!!! just because we had a bad winter doesnt mean the ice in antarctic and greenland is going to refreeze.. its been defrosting at very fast rate

Bush = crap president... he done plenty wrong and plenty of nothing to help..

Did you forget about...

we are in war BECAUSE OF BUSH!!!!! (WOMD??? LMAO)..
I would argue we are in this war because Clinton failed to act. After 9/11, Saddam forced our hand.


Gas will keep going up... no matter what....Not really. Supply and demand. Cut down on demand and increase supply.


Bankruptcy is UP 40%!!!!!!!(didnt we just pass a law to stop this?)..To stop what? People living beyond their means. Right now there is no law banning stupidity.


House markets are at all time lows....Prove it. More false accusations. Post up a link to back your rhetoric.


Osama isn't dead unless we find his body.. (he broadcasted not very long ago)..Really, have you seen a video of him walking down the street lately. He used to love to hold guns. Guy is taking a dirt nap in the bat cave. Seriously.


No terrorist attacks? not yet... took them a while to plan 9/11 who's to say they aren't planning something on a larger scale.. say weaponized virus?..Absolutely. They are patiently waiting for the panzy-asses to get into office. Obomination here we come.


global warming = fact not myth!!! just because we had a bad winter doesnt mean the ice in antarctic and greenland is going to refreeze.. its been defrosting at very fast rate..The arctic and antartic have increased ice.

Here is a good place to read up. Hopefully you'll stop drinking the koolaid.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/


Bush = crap president... he done plenty wrong and plenty of nothing to help..And you just said plenty of nothing. I can name what Bush has done wrong on one hand.

Let's hear 'em. Start listing.

we are in war BECAUSE OF BUSH!!!!! (WOMD??? LMAO)

So..Bush forced us into war against the whole country's (and congress's) wishes? give me a break! That is an absurdly vauge and non-disprovable statement that suggests and an ignorance on this issue.


Bankruptcy is UP 40%!!!!!!!(didnt we just pass a law to stop this?)

Not Bush's fault.

House markets are at all time lows..

All time?! prove THAT statement. Again, not Bush

Osama isn't dead unless we find his body.. (he broadcasted not very long ago)

No one said he was. As a threat, he hasn't posed one since 9/11

No terrorist attacks? not yet... took them a while to plan 9/11 who's to say they aren't planning something on a larger scale.. say weaponized virus?

Yes, and the Bush administration HAS thwarted a number of attempted and/or scheduled attacks.

global warming = fact not myth!!! just because we had a bad winter doesnt mean the ice in antarctic and greenland is going to refreeze.. its been defrosting at very fast rate

Hows that coolaid taste? Doesn't seem like a rational discussion on this is possible with you.

Bush = crap president... he done plenty wrong and plenty of nothing to help..

Again, another irrational, superficial statement. He has done a number of things to "help". He has accomplished a lot during his presidency, though it seems you are hell bent on ignoring those things and demonizing Bush.


Look! I can say things are Bush's fault too!
I stubbed my toe last night...
It's cold outside...
I need money...
We don't have world peace...
The government isn't exactly as I want it to be...
There are casualties in the war...
THIS IS ALL BUSH'S FAULT!:eek:

BTW, Global warming is hardly proven science. If you wanna try to prove it, bring it on. But if you are just gonna make broad absurd claims, and cite no evidence or reasoning (as you have been doin) then don't bother.

Here are some other absurd, baseless, unrealistic, and negative claims that I can attribute to Bush:

Hitler is still at large..
The Legion of Doom hasn't been found...
We don't have Darth Vader's body...
The movie Glitter...
Paris Hilton...
I don't have a winning lotto ticket yet...
Skeletor and Megatron are still running prostitution rings in Canada...
We are STILL at war with Mars...
Reality TV...
Menstration...
There is still imperfection and responsibility in the world today...



Bush hasn't adressed these problems! Obviously the worst president ever!

(If you can't tell, I am a child of the 1980's and luv sci-fi!)

ever wonder where most of the anti global warming bunch get thier funding?

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/maps.php

ever wonder where most of the anti global warming bunch get thier funding?

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/maps.php

And this is relevant because...

ever wonder where most of the anti global warming bunch get thier funding?

Guess it is time to join the GC (Global Cooling) crowd.

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm

Do you think AlGore can make another Inconvenient Truth docudrama? This time on Global Cooling. I'd like to know what he is going to do to keep my balls from freezing.:eek:

Come on - lets not play this game. We went to war on GW's assertions that IRAQ had tons of WMD and was about to get nukes, and was allied with Osama -- all of which proved to not be true.

Yet - he did little about North Korea or Iran, both of which ARE proven threats.



The economy is crap. Economists arent even sure if we are already in a recession yet.

"As of right now US economic growth is at zero," he said, adding the longer it stayed this way the greater the risk of a deep recession.
(Alan Greenspan)

Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch have both forecast that the US economy will contract in 2008.

The gloomy outlook was blamed on falling house prices, reduced bank lending, turmoil in the financial markets and higher oil prices. (All of which GW has done little or nothing to abate)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7264135.stm

Gas prices are something Bush cant do anything about? Who are you kidding?

All this BS about it's not bush's fault and what not. Come on. If Clinton or any other democrat was president you would be screaming.

Man - at least be honest. How much proof do you need?

Come on - lets not play this game. We went to war on GW's assertions that IRAQ had tons of WMD and was about to get nukes, and was allied with Osama -- all of which proved to not be true.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America?s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam?s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq?s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration?s policy towards Iraq, I don?t think there can be any question about Saddam?s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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Joey, I guess you are simply a victim of an "inconvenient memory".:D

The Clintons and the Democrats "f'd" Iraq up. Not Bush. Seems that Bush had the balls to do what the Dems didn't have the balls to do.

Revisionist History....How convenient.

Gas prices are something Bush cant do anything about? Who are you kidding?

All this BS about it's not bush's fault and what not. Come on. If Clinton or any other democrat was president you would be screaming.

Man - at least be honest. How much proof do you need?

Bush TRIED to do something. The democrats (being beholden to the enviromental lobby) stood in the way of that.

You can't logically blame the gas prices on Bush, but you can blame them on the democrats and the enviromentalists (at least in part).

The enviro-nuts only wanna look at unproven long term solutions while ignoring guaranteed short term solutions. Long term is irrelevant if the short term isn't worked out.

Ah Bryan - keep believing it wasn't GW's decision - Your one of the very few who think he was right.

Shagdrum - the problem with what your saying is simple. When that issue was around, the dems didnt control congress, the repubs did. SO you had a repub congress and a repub president. Whey werent we drilling?

Bryan also makes a good point, you can't say that we got into Iraq soley due to Bush. Congress approved of going into Iraq, and you can't forget that. Most every big name democrat in both the house and senate vocally approved of going into Iraq, but now doesn't wanna be held responsible. In addition to the intelligence we had, Saddam's actions blatantly suggested he had some WMD's. We would've been foolish not to go in there. To try and claim now that a mistake was made is nothing more then Monday Morning quarterbacking for political and/or ideological reasons. Just and excuse to attack Bush.

Shagdrum - the problem with what your saying is simple. When that issue was around, the dems didnt control congress, the repubs did. SO you had a repub congress and a repub president. Whey werent we drilling?

Even if we could get drilling through congress, the enviro lobby would tie us up in courts for years (remember, the single largest group to donate to political campagins is the trial lawyers, and they overwhelmingly donate and vote democrat).

And, yes republicans had control, not conservatives. many republican politicians in Washington try to appease liberals, including liberal lobbies.

Besides that, the minority party still has a lot of influence. The can keep bills in committee, keep it from going to a vote on the floor, or in many other ways, procedurally kill the bill. Ever heard of filabustering? A prime example of how much power the minority party can exert, Bush's judicial nominations.

To believe that, simply because the republicans were in the majority in both houses, they should've been able to pass any legislation they wanted, is absurd, especially in the face of a solid democrat opposition (you should realize that Bush has split the republican party, and this rift was evident from relatively early in his administration). You would have to be very ignorant to buy that argument. I know for a fact that you are not that ignorant.

Whatever happened to Johnny and the gang of global warming theorists that had hard science on their side?

Global Warming my ass. (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289)

Where's Al Gore? Knee deep in snow. How embarrassing it must be to be Al Gore.

What a legacy.

Invented the Internet.
Had the Presidency stolen from him by an idiot.
Claimed the world was going to drown in 10 years.

I don't think God is capable of making any human being any more stupid than the AlGore.

They only come out during the Summer when it's warm. :D

Can anyone tell me why we in The US had some of the hottest years on record in the 1930's? Was that also due to "Global Warming" or was it just HOT!? :rolleyes:

i never sed any of that was bush's fault except for throwing us in an unneccessary war. and for at what cost?

check the newspaper on house resale markets.. i read it in the chicago newspaper almost EVERYWEEK!!!

global warming is real... dont care what u have to say have to say unless you've seen An Inconvient Truth then tell me why he is wrong.

Last decade we've had the hottest summers on record..

A shelf of ice the size of rhode island broke off antarctica.. wasn't this ice called permafrost? as in permanently frozen..

im not sayin this off the top of my head.. ive read articles, seen docuementarys, videos, list goes on.

im not pro or negative on anything other than global warming being real.

I know what i said about Bush but ill give him benefit of doubt because of the situation thrown at him right away...

Like not fixing levy's in New Orleans when notifed they were going to break

Not letting the medical system flex when 9/11 emergency workers couldnt get help because it was expensive and hospitals wouldnt take them

When we invade Iraq on ridiculous claims.. Coulda just said lets stop Saddam today..

Or his wife not approving of black people (was on national TV dont care if it was slip of tounge)

i dont hate bush i just dont approve of how he handled everything.. its questionable

global warming is real... dont care what u have to say have to say unless you've seen An Inconvient Truth then tell me why he is wrong.
Well, John Stossel on 20/20 debunked Al Gore's movie (http://nottakingsides.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/abcs-john-stossels-exposes-untruths-in-inconvenient-truth/). Will you watch this clip? If not, then you're really not open minded.

Last decade we've had the hottest summers on record..

A shelf of ice the size of rhode island broke off antarctica.. wasn't this ice called permafrost? as in permanently frozen..

You're using anecdotal evidence to try and prove a scientific theory. That's completely flawed. I can do the same thing and point out snowstorms that we've had in parts of the world this last year that we've never had before, record low temperatures, and Antarctica's ice cap is thickening, not thinning. So what?

im not sayin this off the top of my head.. ive read articles, seen docuementarys, videos, list goes on.

You're only viewing the sources that tell you what you want to hear. You're not looking at the other side.

im not pro or negative on anything other than global warming being real.

It's real on Mars, too (http://nottakingsides.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/abcs-john-stossels-exposes-untruths-in-inconvenient-truth/)...does that mean we're causing this as well? If you're really open minded then you'll agree to view some sources (videos) that tell the opposite side of the story. Deal?


Or his wife not approving of black people (was on national TV dont care if it was slip of tounge)Link please...

saw that thing on bush's wife in the news some time ago and thanks for showing me the otherside to global warming now ill shut my mouth about it that

They only come out during the Summer when it's warm. :D

Can anyone tell me why we in The US had some of the hottest years on record in the 1930's? Was that also due to "Global Warming" or was it just HOT!? :rolleyes:

Some of that has to do with the way we measure temperatures and where we measure. To factually say that the earth as a whole is warming, you need to be able to measure the earths global mean surface temperature. this has never actually been measured. Instead, the global surface temperature is haphazard, at best; wherever measuring stations happen to be at. The number of measuring stations is much greater around warmer, more populated areas, as opposed to colder climates like the poles.

A prime example of how this can effect measurements is the 1990's. Supposedly the hottest decade on record, this is due to nothing more then a number of measuring stations being closed in Siberia due to the fall of the USSR at the beginning of the decade.

Also, consider the fact that these same temperature measuring stations are maintained differently in richer countries then in poorer countries, and placed with greater care is some places then in others.

You also need to consider where the baseline is. It is pointless to say that "the earth is warming" without a reference point. The reference point usually used is an exceptionally cold year, often coming out of the "little ice age".

All these claims of temperatures rising during the last century from those measurements and with those baseline years are meaningless.

... and thanks for showing me the otherside to global warming now ill shut my mouth about it that

Not to be an @$$hole here, but this hurts your credibility. You were dead set that global warming (man-made) is real (it is a fact!, etc...), but didn't provide and facts or logical argument, just rhetoric. Even when called on that, you still didn't provide anything to argue against, just mindless platitudes that you claimed were fact. When someone actually conveyed an opposing argument with verifiable info, you backed down.

I am not trying to put you down, just provide some constructive criticism, but; don't hold strong opinions about things you don't understand. It makes you look like an imature fool (like a typical HS or college student with strong, uninformed political views) who hasn't a clue what he is talking about. It suggests that you shouldn't be taken seriously on any other views you convey.

I would recommend researching both arguments (not just the summary of the argument, which is often a misrepresentation, given in the mainstream media), and the facts they use to back their arguments up, before taking a solid stance on any issue. It would help your credibility, greatly.:D

BTW, I was lookin at your lincoln and I like what you've done to it. Great tint job. Is the nav stock or aftermarket?

i NEVER seen or HEARD of ne kind of thing that discludes global warming... i am very open minded, i like to hear what people got to say and i dont disclude anyone unless they have foam coming out of the mouth then I tend to leave asap. although my efforts to look for why it could be wrong were weak i stood by what i knew. i love history, and certain sciences. not to mention im a sucker for hearing about the world's end. i got pages on that. even my own unique(?) theory on how there were humans before us but we'll never know.. ill stop there

and i am just a college student btw :D

that was stock. am lookin to get something new in the future tho that can play DVD's n nav with a nice big touch screen liek a clarion.

i am just a college student btw :D

Same here, though a bit older then the average college student.

that was stock. am lookin to get something new in the future tho that can play DVD's n nav with a nice big touch screen liek a clarion.

Yeah, I just got the clarion MAX675vdII and love it! I need to get the nav for it though.

that was stock. am lookin to get something new in the future tho that can play DVD's n nav with a nice big touch screen liek a clarion.

stuntin_LS

Welcome to the political forum btw.

There is a lot of info here and lots to learn about the world. Most of which you'll never hear on the evening news.

So please do us all a favor, please put in the effort to use proper punctuation wherever possible. Also, the "abc with a checkmark" icon in the upper right hand corner of your response box when typing is the spell checker. Take a couple of extra seconds and let that do it's magic. I don't use it all the time myself but it really helps all of us when it comes to reading posts.

Thanks and welcome again.

Same here, though a bit older then the average college student.

I'd love to have a beer or 20 with you someday. I'll be in Iowa tomorrow so I'll be thinking of you and corn (kansas).

Working on a new bio-fuel injection system (not corn based) for the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) for you young'ns so you'll have something that can go more than 50 mph when you get older.:D

I'd love to have a beer or 20 with you someday. I'll be in Iowa tomorrow so I'll be thinking of you and corn (kansas).

20 is an awful lot, though I do love beer!


Working on a new bio-fuel injection system (not corn based) for the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) for you young'ns so you'll have something that can go more than 50 mph when you get older.:D


Thanks! I appriciate it! :D

Sorry, I will type in proper form next time. I will make every effot to do that. Good start?

I will make every effot to do that. Close. Good start.:p

ever wonder where most of the anti global warming bunch get thier funding?

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/maps.php

What is interesting is the amount of lobbying from big business to support the enviromentalist agenda. Enron lobbied Gore and worked with green groups in support of the Kyoto Protocols. At the same time, Enron was buying up businesses that would provide these "renewable resources". the Pew Center said, "Enron Wind Corp. os one of the world's largest operators of wind-power generation" (assets now owned by GE). Enron also partly owned the worlds largest solar energy venture, along with Amoco (now BP).

You can read more about that in Robert Novaks article here:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2002/01/17/enrons_green_side

What is interesting is that Gore accused Bush of being in Enron's hip pocket on Earth Day 2002, saying Bush was pursuing "Enron's agenda". In fact Bush rejected Enron's agenda, but Gore, on the other hand, had ties to Enron through the Clinton administration and was pushing the same agenda as Enron.

8/04/1997: President Clinton and VP Gore meet with Enron's Ken Lay and BP's John Browne to develop the administration position for the Kyoto negotiaions

July 1997: Clinton and Gore meet with Enron and other industry Big wigs regarding the shared administration/Enron case fr policy action on the theory of Manmade climate change

1997-1998: Clinton Admin. conducts and "outreach" campaign, employing cabinet officials to recruit further "responsible" industry and detailing the fortunes to be made from instituting the theory of Manmade climate change as government policy

Private meetings were held in the run-up to the finalization of the admin's negotiating position, between Enron employees John Palmisano and.or Mark Schroeder, and senior administration officials at the Dept. of Energy, State Dept. and EPA.

1998: a letter signed by Ken Lay is sent to Clinton, asking him, in essence, to harm the reputations and credibility of scientists who argued that global warming was an overblown issue.


Enron was hedging its bets and stood to profit from Kyoto's passage.

And interesting side note:
At one point, Enron commissioned its own internal study of global warming science. It turned out to be largely in agreement with the same scientists Enron was trying to shut up. After considering all of the inconsistencies in climate science, the report concluded: "[T]he very real possibility that the great climate alarm could be a false alarm. The anthropogenic [manmade] warming could well be less than thought and favorably distributed."One of Enron's major consultants in that study was NASA scientists James Hansen, who started the whole global warming mess in 1988 with his bombastic congressional testimony...True to its plan, Enron never made its own findings public, self-censoring them while it pleaded with the new Bush administration for a cap on carbon dioxide emissions that it could broker.



Here are a few articles on the Enron/Kyoto scam:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/16/135018.shtml

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-morris020802.shtml

http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/enron-clinton-and-the-environmentalists

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3388



Large utilities, and GE make up the vast majority of the wind power lobby. In fact, what is happening is many companies in the Big Energy group are investing in inefficient and even worthless alternative energies and technologies based on them, and then lobbying for those energies to be made mandatory. Even the car companies are getting in on the action with the CAFE standards (and the E-85 rules that are part of those standards), and the government mandates for ethanol.

Contrary to the distortion of the enviromental left, most of these businesses which are supposedly "working against global warming" are actually setting themselves up to profit greatly from the political fallout from this ruse.

stuntin_LS

Welcome to the political forum btw.

There is a lot of info here and lots to learn about the world. Most of which you'll never hear on the evening news.

So please do us all a favor, please put in the effort to use proper punctuation wherever possible. Also, the "abc with a checkmark" icon in the upper right hand corner of your response box when typing is the spell checker. Take a couple of extra seconds and let that do it's magic. I don't use it all the time myself but it really helps all of us when it comes to reading posts.

Thanks and welcome again.You can tell he does a lot of texting. Those abbreviations are classic texting style.

You can tell he does a lot of texting. Those abbreviations are classic texting style.Hey David, when are we going to kiss and make up? I figure we need to do at least a case together.

You can tell he does a lot of texting. Those abbreviations are classic texting style.

Was that meant for me? Because I text like a mutha trucka..

It's over, folks. Global warming was nothing but a fad and a fraud.

Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm


Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

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WE NEED TO START BURNING MORE CARBON OR WE'LL FREEZE TO DEATH!!! EEEYYARRRGGHH! :D

are the global cooling fanatics out yet