Picture gallery: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/la-2007-lincoln-mks/488594/

Highlights:

- standard 20" rims
- $5K less than an STS V6
- capless fuel tank
- initially equipped with 3.7L 270 hp V-6, but twinforce TT-V6 coming in less
than a year.
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Some select pix.

It's ok. Pretty blah looking to me and doesn't hold a candle to the LS in the looks department.

I forgot to add, they updated the keyless entry system, so it's invisible unless you touch it. Pretty neat actually.

The 'double oh' rims look great.

I think if the TT-V6 turns out to be a good engine, then the MKS could be a real winner. Frankly, I think it looks better than the STS, but not as good as the redesigned CTS.

looks a lot like the cts. i always have to see these cars in person though.

I think the interior is definitely better than that of my LS, but like you said bat, a test drive is in order. :)

I need to get 30 dollars so I can see it in person Friday...or sometime this week.

Holy crap that would be a b*tch to work on. Did you check out that pic under the hood?

how bout that? looks like a 12 volt outlet next to the headlight controls and steering wheel. interior reminds me of the ac legend.

The interior looks tight, outside is ok, I don't like the way the wheels sit too close to each other like in mose FWD cars.

This car does nothing for me, I am still waiting for a coupe from lincoln

booooring. Interior looks like it was stolen out of a truck. If I drive a Lincoln I prefer it to have at least some of its roots in the gilded age of Lincoln. Rear wheel drive, long and lean, beautiful inside and out. Only thing I really like is the rear end; rest of it looks like a Ford with a body kit. It just looks too bland to me. I agree with Joey. I'll wait for a coupe.

Ok, when will it be RWD? Until then I'm not liking it.

If its front wheel drive, I'm not interested. But if its AWD, maybe. I'd like to see it in person and take a test drive before I make a judgement.

Guaranteed this weekend people will be putting Lincoln press kits up on eBay. I'm gonna get me one and check out the details.

If its front wheel drive, I'm not interested. But if its AWD, maybe. I'd like to see it in person and take a test drive before I make a judgement.

Guaranteed this weekend people will be putting Lincoln press kits up on eBay. I'm gonna get me one and check out the details.

It's FWD and also comes in AWD. The Volvo Haldex AWD system is pretty good.

And ToddG, you can build and price your MKS here. http://www.lincoln.com/reachhigher/?intcmp=B_Lincoln07_LHomeNews_RHHome_20071114

The recessed keyless entry system is neat. That's a brilliant idea- I really like Ford's keyless entry b/c it's so handy when you accidentally lock your keys in the car. No other manufacturer has that. But the past design was a bit dated. This new update is modern and clean.

booooring. Interior looks like it was stolen out of a truck. If I drive a Lincoln I prefer it to have at least some of its roots in the gilded age of Lincoln. Rear wheel drive, long and lean, beautiful inside and out. Only thing I really like is the rear end; rest of it looks like a Ford with a body kit. It just looks too bland to me. I agree with Joey. I'll wait for a coupe.

No? The interior is very much like the Lincoln Continental Concept car, which in turn is based off of the old continentals from the 'gilded age'. :)

More detailed writeup:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/14/la-2007-2009-lincoln-mks-brings-new-look-to-american-luxury/

Tell me when they come out with another RWD V8. Until then, my LS is class.

It's ok. Pretty blah looking to me and doesn't hold a candle to the LS in the looks department.

Are you kidding??

The fit and finish on that car is 10 times better than the LS. The car is more refined, more luxurious and it has more power. I'd give up my LS in a second to have one of those cars. AWD and a TT model later on...where do I sign?

I think you need to look again. Our LS' don't hold a candle to that car at all.

I don't see how the LS doesn't hold a candle to the car. Sure it gets similar power to the v8 out of a v6, but that isn't really an improvement. And it is just a rebadged Fusion. I'd like to see what they get out of the TT, but I'd rather see an original Lincoln design with some serious power.

There needs to be a hot rod lincoln that has class, and original style. With power to back it up. While the MKS looks nice, it's still a fusion.

i wonder if it uses the same bolt pattern as the LS..........

I don't see how the LS doesn't hold a candle to the car. Sure it gets similar power to the v8 out of a v6, but that isn't really an improvement. And it is just a rebadged Fusion. I'd like to see what they get out of the TT, but I'd rather see an original Lincoln design with some serious power.

There needs to be a hot rod lincoln that has class, and original style. With power to back it up. While the MKS looks nice, it's still a fusion.

I think you've got that wrong. The Fusion is the MKZ, the MKS is more like a Volvo S80.

The TT was demonstrated with the MKR concept car, and it was quoted at the time to have 400 hp and 415 lb torque. Whether those numbers will still hold, that could be some serious engine power...

The car is more refined, more luxurious and it has more power.
The last time I checked, the 2nd Gen LS's 280hp was more than the MKS's 270hp...

I think you've got that wrong. The Fusion is the MKZ, the MKS is more like a Volvo S80.
Yup; the Fusion, MKZ, and Milan are all CD3; the MKS, Taurus, and Taurus X are all D3, and the D3 platform is based on the Volvo platform under the S80.

Are you kidding??

No.

The fit and finish on that car is 10 times better than the LS. The car is more refined, more luxurious and it has more power. I'd give up my LS in a second to have one of those cars. AWD and a TT model later on...where do I sign?

I said the looks department. Not fit and finish. Never said a word about the drivetrain. Altough now that you mentioned it, a FWD 6 cylinder does nothing for me. AWD and a TT model later on...we'll see about that. This IS Ford we're talking about here.

No.



I said the looks department. Not fit and finish. Never said a word about the drivetrain. Altough now that you mentioned it, a FWD 6 cylinder does nothing for me. AWD and a TT model later on...we'll see about that. This IS Ford we're talking about here.

+1

a FWD 6 cylinder does nothing for me. AWD and a TT model later on...we'll see about that. This IS Ford we're talking about here.

knowing ford, they will probably nix the power and awd idea and drop in a 4 banger

friggin battery is up front

Yup; the Fusion, MKZ, and Milan are all CD3; the MKS, Taurus, and Taurus X are all D3, and the D3 platform is based on the Volvo platform under the S80.

Even worse if it's a taurus. I used to have a Five Hundred, I hated that car. It's too big. This is worse than the LS if it is hauling around all that weight with just 270, versus the smaller LS with 280.

Maybe they should just put the MKR into production, looks a lot nicer.

The last time I checked, the 2nd Gen LS's 280hp was more than the MKS's 270hp...

And you've seen how our LS8's dyno right....ok

IF a TT does come out you bet your ass it will roast my LS8 and yours.

Again, where do I sign?

You can sign right here, but it's your checkbook and it's a 50K check written out to me. For an MKR.

Just think about it, if Ford drops the TT V6 idea and leaves the engine they have in it now. The "S" in MKS will mean "SLOW", the car's curb weight will probably be in the upper 4k (maybe 4100ish). The car will most likely do a 16 second quarter mile time...lol

Maybe if they realize how :q:q:q:qty the MKS is, they will come to their senses and start producing a producable version of the MKR.

The last time I checked, the 2nd Gen LS's 280hp was more than the MKS's 270hp...

True, but the Duratec 3.7L doesn't require premium fuel to achieve the rating, and is comparable to the 3.7L on the Infiniti G-series of cars. And those Infinitis compared well to the LS.

Crapload of new MKS pix:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/lincoln-mks.html#more-4994

Well, at least heated/cooled front seats and heated rear seats come standard. :) The interior is much better looking than my LS- my LS comparatively is like plastic city.

And you've seen how our LS8's dyno right....ok
The dyno numbers I've seen on the 2nd Gen LS V8 indicate that the 280hp figure is pretty darn close to right on the money, and the MKS's D37 was almost certainly dyno'd on the same dynos. And 280hp is still greater than 270hp.

When the 3.5TF goes into the MKS and the D37 is up-rated to match, then we can talk about the MKS having more power. When the MKS is launched next summer, it will NOT have more power than a 2nd Gen LS V8.

True, but the Duratec 3.7L doesn't require premium fuel to achieve the rating, and is comparable to the 3.7L on the Infiniti G-series of cars. And those Infinitis compared well to the LS.
That's beside the point. The MKS, at introduction, will have less power than the 2nd Gen LS V8, not more, which was the previous poster's statement. That's all I was refuting.

ugly, v6?, thats not a lincoln no v8 i dont like it
:slap:

Maybe if they realize how :q:q:q:qty the MKS is, they will come to their senses and start producing a producable version of the MKR.
The MKS is not, by any stretch of the imagination a ":q" car. It may not be what you want in a car, but it is in no way, shape, or form, a ":q" car. It is, in point of fact, an exceptionally well appointed luxury car, particularly at its price point, which is comparable to a 2nd Gen LS V8. I mean, take a look at the list of standard features; can you buy a car with those features for anywhere close to that price?

And the MKS and MKR are not mutually exclusive; they're aimed at very different market segments. If the MKS continues Lincoln's rebound, I would expect to see the MKR on the street in a few years.

That's beside the point. The MKS, at introduction, will have less power than the 2nd Gen LS V8, not more, which was the previous poster's statement. That's all I was refuting.

I completely agree- the 272 hp is a bit of a disappointment- surely they could coax more power out of it, but I've also heard that it may be replaced by a GDI version with around 300 next year.

I completely agree- the 272 hp is a bit of a disappointment- surely they could coax more power out of it, but I've also heard that it may be replaced by a GDI version with around 300 next year.
One of the reports I've heard is that the D37 is rated at 270hp right now because they're having to work on the chassis to get it to handle the higher output. Once they have that sorted and the 3.5TF ready to go, they're supposed to introduce a higher-output version of the D37, rumored to be around 300hp.

One of the reports I've heard is that the D37 is rated at 270hp right now because they're having to work on the chassis to get it to handle the higher output. Once they have that sorted and the 3.5TF ready to go, they're supposed to introduce a higher-output version of the D37, rumored to be around 300hp.

Yeah, that's the same rumor I heard as well. :)

The MKS is really just a Volvo S80 with different sheet metal and engine. At least you can get an S80 with a 311HP V8 and AWD.

You can get (or will be able to get, once it's released) an MKS with AWD. You'll also be able to get it with AWD and a 350hp (or more) twin turbo V6 when the 3.5TF goes into the car in '09. D3 is based on the Volvo platform that's under the S80, but calling it "just a Volvo" with "different sheet metal" is doing a big disservice to the engineers at Ford and Lincoln who've adapted it to meet US market needs.

i think the s80 looks 100 times better, as far as outside not sure about the interior

i think the s80 looks 100 times better, as far as outside not sure about the interior

Can't please 'em all.

Just think, Lincoln has done quite well the past several quarters, posting double digit growth, and those sales were due to rebadged Fusions and Edges, a la the MKZ and MKX! Take the MKS, which is a fairly original design, and not a rebadge. You may not buy it, but I think Lincoln is in a very good position to spring back.

Me personally, I'll take that twinforce motor and start messing with a microcontroller and try to get an LS up and running with it... I just don't see the extra value in rebadging a Taurus as a Lincoln... granted, the Taurus is a decent car (as was the OLD S80 chassis its based on,) but WHY oh why the insistance on FWD/AWD combos... how the hell can the Evo and WRX have BALANCED AWD systems in little pocket rockets, but we get these damned 60%front/40%rear biased setups in cars like the AWD fusion and Tausrus (and, likewise MKX and MKS) I guess I just have to accept the fact that most people want a grocery getter, even if its a Lincoln... :-) The only way to get a TRUE Luxury Sport is to buy German or build your own... good thing I'll soon have an '06 LS and can start to rebuild the '03 into what the LS SHOULD have been from the factory! lol (QuikLS's SC is cool and all... but I'm wondering what a nice, twin turbo Duratech with the boost tweaked will do in comparison... er, until I snap the friggin halfshafts... WHY do I have a feeling that 500+hp in the LS is gonna give me lots of spare work in my new machine shop?!?

PS: What's the list on this thing? $46 or so? I can take a $20K, 20,000 mile LS and do a LOT with the left over $25k... like buy a brand new S-Type R 4.2 and spend the time to crack the damned computer and make it work... and have a better nav system, better tires, better wheels, the list goes on... of course, there'd be the little issue of no waranty! ;-)

PS: What's the list on this thing? $46 or so? I can take a $20K, 20,000 mile LS and do a LOT with the left over $25k... like buy a brand new S-Type R 4.2 and spend the time to crack the damned computer and make it work... and have a better nav system, better tires, better wheels, the list goes on... of course, there'd be the little issue of no waranty! ;-)

Actually, it's $38K. Look at the standard features page.

The dyno numbers I've seen on the 2nd Gen LS V8 indicate that the 280hp figure is pretty darn close to right on the money, and the MKS's D37 was almost certainly dyno'd on the same dynos. And 280hp is still greater than 270hp.

When the 3.5TF goes into the MKS and the D37 is up-rated to match, then we can talk about the MKS having more power. When the MKS is launched next summer, it will NOT have more power than a 2nd Gen LS V8.

Darn close? Right on the money?

Yeah right, have you seen the dyno sheets? They are no where near 280, lets try your research again.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=36720

Darn close?

Yeah right, have you seen the dyno sheets? They are no where near 280, lets try your research again.
Umm, chassis dynos show figures at the drive wheels. Manufacturer's ratings are at the crank. If you put an MKS on a chassis dyno, it won't come near 270hp, either; there's normally on the order of 20% loss in the driveline. On a 280hp LS, if you assume 22% driveline loss, that would put it at 218.4hp at the rear wheels, which is pretty close to the numbers I've seen for stock 2nd Gen LS V8s; if you say it's only 20%, that's still only 224hp at the wheels, which is still pretty damn close.

Umm, chassis dynos show figures at the drive wheels. Manufacturer's ratings are at the crank. If you put an MKS on a chassis dyno, it won't come near 270hp, either; there's normally on the order of 20% loss in the driveline. On a 280hp LS, if you assume 22% driveline loss, that would put it at 218.4hp at the rear wheels, which is pretty close to the numbers I've seen for stock 2nd Gen LS V8s; if you say it's only 20%, that's still only 224hp at the wheels, which is still pretty damn close.

I understand that but when you say its close to 280 then you would be correct but as far as ground power, no.

Next time I want an explanation like that, I'll google it and cut and paste it myself.

I understand that but when you say its close to 280 then you would be correct but as far as ground power, no.

Next time I want an explanation like that, I'll google it and cut and paste it myself.

Really? I've never seen that detailed an explanation before on google.

Has anyone seen some physical specs yet...you know, wheel base, ht width length, trac...all of that happy stuff?

I understand that but when you say its close to 280 then you would be correct but as far as ground power, no.
Obviously, one of us is missing something. Nowhere have I ever said, or even implied, that the LS puts 280hp on the ground, only that the evidence supports Lincoln's 280hp rating for the 2nd Gen LS V8. Given the lack of wheel HP figures for the MKS, there's no point in trying to compare the two cars on that basis; the crankshaft figures are all we have to form the basis of a comparison.

Here are the germane facts:
1) The MKS is rated at 270hp at the crankshaft.
2) The 2nd Gen LS V8 is rated at 280hp at the crankshaft.
The original statement was that the MKS has more power than the LS, which is an incorrect statement, because 270hp is always less than 280hp, even for very large values of 270. ;)

That is all that was in question, and that is all that was refuted, no more, and no less.

Has anyone seen some physical specs yet...you know, wheel base, ht width length, trac...all of that happy stuff?

* Engine: 3.7L DOHC V6
o Performance: 270 hp (201 kW) @ 5,500 rpm / 265 ft·lbf (359 N·m) @ 3,000 rpm
* Transmission: 6-speed select shift automatic
* Chassis layout: All-wheel drive
o Front suspension: Independent, MacPherson strut, rearward-facing lower L-control arms and stabilizer bar
o Rear suspension: Independent, multilink coil over shock and stabilizer bar
o Wheelbase: 114.4 in. (2906 mm)
o Overall length: 203.8 in. (5176 mm)
o Overall width: 75.5 in. (1912 mm)
o Front track width: 65.2 in. (1656 mm)
o Rear track width: 65.6 in. (1666 mm)
o Front overhang: 40.4 in. (1026 mm)
o Rear overhang 49.1 in. (1247 mm)
* Tires: 245/45/R20 tires on 20 x 8.5-in. polished aluminum wheels


I believe the curbweight of the FWD version is about 4000 lbs, and the AWD version clocks in around 4100 lbs.

If you go here ( http://www.lincoln.com/reachhigher/?intcmp=B_Lincoln07_LHomeNews_RHHome_20071114 ) and click on the "SPECS" link at the bottom of the page, you'll eventually see a button marked PRINTSPECS that'll give you a PDF of the MKS's specs; I tried to upload it, but it's too big.

The curb weight of the MKS is 4127lbs (FWD) or 4276lbs (AWD), according to that document.

Haha, this guy's fingers are too fat, and he says the MKS buttons are too small.

Youtube videos:

Interior:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ds7UrHo7ig&eurl


Tech Features- heat sensitive keyless entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBkMfyZWtk&feature=user

My feeling is the MKS release is going to mirror the Zephyr a bit- pre-release with an underpowered engine, then a major tweaking after the first year. A TT V6 with V-8 like power might not be too bad if gas prices continue the way they're going.

How come ford doesn't beef up the V6 in that car? I mean, infiniti has their V6's pushing over 300HP and keeping good MPGs! WTF ford??? Im sorry but the MKS drivetrain is not in the same class as the V6 G35 sedan, or V6 Lexus GS350 or IS350! Sorry Ford, but you lose in all possible ways!

How come ford doesn't beef up the V6 in that car?
From what I've heard, they're having to work on the chassis to get it to handle the output of the D37. The drivetrain will be significantly improved when they solve those problems and get the 3.5L TwinForce ready to go; the rumors are that the D37 will go to ~300hp when the 3.5TF goes into the MKS.

But...the HP figures aren't the key to the MKS--it's going to have the power, but the MKS is about the luxury, not the sportiness. The MKS is going to have more sportiness than most previous Lincolns, but it's really the Continental's (and maybe the Town Car's) successor, not the LS's successor. For the LS's successor, we're going to have to wait for the MKR.

o Wheelbase: 114.4 in. (2906 mm)
o Overall length: 203.8 in. (5176 mm)
o Overall width: 75.5 in. (1912 mm)
o Front track width: 65.2 in. (1656 mm)
o Rear track width: 65.6 in. (1666 mm)
o Front overhang: 40.4 in. (1026 mm)
o Rear overhang 49.1 in. (1247 mm)



To compare, the LS has:

Wheelbase: 114.5 in.
Overall Length: 194.4 in.
Overall Width: 80.1 in.
Front Track: 60.5 in.
Rear Track: 60.8 in.

So, the wheelbase is about the same between the MKS and the LS. The MKS is longer, but the LS is wider.