Ok, after lots of searching on here I'm confused. Can someone tell me what is the latest/greatest and most cost efficient aftermarket filter setup for a 01 ls.:confused:

You have the polished aluminum and stainless intake tube from LS Koncepts. Horsepower gain are the same. For the Filter setup you have KKM and K&N setups, difference in horsepower gain is minimal. There are a couple of other filters, but these two add the most. www.lskoncepts.com

Not sure if there is a K&N setup for 00-02 LS's, so the only options are KKM or custom.

Not sure if there is a K&N setup for 00-02 LS's, so the only options are KKM or custom.



There is not much to the KKM AT ALL. All you need is a billet aluminum MAFS filter adapter and a filter (brand of your choice), 4 small bolts and a MAFS gasket and you have all the parts KKM will give you. By scraping all the parts together yourself you can save around $25-$50 depending on which brand of filter you go with. It is a really simple process. By the way do not get any of that Auto Zone plastic MAFS adapter crap as it is just cheap garbage.

What KKM does not give people, which they badly need, is the silicone coupler and two clamps that need to connect the LSK intake tube with the back of the MAF sensor. If the MAF falls off then unmetered air will enter the intake system which will cause a severe lean condition.

There is not much to the KKM AT ALL. All you need is a billet aluminum MAFS filter adapter and a filter (brand of your choice), 4 small bolts and a MAFS gasket and you have all the parts KKM will give you. By scraping all the parts together yourself you can save around $25-$50 depending on which brand of filter you go with. It is a really simple process. By the way do not get any of that Auto Zone plastic MAFS adapter crap as it is just cheap garbage.

What KKM does not give people, which they badly need, is the silicone coupler and two clamps that need to connect the LSK intake tube with the back of the MAF sensor. If the MAF falls off then unmetered air will enter the intake system which will cause a severe lean condition.
Not necessarily. However, if it is a huge issue those couplers can be purchased at any automotive store for around $7. We even have them from Spectre Performance.

Not necessarily. However, if it is a huge issue those couplers can be purchased at any automotive store for around $7. We even have them from Spectre Performance.



Ken, I personally tune allot of vehicles with SCT software and own a performance shop, I know what I am talking about. Trust me when I say that I shriek when I see something like that without a connector there. It is literally held on by friction tape??? Come on! That is just not enough. A silicone (or rubber) connector and 2 hose clamps should come standard with those tubes. Either that or a disclaimer stating that there is need for a coupler.

Ken, I personally tune allot of vehicles with SCT software and own a performance shop, I know what I am talking about. Trust me when I say that I shriek when I see something like that without a connector there. It is literally held on by friction tape??? Come on! That is just not enough. A silicone (or rubber) connector and 2 hose clamps should come standard with those tubes. Either that or a disclaimer stating that there is need for a coupler.
First of all, there is a clamp already on the MAF itself when it is separated from the stock intake tube and the MAF clamp can be TIGHTENED to hold it on. I ran this setup on my LS for over 4 years with no problem. Had there been an issue we would have supplied a coupler for that end. Also, the aftermarket intake tubes we sell can NOT be used with the stock air box. With that being said, the KKM induction kit uses a support bracket to hold the intake filter kit and MAF in place. With the stock MAF clamp and KKM bracket there should NOT be any issue with the MAF slipping off.

We recommend that if a customer can not install it correctly with the provided installation instructions then they need to have it professionally installed.

First of all, there is a clamp already on the MAF itself when it is separated from the stock intake tube and the MAF clamp can be TIGHTENED to hold it on. I ran this setup on my LS for over 4 years with no problem. Had there been an issue we would have supplied a coupler for that end. Also, the aftermarket intake tubes we sell can NOT be used with the stock air box. With that being said, the KKM induction kit uses a support bracket to hold the intake filter kit and MAF in place. With the stock MAF clamp and KKM bracket there should NOT be any issue with the MAF slipping off.

We recommend that if a customer can not install it correctly with the provided installation instructions then they need to have it professionally installed.



So you are saying that the stock clamp will tighten the MAF itself onto the intake tube without a soft connector? First of all there is not a clamp on the MAF itself. There is a clamp on the stock intake tube. Now you could reuse that clamp but what exactly will it clamp down to? The rear end of the MAF housing itself? Last I checked hard plastic doesn't exactly shrink much when being clamped. I hope to god I misunderstood what you meant, but I do not think I did.

Just because something has happened to work for a period of time does not mean that it is the correct way to do things. Heck, I see people running 150 dryshots on their stock 99-04 Mustang GT's without blowing up yet but it still doesn't make it a smart idea to do so. "Well it hasn't blown up yet" just doesn't cut it.

I never said anything of a stock airbox. What I talk about is the way you reccomend to have the MAFS installed on your intake tube with the KKM (or other custom CAI) kit.

According to a few of my friends who own Gen 1 LS's they have thrown up a complaint about the MAFS slipping off of the LSK intake tube. They were told to use friction tape to help hold it on. That is not the correct way of doing things as it will continue to want to slide off even with the KKM bracket. The KKM bracket may also hold the MAFS in place but it is not a gasket and it is not a rubber or silicone connector and should not be used as replacement for something that gives a proper seal.

Ken none of this is a shot at you, or me trying to tread on your hard work. My reccomendation is based upon years of experience with modding vehicles, producing custom parts, and ensuring QA throughout the whole process. Just throw 2 hose clamps ($50 ea) and one rubber connector ($7) and jack the price up $8 and call it a day. Offering anything less than that is just putting out an incomplete kit. If you offer the clamps and connector to attach the LSK tube to the TB then you should do the same for attaching the other side of the tube to the rear of the MAFS. I will not even mention the PCV hookup issues that people have had. There have been people who have contacted you about this and even offered solutions free of charge but you still choose to overlook them. That may come off as negligent to some.

The problem is not that customers cannot install it correctly based upon the instructions; it is that there just is not enough correct hardware to ensure a complete PROPER installation.

Providing half a kit for your intake tube would be like me providing my customers with half an STS turbo kit. "Well sir you can have the turbine but I am not going to send you the compressor" just does not fly. ;)

This in NO WAY is meant at vendor bashing you Ken. I respect your company for what it is. Heck, I am a recent customer of yours after getting a LS dual gauge pod assembly from you the other week. I only say these things as a strong reccomendation from one performance business owner (and very knowledgeable performance mechanic and tuner) to another business owner.

The major flaw is the KKM is designed to be attached to the STOCK intake tube. The KKM mounts to the chassis as the stock air box does. That works as the STOCK intake tube has a flex pc in it. When using the Aluminum or S.S. intake tube with the KKM unit you loose the flex part therefore everytime you touch the throttle you are pulling the KKM right off the intake. I don't care if you use masking tape, friction tape (I originally found that to work better) or even clamps.

The proper fix is to...

A. Solid mount the motor. This will keep the motor from pulling the KKM off but not the greatest option. (Yes I'm joking)

B. Loose the supplied KKM bracket and mount the KKM unit to the motor.

The products were designed obviously seperate from each other. The KKM was design to go on the STOCK tube with the flex built in. And while work great on the Aluminum or S.S. tube...its got that flaw.

I consider myself more capable than most "professionals"

Make some brackets like these and be done for ever. I did and it works great and is what I would consider the right way.

The right way.

Also. A silicone connector would work well also but, without the bracket I believe it would bounce around alot will driving.

Also. A silicone connector would work well also but, without the bracket I believe it would bounce around alot will driving.



It won't. Mine is done that way and the connector holds it VERY tight and solid. There is zero bounce or movement happening with the MAFS & filter assembly with just a silicone or rubber connector and its accompanying hose clamps.

It won't. Mine is done that way and the connector holds it VERY tight and solid. There is zero bounce or movement happening with the MAFS & filter assembly with just a silicone or rubber connector and its accompanying hose clamps.

Cool. Either way the wrong way would be connecting it to the chassis without some means of flex.

Unless you never push your throttle down much....but even then its just a matter of time.

where the tube inserts into the MAF housing... looks like a perfect place for a clamp

where the tube inserts into the MAF housing... looks like a perfect place for a clamp

Again, its a hard plastic, clamping it isn't going to work well and possibly crack it.

This was covered a few posts ago.

So you are saying that the stock clamp will tighten the MAF itself onto the intake tube without a soft connector? First of all there is not a clamp on the MAF itself. There is a clamp on the stock intake tube. Now you could reuse that clamp but what exactly will it clamp down to? The rear end of the MAF housing itself? Last I checked hard plastic doesn't exactly shrink much when being clamped. I hope to god I misunderstood what you meant, but I do not think I did.
Yes that is exactly what I meant. It will clamp down snugly and NOT crack the MAF. Also, there is not enough room for a coupler because of where the IAT sensor is located. The IAT sensor wire is not long enough to go farther down the intake tube without making the wire longer. We don't want anyone cutting on the wires if at all possible.

Just because something has happened to work for a period of time does not mean that it is the correct way to do things. Heck, I see people running 150 dryshots on their stock 99-04 Mustang GT's without blowing up yet but it still doesn't make it a smart idea to do so. "Well it hasn't blown up yet" just doesn't cut it.
Good point but where practicality and cost meet are things to consider. I guess buying something that is aftermarket is always some risk of blowing your engine up but it is the user and not typically the item. I tell customers this all time. They ask if it will void my warranty. I tell them as long as you don't drag race your car and blow up your engine it won't. I mean common sense has got to be somewhere!

I never said anything of a stock airbox. What I talk about is the way you reccomend to have the MAFS installed on your intake tube with the KKM (or other custom CAI) kit.

According to a few of my friends who own Gen 1 LS's they have thrown up a complaint about the MAFS slipping off of the LSK intake tube. They were told to use friction tape to help hold it on. That is not the correct way of doing things as it will continue to want to slide off even with the KKM bracket. The KKM bracket may also hold the MAFS in place but it is not a gasket and it is not a rubber or silicone connector and should not be used as replacement for something that gives a proper seal.

Ken none of this is a shot at you, or me trying to tread on your hard work. My reccomendation is based upon years of experience with modding vehicles, producing custom parts, and ensuring QA throughout the whole process. Just throw 2 hose clamps ($50 ea) and one rubber connector ($7) and jack the price up $8 and call it a day. Offering anything less than that is just putting out an incomplete kit. If you offer the clamps and connector to attach the LSK tube to the TB then you should do the same for attaching the other side of the tube to the rear of the MAFS. I will not even mention the PCV hookup issues that people have had. There have been people who have contacted you about this and even offered solutions free of charge but you still choose to overlook them. That may come off as negligent to some.

Well of course it is a shot at my company and me! Why even make a statement like that. However, we have said many times that if there is an issue we want to know about it. NO ONE has stood up and said "I'll make those units for the Lincoln LS community". However, we took the initiative to start. We are definitely not a K&N type of business where we have a $10 million dollar R&D budget for this. It is prototyping at its finest and I'd say 99% of the issues have been worked out for future revisions. We have address this issue on the aluminum tubes. We have NOT had any issues on the stainless tubes. Simply because the guy that makes the stainless tubes made it right the first time. Also, he is about 2 miles from my business so I can make sure it is right. Now ASMI bought a stainless tube from me and copied it to make the aluminum tube without my permission. Then they come back saying they will sell them back to me. So, with that being said they made the product wrong the first time. We have been through about four revisions on the tubes and have offered solutions to customers that bought the previous versions. I'd venture to guess the people you have talked with that have bought the Aluminum tubes bought them some time ago.

The problem is not that customers cannot install it correctly based upon the instructions; it is that there just is not enough correct hardware to ensure a complete PROPER installation.

Providing half a kit for your intake tube would be like me providing my customers with half an STS turbo kit. "Well sir you can have the turbine but I am not going to send you the compressor" just does not fly. ;)

This in NO WAY is meant at vendor bashing you Ken. I respect your company for what it is. Heck, I am a recent customer of yours after getting a LS dual gauge pod assembly from you the other week. I only say these things as a strong reccomendation from one performance business owner (and very knowledgeable performance mechanic and tuner) to another business owner.
We do appreciate any feedback from our customers. However, we have not had very many people state that there was a problem. If they did we worked through the issue to make sure they received what they needed. So, in retrospect if we don't know there is an issue we can not fix it. Your comments and recommendations are welcomed.

The right way.
Your set up is very good since it is secured to the motor and not the body. I'd be interested in the two brackets you made. This might be something we could incorporate. Shoot me a PM and we can discuss.

Yes that is exactly what I meant. It will clamp down snugly and NOT crack the MAF. Also, there is not enough room for a coupler because of where the IAT sensor is located. The IAT sensor wire is not long enough to go farther down the intake tube without making the wire longer. We don't want anyone cutting on the wires if at all possible.


Ken that is HARD ABS plastic, it is neither designed nor meant to be clamped. Plain and simply it is not the proper way to secure a MAFS to an intake tube, PERIOD. There is no way around that. Also the IATS will not be in the way if you pull the rear of the MAFS away from the tube by about another 1/2". That will give plenty enough bearing surface for the coupler and clamp to compress down to on the tube side and also not have you run into any issues with the filter hitting the drivers side compartment bulkhead either. No relocation of the IATS will need to take place so no worries of this.


Good point but where practicality and cost meet are things to consider. I guess buying something that is aftermarket is always some risk of blowing your engine up but it is the user and not typically the item. I tell customers this all time. They ask if it will void my warranty. I tell them as long as you don't drag race your car and blow up your engine it won't. I mean common sense has got to be somewhere!

You are exactly right common sense should prevail. In this case with the way that MAFS is connected to your intake tube it is not. I challenge you to take pictures of the way you reccomend the MAFS connect to the intake tube onto a Mustang forum with a memberbase whom are on average much more knowledgeable with this stuff than the typical member you will find here. I have an idea that your feelings would get hurt real quick by their feedback. Ken, I am telling you that this is the wrong way of doing thing. How many times do I need to tell you this before you pay attention??? An extra $8.00 in cost will not hurt you whatsoever. After all, you more or less have the market cornered on these intake tubes for the Gen 1 LS anyways. If this was just you doing this intake to just your car then I would say something and if you didn't like what I said I would move on. However, being that you are selling these to other people I feel an obligation as an experienced performance mechanic and tuner to tell you that your intake tube system is incomplete and something needs to be done about it.



Well of course it is a shot at my company and me! Why even make a statement like that. However, we have said many times that if there is an issue we want to know about it. NO ONE has stood up and said "I'll make those units for the Lincoln LS community". However, we took the initiative to start. We are definitely not a K&N type of business where we have a $10 million dollar R&D budget for this. It is prototyping at its finest and I'd say 99% of the issues have been worked out for future revisions. We have address this issue on the aluminum tubes. We have NOT had any issues on the stainless tubes. Simply because the guy that makes the stainless tubes made it right the first time. Also, he is about 2 miles from my business so I can make sure it is right. Now ASMI bought a stainless tube from me and copied it to make the aluminum tube without my permission. Then they come back saying they will sell them back to me. So, with that being said they made the product wrong the first time. We have been through about four revisions on the tubes and have offered solutions to customers that bought the previous versions. I'd venture to guess the people you have talked with that have bought the Aluminum tubes bought them some time ago.


Ken, if you want to make this personal then that is your perogative. You can either sit there and take offense to what I say or take it on board and make your product better because of it. The choice is yours. The problem I see with your tubes goes nothing much further than the way the MAFS connects to the intake tube itself. It is not a secure connection and WILL leak unmetered air into the system. That WILL cause a lean condition to happen. Fix the potential for that leak to occur by providing the proper hardware to give a proper seal and I will not say a thing further.


We do appreciate any feedback from our customers. However, we have not had very many people state that there was a problem. If they did we worked through the issue to make sure they received what they needed. So, in retrospect if we don't know there is an issue we can not fix it. Your comments and recommendations are welcomed.


Do you really need someone to come to you with a blown engine before you do something to better your product? Be proactive and fix this issue before it causes you problems. I am VERY surprised no one has had issues with this yet. Or maybe they had issues but did not know where they stemmed from. I am telling you now that there is a big flaw in your intake tube kit and I highly suggest that you fix it. All it can do is make your product better.

What I reccomend is not a frivolous cost, it is something that is neccessary for proper operation, through good seal, of that MAFS with the vehicle.

I have had no problems. I highly doubt anyone will get a "blown engine" from some air bypassing the MAF. Worst that will happen is it may run a little rough. Besides, I believe it was Ford that put a hose clamp there to begin with. I understand the post about not being able to mount the bracket because the engine shifts when you step on it. I dont have this problem, not really a lead foot. Never really have seen much movement from the engine when revving either though. In this forum we always see everyones problems, and I cannot recall ever seeing a post about having a problem with the intake tube, other than one of the hoses are hard to hook up.

I have had no problems. I highly doubt anyone will get a "blown engine" from some air bypassing the MAF. Worst that will happen is it may run a little rough. Besides, I believe it was Ford that put a hose clamp there to begin with. I understand the post about not being able to mount the bracket because the engine shifts when you step on it. I dont have this problem, not really a lead foot. Never really have seen much movement from the engine when revving either though. In this forum we always see everyones problems, and I cannot recall ever seeing a post about having a problem with the intake tube, other than one of the hoses are hard to hook up.



Air bypassing the MAFS WILL cause problems. The MAFS is the only sensor telling the vehicle how much air is coming into the engine. If this reading is inaccurate then your fueling will be off which will throw your air/fuel ratio off which will cause the car to either run like dogcrap or worse. The present way the MAFS is attached to the intake tube has very big potential to let this happen with its current configuration.

Also Ford did put a hoseclamp in that area, but it was to connect the softer stock into tube to the MAFS; not the other way around. The stock intake tube has give so it could compress to fit snugly onto the rear of the MAFS. The MAFS housing itself does not have any give, due to it being hard ABS plastic. So when trying to be clamped onto something else it will not secure in any real way. Bottom line is that other things can be clamped onto the MAFS but not vice versa.

I see that the clamp goes around the part that you are saying does not compress. So If this does not work explain to me why ford put it there. Not saying it is right, but that is where it is even with the stock tube. actually I still have my stock tube and they are both rather hard abs plastic.27742

From looking at my closeups and my stock tube in my hand, only thing different mounting wise is my intake tube is now hard metal, not hard plastic.

Looks and feels like the same plastic to me


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Looks and feels like the same plastic to me


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Go look again.

Do you really need someone to come to you with a blown engine before you do something to better your product? Be proactive and fix this issue before it causes you problems. I am VERY surprised no one has had issues with this yet. Or maybe they had issues but did not know where they stemmed from. I am telling you now that there is a big flaw in your intake tube kit and I highly suggest that you fix it. All it can do is make your product better.

What I reccomend is not a frivolous cost, it is something that is neccessary for proper operation, through good seal, of that MAFS with the vehicle.
We will look into the issue you have raised but someone having a blown engine will not be caused by the intake tube OR the KKM kit. If you have any other issues with me about this item I suggest you email me directly. We have not had issues with this intake setup as you have seen from other people that have it on this website. Also, contrary to what you think we have not "cornered" the market on these units. KKM makes the intake kits and ASMI makes the intake tubes. Both can be purchased from them individually but we sell them at the same price.

Considering the original topic has gone off course I'm sure the original poster has got more information that they have deserved.

Do you really need someone to come to you with a blown engine before you do something to better your product? Be proactive and fix this issue before it causes you problems. I am VERY surprised no one has had issues with this yet. Or maybe they had issues but did not know where they stemmed from. I am telling you now that there is a big flaw in your intake tube kit and I highly suggest that you fix it. All it can do is make your product better.

What I reccomend is not a frivolous cost, it is something that is neccessary for proper operation, through good seal, of that MAFS with the vehicle.

OK. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about here. There is no way in hell that you will blow your engine with an intake tube and an aftermarket filter. I think you just do not have the automotive knowledge to know how to clean the damn filter right. I think you put too much oil on the filter, you ran the car, oil got sucked up into the valves and that is what blew your engine.

You can't expect him to fix a flaw that you created. I had this tube, never had a problem...my friend put this tube on a Jaguar S-type and never had a problem... 99.9% of people on this forum havent had problems with this product...

Maybe you just bought a United States hunk of S***? Did you ever think of that? The LS is notorious for idiotic problems like this...it's a FORD, what can you expect? FORD has more lemons than a Latin American Lemon facility, so maybe you should do a little research on why this problem occured, and ask someone a little more knowledgable about cars before accusing KEN for blowing your engine, when clearly it's not his fault.

We will look into the issue you have raised but someone having a blown engine will not be caused by the intake tube OR the KKM kit. If you have any other issues with me about this item I suggest you email me directly. We have not had issues with this intake setup as you have seen from other people that have it on this website. Also, contrary to what you think we have not "cornered" the market on these units. KKM makes the intake kits and ASMI makes the intake tubes. Both can be purchased from them individually but we sell them at the same price.

Considering the original topic has gone off course I'm sure the original poster has got more information that they have deserved.



A blown engine will not result from a properly installed intake tube or KKM kit. A blown engine can result from unmetered air entering the engine from a faulty intake which in turn will cause a lean condition which can and usually does lead to detonation. In this case I label this as a faulty intake due to the MAF being connected in a totally unacceptable manner to the intake tube. Ken, sorry to say but you are not a tuner and are not likely to be very experienced with building performance cars so stop assuming like you know what you are talking about here. This has gone far enough and I am tired of you claiming to know what you are talking about here. You may be a vendor but that does not qualify what you say. You obviously do not understand these cars well enough if you say that a blown engine cannot result from unmetered air entering the intake. I may look like a newby due to my post count here but I can assure you that I am likely to have years more experience with building and tuning performance vehicles.

Having a market cornered is not a bad thing and that comment was meant more as a compliment than as a shot. In reality you more or less to have allot of the LS market cornered with your business due to your name being out there among the LS crowd and that can only be a good thing. I think you may have misunderstood me there.

Ken, so far it is not looking too good on that Mustang forum I mentioned. I have posted pictures and an explanation of your intake system in the thread in there and am doing a poll. So far 80% of the people polled are in agreement with the point of view that your system is in need of something to better seal the MAF to the tube. I imagine that percentage will go drastically up once more people see the thread. If you would like, I can post the link to the thread in there so you have an opportunity to present "your side" of things if you feel the need to do so? If you prefer me not to then I will understand.

Once again, I tried to be nice and give constructive feedback to you but it seems you do not want to hear it. By doing so you are putting your customers at a disadvantage. Ken I suggest you take my advice, whether something has happened or not, and do something about this. It is a simple and relatively inexpensive fix that will only serve to better your product.

Ken if you would prefer I can call you directly on your business number so there is minimal chance of miscommunication. I am a very civil fella and only am trying to help you out here.

OK. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about here. There is no way in hell that you will blow your engine with an intake tube and an aftermarket filter. I think you just do not have the automotive knowledge to know how to clean the damn filter right. I think you put too much oil on the filter, you ran the car, oil got sucked up into the valves and that is what blew your engine.

You can't expect him to fix a flaw that you created. I had this tube, never had a problem...my friend put this tube on a Jaguar S-type and never had a problem... 99.9% of people on this forum havent had problems with this product...

Maybe you just bought a United States hunk of S***? Did you ever think of that? The LS is notorious for idiotic problems like this...it's a FORD, what can you expect? FORD has more lemons than a Latin American Lemon facility, so maybe you should do a little research on why this problem occured, and ask someone a little more knowledgable about cars before accusing KEN for blowing your engine, when clearly it's not his fault.



Jeff, I never said that an intake tube or KKM in itself will blow an engine if installed properly. What I did say is that is an intake is NOT installed properly (aka no connector from MAF to tube) then unmetered air will enter the system and a lean condition WILL result. If the leak is bad enough then that lean condition will have a very large propensity to cause detonation due to the air fuel ratio being screwed up and likely extremely lean. Given the conditions it can cause an engine to blow.

I do not even have a Gen 1 LS, I have a Gen 2 actually. I have not blown any engine here so I do not know what you are talking about. Try to read my posts again before coming to any conclusions like that.

I also do not appreciate the personal shots you are trying to take at me. I am here to give good advice and do not require some peabrain like yourself to add your two cents on something you obviously do not know about.

Once again, have an idea of what I am saying before posting a reply like you did. It is apparent that you did not read my posts in their entirety otherwise you would not have posted in the manner you did.

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In all of these pictures do you see one single CAI without two clamps and a rubber or silicone connector upstream of the MAF sensor??? I didn't think so. That is for a reason. :D Like I said, two hose clamps and a rubber or silicone connector and you will be fine. Friction tape, a bracket, or a clamp directly on the back of the hard ABS plastic MAF sensor housing itself will not cut it.

OK. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about here. There is no way in hell that you will blow your engine with an intake tube and an aftermarket filter. I think you just do not have the automotive knowledge to know how to clean the damn filter right. I think you put too much oil on the filter, you ran the car, oil got sucked up into the valves and that is what blew your engine.

You can't expect him to fix a flaw that you created. I had this tube, never had a problem...my friend put this tube on a Jaguar S-type and never had a problem... 99.9% of people on this forum havent had problems with this product...

Maybe you just bought a United States hunk of S***? Did you ever think of that? The LS is notorious for idiotic problems like this...it's a FORD, what can you expect? FORD has more lemons than a Latin American Lemon facility, so maybe you should do a little research on why this problem occured, and ask someone a little more knowledgable about cars before accusing KEN for blowing your engine, when clearly it's not his fault.

Your funny.

Classic internet forum stuff. The guy who knows nothing misunderstanding the point and trying to put the smart poster in there place.

And then bashes the car that he doesn't have no more.

I just checked my MAF and while the brackets prevent the unit from moving, the traction tape is coming out and potentially a leak. I'll be adding a silicone connector now to complete it.


This is funny really. How can anyone who installed this unit not question that attachment? Look at my thread on installing it. I was being nice about my disappointment with the fitment, just suggesting I fixed it and not picking apart its poor design.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=16678

I also E-mailed you Ken on Sept 25, 06 about the issue where you suggested a "silicone connector", yep you sure did. I showed you the bracket arrangement I made. You suggested letting you know how it holds up. That to me was funny as the way the kit as sent, it would never hold up. On Dec 8, 06 I followed up with informing you they were holding up well and offering you a set to use for duplication which you never responded to.

I can not believe that no one else hasn't had concern for the attachment being a leak. Again by not having a flex point connecting it to the chassis is wrong.

oops! And all of a sudden the problems are resurging...

You wanted complaints, there you have them.

Keep in mind folks. Ken only sells the products, someone else manufacturers them. Ken has little power to make changed to how something is designed.

Keep in mind folks. Ken only sells the products, someone else manufacturers them. Ken has little power to make changed to how something is designed.
That is correct. We do NOT make the intake kits. However, I have sent a link of this discussion to KKM and to ASMI to show them what is being said about their products. Unless they decide to make changes then the products are sold as is from them.

when I first had my alum tube w/ the KKM my MAFS fell off a lot. I'd be driving along and the car would sputter sputter and die. Thankfully never at any great speeds, or while at the track. But upon opening the hood I found that the MAf+KKM had fallen off the intake tube. Even after I cranked the bejeezus out of it. So to fix It I made a cusotm heatshield out of thin steel and cut a hole in it. this helped support the maf and filter combo from the bottom which then prevented the issue, and saved me from harmful heat.
pictures here of my apparatus..
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f367/DevIiLSh/MIXPIX029.jpg?t=1185308859
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f367/DevIiLSh/MIXPIX033-1.jpg?t=1185308939
Soon after that I wanted to route the ram air tube to the fitler to get more cold air but I wanted a cleaner more stock apporach, so I cut the alum intake tube a few inches, bought 2 black silicone couplers, and hose clamps, then used the stock airxbox(which the MAF bolts to) and then put a coupler on the end of the maf which met up to the tube. I had plans of poweder coating the tube and TB all black, but ran out of money for that setup. However i cut a hoel in the bottom of the airbox which the ram air tube led to, and wallah, i gained some top end power and never had the fear of having my filter+maf fall off....

Here is the finished product-
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f367/DevIiLSh/LSproject018.jpg?t=1185309028
good luck getting that thing to "fall off"

So for the orig poster, here is anotehr method you can use, which IMO brought me a lot cooler air, the plastic OEM box insulates better and the KN drop in filter performs well.

P.S. this tube is for sale by me, airbox, pipe, couplers, clamps are FS 235 shipped....
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f367/DevIiLSh/intake.jpg

For Ken, here are 3 easy ways to recommend to cutomers that experience a problem,a supportive heatshield, this airbox set up, and of course Jason's brackets. Thats all I got for now haha:)

Keep in mind folks. Ken only sells the products, someone else manufacturers them. Ken has little power to make changed to how something is designed.

Yes, but for sake of reputation you should and could add pieces or instructions to correct problems if you know they exist.

Its simple really.

The KKM when installed alone probably is fine as the stock air tube to MAF is retained. The KKM included bracket helps support and because the stock tube has some flex to it and the stock air tube to MAF is solid, I bet these customers have no complaints.

When installing to the Aluminum intake tube are when the KKM supplied bracket should be ditched and another silicone coupler should be supplied. If the silicone coupler was a bellows stlye, then the bracket could be retained. But in there has to be a connector to seal the MAF to the tube. It doesn't fit anywhere tight enough to be airtite and tape fillers are temperary.

My brackets to me really complete it, but not necessary to fix the problem.

I offered to start a thread back in Dec. to show people how to make the brackets at the same time I offered a set to Ken sharing with him that they were working great. This was with private E-mail. He didn't take me up on a set or suggest starting the thread to assist people with the problem. I got no answer.

Would you like me to now? It would include the bracket making with a silicone coupler to absolutely correct any issues I can think off.

Yes, but for sake of reputation you should and could add pieces or instructions to correct problems if you know they exist.

Its simple really.

The KKM when installed alone probably is fine as the stock air tube to MAF is retained. The KKM included bracket helps support and because the stock tube has some flex to it and the stock air tube to MAF is solid, I bet these customers have no complaints.

When installing to the Aluminum intake tube are when the KKM supplied bracket should be ditched and another silicone coupler should be supplied. If the silicone coupler was a bellows stlye, then the bracket could be retained. But in there has to be a connector to seal the MAF to the tube. It doesn't fit anywhere tight enough to be airtite and tape fillers are temperary.

My brackets to me really complete it, but not necessary to fix the problem.

I offered to start a thread back in Dec. to show people how to make the brackets at the same time I offered a set to Ken sharing with him that they were working great. This was with private E-mail. He didn't take me up on a set or suggest starting the thread to assist people with the problem. I got no answer.

Would you like me to now? It would include the bracket making with a silicone coupler to absolutely correct any issues I can think off.
You should wait on that until KKM or ASMI responds to these issues (I have sent them a link to this discussion). If they want to make the changes to their products then that is their perogative. However, if they don't merit the changes then as I said earlier the product will stay as is.

I've from day one backed these products to the nay-sayers. I believe in the HP they have provided and contribute my 1/4mile performance to them. Stood up for the product in the heat soaking arguements. And till now kept my opinion on the design flaws or even lack of completeness silent. I offer to provide free detailed directions to correct and complete for the second time and get turned down.

Thats really lame and so are they.

I quess I am more interested in the LS performance world than they. Sad.

We now have a member who admits his MAF has fallen off leaving him to correct this his own way and thats not a problem? What if engine damage occurred or a accident was caused during the stall?

Oh yeah theres disclaimers for that. Nice.

Is anyone else aware that this happens with allot of intake kits for other cars as well. Its just something that happens. Not many aftermarket Intakes come with everything thats needed like that I have seen some that come with just the tube and filter and thats it. The kits usually have a space to fit the MAF directly on with out having to use the factory MAF housing or what have you call it but still they don't always come with the couplers and the bracket and even tho you wont need a coupler for the MAF and tube to fit together some come in 2 or 3 or more pieces without any couplers at all. Sometimes you need to make do with what you have left over from the stock parts or improvise. I had one made for 100 bucks and it couldn't be any more simple.

This car has the simplest Intake kit to copy I have ever seen in my life and the 03+ is even more simple. That guy didn't give me every single thing needed just the silicone couplers and I had used the bracket that came with the filter and adapter but I just bent it a bit to make it fit better and I never had any problems with the thing coming off ever.

Its not Kens fault but the price for such a simple design and what you get is nuts to have to pay...( no offense ) thats the only problem I see, besides that the design is to simple to get wrong.

Keep in mind folks. Ken only sells the products, someone else manufacturers them. Ken has little power to make changed to how something is designed.



Joey,

It is understandable that Ken just sells the product and is not reponsible for manufacture of the tubes themselves. However, it is a vendor's duty to ensure that they only sell properly configured items to their customers. I only sell proper tunes, turbo kits and so on to my customers because I know if I do anything less than that it is my reputation on the line.

The good part is that this is an EASY fix that even a normal, non-mechanic, vendor can do. Just buy two hose clamps and one rubber or silicone connector and throw it in with the intake tube so as to ensure proper seal of the rear of the MAF.

The LSK tube is damn purdy and has the potential to be a GREAT product once it is configured properly. I would hope that such a simple revision such as this will be taken care of so as to ensure no harm to come to LSK's or Ken's reputation as a caring and responsible vendor on here or any other forum.

I've from day one backed these products to the nay-sayers. I believe in the HP they have provided and contribute my 1/4mile performance to them. Stood up for the product in the heat soaking arguements. And till now kept my opinion on the design flaws or even lack of completeness silent. I offer to provide free detailed directions to correct and complete for the second time and get turned down.

Thats really lame and so are they.

I quess I am more interested in the LS performance world than they. Sad.

We now have a member who admits his MAF has fallen off leaving him to correct this his own way and thats not a problem? What if engine damage occurred or a accident was caused during the stall?

Oh yeah theres disclaimers for that. Nice.
If you have a solution for folks that already have the intakes then post what you have. Of course, you already did that on the first page. What I'm referring to is to the intake kits yet to be made. If the manufacturers think there is a need for change then they have the avenue here. I'll support whatever they decide simply because it is their product.

Not many aftermarket Intakes come with everything thats needed like that I have seen some that come with just the tube and filter and thats it. The kits usually have a space to fit the MAF directly on with out having to use the factory MAF housing.





Actually 99% of intake kits I have seen are complete and full units that take care of everything between the TB and the tip of the filter. Including, but not limited to, TB silicone connector, intermediate connector, intake tube(s), MAFS silicone connector, hose clamps, MAF housing flange adapter (if not integrated into tubing), bolts for MAF adapter, and air filter w/ clamp. Some also come with a filter support bracket as well. That is an outline of the typical CAI kit you will buy from a reputable manufacturer.

As for removing the MAF sensor from its original housing? That is doable but a retune will need to happen. This is still not a very common practice for most Ford vehicles until about 2005 when allot more vehicles swapped to the slot-in meters (though the LS did it in 03). Now that a majority of Ford's use the slot-in MAF sensors the practice of making bolt-in meter installations is more popular and it has since started to rub off on the pre-05 crowd too. It is still nowhere near as common a practice to say that it is a "usual" thing.

Your funny.

Classic internet forum stuff. The guy who knows nothing misunderstanding the point and trying to put the smart poster in there place.

And then bashes the car that he doesn't have no more.

What can I say? I'm a Teenaged Punk, I'm SUPPOSED to be like that.

*Edit
ACTUALLY, I do appologize to ILLS, I was reading a couple other posts and closed out the wrong window to go get something to eat. I read this one post when I got back and I guess they got intertwined when II got back to the PC. I just was thinking about the post on my way back and read only that one response, and thinking back on the other recent thread about A LS problem.

The lincoln was probably the worst running car I've ever owned to be honest, but...of course, when it ran right I loved the thing. GS430 all the way!!

Actually 99% of intake kits I have seen are complete and full units that take care of everything between the TB and the tip of the filter. Including, but not limited to, TB silicone connector, intermediate connector, intake tube(s), MAFS silicone connector, hose clamps, MAF housing flange adapter (if not integrated into tubing), bolts for MAF adapter, and air filter w/ clamp. Some also come with a filter support bracket as well. That is an outline of the typical CAI kit you will buy from a reputable manufacturer.

As for removing the MAF sensor from its original housing? That is doable but a retune will need to happen. This is still not a very common practice for most Ford vehicles until about 2005 when allot more vehicles swapped to the slot-in meters (though the LS did it in 03). Now that a majority of Ford's use the slot-in MAF sensors the practice of making bolt-in meter installations is more popular and it has since started to rub off on the pre-05 crowd too. It is still nowhere near as common a practice to say that it is a "usual" thing.

Actually you are very wrong, there is no way you can own a performance shop and be bitching about all this cause if you did you would have known what to do off the bat with some understanding towards it you probably wouldnt be all over your nuts in this thread about it either and you wouldnt come up with statistics like that. One in mind right now is Injen, I have seen many Injen Intake ( not every single one ) not come with clamps and also have the space for the MAF to fit right on the tube. There is a little hole and a few maybe 2-3 little holes for screws to fit right into so the MAF bolts right on. And you wont need a retune if the reputable company is smart enough to make sure it stays in the correct spot.

I had a 13b that was stock at the time put into my Datsun, I got an intake kit from the best company out there for parts for this engine. It was a raceing beat kit IMO the best there is for the RX-7 and all it came with was some damn metal tubes and filters.

I have seen Intakes that twist and turn all over the engine bay like a hamsters habitrail made of many pieces and still not come with the connectors or clamps etc. etc.

Now you state 99% of them come with everythin needed??, start looking around, this is the internet do you think I didnt easly research this over a good time after I came up with this FACT it is pretty easy all you have to do is type it in a search and take a look at some good brands and youll see. Dont Thread jump when you are completely wrong. Dont take things this far off topic either for no reason if you are such a great performance mechanic this honestly should not have ever been a concern to you and you probably know someone that can make something better. I do and I dont know much at all about mechanics I leave that up to other people I just love cars but I still never came off bitching at the only person that sells stuff for this car.

You are wrong, Im not flaming you but I have no other way to put it.

Injen BLOWS, so saying that theres didnt come with the clamps + connector isnt saying much.

Injen's not all that bad I have seen worse but it is only a small example. I have even went to Advanced once and took a look at the AEM Intake kits ( not my favorite but a common comp. ) and not all of them come with ALL the supplies needed. Some that are one tube only come with one clamp cause of the fact that the MAF has a spot to fit right on the tube and the filter has a clamp on it already so all you need is a clamp that holds to the TB.

Now what these companies like KKM should be doing is making a MAF core or what have you that can fit to the tube they sell with a clamp on it or by using a silicone clamp instead of making just that little adapter and utilizeing the oem MAF core, ( kinda like those crapy autozone kits ) or even if they took the idea of placing the MAF on the tube right after the sensor in the factory position it should be in. That way the filter just hooks right up to the other end of the tube and its said and done. I have seen so many kits like this its in fact my most favored way of doing it.

I used Injen as a example cause it was the first in mind seeing how they have a add on every 5 pages or so of most magazines..

But even still, looking around you'll find some pics with the tubes and clamps but if you read they don't always come with the clamps and it says so. Again I'm not saying every one is like this but allot less than 99% should have been the statistic he reported.

Id say about 60% of companies sell them and some of those companies that sell them with the item for one car sometimes don't sell them with the item for other cars.

Actually you are very wrong, there is no way you can own a performance shop and be bitching about all this cause if you did you would have known what to do off the bat with some understanding towards it you probably wouldnt be all over your nuts in this thread about it either and you wouldnt come up with statistics like that. One in mind right now is Injen, I have seen many Injen Intake ( not every single one ) not come with clamps and also have the space for the MAF to fit right on the tube. There is a little hole and a few maybe 2-3 little holes for screws to fit right into so the MAF bolts right on. And you wont need a retune if the reputable company is smart enough to make sure it stays in the correct spot.

I had a 13b that was stock at the time put into my Datsun, I got an intake kit from the best company out there for parts for this engine. It was a raceing beat kit IMO the best there is for the RX-7 and all it came with was some damn metal tubes and filters.

I have seen Intakes that twist and turn all over the engine bay like a hamsters habitrail made of many pieces and still not come with the connectors or clamps etc. etc.

Now you state 99% of them come with everythin needed??, start looking around, this is the internet do you think I didnt easly research this over a good time after I came up with this FACT it is pretty easy all you have to do is type it in a search and take a look at some good brands and youll see. Dont Thread jump when you are completely wrong. Dont take things this far off topic either for no reason if you are such a great performance mechanic this honestly should not have ever been a concern to you and you probably know someone that can make something better. I do and I dont know much at all about mechanics I leave that up to other people I just love cars but I still never came off bitching at the only person that sells stuff for this car.

You are wrong, Im not flaming you but I have no other way to put it.



First of all you are clearly assuming too much here. Yes I am a performance shop owner and have probably forgotten more about performance and modding while in my sleep last night than you will ever know. I am tired of these personal attacks on my credibility by children like you. My entire purpose was to come into this thread and provide Ken with constructive feedback on his intake tube "kit".

cause if you did you would have known what to do off the bat with some understanding towards it

This is totally preposterous. If you actually read my posts you will notice that I wasn't whining, I was providing a solution. Once again your lack of attention prevails. :rolleyes:

That is an outline of the typical CAI kit you will buy from a reputable manufacturer.

Like I said before, 99% of the intake systems that I have seen came from the manufacturers with all necessary components for a full install. Anything less than that is just a part, not a kit or a system.

Also when you remove the electronics from their original housing and place them into another housing then it is a pretty good likelihood that a retune will be neccessary. The reason for this is because the CAI is meant to move more air obviously and will usually not have the same size tube where the MAF will be bolted into. In the Gen 1 LS's they have a regular MAF assy so a retune is not needed because the area where the aircharge metering takes place is still the same and the metering will not change even if the airflow may go through there faster. In the Gen 2 LS's the slot-in meter is taken nout and bolted into the new CAI tube and does not need a retune either. However, how about we move on over to a higher performance vehicle like an S197 Mustang GT. It is very very common for a retune to be necessary on those cars after an intake because the aftermarket CAI's offered are usually pretty different in the area where the slot-in meter is mounted. If you ever looked in the SCT Advantage tuning software and looked up the 05+ Mustang value files you would see various value files for the different intakes available for the 05+ Mustang GT. The reason for this is that they are a different size than stock, and with that slot-in meter (like in the 03-06 LS) when the area is changed in the place in which the meter is located the MAF transfer function will now be off. Your commanded a/f in your base fuel table will be off and so on.

Your problem is that when you debate something you do not know about you DO AN INTERNET SEARCH. That is where you and I are different. I do not need to do an internet search to know what I am talking about. ;)


I dont know much at all about mechanics I leave that up to other people

This is quite obvious to me....


You are wrong, Im not flaming you but I have no other way to put it.

This coming from a fella who just admitted he "doesn't know much at all about mechanics"??? You are joking right? What you just said is like me thinking I can just go up to a pro baseball player, tell him he doesn't know anything about the game and then proceed to let him in on the fact that I know nothing of baseball. Sorry, but if you hadn't lost all credibility in this thread before, you surely just lost it then.

It is obvious that you do not have any idea what my experience is with this stuff. Either way, it is not worth wasting much more of my time on an unreasonable and unknowledgeable person such as yourself. I came in here to give feedback with intentions of a positive outcome in this matter since no one else seemed willing to do so. I came in here to give sound tech advice to someone who needed it. Not once have I personally attacked anyone in here and I expect the same courtesy in return. This thread has the potential to be very informative to other members here so try to act decent.

:lol:

Take a look around just like I said buddy, the proof is in the products pictures!

Like I said if you had owned some kind of real shop you wouldnt even need to be posting stuff like this at all.

Im not lying, I dont know much about mechanincs but I have some common sense and I am obviously better at problem solving than you.

PLUSS I DONT LIE.

I think of ways all day long to make thigs better but I am not a mechanic so some of these ideas I dont know if they will ever work, now you should be doing the same if your not your lying again and since you are a mechanic you should look at it and in like five seconds realize this is what it needs and thats what Im going to do, add a damn 5$ part.

Another thing is you should deal with so many customers with problems like that daily, thers lots of parts in this game made to fit cars that need some mods some way or another right out the box. You should realize that its not exactly some one like Kens fault right off the bat and understand that there may not be much he can do.

Im not debateing and Im not no kid but Im just giving my 2 cents on a topic that you are driving way far off its heading.

Im not even going into the other stuff said at all, I know and I have seen some kits come with just this and that and as far as the MAF thing goes yah you see I do a search on the internet and read cause I am trying to learn as much as I can cause I dont know much and would like to learn what you obviously have been born with. But anyway what makes it so hard for it to be made in the same specifics? You sound realy bad there I can show some shots for quite a few kits with that added in.

One thing I will admit that I have noticed is more and more kits are coming with the clamps but I still will dissagree that some just dont.

Actually you are very wrong, there is no way you can own a performance shop and be bitching about all this cause if you did you would have known what to do off the bat with some understanding towards it you probably wouldnt be all over your nuts in this thread about it either and you wouldnt come up with statistics like that. One in mind right now is Injen, I have seen many Injen Intake ( not every single one ) not come with clamps and also have the space for the MAF to fit right on the tube. There is a little hole and a few maybe 2-3 little holes for screws to fit right into so the MAF bolts right on. And you wont need a retune if the reputable company is smart enough to make sure it stays in the correct spot.

I had a 13b that was stock at the time put into my Datsun, I got an intake kit from the best company out there for parts for this engine. It was a raceing beat kit IMO the best there is for the RX-7 and all it came with was some damn metal tubes and filters.

I have seen Intakes that twist and turn all over the engine bay like a hamsters habitrail made of many pieces and still not come with the connectors or clamps etc. etc.

Now you state 99% of them come with everythin needed??, start looking around, this is the internet do you think I didnt easly research this over a good time after I came up with this FACT it is pretty easy all you have to do is type it in a search and take a look at some good brands and youll see. Dont Thread jump when you are completely wrong. Dont take things this far off topic either for no reason if you are such a great performance mechanic this honestly should not have ever been a concern to you and you probably know someone that can make something better. I do and I dont know much at all about mechanics I leave that up to other people I just love cars but I still never came off bitching at the only person that sells stuff for this car.

You are wrong, Im not flaming you but I have no other way to put it.



First of all you are clearly assuming too much here. Yes I am a performance shop owner and have probably forgotten more about performance and modding while in my sleep last night than you will ever know. I am tired of these personal attacks on my credibility by punks like you. My entire purpose was to come into this thread and provide Ken with constructive feedback on his intake tube "kit".

cause if you did you would have known what to do off the bat with some understanding towards it

This is totally preposterous. If you actually read my posts you will notice that I wasn't whining, I was providing a solution. Once again your lack of attention prevails. :rolleyes:

Like I said before, 99% of the intake systems that I have seen came from the manufacturers with all necessary components for a full install. Anything less than that is just a part, not a kit or a system.

Also when you remove the electronics from their original housing and place them into another housing then it is a pretty good likelihood that a retune will be neccessary. The reason for this is because the CAI is meant to move more air obviously and will usually not have the same size tube where the MAF will be bolted into. In the Gen 1 LS's they have a regular MAF assy so a retune is not needed because the area where the aircharge metering takes place is still the same and the metering will not change even if the airflow may go through there faster. In the Gen 2 LS's the slot-in meter is taken nout and bolted into the new CAI tube and does not need a retune either. However, how about we move on over to a higher performance vehicle like an S197 Mustang GT. It is very very common for a retune to be necessary on those cars after an intake because the aftermarket CAI's offered are usually pretty different in the area where the slot-in meter is mounted. If you ever looked in the SCT Advantage tuning software and looked up the 05+ Mustang value files you would see various value files for the different intakes available for the 05+ Mustang GT. The reason for this is that they are a different size than stock, and with that slot-in meter (like in the 03-06 LS) when the area is changed in the place in which the meter is located the MAF transfer function will now be off. Your commanded a/f in your base fuel table will be off and so on.

Your problem is that when you debate something you do not know about you DO AN INTERNET SEARCH. That is where you and I are different. I do not need to do an internet search to know what I am talking about. ;)


I dont know much at all about mechanics I leave that up to other people

This is quite obvious to me....


You are wrong, Im not flaming you but I have no other way to put it.

This coming from a fella who just admitted he "doesn't know much at all about mechanics"??? You are joking right? What you just said is like me thinking I can just go up to a pro baseball player, tell him he doesn't know anything about the game and then proceed to let him in on the fact that I know nothing of baseball. Sorry, but if you hadn't lost all credibility in this thread before, you surely just lost it then.

It is obvious that you do not have any idea what my experience is with this stuff. Either way, it is not worth wasting much more of my time on an unreasonable and unknowledgeable person such as yourself.

Now who's is bigger???..........:)

Now who's is bigger???..........:)
LMFAO! :bowrofl:

PLUSS I DONT LIE.

That's the biggest lie of them all. "I don't lie"...:waving:

I just went and bought 1000 hose clamps and 500 pieces of rubber hose. I will be putting them on ebay for 49.99 for all the LS guys with the filter falling off. For an additional 400.00 I will add in a polished aluminum intake or a stainless steel intake tube. Sorry Ken, but when I see a way to make some money, IM DOING IT. Or if you are having this problem, you can get off your lazy asz and fix it for 5.00 bucks like someone else did, instead of giving constructive criticism on something that he did not design, did not patent, and by the way made it possible for us LS guys to even be able to get an intake tube. Maybe ILLS you should design, patent, and manufacture one. Im sure if you are a performance shop, then you should be able to do something like that, or better yet, how about you sell them and add in the extra required parts for free. Then they can ship them to you first, add in your extra parts it needs(you foot the bill), then you pay for shipping to its final destination, (you foot the bill). Its not like they cost enough already.

I just went and bought 1000 hose clamps and 500 pieces of rubber hose. I will be putting them on ebay for 49.99 for all the LS guys with the filter falling off. For an additional 400.00 I will add in a polished aluminum intake or a stainless steel intake tube. Sorry Ken, but when I see a way to make some money, IM DOING IT. Or if you are having this problem, you can get off your lazy asz and fix it for 5.00 bucks like someone else did, instead of giving constructive criticism on something that he did not design, did not patent, and by the way made it possible for us LS guys to even be able to get an intake tube. Maybe ILLS you should design, patent, and manufacture one. Im sure if you are a performance shop, then you should be able to do something like that, or better yet, how about you sell them and add in the extra required parts for free. Then they can ship them to you first, add in your extra parts it needs(you foot the bill), then you pay for shipping to its final destination, (you foot the bill). Its not like they cost enough already.

+1:lol:

That's the biggest lie of them all. "I don't lie"...:shifty: :N

Now who's is bigger???..........

Is it me or did he already post most of this?:confused:

I love how it is just the children that are in here trying to cause problems. Like I said before, this is a technical discussion, if you want to take cheapshots then do it elswhere. If you want to be a big boy, how about you belly up to the bar here and have a reasonable discussion. Unless you would rather continue to present yourself like am adolescent?

I challenge anyone to actually have an adult conversation on this matter. No cheap-shots, no verbal attacks, no childish remarks. Just a reasonable mature discussion on this matter. You can do that can't you? There have been a few people who actually contributed to this thread but the personal attacks from people like elliot ness and decibels just wipe that away with their childish fits.

I know this is the internet and people tend to hold themselves to a lower standard of decency but there is bound to be some people in here that are actually able to have a mature discussion, whether in agreement or not. I am up to it, are you?

:lol:

Take a look around just like I said buddy, the proof is in the products pictures!

Like I said if you had owned some kind of real shop you wouldnt even need to be posting stuff like this at all.

Im not lying, I dont know much about mechanincs but I have some common sense and I am obviously better at problem solving than you.

PLUSS I DONT LIE.

I think of ways all day long to make thigs better but I am not a mechanic so some of these ideas I dont know if they will ever work, now you should be doing the same if your not your lying again and since you are a mechanic you should look at it and in like five seconds realize this is what it needs and thats what Im going to do, add a damn 5$ part.

Another thing is you should deal with so many customers with problems like that daily, thers lots of parts in this game made to fit cars that need some mods some way or another right out the box. You should realize that its not exactly some one like Kens fault right off the bat and understand that there may not be much he can do.

Im not debateing and Im not no kid but Im just giving my 2 cents on a topic that you are driving way far off its heading.

Im not even going into the other stuff said at all, I know and I have seen some kits come with just this and that and as far as the MAF thing goes yah you see I do a search on the internet and read cause I am trying to learn as much as I can cause I dont know much and would like to learn what you obviously have been born with. But anyway what makes it so hard for it to be made in the same specifics? You sound realy bad there I can show some shots for quite a few kits with that added in.

One thing I will admit that I have noticed is more and more kits are coming with the clamps but I still will dissagree that some just dont.





Sorry I missed this post due to my double post.


Elliot if you do not want to believe that I do what I do then that is your business. Call up the STS Turbo regional sales manager (Vernon Hills) and ask himm if STS has a powerdealer named KBX Performance based out of Lake Villa, IL... Simple enough. ;)

The problem is not that a customer cannot fix this. As I said, as you said and as Ken said it is probably anywhere around a $5-$10 fix in total which is nothing. The problem lies where the recommended installation of the MAFS onto the tube is totally wrong, has caused problems, and will continue to do so. A customer can fix the problem but not all customers know enough to realize that there may be a problem until it is too late. It is the dealers duty to ensure that they sell a product that is not faulty or configured improperly. If they are informed of something amiss then it is their responsibility to make sure it is taken care of through the company they deal with, or taken care of at the dealers level themself. Some companies do not want to hear any feedback, in which case some of us dealers have dropped our contracts with them. The latter of what I mentioned doesn't happen too often, but on occasion it does.

As for your question regarding why companies cannot get the tube sizes right so that no tuning has to take place? Well some do bother to ensure that they design a CAI that will not affect a MAFS calibration with a slot-in meter or bolted in old style meter electronics. However, it is usually beneficial to performance to make the tube just a little bit bigger for more power gains. Due to performance being the goal, the manufacturers do not really worry about the MAFS calibration being slightly thrown off as they include documentation stating so as a warning to the customer. Also, most customers that bother to get a CAI will be very likely to pick up a Predator, Xcal2, Livewire, or other tuner or chip for a tune anyways.

My shop primarily focuses on late model fuel injected forced induction vehicles. I own 3 Fomoco vehicles, including what looks to be the fastest 3.9 Lincoln LS in the country, and am a big Mustang enthusiast so I tend to concentrate on more Ford vehicles than anything else. I do work to other makes of cars too, but nowhere near as much as the Ford line. Of all the CAI's I have installed onto my customers, friends, and own vehicles not a single one didn't come with all components needed for install. Even the JLT CAI's that I have installed came with all the stuff. I also have business and personal ties with other owners of performance shops around the country that work with other makes of vehicles and notice the stuff they work with. The kits for the various GM vehicles that I have seen have come as complete units too.

I love how it is just the children that are in here trying to cause problems. Like I said before, this is a technical discussion, if you want to take cheapshots then do it elswhere. If you want to be a big boy, how about you belly up to the bar here and have a reasonable discussion. Unless you would rather continue to present yourself like am adolescent?

I challenge anyone to actually have an adult conversation on this matter. No cheap-shots, no verbal attacks, no childish remarks. Just a reasonable mature discussion on this matter. You can do that can't you? There have been a few people who actually contributed to this thread but the personal attacks from people like elliot ness and decibels just wipe that away with their childish fits.

I know this is the internet and people tend to hold themselves to a lower standard of decency but there is bound to be some people in here that are actually able to have a mature discussion, whether in agreement or not. I am up to it, are you?


Nuff said, the thing is you challenged a reputable dealer, in fact the only one we basicly have that we can trust for our cars.

Now, there is no way that the MAF cant be adapted to the intake tube, I will stick to that and everything else I say EXCEPT for the cheap shots towards you. I will be adult, appologize and take those back.


As far as the MAF beeing adapted onto the tube itself, I will be seeing the guy that made mine and I will ask if he can make me a new tube like this. I have seen many of them out there and I realy cant see it beeing that hard to make something like this. Think of the design and shape of the factory tubeing itself. It is way different than the aftermarket tubes shape and design so what would be so hard to make it the same size from the front of the MAF core to the rear of the tube where it fits to the TB. And as far as the bore goes, the one from LSK seems to be smaller in bore if you ask me anyway. It actually seems pretty damn close to the bore of the MAF core. The stock tube fits over the core while the one from LSK fits into the core.

Here is a kit for a STIhttp://www.j-w-racing.co.uk/acatalog/HyperCAIT%5B1%5D.gif

Note: This is one of those kits that apears to have all the parts needed.

ASMI will start to put two couplers in with the polished aluminum intake tube kits. Here is their email to me this morning:

Ken, We started putting two blue couplers with orders starting last Monday. I will keep you informed about changing to the intake tube. We raised your price $1.00 which is our cost.
Regards,
Michael


So, the price will stay the same.

ASMI will start to put two couplers in with the polished aluminum intake tube kits. Here is their email to me this morning:



So, the price will stay the same.

Finally!!!
Some results that count.

Sorry bro, Ill have to give my input on the topic since I got involved.

For that Gen LS I would suggest the LSK's ASMI setup with that coupler. The filters you can experiment with your self. I use a Blitz filter but its about expired and I am going to try another filter next. I might go with a HKS filter in that diameter next. The KKM filter and all is good, I used one at first, sold it with the adapter to a friend and as far as I know he's still using it.
For the tube itself I got lucky and live by a shop that can make them and exhausts so I had one made cheap and its fine. Like I said they are all so simple their is really no way of going wrong but the kit on LSK next to having one made is all you'll find for that year.

I love how it is just the children that are in here trying to cause problems. Like I said before, this is a technical discussion, if you want to take cheapshots then do it elswhere. If you want to be a big boy, how about you belly up to the bar here and have a reasonable discussion. Unless you would rather continue to present yourself like am adolescent?

I challenge anyone to actually have an adult conversation on this matter. No cheap-shots, no verbal attacks, no childish remarks. Just a reasonable mature discussion on this matter. You can do that can't you? There have been a few people who actually contributed to this thread but the personal attacks from people like elliot ness and decibels just wipe that away with their childish fits.

I know this is the internet and people tend to hold themselves to a lower standard of decency but there is bound to be some people in here that are actually able to have a mature discussion, whether in agreement or not. I am up to it, are you?


Little kids, any kind of real businessman, would have personally emailed or PMd another business man on how to improve his or her product. I would take it as a personal insult if someone came into my place of business and in front of my customers, told me how to make my products better. You say you own your own shop, thats great, but how would you like it if I came in there and publicly scrutinized a product that you sell, especially if you did not even make it. Whos the kid now. "I know this is the internet and people tend to hold themselves to a lower standard of decency"

Has anyone seen this so-called "fastest LS in the country"? I remember a thread from a couple weeks ago where Quik was asking for proof of this, to no avail.

?? I must have missed this.

My shop primarily focuses on late model fuel injected forced induction vehicles. I own 3 Fomoco vehicles, including what looks to be the fastest 3.9 Lincoln LS in the country, and am a big Mustang enthusiast so I tend to concentrate on more Ford vehicles than anything else. I do work to other makes of cars too, but nowhere near as much as the Ford line. Of all the CAI's I have installed onto my customers, friends, and own vehicles not a single one didn't come with all components needed for install. Even the JLT CAI's that I have installed came with all the stuff. I also have business and personal ties with other owners of performance shops around the country that work with other makes of vehicles and notice the stuff they work with. The kits for the various GM vehicles that I have seen have come as complete units too.

the FASTEST LS IN THE COUNTRY, but no1 has ever seen it nor has he ever enlightened us on his project.

Oh, I didn't even wanna take the time with that, but what about the other post a few weeks ago?

Id love to see this. I think its cool that someone here has a shop all of his own and can put so much into this site for the LS seeing how it has no support besides LSK. I mean if I had a shop I would be supporting the car I love so much all the way. This would be a great opportunity to post adds and links and such in my sig as well, may help my business, if I had one.

Hell, if I had a forced induction shop I know Quick wouldnt be the only SC'ed LS.

Yes point us in the direction of this thread.

I have posted several times as having the fastest Gen1 N/A LS on here and no ones argued. I also run with the fastest Gen2 N/A, and with power adder.

Now, there is no way that the MAF cant be adapted to the intake tube, I will stick to that and everything else I say EXCEPT for the cheap shots towards you. I will be adult, appologize and take those back.


As far as the MAF beeing adapted onto the tube itself, I will be seeing the guy that made mine and I will ask if he can make me a new tube like this. I have seen many of them out there and I realy cant see it beeing that hard to make something like this. Think of the design and shape of the factory tubeing itself. It is way different than the aftermarket tubes shape and design so what would be so hard to make it the same size from the front of the MAF core to the rear of the tube where it fits to the TB. And as far as the bore goes, the one from LSK seems to be smaller in bore if you ask me anyway. It actually seems pretty damn close to the bore of the MAF core. The stock tube fits over the core while the one from LSK fits into the core.


Elliot ness ls, I appreciate your effort in being more reaonable in here. I know we can all have a good discussion about this.

One thing I am curious on is that you said that "there is no way the MAF can't be adapted to the intake tube"... I am curious what I said to appear like I was contradicting that. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you mean here. Please clarify. Are you talking about the LSK tube fitment itself or are you talking about the older (non slot-in) MAF electronics setup being placed into a new tube with a metal adapter welded to it?

It doesn't matter what thread it was, let us see the proof of the fastest gen1 LS in the COUNTRY!

It doesn't matter what thread it was, let us see the proof of the fastest gen1 LS in the COUNTRY!

You new here?

Like the one in the shot I posted. The unit itself comes off of its core or housing, what ever the proper word for it is and sits in the tube like it does on its core or what have you.

You say it as if it cant be done at all, or even as if there is no way to make a new core but with out the need for the adapter for the filter on one end and a clamp made on the other to clamp on the tube like those crapy Spectere ones from autozone.

You new here?

I'm not talking to you, so I don't know why you are talking to me...

Then who are you talking to.

You new here?

Jason, they got it mixed up. They are talking about my LS. I don't know how they started saying Gen 1 LS. I told them I have the fastest 3.9 LS in the country.

The question they asked is does ILLS have the fastest 3.9 LS in the country??? Jason, since you know me and have seen my car run in person can you please answer that since some people do not believe what I say.

Also what project am I just about to start with the LS here very soon?

Sorry to put you on the spot like this but apparently my word isn't good enough. :)

Yes point us in the direction of this thread.

I have posted several times as having the fastest Gen1 N/A LS on here and no ones argued. I also run with the fastest Gen2 N/A, and with power adder.


But I thought your best friend ILLS just said his was the fastest. Make up your minds.

Oh, I didn't even wanna take the time with that, but what about the other post a few weeks ago?

Id love to see this. I think its cool that someone here has a shop all of his own and can put so much into this site for the LS seeing how it has no support besides LSK. I mean if I had a shop I would be supporting the car I love so much all the way. This would be a great opportunity to post adds and links and such in my sig as well, may help my business, if I had one.

Hell, if I had a forced induction shop I know Quick wouldnt be the only SC'ed LS.



I do not post any links in my sig because I am not an authorized vendor here and that would be considered indecent and just plain not allowable.

BTW, Quik WILL be the only supercharged LS... ;) .......because I am going turbo'd. :cool:

Oh ssshnap, its gettin good!

Jason, they got it mixed up. They are talking about my LS. I don't know how they started saying Gen 1 LS. I told them I have the fastest LS in the country.

The question they asked is does ILLS have the fastest 3.9 LS in the country??? Jason, since you know me and have seen my car run in person can you please answer that since some people do not believe what I say.

Also what project am I just about to start with the LS here very soon?

Sorry to put you on the spot like this but apparently my word isn't good enough. :)

He said he ain't talking to me but clearly responded to the Gen1. That would be me.

Like I said I run with the fastest Gen2 N/A and with power adder. If they haven't put 2 and 2 together that would be you.

I have your fastest N/A run and fastest NOS run slips as I was right next to you.

About to start? You already started the support system for it.

I do not post any links in my sig because I am not an authorized vendor here and that would be considered indecent and just plain not allowable.


????? I see lots of people with links to clubs or shops and even stuff they sell.

If it helps support the LS and this comunity devoted towards it I dont see the big deal.

As for your turbo'd LS, I wish you good luck. On a serious note I wish someone would come up with a supercharger or turbo for the LS. If you are serious about owning your own performance shop and you intend on actually turboing a LS, keep us informed with proof. If not, dont waste our time. Also, why dont you pay to become a vendor. You seem to have alot to offer. You do have the two fastest LSs N/A in the country. You may gain some business if you can prove it. This is for ILLS

Had to add N/A, Its still a fu<kin 3.9l

But I thought your best friend ILLS just said his was the fastest. Make up your minds.

Gen1 and Gen2 very different.

I have never said to have had the fastest LS. Fastest Gen1 N/A is what I have.

He said he ain't talking to me but clearly responded to the Gen1. That would be me.

Like I said I run with the fastest Gen2 N/A and with power adder. If they haven't put 2 and 2 together that would be you.

I have your fastest N/A run and fastest NOS run slips as I was right next to you.

About to start? You already started the support system for it.


I was mildly confused about the Gen 1 talk too. :D

I won't comment on the "two and two together" thing.....but I am sure you can read my thoughts on that one....;) :D :D :p

Yes, about to start. I ordered the turbo, wastegate, oil system and all that a few days ago. I also ordered a 60-1 kit for a certain someone too....ahem......aaaaaheeeeemmmm... ;)

The testing on the Ford GT pump is going well so far. I haven't logged the FPDC yet but I am sure that it has dropped considerably. Once I run a full tank through this fuel pump then I will drop the Cobra 39's in and retune it for those. Then it is onto the fun stuff.

Gen1 and Gen2 very different.

I have never said to have had the fastest LS. Fastest Gen1 N/A is what I have.


And just how fast is it. What do you have that all the other people cannot buy. Intake, exhaust, tune? Or did you just take all the interior out of the car to make it lighter. What kit are you guys running and what shot?

????? I see lots of people with links to clubs or shops and even stuff they sell.

If it helps support the LS and this comunity devoted towards it I dont see the big deal.



Though it may help some people on this site, this site is still a business. I am sure Joey would be livid if I just started advertising on his site. It is just professional courtesy that I do not advertise here unless I am an authorized paying vendor.

And just how fast is it. What do you have that all the other people cannot buy. Intake, exhaust, tune? Or did you just take all the interior out of the car to make it lighter.

Your right, I have the same as everyone else currently. I just seem to have the fastest timeslip by a fair amount.





Here it goes...thats not fast anyways.

As for your turbo'd LS, I wish you good luck. On a serious note I wish someone would come up with a supercharger or turbo for the LS. If you are serious about owning your own performance shop and you intend on actually turboing a LS, keep us informed with proof. If not, dont waste our time. Also, why dont you pay to become a vendor. You seem to have alot to offer. You do have the two fastest LSs N/A in the country. You may gain some business if you can prove it. This is for ILLS

Had to add N/A, Its still a fu<kin 3.9l


The problem is that the market will not support a Lincoln LS supercharger or turbo kit. I have discussed this on another lincoln forum so I will just copy and paste into here what I said there.



"I have done quite a bit of market analysis on the Lincoln LS. Unfortunately there is more than one thing going against it.


1) It is a discontinued model which means that from this point on there will only be less LS's on the road at any given time in the future. Shrinking market.
2) It was never widely popular with the performance crowd which would be the only way to overcome #1 above.
3) Most LS owners either fall into the demographic of: Middle aged person looking for luxury car with maybe a little oomph from small bolt-ons (AKA doesn't want to spend a few grand on turbos) or the younger kid who primarily want more show than go. There are exceptions to this but they are FEW.
4) The LS platform is not VERY modfriendly, though with a little thought there can be ALLOT available. Much moreso than what most anyone else will claim for these cars.


I love the LS and would like nothing more than to see fellow owners have something available but business is business and it is just not a smart investment to make a kit available for the masses at this time. In the performance business there are two types of customers, buyers and tirekickers. The usual percantage we in this business run into is 75% tirekicker and 25% buyer. Of that 25% buyer we run into maybe only 1/4 of them would even consider doing a more serious mod like a turbo, supercharger, nitrous or full engine build for their vehicle. The numbers just aren't in the LS's favor."


I will not keep anyone informed of the turbo project for proof, but I will keep people informed due to the fact that others might be interested in a project like this. I suggest you be careful with your words as they borderline on being disrespectful. We don't need that kind of stuff in here.

I have the fastest N/A and overall fastest LS in the country which happens to be a Gen2. It is not two cars it is one and the same. One vehicle. I ran the fastest ET for a N/A LS at 14.2 in the 1/4 mile. I also ran a fastest of 13.3 @ 106.5 MPH in the 1/4 last year on nitrous and with zero traction. Had traction existed I would have easily ran a 12 second pass, as indicated by my 106 MPH trap speed. Yay open differential and stock tires. The nest time the LS see's the strip the traction issue should be resolved.


Had to add N/A, Its still a fu<kin 3.9l


I am not following you here with this comment. :confused: What exactly did you mean?

Your right, I have the same as everyone else currently. I just seem to have the fastest timeslip by a fair amount.





Here it goes...thats not fast anyways.

I am not ragging on you or questioning you, I am curious, As you can see I have an LS that is the complete opposite of performance. I have just about run out of reasonable things to do to my car. I have been giving thoughts of buying another LS and going the performance route. gen 1s are pretty cheap now. I am the type of person that will hardwire all of my electronics and put a chevy 350 or ford 5.0 in a new car. Everyone wants the fastest LS, but no one wants to get rid of the luxuries of the car. You see a lot of "engine swap" questions, but noone has the money to do it. Or should I say no one wants to spend that much money to make the car faster. There has to be a way, and I want to know how.

Or should I say no one wants to spend that much money to make the car faster. There has to be a way, and I want to know how.



You pretty much answered your own question with the talk of money. I forget which thread it was, but I posted a nice, long, detailed list of some very extensive power mods that can be done to the LS. You will find more of your answer in that thread.

The reason why you will only see my LS running around on just a turbo and not a built custom bottom end is because I just got done sinking another $15k (on top of the initial $10k for performance) into my primary shop vehicle as of this last January. I also needed a demo vehicle for an STS turbo system for my shop so the LS was chosen. Maybe in the few years you will see a built bottom end in my LS but not anytime soon as there are bigger fish to fry.

I am not ragging on you or questioning you, I am curious, As you can see I have an LS that is the complete opposite of performance. I have just about run out of reasonable things to do to my car. I have been giving thoughts of buying another LS and going the performance route. gen 1s are pretty cheap now. I am the type of person that will hardwire all of my electronics and put a chevy 350 or ford 5.0 in a new car. Everyone wants the fastest LS, but no one wants to get rid of the luxuries of the car. You see a lot of "engine swap" questions, but noone has the money to do it. Or should I say no one wants to spend that much money to make the car faster. There has to be a way, and I want to know how.

I've posted all bests.

I've ran 15.041 on 20s to start. Intake and exhaust. Summer temps.

14.541 Same Intake and exhaust no 20s and cooler temps.
http://media.putfile.com/Jasons-02-LSE-runs-1454-94-MPH

14.423 Same Intake and exhaust but with Tune in kinda cool temps.

1) It is a discontinued model which means that from this point on there will only be less LS's on the road at any given time in the future. Shrinking market.



I dont feel this is a good example. In late 1996 I had one of only 3 turbocharged Nissan 240x's in the nation. This car was a dying breed and went out of production in 1998.

Today everyone and their grandmother has a turbo SR20DET 240sx.

With people like ILLS and Quik we can make this a project come true for the people who really want the performance.

I think there will be a lot of Jag S-Type R/Lincoln LS's running around. :D

The problem is that the market will not support a Lincoln LS supercharger or turbo kit. I have discussed this on another lincoln forum so I will just copy and paste into here what I said there.



"I have done quite a bit of market analysis on the Lincoln LS. Unfortunately there is more than one thing going against it.


1) It is a discontinued model which means that from this point on there will only be less LS's on the road at any given time in the future. Shrinking market.
2) It was never widely popular with the performance crowd which would be the only way to overcome #1 above.
3) Most LS owners either fall into the demographic of: Middle aged person looking for luxury car with maybe a little oomph from small bolt-ons (AKA doesn't want to spend a few grand on turbos) or the younger kid who primarily want more show than go. There are exceptions to this but they are FEW.
4) The LS platform is not VERY modfriendly, though with a little thought there can be ALLOT available. Much moreso than what most anyone else will claim for these cars.


I love the LS and would like nothing more than to see fellow owners have something available but business is business and it is just not a smart investment to make a kit available for the masses at this time. In the performance business there are two types of customers, buyers and tirekickers. The usual percantage we in this business run into is 75% tirekicker and 25% buyer. Of that 25% buyer we run into maybe only 1/4 of them would even consider doing a more serious mod like a turbo, supercharger, nitrous or full engine build for their vehicle. The numbers just aren't in the LS's favor."


I will not keep anyone informed of the turbo project for proof, but I will keep people informed due to the fact that others might be interested in a project like this. I suggest you be careful with your words as they borderline on being disrespectful. We don't need that kind of stuff in here.

I have the fastest N/A and overall fastest LS in the country which happens to be a Gen2. It is not two cars it is one and the same. One vehicle. I ran the fastest ET for a N/A LS at 14.2 in the 1/4 mile. I also ran a fastest of 13.3 @ 106.5 MPH in the 1/4 last year on nitrous and with zero traction. Had traction existed I would have easily ran a 12 second pass, as indicated by my 106 MPH trap speed. Yay open differential and stock tires. The nest time the LS see's the strip the traction issue should be resolved.





I am not following you here with this comment. :confused: What exactly did you mean?


This is what I edited in my post, You keep referring the LS N/A. I just want to know what your fastest times were and what you did to achieve them.

I dont feel this is a good example. In late 1996 I had one of only 3 turbocharged Nissan 240x's in the nation. This car was a dying breed and went out of production in 1998.

Today everyone and their grandmother has a turbo SR20DET 240sx.

With people like ILLS and Quik we can make this a project come true for the people who really want the performance.

I think there will be a lot of Jag S-Type R/Lincoln LS's running around. :D


I agree. The reason the LS was so short lived, is because no one developed the means to make the LS faster. (OH yeah, At a reasonable price.)

I dont feel this is a good example. In late 1996 I had one of only 3 turbocharged Nissan 240x's in the nation. This car was a dying breed and went out of production in 1998.

Today everyone and their grandmother has a turbo SR20DET 240sx.

With people like ILLS and Quik we can make this a project come true for the people who really want the performance.

I think there will be a lot of Jag S-Type R/Lincoln LS's running around. :D



Well I had a nice detailed post typed up but the keyboard owned me. ;)

My example given is very sound. There are few if any people who have given more thought to the idea of persuing an aftermarket performance endeavor with the LS than I.

There may be a few exceptions with examples of other cars that overcame those odds, but those exceptions do not make the rule.

Performance shops are able to make that buzz come alive but there needs to be a solid backing from more than just a few of us.

After I finish the turbo project for my LS then I will think about doing a few systems for other LS owners on a case by case basis. The only way a kit will ever be produced for the LS is if I presented my design to my STS turbo counterparts and they decided to foot the bill and start making kits with me. However, I feel that once STS did their own market analysis they would come to the same conclusion that there is no real market that would generate a large enough of a profit margin to justify production of an LS turbo kit.

This is what I edited in my post, You keep referring the LS N/A. I just want to know what your fastest times were and what you did to achieve them.

N/A stands for naturally aspirated, as in no nitrous or boost. Just on the motor and its basic mods themselves.

I posted my fastest times above in post #85.

I dont feel this is a good example. In late 1996 I had one of only 3 turbocharged Nissan 240x's in the nation. This car was a dying breed and went out of production in 1998.

Today everyone and their grandmother has a turbo SR20DET 240sx.

With people like ILLS and Quik we can make this a project come true for the people who really want the performance.

I think there will be a lot of Jag S-Type R/Lincoln LS's running around. :D
Well, the only part you missed was that the number of Nissan 240X's that were produced versus the LS. Also, the 240 was built with a totally different demographic of buyers. From the requests we get on a daily basis we might get one customer asking about a turbo or supercharger in a given month. Then try to convince them to spend anywhere from $2000-$6000 on a system with really no guarantees it will run or be a daily driver. A very tough sell!

Making a one off or two turbos and/or superchargers will be fine but selling them on the open market will be tough not to mention the liability involved when something goes wrong. Demand for aftermarket parts for the LS is not as strong as other cars so convincing someone to sink a lot of money into development or production is tough. Now, if you said Mustang then you'd have someone's ear.

The only way to get something like a turbo or supercharger for the LS as a main stream COTS (commercial off the shelf) item is for the customers to front the money for development and production. If you could get numerous people together to throw in the required amount of capital then it might work. So, my question is how many people will spend more than $2,000 for a system that hasn't been proved yet? Not very many. I'm not saying it won't work but to a company thinking it might work is a huge gamble. Also, what is not to be said that once a turbo or supercharger makes it on the system how many LS owners will buy one and install it? I'd venture guess not many.

I'm not trying to be a naysayer by any means. However, I have been down this road numerous times and it is the same old song and dance. As one of my LS friends would say, "Watching Saturday morning car shows makes it look easy, but the first time someone blows up their motor and posts a thread about it....watch out!"

ILLS, I wish you luck and hope you succeed with it.

Well, the only part you missed was that the number of Nissan 240X's that were produced versus the LS. Also, the 240 was built with a totally different demographic of buyers. From the requests we get on a daily basis we might get one customer asking about a turbo or supercharger in a given month. Then try to convince them to spend anywhere from $2000-$6000 on a system with really no guarantees it will run or be a daily driver. A very tough sell!

Making a one off or two turbos and/or superchargers will be fine but selling them on the open market will be tough not to mention the liability involved when something goes wrong. Demand for aftermarket parts for the LS is not as strong as other cars so convincing someone to sink a lot of money into development or production is tough. Now, if you said Mustang then you'd have someone's ear.

The only way to get something like a turbo or supercharger for the LS as a main stream COTS (commercial off the shelf) item is for the customers to front the money for development and production. If you could get numerous people together to throw in the required amount of capital then it might work. So, my question is how many people will spend more than $2,000 for a system that hasn't been proved yet? Not very many. I'm not saying it won't work but to a company thinking it might work is a huge gamble. Also, what is not to be said that once a turbo or supercharger makes it on the system how many LS owners will buy one and install it? I'd venture guess not many.

I'm not trying to be a naysayer by any means. However, I have been down this road numerous times and it is the same old song and dance. As one of my LS friends would say, "Watching Saturday morning car shows makes it look easy, but the first time someone blows up their motor and posts a thread about it....watch out!"