Back in January/Feb I traded my LS for an 07 Sport Trac V8 (got lucky and got 8k for trade in), ended being my wife's car which btw, is a pretty fast truck, shares the 3v with the new stang. I then fell in love with an 04 Screaming yellow GT with only 18k miles. Picked it up, went straight to the stang shop and dropped 3 grands on it. 2 days later, 4.10's, bbk LT, O/R H pipe and magnaflows, steeda UD pulleys, K&N CAI, autolite 103, Diablo dyno tune to come down with 275 RWHP and 307 RWTQ. Trapped the 1/4 at 13.6, then went with nitto 555r's to do a best of 12.9 N/A. One tech guy at the track said that there must have been something done to the car internally because it was putting down good numbers at the track, and he offered to check it out. We take it to his shop and 7 hours later we find a set of Patriot heads on my block!!! that brought us to the conclusion that it should be putting down better numbers on the dyno than before, and he was right. The tune I got before was jus a pre-set that the other shop uses based on the mods they do, not really "custom tuning" so he re-tunes the beast to bring out 312 RWHP and 339 RWTQ! Can you believe that crap? why do some shops do that? Anyhow, as I'm driving the other night to the track to test my new tune, I see a blue LS coming from behind and for some reason I got chills! It was my old LS!!! The feeling was just overwhelming and I waved at the guy hello, however he thought I was calling a race and he was just a dick so he revs and I knew that was my old sound (magnaflows on the LS) and the light turns green and I take off with him, you know, just hanging with him until I think it's enough, but we get to another light and stop. He yells at me "you ain't got nothing on me", I replied, Dude, that was my car, I know I got it all on you. His face was just twisted and confused, light turns green and I took off like a dog, OMG, he tried but I had pulled about 7 cars on him. Just a good feeling and good memories at the same time. Anyway, my numbers that night only dropped to a best of 12.7, not much better than the last, but the tune def worked better that time and since then I installed a set of VT stage 2 cams, the Mustang is just a whole different game from the LS. Soon will swap to 3.73 and bolt on the pro charger at 10 psi, will be a little fast yellow thing...Just wanted to share this long ass story with you. And it's really sad to see some kids ruining what's left of the LS. LS with 22" and some weird looking color combos with chrome and sh1t that looks like a Philippine bus, please keep the LS looking clean.

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im sad i read that. could have been doing something somewhat productive...

i enjoyed the story, crazy that you saw your own LS. its funny that the guy thought he would "tale you" in the stang. Obviosuly he isnt very smart. I ove teh sound of the new mustangs too, always said that woudl be the car i buy if something should happen to the LS.

same posts I put on the civic boards - never owned one but love to remind them they are slow

Your qtr mile time is great for your power. You must be getting it to the ground well! My 89 Iroc-z Camaro I sold this year had 440hp and 450ft/lbs at the rear wheels. I could only pull 12.2s with street tires. Granted with slicks it would have been deep in the 11s, but still. 12.7s are awsome.
In fact, my stock 05 GTO put 360/370 at the rears and could only do 12.99

I got Tokico upgrades for struts on both ends, full sub-frame connectors and with the drags heated real well, it hooks really good. I miss the comfort of the LS, but power makes up all of it. When I owned the LS I thought I had a fast car being V8 and all, then I start reading about quick with his project and another guy spraying, got excited for a minute. Then realized that the LS is not a fast car, stock numbers make it look a lot slower than they feel and it would be too much money/hassle to even drop a tenth at the track, so why bother... I admire the project with the supercharger but look at how long it's taken and is not even done yet. It will take me 8 hours or so to drop in a procharger and I'll be blowing 450+ to the pavement. I'm sure that Lou is setting a standard and opening new doors to the LS performance, but I just went the old way, the Mustang way. Not looking for trouble, I'm just being realistic and I hope you'll understand my point. I'm not crazy to say that the chevy guys suck just because I own a Ford, like many claim victory over TA and LS1 camaros, my respect to the LSx platforms, they rock, but in reality, the LS is a mid-size, semi-luxury sedan. I've never seen a real luxury sedan go out of production, having said that, hats off to the LS for many years of joy (and headaches) it gave me. Shame on Lincoln for putting it to sleep.

same posts I put on the civic boards - never owned one but love to remind them they are slow

Who is slow?:confused:

im sad i read that. could have been doing something somewhat productive...

you mean sad to hear how slow my old LS was? or sad to know you can't take a Stang?:p

If your happy with your Mustang - good for you - the LS was never going to be that - nor is a mustang evar going to compete with an LS on what the LS is good at - right?

These are not likely the last upgrades you are doing to your Mustang - right? - so people that mod, are never really done.... remember that...

you mean sad to hear how slow my old LS was? or sad to know you can't take a Stang?:p

Retard.

I'm totally with you and I'm not arguing. Your best at one point was 13.9 at 109mph or so and you had over 10k in add-ons... I've spent 3k so far (not counting the heads in it) and I'm 1 full second faster, what would it be with 10 psi of boost? again, congrats to you on your project and I know you'll succeed all the way, I'm just happy with my car, happy I made the change because with 10K of add-ons I can build a forged engine to put down 1000 hp with a TT set up. All I'm saying is the fact that everyone here has made at one point, the LS is not a drag or fast car, you're making it fast, but it's not purpose built. How much HP can the LS handle before it spits out it's organs? Now I realize how foolish I was on the LS trying to race and prove a point. The same EVO that beat my ass on the LS now gets his ass handed to him all the time by the Stang, same thing with my cousin's stage 2 SRT-4. I had exhaust, CAI and X-cal on the LS, it's just not the same. But I guess that's not an argument here...

I drive a Saleen S281 with over 450HP at the wheels. Yes it can beat my LS, big deal. Am I supposed to be proud of that???

BTW, I never drove the stang completely stock, SO FORGIVE ME if I'm generalizing all GT's as being fast. I drove mine from the dealer to the shop. How slow are they in stock form? Couldn't tell you, even out of the dealer I had PI heads and I didn't know about it, maybe that's why I fell in love with it during test drive... I just know that I hang out with 03-04 terminators up to certain speeds, my 4.10's kill the top end.
Enjoy your LS, don't kill it.

I drive a Saleen S281 with over 450HP at the wheels. Yes it can beat my LS, big deal. Am I supposed to be proud of that???

Yes. Than why you have it if you won't be proud of it? for groceries shopping?

I drive a Saleen S281 with over 450HP at the wheels. Yes it can beat my LS, big deal. Am I supposed to be proud of that???

what year?
the new S281 come with 325 at the crank and the SC with only 400...

I'm not calling out who beats what. This was about how happy I felt of seeing my old LS, it turned into a slap in his face but that was it.

I dont come on a LS board and tell people I can kill their LS's with my Mustang, DUH!!! thats a given.

what year?
the new S281 come with 325 at the crank and the SC with only 400...

I'm not calling out who beats what. This was about how happy I felt of seeing my old LS, it turned into a slap in his face but that was it.

ok got ya. my S281 is a 2002 with a few mods. It is supercharged.

All 99-04 Mustang had PI heads. Patriots are different.


I've raced several 99-04 Mustangs at the track and the only one feeling weak at the end of the track was the Mustangs. People expect the Mustang to kill the 4 door Lincoln. Doesn't always happen.

Me against a 04GT 5-speed. Really killed me hey?

I'm sorry, but as a previous LS owner, I can come here and post my comments. Many times I opened up my LS engine to figure out what I could do with. I had problems with the car like everybody else in here, from misfires to windows dropping down and the bath of oil in the coils, I was here and there. Again, didn't come in here to start a fight. Sorry for that, I didn't come here to post kill stories or anything like that, it's more of the ignorant and foolish attitude that the kid driving my ex-LS had on it. Just like many of you who think you drive the Sh!t around and you can take on anybody and have the best of the best. I didn't want to go this way, but that's what is all about. The attitude of some LS owners, mainly youngsters that bring up the "kill stories" thinking they're invincible.

Me against a 04GT 5-speed. Really killed me hey?

now let's face it, must have been auto and the worst driver ever. There's no way a GT is going to come in that slow.

I own several cars - most modded past street legal and all faster than my LS.

What's your point?

If you posted - I bought a Mustang and here what I did to it - We would all say congratualtions.

But instead you added the the editorial about the LS - so now people are telling you - "really - did you just wake up?"

It's like some kid on the BMW forums saying - "I just bought a mustang and after a couple of days and a few $K I am sooo much faster than your BMWs... it is so sad to see people wasying their time trying to make BMWs fast..."

Goof.

I own several cars - most modded past street legal and all faster than my LS.

What's your point?

If you posted - I bought a Mustang and here what I did to it - We would all say congratualtions.

But instead you added the the editorial about the LS - so now people are telling you - "really - did you just wake up?"

It's like some kid on the BMW forums saying - "I just bought a mustang and after a couple of days and a few $K I am sooo much faster than your BMWs... it is so sad to see people wasying their time trying to make BMWs fast..."

Goof.

You are right, and I'm sorry I came across like that. Maybe I did over write the whole thing. Sorry about that guys.

Don't call me a lier.

Pretty easy to tell a manual from a auto, unknown mods. His best was 14.1 for the day.

Also have some slips against a 99 with exhaust and CAI. Also a manual. Beat him several times with RT and us both running 14.5s. He did manage a 14.3 later not against me.

Your point was your Mustang is some sort of super car. With the mods it has it should run strong.

I have under $1200 in mods in my LS and run close to 99-04 GTs like it or not.

At the track plenty of people comment on how surprized the were to see me next to them at the end of the track. Several 99-04 Mustang drivers.

If you don't like the feedback your getting...go back and read some of your first posts.

My point, quik, I didn't find it reasonable to spend all that money on the LS to get half way of where I can be with the stang. That's just my case, not yours or anyone else in here. It's the same as if I try to convert to a 3 or 4 valve on the GT, nonsense, not cost effective. Might as well get a Cobra and be done with it, well that's what I did, got the Mustang and left the LS. Even my wife's Sport Trac V8 is faster than the LS. That's all.

Don't call me a lier.

Pretty easy to tell a manual from a auto, unknown mods. His best was 14.1 for the day.

Also have some slips against a 99 with exhaust and CAI. Also a manual. Beat him several times with RT and us both running 14.5s. He did manage a 14.3 later not against me.

Your point was your Mustang is some sort of super car. With the mods it has it should run strong.

I have under $1200 in mods in my LS and run close to 99-04 GTs like it or not.

At the track plenty of people comment on how surprized the were to see me next to them at the end of the track. Several 99-04 Mustang drivers.

If you don't like the feedback your getting...go back and read some of your first posts.

Oh, I'm loving the feedback. I surprised a lot of people too with the LS, it was just priceless to see the kid's face on my old LS, I never went through that.

Well - then you just do not get the point...

I want to drive an american BMW, then when needed - go fast. Now 'go fast' is relative - faster than other cars in my class, Luxury, style, ...etc

Like I said before - I have cars with no AC, no interior, no stereo - that seem fast now - but still could be faster.... They are not the cars I want to be seen in driving around town, they are the ones I take out on race nights.

There is a difference.

Understood. Again, hats off to you. My knowledge is just now broadening with the whole power-adder subject, that's why I'm just realizing how precise of a job you're doing and how much effort is going into it. I just didn't see me going at it with the LS and I'm the first to admit, I have the power, but not the looks, and still have a long way to go. My goal is a sub 10 second street car, and that's really soon to happen. As soon as I get the axle in and new frame support, we're doing forged internals and will run the D1 at 13 psi with blower cams, if that doesn't do it, I'm going turbo. Like you said, there's no cure after the speed bug bites you!

It's all good. There is much you can do - spend a little every weekend, most are bolt-ons.

You'll finally end up with a nasty rattle-box - but it will go!!!

Good deal. Happy to see I didn't leave a bad taste after all.

So in all essence, your LS will be the perfect car!!! Good enough for the track and beautiful on the streets. Keep it up, I know in my heart I will read about your project in big letters one day. Like I said, you're setting the pace for modding the LS, real performance modding.

for me - it's fun when is not easy.

but - I still hate getting lapped by someone in a TT Viper.....

I think fastnsmooth didn't mean to pick any fights, but I can see how some ppl might think so your with his wording.

Not to hijack the thread, but I have a story of my own to tell.
I
pulled up to a light and a guy on a bike pedaled up next to me, waiting to cross the street. Sure enough, it was my old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turles bike!!! I got the giggles and rolled down my window. The guy thought I wanted to race, and he rolled back and forth a couple times, and I recognized the sound (my Hideki Irabu rookie card in the spokes)...

:D :D :rolleyes: hahaha sorry bored at work

Have fun climbing over that roll cage in your 10 second street car. ;)

LOL @ Hideki Irabu!! Blast from the past!!

Story of my life... There's a Z06 around here that's cammed and ported and that thing eats cobras for breakfast. I saw an 03+ LS8 at the track the other night trapped at 13.2 at 111 with a 125 zex shot. I'm sure he can do better with some tires cause he spinned a lot.

Just read this and I did not really pick up on him saying what you guys said he was, in his first post anyway. Its typical, you get a new car even if its better in some cases you tend to go back to the place where your used to roam w/ the other car and try to justify your decision on trading or whatever. Its natural. Yes the LS is not anything special, but to its owners it is, and yes once you get out of it and into something else you look back at the car and are like "pffft, that car was not great at all really" or something in that way of thinking. I have done it w/ all my cars, it helps to forget some or make you realize it was a good decision.

I do agree about the LS owners being stuck up or acting like it. I have not meet anyone who owns one outside of this site that was nice to me when I engaged or tried to anyway in a nice convo about the car. There is a few on here who jump on you for nothing, alittle rediculous but hey, its the net, everyone is big time right.

Congrats on the stang. I heard the GT's around that year were not really anything great from the factory, they were quick yes, but not lightning fast until like you stated, some mods take place.

Have fun climbing over that roll cage in your 10 second street car. ;)

LOL @ Hideki Irabu!! Blast from the past!!

Haha thanks. That example is a bit far fetched though, I burned his card in effigy about 10 years ago, he sucked!

But I digress, fastnsmooth, how do the cops react to your modded yellow mustang? :shifty: :D

Yes the LS is not anything special, but to its owners it is, and yes once you get out of it and into something else you look back at the car and are like "pffft, that car was not great at all really" or something in that way of thinking. I have done it w/ all my cars, it helps to forget some or make you realize it was a good decision.

Perhaps you feel that way because you've had TOO MANY! cars?

Common definitions of "special"
1. of a distinct or particular kind or character: a special kind of key.
2. being a particular one; particular, individual, or certain: You'd better call the special number.
3. pertaining or peculiar to a particular person, thing, instance, etc.; distinctive; unique: the special features of a plan.
4. having a specific or particular function, purpose, etc.: a special messenger.
5. distinguished or different from what is ordinary or usual: a special occasion; to fix something special.
6. extraordinary; exceptional, as in amount or degree; especial: special importance.
7. being such in an exceptional degree; particularly valued: a special friend.

I completely disagree with you, but you have your own opinion it's cool.

Yes the LS is not anything special, but to its owners it is, and yes once you get out of it and into something else you look back at the car and are like "pffft, that car was not great at all really" or something in that way of thinking. I have done it w/ all my cars, it helps to forget some or make you realize it was a good decision.

Great perspective. I think alot of the LS owners on here are young and have the LS as their first car and just think they're the sh!t. Case in point the guy who bought this guys old LS. I am now a 2 time owner of an LS and i will agree that its nothing special. Honestly, there isnt too much on a LS that isnt on every car nowadays. I guess it all comes down to everyones own expectations or whatever. I've owned many cars, some fast some just nice to drive and comfortable. By the time my payments are done on my LS i'm sure my next car will exceed the LS. Its kinda sad to see how people worship the car they drive and take things so damn serious. To make them feel good about themselves they need to beat this car or have more horsepower than that car. I've never joined any other car forum and i honestly dont even remember how i found LVC, but i find the types of people attracted to online forums are just waaaaay too into their cars. Which is fine, its nice to have a hobby or whatever, but peoples mindsets get warped.

I like the LS, I thought my '02 was gorgeous but besides the exterior styling it was ho hum and boring. If I could get another I would but only cause I have a couple cars to help keep things interesting. I am not dissing on the car itself really, sounds like it though I know that. I think the actions of owners make you hate the car, like in the case of those honda's. My hatred toward those was based on the wrong reason, and that was the stupid driver. Now I just look at the car for what it is and has to offer and try not to let an owner make my mind up of any car. Granted, there are some true pos' out there lol.

Haha thanks. That example is a bit far fetched though, I burned his card in effigy about 10 years ago, he sucked!

But I digress, fastnsmooth, how do the cops react to your modded yellow mustang? :shifty: :D

The cops around here are a mystery. I have a cop two houses down from mine and the day I came home with the car, he came outside, walked over, looked under the car, with me watching him, and said "nice, you do know that it is illegal thou"... I asked him what? he said the Long tubes and no cats... but that was it, end of it. He finished it with "my brother has a mach 1" and from there on we have become some sort of good neighbors. The other night I was being chased by an SRT8 charger and when we went from a light, a cop watched us take off, I pulled hard on the SRT8 but the cop pulled him over, not me. It's very known that many cops hate GM and Dodge cars, why? I don't know. But that's what I've learned since owning the stang.
Close to where I live the cops sponsor this racing event called C.A.R.S (cops against racing on streets) where they sponsor one night of test n' tune and I wanted to race this beast but they wouldn't let me race again unless I get 6 point cage due to my times. The toughest part is keeping the eyes in front and not letting every car next to you disturb you. It's amazing how many guys want to race me now, just because is a Mustang, even if they drive a metro with a fart can... check this pic of the police car...
http://www.tampagov.net/dept_police/cars/display_curr.asp?image=summerfest003_800x531.jpg&alt_tag=HCSO muscle car on display at SummerFest&desc=The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office was well represented at SummerFest 2005.

I think the actions of owners make you hate the car, like in the case of those honda's. My hatred toward those was based on the wrong reason, and that was the stupid driver.
Hmm...reading that i get the name R-Bones popping into my head.

It's amazing how many guys want to race me now, just because is a Mustang, even if they drive a metro with a fart can...
I dont understand that either. Back when i had my T/A i had minivans trying me. Just yesterday i was in the front at a redlight, next to me was a WS6 LS1 T/A which i would never test in a LS. Now i didnt care to race or test him but i did need to get over to make a turn up ahead. When the light turned green i stepped on it alittle hard nothing crazy though. The T/A just drove normal which i respect a whole lot more than if he would have floored it to try to beat me. When you think about it, unless your on a highway there arent too many roads where you can pull off going over 60 mph safely. Considering most cars will hit 60 in under 10 seconds what purpose is it to race from a light? What is that proving in those few seconds? So many other things can go wrong in that time. You got lucky against the SRT8 but i definately forsee multiple tickets in your future.

I get people all the time when I am in my SS/SC trying to run, from you typical fart cannon only mod civic and such to mustangs and camaros, even some dually trucks. Its crazy, I do not race on the street though, its kinda boring now and knowing stats of the opponents makes it easier. A stock GT stang rolls up and wants to go I know he's got me off the line alittle but I than just blow past after hitting mid 2nd(which happens fast) and than its usually them slowing up just as I put a length on them or a civic or hyundai, which is over much faster lol. Just wastes gas so I do not do it, save it for the track. Atleast you can get well over 80 there safely and not worry about something from a piece of junk in the road to a person coming out of nowhere.

I will admit I've been lucky a couple of times, but I don't really race on the streets. No point in it plus anyone is game on the streets. I can be outdriven by an LS in the streets thanks to it's handling ability when weaving through traffic or a curvy road, so why waste the fuel? My tune has me using 93 and sometimes I have to use additives or buy 2-3 gallons of race fuel due to the low quality fuel from hess and citgo...

Yea, gotta use premium in all my cars besides the pos sable lol

That's a good story, funny that you raced your old car :D

you shouldve PIT'd him.

"you aint got nuthin on me?" what a toolbag.

he doesnt deserve your sloppy seconds

you shouldve PIT'd him.

"you aint got nuthin on me?" what a toolbag.

he doesnt deserve your sloppy seconds

I know, but after all, that was my car at one point and I felt upset that the kid was abusing it that way. He was holding the brake while accelerating trying to get a good launch, all I heard was the LS engine choking it's cylinders and starting to break traction. I'm telling you, I traded that car with 92k miles on it and a howling noise in the differential, if he keeps that up he won't have car for too long...