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Lucas05 3 November 24th, 2004, 08:42 PM Alright, I own a 2000 Lincoln LS with a V8 and it has been giving me problems ever since I purchases it. The problem as of now is the transmission I believe. When I put it into Reverse, it has a long delay before jumping back, and I mean jumping. Then when coming up a hill it switched to a lower gear to get more punch and when it punched, it stalled. The engine basically shut off for a couple seconds. It is also leaking a red fluid under the left portion of the front. I believe it is either transmission fluid or power steering. It is going into the shop for it's 100th time and will probably be there for another week. I would love to hear from you guys on your opinions.
GrayGhost1 November 24th, 2004, 09:19 PM I hate to hear you're having so many problems. The 2000 LS was a first year car so it had its problems. The transmission issue sounds like a delayed shifting problem that was corrected under TSB #01-14-5. It can be fixed if the dealer "re-flashes" the PCM. Here's a quick summary of that TSB:
Article No. 01-14-5
07/23/01
TRANSMISSION - 5R55N - DELAYED REVERSE OR
DRIVE ENGAGEMENTS - HARSH UPSHIFTS OR
DOWNSHIFTS - ERRATIC UPSHIFTS - DELAYED
DOWNSHIFTS NEAR 20 MPH - VEHICLES BUILT
BEFORE 10/17/2000
LINCOLN:
2000-2001 LS
This article is being republished in its entirety to include additional calibrations and to update the build date range.
ISSUE
Some vehicles built prior to 10/17/2000 with the 5R55N transmission may exhibit delayed Reverse or Drive engagements, harsh upshifts or downshifts, erratic upshifts, or delayed downshifts near 32 km/h (20 mph). This may be caused by the calibration of the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
ACTION
Follow normal diagnostic procedures and verify the condition. If the condition is valid, reprogram the PCM to latest calibration level. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.
As for the red fluid that sounds like brake fluid to me. Have you check the brake fluid level? Start there and then work your way back. Normally about 90% of your problems are corrected with the PCM re-flash so let them do that first. Remember, ONLY the dealer can do that.
Let us know how you make out.
Lucas05 3 November 24th, 2004, 09:35 PM I hate to hear you're having so many problems. The 2000 LS was a first year car so it had its problems. The transmission issue sounds like a delayed shifting problem that was corrected under TSB #01-14-5. It can be fixed if the dealer "re-flashes" the PCM. Here's a quick summary of that TSB:
Article No. 01-14-5
07/23/01
TRANSMISSION - 5R55N - DELAYED REVERSE OR
DRIVE ENGAGEMENTS - HARSH UPSHIFTS OR
DOWNSHIFTS - ERRATIC UPSHIFTS - DELAYED
DOWNSHIFTS NEAR 20 MPH - VEHICLES BUILT
BEFORE 10/17/2000
LINCOLN:
2000-2001 LS
This article is being republished in its entirety to include additional calibrations and to update the build date range.
ISSUE
Some vehicles built prior to 10/17/2000 with the 5R55N transmission may exhibit delayed Reverse or Drive engagements, harsh upshifts or downshifts, erratic upshifts, or delayed downshifts near 32 km/h (20 mph). This may be caused by the calibration of the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
ACTION
Follow normal diagnostic procedures and verify the condition. If the condition is valid, reprogram the PCM to latest calibration level. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.
As for the red fluid that sounds like brake fluid to me. Have you check the brake fluid level? Start there and then work your way back. Normally about 90% of your problems are corrected with the PCM re-flash so let them do that first. Remember, ONLY the dealer can do that.
Let us know how you make out.
Thanks a lot for the quick reply. I really appriciate it. I forgot to mention that on the display it says I need an oil change, but it has been like this for a while even when I have 50% oil life, it may explain the stall though, becuase that happened recently. Could that be due to a bad battery also?
It had to go in a dozen times for an air bag problem. They had to replace a wire for it and it still didn't work. After they did that and many other things, they called in some big shot from Lincoln and he did a detailed check on it and they endned up replacing somthing else. Once we got in it to take it the back, the engine started to smoke, so we gave then the keys and left. They then replaced the valve covers. During all of this the computer had been flased a dozen or so times. Does that clear anything else up. Anyone else have any ideas.
GrayGhost1 November 24th, 2004, 09:51 PM Dealers vary with experienced techs. You may have a dealer that doesn't have very experienced techs. The reason is they had to call a Ford techinician down to look at the problem. I'd suggest maybe you try a different dealer. Your repair information should be on the Oasis log so it would be easy for any Ford dealership to pull up your repair history for the past 6 months.
With that being said, I've had my PCM re-flashed three times to correct other symptoms like hard starting. It corrects most computer related items but it really takes a person familiar with the LS. If your PCM has been re-flashed then to me it sounds more like a mechanical problem.
I hate to hear about your repair problems. The LS is a great car and hopefully you can get your car repaired. Did you get an extended warranty with your car?
Lucas05 3 November 24th, 2004, 09:58 PM Dealers vary with experienced techs. You may have a dealer that doesn't have very experienced techs. The reason is they had to call a Ford techinician down to look at the problem. I'd suggest maybe you try a different dealer. Your repair information should be on the Oasis log so it would be easy for any Ford dealership to pull up your repair history for the past 6 months.
With that being said, I've had my PCM re-flashed three times to correct other symptoms like hard starting. It corrects most computer related items but it really takes a person familiar with the LS. If your PCM has been re-flashed then to me it sounds more like a mechanical problem.
I hate to hear about your repair problems. The LS is a great car and hopefully you can get your car repaired. Did you get an extended warranty with your car?
Sadly to say, no. We purchased the car used. :(
LS4me November 24th, 2004, 10:38 PM Alright, I own a 2000 Lincoln LS with a V8 and it has been giving me problems ever since I purchases it. The problem as of now is the transmission I believe. When I put it into Reverse, it has a long delay before jumping back, and I mean jumping. Then when coming up a hill it switched to a lower gear to get more punch and when it punched, it stalled. The engine basically shut off for a couple seconds. It is also leaking a red fluid under the left portion of the front. I believe it is either transmission fluid or power steering. It is going into the shop for it's 100th time and will probably be there for another week. I would love to hear from you guys on your opinions.
Sounds like low transmission fluid to me. The trans, p/s and cooling fan use the same fluid.
MAT88GT November 26th, 2004, 06:53 AM yep...I totally agree that it sounds like low atf to me
troubleshooing electical problems on these cars isn't easy...don't be upset if the dealer takes a while to get this done. There are only so many hours in a day for a tech to trace the 1000+ wires down in your car
Lucas05 3 November 26th, 2004, 12:03 PM yep...I totally agree that it sounds like low atf to me
troubleshooing electical problems on these cars isn't easy...don't be upset if the dealer takes a while to get this done. There are only so many hours in a day for a tech to trace the 1000+ wires down in your car
It's not the fact it takes a long time, it's that it goes in for the same problem and a week later it comes out "fixed", then the same day the problem reocurrs. Well, it's in the shop right now as we speak. Hopefully I will have it later today if it just needs reflashed, but I won't get it back for another week and it probably won't even work.
MAT88GT November 27th, 2004, 01:10 AM try a different dealer
Lucas05 3 December 8th, 2004, 09:06 PM Alright, we got it back today and they practically did nothing with it. They found nothing wrong with the transmission, but the leak was due to the fact they messed up when they replaced the power steering pump a couple months ago. They put some tubing backwards and also flipped some switch. They ran dynos on it and found nothing. They know it wasn't the battery becuase they checked out fine, so that cancels out my theory. They are bringing in they transmission specialist for our next appointment, if there is one. We are going to trade it in. :(
I ran it pretty hard today and there was no stall. I had it to the floor for a good while, somthing I haven't done in a while becuase it would stall. It felt pretty good to be back. ;) I didn't try it at high speeds becuase that is when it always happened. Going 55 on a highway and giving it a lot of gas to pass someone or to get up a steep hill was win it stalled. I don't think it will stall though. Reverse is still messed up real bad. There is still a 3-4 second delay with a sharp jump.
Does anyone else have any ideas?
crazylegs420 December 8th, 2004, 09:55 PM Alright, we got it back today and they practically did nothing with it. They found nothing wrong with the transmission, but the leak was due to the fact they messed up when they replaced the power steering pump a couple months ago. They put some tubing backwards and also flipped some switch. They ran dynos on it and found nothing. They know it wasn't the battery becuase they checked out fine, so that cancels out my theory. They are bringing in they transmission specialist for our next appointment, if there is one. We are going to trade it in. :(
I ran it pretty hard today and there was no stall. I had it to the floor for a good while, somthing I haven't done in a while becuase it would stall. It felt pretty good to be back. ;) I didn't try it at high speeds becuase that is when it always happened. Going 55 on a highway and giving it a lot of gas to pass someone or to get up a steep hill was win it stalled. I don't think it will stall though. Reverse is still messed up real bad. There is still a 3-4 second delay with a sharp jump.
Does anyone else have any ideas?
crazylegs420 December 8th, 2004, 09:59 PM My 2000 Lincoln LS is in the shop right now with a bad tranny. It was caused from a bad bearing. It did the exact same thing youre experiencing, it jumps when i put it in gear and it also would hesitate to shift at about 45 miles an hour. i would have it checked quick for this, mine gave out on the road and i had no gears, coasting across 4 lanes of traffic, not fun. My car also makes that horrible beeping sound for about 5 mins after you start it, and the airabg light doesnt come on. Every 20-30 mins the car does the beeping for another 5 mins. What is this?
Lucas05 3 December 8th, 2004, 10:24 PM Well, we are in the same boat then. I might have to notify them of that when I go in again about the bad bearing. I think mine hesitates also. I was wondering if that was just my imagination or becuause I have been driving a compleltly diffrent car more than it becuase its always in the shop, but I didn't notice a delay like that. When mine stalled before I was on a country road and when I pulled off, my breaks then when out. I couldnt stop, so I had to pull the E-break and lucky it coasted to a stop and didn't have to throw it into Park.
As far as the beeping, what does your message board say?
crazylegs420 December 9th, 2004, 05:36 PM My message board says nothing. It just beeps like no seatbelt. Do you think that it is just the fact that i dont wear my seatbelt? Does your car, or anyone else's LS, do that damn beeping? Also, do you change your Cabin-Air Filter much?
crazylegs420 December 9th, 2004, 05:37 PM One other question... when i put 20's on my car, is there any rubbing? What series tire should i use to prevent rubbing and allow me to turn completely?
Lucas05 3 December 9th, 2004, 05:58 PM It wouldn't be your sealtbelt because Lincoln didn't have that option in 2000 models, if any of them. I know other Ford automobiles do but not yours. I haven't had any beeping. I change my filter when it needs to be changed.
Speaking of A/C, when I shut my heat off, I get a long, loud, rubbing/rumbling in the center console. It is quite strange. Any ideas there too?
lsbit December 9th, 2004, 08:03 PM Speaking of A/C, when I shut my heat off, I get a long, loud, rubbing/rumbling in the center console. It is quite strange. Any ideas there too?
Mine does that sometimes also. I figured it was the vaccum actuators for the air diverter(s).
BTW...my Lincoln beeps for no reason every once in a while. Sometimes going over a bump, sometimes turning a corner... nothing on the message center. It was doing it consistently over bumps when I first got it, but not so much now. I thought it might have been a door switch or something. Maybe it corrects too fast for the message center to say anything. Mine is just a single beep at a time though.
LS4me December 9th, 2004, 08:15 PM This is the infamous fantom beep. It is actually a very quick interupt between the trans computer and the pcm. Only the V8's (with the message center) have this "affliction". Think of it as the car talking to you.
aztecknight December 9th, 2004, 08:24 PM This is the infamous fantom beep. It is actually a very quick interupt between the trans computer and the pcm. Only the V8's (with the message center) have this "affliction". Think of it as the car talking to you.
I've actually caught a glimpse of my message console when that phantom beep occurs. I hav an E where it shows what gear your in and a an error message of some sort in the message window. From what I understand its not too big of a deal and is common in 2000 models. I own a black 2000 V8 sport.
lsbit December 9th, 2004, 10:00 PM Interesting. I never thought of looking at the display to the left. I will have to try that some time. :) Really makes me wonder if it is a connection problem somewhere though.
"Scotty: The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Lucas05 3 December 18th, 2004, 06:44 PM Well, my car still stalls. I can't put the pedal halfway down anymore. Will someone please help me?
SurfjaxLS December 18th, 2004, 08:04 PM I've also had my 2000 LS stall on me, and experience the hesitation around 45 mph, as well as the phantom beep. I had the ignigtion coils, valve cover gaskets, and spark plug gaskets replaced. I haven't had any of the above problems in about two weeks since the repair.
Lucas05 3 December 18th, 2004, 10:10 PM I recently have encountered the phantom beep. This is frustrating me so much.
Fordman December 20th, 2004, 08:21 AM I recently have encountered the phantom beep. This is frustrating me so much.
I too have a beep. And mine is an 01, just every once in a while. I can just be driving down the road and it will beep for no reason. I try to look at the message center as soon as it happens but I never see any error messages. So at this point I'm not worried about it.
LS4me December 21st, 2004, 10:06 AM Guys, the "mystery beep" is just that. It only affects message center cars, i.e. V8's. It is a brief communication failure between the tranny computer and the pcm. There is no "fix".
Fordman December 21st, 2004, 02:35 PM So basically your saying ignore the beep, and just drive it!!! What your saying is this is a common problem, but not to woory.... Sounds good
Lucas05 3 December 22nd, 2004, 07:09 PM My car finally has realized an error on the message board. I was accelorating and the car stalled but this time something diffrent happened. Instead of just giving me nothing, it told me E, check transmission. Date error with gear select or somthing similar. As of now, the check transmission light is on. I don't want to take it in to get serviced and have it out another week on Christmas. Now does anyone have any information?
limcolnlspimp January 2nd, 2005, 03:54 PM Alright, I own a 2000 Lincoln LS with a V8 and it has been giving me problems ever since I purchases it. The problem as of now is the transmission I believe. When I put it into Reverse, it has a long delay before jumping back, and I mean jumping. Then when coming up a hill it switched to a lower gear to get more punch and when it punched, it stalled. The engine basically shut off for a couple seconds. It is also leaking a red fluid under the left portion of the front. I believe it is either transmission fluid or power steering. It is going into the shop for it's 100th time and will probably be there for another week. I would love to hear from you guys on your opinions.
limcolnlspimp January 2nd, 2005, 03:57 PM the fluid is probably trans fluid. i have the same problem when im going up a hill. it shifts up though.???????????? im going to have my tranmission flushed tomorrow. ill be sure to post a "heads up" on what happened so you may have a better idea on what to do. i also had my pcm flashed 2 days ago. that helped alot!
kleetus January 3rd, 2005, 12:47 AM Just out of curiosity... but the manual doesn't say anything about weather the car should be running or not to check the fluid level, does it? I read it a while back, and the only reason I did is my car when going into reverse from a cold start, kinda forgets what it's doing... then it hooks up. Fortunately driveability isn't an issue, and it shifts well. It only does this when you first start it up, and back out of the garage or parking space.
I'm sure you know from playing with regular cars that the procedure is to check the fluid with teh car warmed up, in park, with the engine running, but only after you manually select each valve body detent for a second or so. It's possible Ford overlooked this little detail in printing the "dumbed down" version of the service manual that they stuff in the glove box. Can't say as I blame them though, cause you know some idiot would drive over himself... Anybody else think of this or know the answer?
Kleetus
'00 LS V8 Sport
horfls January 3rd, 2005, 12:27 PM yes u have to check the trens in park while the car is running. if you have to and any fuild,add it then run though the gears and check it again
LS4me January 4th, 2005, 09:39 PM The trans fluid level is a dealer check item. As you should have noticed, there is no dipstick.
eL eS January 5th, 2005, 08:10 AM There are two ways of filling and neither is gravity fed. They have to go throught the drain plug or through the transmission cooling lines. Do not take your car to a transmission shop or a ford dealer for the matter; only use the Lincoln delaers service shop
limcolnlspimp January 30th, 2005, 10:15 AM i have the exact same car and the trick with reverse is to wait until the rpms read a hair under 1000 rpms. as soon as it drops (after you start the car) to like 900 rpms shift to reverse . it should go smoothly and give you no problems. its always important that you let your vehicle sufficiently warm up before shifting gears. you may also experience problems shifting on any slant you may park on. also if my car has been warming up for a good 7 0r 8 minutes i have no problem shifting.
Lucas05 3 February 1st, 2005, 09:24 PM Yet it still stalls out on me. :( I guess I will have to let them look at it and keep it for 2 weeks and tell me there is no problem when I take it in to get my A/C Replaced. Theres no one here with transmission knowledge that can tell me problems it may be?
eL eS February 2nd, 2005, 07:50 AM I let my car idle down before I depart i any gear.
What happened to the A/C. Mine started blowing fuses like crazy a few months ago; I wound up replacing the compressor and clutch coil all in one shot. I dont remember if you said you car is under warranty but if it isn't you owe to yourself to buy the parts from 5 star ford.
Lucas05 3 February 3rd, 2005, 03:42 PM I let my car idle down before I depart i any gear.
What happened to the A/C. Mine started blowing fuses like crazy a few months ago; I wound up replacing the compressor and clutch coil all in one shot. I dont remember if you said you car is under warranty but if it isn't you owe to yourself to buy the parts from 5 star ford.
No, it's not under warranty. The A/C is simply just old and needs replaced.
What is this I hear about a transmission recall. It was somthing about replacing or adding in a new liquid that decompressed the bad gear shifts?
steagle February 21st, 2005, 06:44 PM hey Lucas did your dealer guy ever sort this out? any updates? i am considering getting a '00 LS V8 myself from a private owner and am making a list of "trouble spots" various users have talked about on LS forums, in person etc. sounds like your car was a lemon when you bought it - that's quite unfortunate as i haven't heard of these extreme problems so soon, even five years after purchase. automatic transmissions are a bitch to work with so best of luck and here's hoping you didn't have to have it replaced or any major work done.
Lucas05 3 February 28th, 2005, 08:18 PM Thanks for caring, but no nothing yet. Still the same problem.
anytime March 1st, 2005, 08:08 PM [ I have a Lincoln LS V8 and I am having problems with the charging system when I am driving the car will shut down and will not start back up I tool the car into the dealer and the check it and said it was the computer and they replace it but the same thing happen again and this time they said it was the battery so I replaced that and it happen again the car shut off and if I get a jump it will start back up but when I continue to drive it the lights goes off first then the radio then the car shuts off. If someone could help me with this matter. Than you
Article No. 01-14-5
07/23/01
TRANSMISSION - 5R55N - DELAYED REVERSE OR
DRIVE ENGAGEMENTS - HARSH UPSHIFTS OR
DOWNSHIFTS - ERRATIC UPSHIFTS - DELAYED
DOWNSHIFTS NEAR 20 MPH - VEHICLES BUILT
BEFORE 10/17/2000
LINCOLN:
2000-2001 LS
This article is being republished in its entirety to include additional calibrations and to update the build date range.
ISSUE
Some vehicles built prior to 10/17/2000 with the 5R55N transmission may exhibit delayed Reverse or Drive engagements, harsh upshifts or downshifts, erratic upshifts, or delayed downshifts near 32 km/h (20 mph). This may be caused by the calibration of the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
ACTION
Follow normal diagnostic procedures and verify the condition. If the condition is valid, reprogram the PCM to latest calibration level. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.
As for the red fluid that sounds like brake fluid to me. Have you check the brake fluid level? Start there and then work your way back. Normally about 90% of your problems are corrected with the PCM re-flash so let them do that first. Remember, ONLY the dealer can do that.
Let us know how you make out.[/QUOTE]
kleetus March 2nd, 2005, 01:23 AM Sounds like something in the steering column went on the fritz... don't ask me what.
MikeB March 2nd, 2005, 02:47 PM anytime
Get a cheap (under $20) voltage meter from Walmart and watch the voltage as the car dies. If its a short or loose connection the voltage will just die, but if the voltage drops from 14 to 9volts get the alternator checked.
If the engine is running and the voltage is below 13.5v (without every accessory and a large sound system on) the alternator isn't working correctly.
The battery won't cause the car to die off repetedly, it's a secondary problem caused by a charging system problem. You should be able to remove the battery from the car once the engine is running without the car shutting off.
It sounds like the voltage is dropping if the lights go off , then the radio, then the car.
The same thing happened to me when my alternator died. The dealer changed my battery right before I purchased the car and their diagnostic didn't show a bad alternator either.
Mjmendez78 April 17th, 2005, 11:25 AM Well, my car still stalls. I can't put the pedal halfway down anymore. Will someone please help me?
What exactly does it do??
Mjmendez78 April 17th, 2005, 11:28 AM I recently have encountered the phantom beep. This is frustrating me so much.
It might be that your airbag sensor needs to be reset thats what lincoln told me my car had.
hope that helps
Thanks
Mjmendez78
Mjmendez78 April 17th, 2005, 11:46 AM Alright, I own a 2000 Lincoln LS with a V8 and it has been giving me problems ever since I purchases it. The problem as of now is the transmission I believe. When I put it into Reverse, it has a long delay before jumping back, and I mean jumping. Then when coming up a hill it switched to a lower gear to get more punch and when it punched, it stalled. The engine basically shut off for a couple seconds. It is also leaking a red fluid under the left portion of the front. I believe it is either transmission fluid or power steering. It is going into the shop for it's 100th time and will probably be there for another week. I would love to hear from you guys on your opinions.
My 2000 LS V8 was doing the same thing and I had my trusty mechanic check the transmission and he found metal paticles in the transmission and that was due to the tranny never being service and the tranny needs to be serviced every 30K miles. My car has 87K and never was service so know the transmission was replaced and the car is running perfect.
hope this helps
Mjmendez78
limcolnlspimp May 11th, 2005, 12:18 PM hey lucas i had the same problem with my airbag just recently and i own a linlcoln ls 2000 also. they said the pigtail had a short in it. so i had them replace it. that cost about 150 dollars. my reverse has the same problems as well. i had the watchamacallit flashed and it still acts up. i find that shifting into reverse at about 900 rpms will give you a perfect transition almost everytime. my car has about 80,000 miles on it. youll find that having the transmission flushed can only be done by the dealership. i still havent done that but i was told that it wouldnt solve my problem anyway. our problem is simple.......we bought nice looking vehicles that were basically prototypes with no quirks worked out of them. i would almost guarantee that if we bought a 2005 or 6 ls we would have no such problems. so enjoy how nice your car looks because what it does to your wallet in the next 2 or 3 years is gonna hurt like hell. i know it has mine. i paid 14,000 for mine almost a year ago and i have since sunk nearly 2000 into it for repairs. that does not count mandatory fluid changes.
lsbit May 11th, 2005, 11:21 PM i know it has mine. i paid 14,000 for mine almost a year ago and i have since sunk nearly 2000 into it for repairs. that does not count mandatory fluid changes.
Off topic, but did you get your work done at Ted Russel on KP? I think I met you there when you just received the quote. ??? I was picking up valve cover gaskets at the time.
GrayGhost1 May 12th, 2005, 06:03 AM Off topic, but did you get your work done at Ted Russel on KP? I think I met you there when you just received the quote. ??? I was picking up valve cover gaskets at the time.
Guys, Guys! Take your LS to Neill-Sandler FLM and see Jimmy Cox. He is the service manager there and is fantastic to work with. Just tell him I sent ya! :Beer
ls2000j June 7th, 2005, 09:45 AM Ok, my lincoln ls 2000 is having some of these same problems you guys have listed. I replaced the transmission a year ago and it ran fine for about 4 months, then started to have problems, I thought it was the transmission again but when I took it in there they sad that is was the engine misfiring. I had all the spark plugs replaced which didn't solve the problem; the trouble code keeps pulling up bad coil packs, I change them and have problems the day I get the car back. My check engine light will come on for a day or so and then turn off for a while and come back on. Meanwhile my car still hesitates all the while. I am getting fed up with taking it in, getting it back to have the same problems over and over again. It also has the hesitation when I put it in to gear. How many lincoln ls 2000's are having this problem, and if so many can someone tell me if there is a recall for something on the car? Any advice or suggestions would help. Thanks
Motts June 7th, 2005, 11:22 AM Ok, my lincoln ls 2000 is having some of these same problems you guys have listed. I replaced the transmission a year ago and it ran fine for about 4 months, then started to have problems, I thought it was the transmission again but when I took it in there they sad that is was the engine misfiring. I had all the spark plugs replaced which didn't solve the problem; the trouble code keeps pulling up bad coil packs, I change them and have problems the day I get the car back. My check engine light will come on for a day or so and then turn off for a while and come back on. Meanwhile my car still hesitates all the while. I am getting fed up with taking it in, getting it back to have the same problems over and over again. It also has the hesitation when I put it in to gear. How many lincoln ls 2000's are having this problem, and if so many can someone tell me if there is a recall for something on the car? Any advice or suggestions would help. Thanks
make the car disappear......... :wrench take the insurance payoff (hopefully you have GAP) and go get a new one....
eL eS June 7th, 2005, 11:47 AM Well if the tranny you put in has the old unupdated solenoid pack and valve body it is entirely possible that that is the problem. The istallers might have info on the build date and such of the tranny and possibly tell if you do have the older parts.
I went through 3 solenoid packs and 1 valve body all has been well since then but I know that the parts were from the update generation.
frhill June 11th, 2005, 09:52 AM Ok, my lincoln ls 2000 is having some of these same problems you guys have listed. I replaced the transmission a year ago and it ran fine for about 4 months, then started to have problems, I thought it was the transmission again but when I took it in there they sad that is was the engine misfiring. I had all the spark plugs replaced which didn't solve the problem; the trouble code keeps pulling up bad coil packs, I change them and have problems the day I get the car back. My check engine light will come on for a day or so and then turn off for a while and come back on. Meanwhile my car still hesitates all the while. I am getting fed up with taking it in, getting it back to have the same problems over and over again. It also has the hesitation when I put it in to gear. How many lincoln ls 2000's are having this problem, and if so many can someone tell me if there is a recall for something on the car? Any advice or suggestions would help. Thanks
You're not alone. I have a 2000 LS Sport that's been problematic since the day I bought it. My current issue is that the car does not exhibit smooth acceleration under or near full throttle. In some cases after running at highway speeds for awhile, the engine will stall under half to full throttle. Some coils and spark plugs have been replaced, and a cam positioning sensor by Ford but after $800 the problem still persists. What's worse is that the problem is intermittent. My city mileage has been a consistent at 18 MPG--so I'm not convinced that the plugs and coils are the source of the problem. The problem began with a quick lube service somehow fouled some spark plugs and coils. After the oil change, The car would hardly run. Fords had a couple attempts to get it right; but like you I'm fed up. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
jrmb24 June 14th, 2005, 08:20 PM I HAVE A 2000 LS V6 AND IT'S BEEN GIVING ME PROBLEMS. I BOUGHT IT AT ABOUT 25,000 AND I STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THE CAR WOULDN'T START. THEN MAYBE A FEW HOURS LATER IT WOULD START UP LIKE IT'S BRAND NEW. NOW AT 42,800 THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING MORE OFTEN. I'VE TAKEN TO THE DEALERSHIP NUMEROUS TIMES AND I'M TOLD EVERYTHING'S FINE, BUT STILL GET A BILL AND THE PROBLEMS STILL GO ON. THE ALARM STARTED COMING ON AROUND THE SAME TIME EVERDAY, AFTER I TOOK TO DEALERSHIP. MOST RECENTLY AFTER I SUSPECTED IT MIGHT BE THE FACTORY ALARM SHUTTING THE FUEL PUMP OFF AND THE TRUNK SENSORS MIGHT BE WHAT'S CAUSING THE FUEL PUMP TO SHUT OFF. I WAS ABLE TO GET THE CAR TO START AFTER PUSHING TRUNK SENSOR UP, BUT AS SOON AS I CLOSED THE TRUNK, THE CAR SHUTS OFF. I POINTED THIS OUT TO THE DEALERSHIP AND GAVE A DEMO. THEY TOLD ME IT WAS FAULTY WIRING AND THE PROBLEM WOULD BE FIXED. THAT WAS LAST MONDAY AND $200 AGO AND IT'S STILL DOING THE SAME THING. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP. I TOO HAVE TAKEN THE CAR TO SHOP SEVERAL TIMES AND I KEEP BEING TOLD EVERYTHING'S FINE. argue2
eL eS June 14th, 2005, 08:26 PM I HAVE A 2000 LS V6 AND IT'S BEEN GIVING ME PROBLEMS. I BOUGHT IT AT ABOUT 25,000 AND I STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THE CAR WOULDN'T START. THEN MAYBE A FEW HOURS LATER IT WOULD START UP LIKE IT'S BRAND NEW. NOW AT 42,800 THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING MORE OFTEN. I'VE TAKEN TO THE DEALERSHIP NUMEROUS TIMES AND I'M TOLD EVERYTHING'S FINE, BUT STILL GET A BILL AND THE PROBLEMS STILL GO ON. THE ALARM STARTED COMING ON AROUND THE SAME TIME EVERDAY, AFTER I TOOK TO DEALERSHIP. MOST RECENTLY AFTER I SUSPECTED IT MIGHT BE THE FACTORY ALARM SHUTTING THE FUEL PUMP OFF AND THE TRUNK SENSORS MIGHT BE WHAT'S CAUSING THE FUEL PUMP TO SHUT OFF. I WAS ABLE TO GET THE CAR TO START AFTER PUSHING TRUNK SENSOR UP, BUT AS SOON AS I CLOSED THE TRUNK, THE CAR SHUTS OFF. I POINTED THIS OUT TO THE DEALERSHIP AND GAVE A DEMO. THEY TOLD ME IT WAS FAULTY WIRING AND THE PROBLEM WOULD BE FIXED. THAT WAS LAST MONDAY AND $200 AGO AND IT'S STILL DOING THE SAME THING. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP. I TOO HAVE TAKEN THE CAR TO SHOP SEVERAL TIMES AND I KEEP BEING TOLD EVERYTHING'S FINE. argue2
I have 00 LSV6 and had a problem with the car just shutting down randomly si this happening to you?
Chip Kooser June 29th, 2005, 10:39 PM Well, this Transmission problem sounds like a very typical problem for "alot" of 2000 owners. About 2 months ago I started having a cutting out under partial accelleration and it has developed into a severe bog and engine shut off when trying to pass on the highway or accelerate around town. (Worse when the car gets warmed up) I took it to the dealer and they said it was misfiring because of bad coils, although it hadn't coded at all and the car wasnt missing, just boggin down under acceleration. Well after checking the internet and seeing all of the problems with the valve cover gaskets and the coil issue, I went ahead and changed the Valve cover gaskets, plugs and coil packs and it is no different. Then they said Mass Air sensor voltage didnt look right, so I changed it too. Still no difference!!!
I was just telling my wife tonight that I think the cutting out is related to the transmission and possibly the rev limiter on the car. So I started to search the net for LS and tranny problems. Well we are not alone!
My car acts as if the tranny is slipping and somehow engaging the rev limiter, then it floods itself and cuts out. (If you rev the car in park it will act the same way at 3000 rpm.) When I crank the car back up, it has run very poorly and actually produced a code. However, in order to clear it up to get the car to make it home, I disconnected the battery and let the computer reset and it will start and run fine and the codes are erased.
Well, while searching the internet today I have found numerous, numerous, numerous people with the same problem, but no definitive cure although I do believe the problem is definetly tranny related. My car doesnt miss a lick, and it pulls hard, when the it is cool and the problem isnt occurring. Well I guess after what I have read, I am simply going to have the fluid flushed and the pcm flashed to the newest updates and go trade it back to the dealer while the car is cooled off and not slipping. (Before I get stuck with paying $3,700 for a new tranny)
By the way my car only has 41,000 on it and has been out of warranty for 6 months. It was great until a few months ago and now I have been getting all of the common 2000 LS problems. The Dealers are making alot of money off of misdiagnosing these cars and there are far to many people that have spent thousands and still have the exact same problems they started with.
Sorry for the wordy post.
lsbit June 30th, 2005, 11:09 PM Hello Chip,
This stuff can be frustrating, especially at the low mileage you are at. I think I am going to suggest to people to buy '00s with more than 65,000 miles on it so they know the problems have been fixed already. :)
Are you sure you not running into the infamous fuel pump/rear computer issue that others have run across? It sure does sound like it is starving for fuel.
Also, that 3000 revving in park thing is normal for our cars. It has a rev limiter that kicks in when in neutral/park at the rpm.
I would get a fuel pressure gauge that you can mount where you can see it while driving to see if the pressure drops off under accel.
Let us know what you find and good luck!
Chip Kooser July 2nd, 2005, 03:44 PM Well, LSBIT you may be right about the fuel thing, I am not sure. The car is running very smooth and no longer missing since the new coil packs, etc... but occasionally the car wants to stumble on its face when accelerating quickly. My only question about the fuel system problem is, do you know if it is an intermittent problem? The car runs great most of the time and sometimes and you can floor it and run it up to 100 with no problem over and over with no problem, then out of nowhere it will stumble on a light under quick acceleration and bog down and die. It is starting to get to the point that when it dies, you have to sit there for 2 or 3 minutes before it will start again or get out and disconncet the mass air sensor and it will fire right up.
I haven't seen alot of info on the fuel problem so I am not sure what other people symptoms are. I have a fuel pressure gauge so I will test the theory and see what I find out. Do you know what fuel pressures are normal?
Thanks for the info.
lsbit July 2nd, 2005, 04:41 PM There is a rear control module that can go bad along with the fuel pumps. I have heard of it being intermittent before, and it might have been someone on this forum. I know "El Es" has had this problem and had it fixed, so you can search for that. I am not sure what the FP is supposed to be. On a return system, it is around 45 psi, but these are return-less. I would check readings when it is driving normally and you should see an obvious drop in FP when it gives you the problem.
Chip Kooser July 6th, 2005, 07:49 PM Still have the problem!!! I just got the car back from the dealer today after a Trans flush and a reflash of the computer with all applicable updates. When I picked it up tonight, after close, the advance track light is now flashing constantly, but it seemed to run and shift better. Good right? Wrong, that wasonly until it warmed up and I accelerated to half throttle and it bogged down again. Tried it several more times on the way home down side streets and it bogged down and shut off, just as before. Smells really bad when it does. Convertors must be getting flooded.
OK here is what I have changed and the 2000 lS Sport V8 is still pathetic!
All 8 coil packs
2 Valve cover gaskets
Mass Air sensor
Update computer
Trans Flush
All Spark Plugs (Motorcraft)
P.S. Dealer said the computer is not holding any codes! They haven't driven the car yet and dont understand what I am telling them. I will make them drive it tomorrow! Let them stall in traffic and have to sit there and see if they take a little more interest.
The car drives so good at a very light throttle you just can't give it gas, once it is warmed up. That is why I dont believe it to be fuel pump issues as it only occurs once it is heated up.
I will keep you updated incase you are having the same problem. It sure seems like plenty of us are.
lsbit July 6th, 2005, 09:49 PM The car drives so good at a very light throttle you just can't give it gas, once it is warmed up. That is why I dont believe it to be fuel pump issues as it only occurs once it is heated up.
I will keep you updated incase you are having the same problem. It sure seems like plenty of us are.
Part throttle uses less fuel and fuel pumps act up more when they get hot as do a lot of electrical components. Fuel VOLUME may be lacking which could be the control circuit to the pump or the pump itself. You could always have clogged converters or something too. Nothing smells worse than a lean burn. You should smell it with a supercharger. It's like you can smell the metal melting. :)
joedirt July 19th, 2005, 06:34 AM hey chip im a ford master tech and also an 02 ls owner. i have to go to werk now. i will help u with yer problem when i get back.
joedirt July 19th, 2005, 08:39 AM ok i have some extra time here at werk. im curious in wether u have this problem at 1/4 tank or less. as u know the LS fuel tank is split with a FDM (fuel delivery module.. aka fuel pump) on the rightside and a JPM (jet pump module)on the left. we are having problems with the jet pump not supplying the primary fuel pump with fuel. so when your gas gauge is reading around a 1/4 tank the right side is actually pretty much empty and the left has all the fuel in it. there is an updated part # for both of these that need to be replaced at the same time. by the sounds of your complaint especially stalling at heavy throttle. there isnt much it could be except a fuel starving problem.
limcolnlspimp August 3rd, 2005, 05:29 PM just burn it to the ground and collect insurance on it. im about to do the same to mine. im thru f__king with it. dont get me wrong its a beautiful car but the more you drive them the more they mess up. so just burn it. youll get more out of it that way than you wiill from the dealership on a trade in. sorry but thats the way i feel after putting more money into it than i have paid off on it.
davidanthony21 August 10th, 2005, 11:03 AM Ever get the problem fixed? What was the cause?
frankross January 30th, 2011, 08:55 AM i have a 2000 lincoln ls with the v8 and when i start it there is a loud noise like its back fireing into the intake or something is bounceing in the intake any idea what it could be:confused:
FASTLLS January 30th, 2011, 09:41 AM Does it do it all the time or just on startup? Does it run fine? Hoe long has it been doing it?
joelwood February 16th, 2011, 01:08 PM ok i have some extra time here at werk. im curious in wether u have this problem at 1/4 tank or less. as u know the LS fuel tank is split with a FDM (fuel delivery module.. aka fuel pump) on the rightside and a JPM (jet pump module)on the left. we are having problems with the jet pump not supplying the primary fuel pump with fuel. so when your gas gauge is reading around a 1/4 tank the right side is actually pretty much empty and the left has all the fuel in it. there is an updated part # for both of these that need to be replaced at the same time. by the sounds of your complaint especially stalling at heavy throttle. there isnt much it could be except a fuel starving problem.
If you are still out there...... (I know this is an old post) I too could use some advise on my 2000 LS V8 that's acting up. It's been suffering from allot of the same maladies as has been described in this thread. The worst of which is the bogging out and stalling upon acceleration and the subsequent hard starting. Mine too displays "CHECK TRANSMISSION" (with no related codes set) sometimes when this occurs, among other trans related messages. I have not paid attention to the fuel level when it stalls out but I will and will let you know if that seems to be the case. The car has around 150k on it now and runs good otherwise. I left a Ford dealer back in 95 and now work for a utility fleet (mostly GM) so haven't had much experience on this new of a Ford/Lincoln vehicle.
smart97 September 22nd, 2011, 02:47 PM I'm having trouble with my trans. after I drive a mile or so, the trans flashes E and it will not shift past 3rd. I can restart the engine and it will work fine untill I either come to a stop or slow down.
joegr September 22nd, 2011, 03:10 PM I'm having trouble with my trans. after I drive a mile or so, the trans flashes E and it will not shift past 3rd. I can restart the engine and it will work fine untill I either come to a stop or slow down.
You have two basic choices.
1. Keep driving like that for a while longer and the diagnosis will be simple. Rebuild or replace entire transmission.
2. Stop messing around and get the Ford specific OBDII transmission codes read and proceed from there.
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