Hey guys and gals
just felt like writing to tell u guys i just wrecked the ls last night around midnight
i was driving from a friends house and while passing through a intersection probably doin about 50 in a 45 when the woman in the other direction decided to pull out and make her left hand turn with me coming down the road well...
gues what ......kaaaboooom i saw a car in front of me and the rest was like a dream...... i had hit her from the side it was a perfect tbone if i was aiming it would of been a buulzeye ....... when i came through (took me about fifteen seconds) i looked up a the traffic light and it was still green ...as green as it was when i went through it ... i then proceeded out of the car and observed her pulling a baby out of the backseat and thats when i felt like :q:q:q:q i thought i was gonna throw up the baby was crying but not that much to my suprise than to my suprise again i found out that there was another baby in the car i know looked at the girl probably mid to early 20s and apologized (for what i dont know but i just felt like :q:q:q:q when i found out those kids were in the car) for what i dont know cuz it was her fault to every degree . she than apologized to me

after i started writing this it really filled in a blank spot of it for me and i remembered what she said as soon as i exited my car after impact . she sai oh my god im so sorry and that she had been arguing with her boyfriend and i think she said she was on the phone
how i forgot that i dont know but my nerves were way off track

both of the kids got out ok execpt for the back windshield had shattered on them they had a few little cuts

now back to her talking about the argument with her boyfriend after the cops had arrived and she was on the phone with somone and said some :q:q:q:q:q:q:q ran a red light and hit her.... i didnt say anything but i did tell the cop that i heard her tell her say that to the person on the phone but i told him that i know my light was green and i didnt want to start any arguments or anything because i didnt feel it was the right time she heard and argued back

now i didnt remeber that she said she admitted to being at fault until now i hope they dont think im trying to lie about anything because i now kno for a fact she said that she had just gotten into an argument with her boyfriend its just whether or not she said she was on the phone which i dont remember clearly but i think she did say it im about 75 percent sure
that well be argued in court if any police officers have any idea wat they think might happen id love to hear





as far as the cars mine looked pretty bad but no where as bad as hers she had a 2000 cavelier i basically hit her passenger door head on dead center at 50 without ever touching the break so it looked horrible like a wrecking ball just swung into it as far as mine its gonna be close to totalled price wise the hood pinched perfectly and my front end looked horrible. i also did a 360 after and screwed my driver side ass end up on the curb (shattered my rim)but for a 21 year old man with no seat belt on ..... i was fine a little shakey at first and i think i hit my head on the steering wheel but i felt fine

I take my hat off to the lincoln ls

i think it might have saved my life

wow, sounds like my accident back on November, but the only difference is that I was the one that ran the red light, when I looked infront of me, all I saw was a white Ford Econoline, and the next thing i remember is waking up to the sound of the sirens coming of the cops and rescue truck. I was fine until i got out and saw my car totalled, my dream car was gone, it was a 97 Toreader red Lincoln MarkVIII LSC. Someday ill own another one. Since you didnt have your seatbelt on, im guessing the LS was the one that saved your life, with the side impact airbags.

P.S. i would like to see the before and after pics of the car.

no airbags went off in my car i hit her side with the front of my car

Not to sound harsh, but do you have any pics?

no car still in impound but ill get them asap i really want a pic of her car it was horrible

That was the hardest story to read ever. No periods or comas. God!

Oh, yeah... sorry about the idiot that made you wreck your LS

You slammed into another car going 50mph, no airbags deployed, you weren't wearing a seatbelt, and you're perfectly fine?? :confused: wow, lucky man...

Did you get a copy of both police reports to see who they put at fault?

You feel that in the morning...

Did you get a copy of both police reports to see who they put at fault?

they didnt give us any police reports but they said that they would be ready in 5 days

You feel that in the morning...

you aint jokin but my gmom gave me some tylenol with codine

See if you had been in VA she would've been at fault no matter what happened because she was talking on the cell phone while she was driving.
In general when an accident like that happens fault is placed on the driver who was turning. Even if her light WAS green, she was looking in the direction that your car was coming from, and she would have seen that you were not going to stop. That places the blame on her, since, being the driver of an automobile, she has to take the responsibility to avoid a potential accident even if she DOES have the right of way. If she can prove through a witness that she had the right of way, then it would be turned around and fault would be placed on you. Luckily for you, it doesn't look like that will happen.

codine



I bet you feel WAYYYY better......haha..


I crack myself up sometimes.:D

That was the hardest story to read ever. No periods or comas. God!

Oh, yeah... sorry about the idiot that made you wreck your LS


:lol: thats funny there was someone else who would right their posts like that it was a pain in the a$$ to read because I couldnt tell where one sentence started or ended how people write like this I have no idea is isnt it taught in school to use things like those dots and slash things even writing like this is hard to do because im so used to writing correctly spelling may not always be right owell

Sorry to hear about the LS. It's a great car. Maybe you'll get another one since the '06s are way cheap. Glad everyone got out alive!

thats why cameras on the traffic lights are a great thing. they can be self incriminating though......big brothers always watching

but yeah, back to the airbags. none deployed on a 50mph impact?? doesn't sound like the LS saved anything actually it seems more like the LS failed to do its job. but besides the point sorry to hear about your accident, hopefully nothing gets too crooked with the case and you don't have to pay any fines. good thing everyones ok. and what was this woman doing with her babies/children at 12 at night?

From the '01 Owner's Guide:
The fact that the pretensioners and air bags did not activate in a collision does not mean that something is wrong with the system. Rather, it means the forces were not of the type sufficient to cause activation.
The 2nd Gen LSes, at least, use "smart" airbags; I know the passenger airbag is disabled if the front passenger is not wearing a seatbelt, but I don't know if this is true of earlier LSes or if it's true of the driver's airbag.

Different car but my 96Mark deployed both with just me in the car and no seat belt. Kinda wierd to watch them deploy...

Can't imagine why they didn't on this impact.

well i just got back from the police station and the officer told me that one of the children has been in icu since it happened ... im so scared right now for that child. it was a bad accident

i alsoo didnt have my seatbelt on so maby thats y they didnt deploy or i saw that the main part of my ffront bumper was still in tact and didnt actually look that bad im very lucky and already had many talks with "the big guy in the sky" since it happened
sry bout the grammar but i find it to much of a pain using punctuation wen i type i do it with one hand as it is

WOW first off lets prayy for that baby cause although it wasnt ur fault thatss GOTTA be hard on u knowing that and well thank godd ur alritee. sucks for the LS but heyy wasnt ur fault so now u can get a nicee 06 1 (where the airbags will deploy) lolol

From the '01 Owner's Guide:

The 2nd Gen LSes, at least, use "smart" airbags; I know the passenger airbag is disabled if the front passenger is not wearing a seatbelt, but I don't know if this is true of earlier LSes or if it's true of the driver's airbag.

Gotta disagree with that. The airbag is a supplemental restraint device. To be used independent of the seatbelt. That is/was the whole point behind the airbag. There are de-powered ones based on the weight of the passenger, and sometimes the driver.


The sensors are located in the bumper area, so if the bumper wasn't hit chances are the bag wouldn't deploy. They also won't deploy in crashes, IIRC, below ~27mph. You say you weren't wearing your seatbelt. As you weren't impaled by the steering wheel, IMHO, you weren't going as fast as you thought. The LS has anti-lock brakes so there won't be any skid marks either. Looks like you actually hit the brakes and slowed quite a bit without realizing it. That would be good for you and the other car.

It really matter what she claims. The police should be able to figure out the colors of the lights pretty easily. And as was said earlier, left turners rarely have the right-of-way. In California, technically it is never legal to make a left turn, even with a green yellow as the left turner must yield to ALL other traffic! Yet another example of the law of unintended consequences.

Gotta disagree with that. The airbag is a supplemental restraint device. To be used independent of the seatbelt. That is/was the whole point behind the airbag. There are de-powered ones based on the weight of the passenger, and sometimes the driver.


The sensors are located in the bumper area, so if the bumper wasn't hit chances are the bag wouldn't deploy. They also won't deploy in crashes, IIRC, below ~27mph. You say you weren't wearing your seatbelt. As you weren't impaled by the steering wheel, IMHO, you weren't going as fast as you thought. The LS has anti-lock brakes so there won't be any skid marks either. Looks like you actually hit the brakes and slowed quite a bit without realizing it. That would be good for you and the other car.

It really matter what she claims. The police should be able to figure out the colors of the lights pretty easily. And as was said earlier, left turners rarely have the right-of-way. In California, technically it is never legal to make a left turn, even with a green yellow as the left turner must yield to ALL other traffic! Yet another example of the law of unintended consequences.

well if i can get a picture of her car than u can tell me wether or not i hit the breaks but if i was goin under 50 it was still over 45 which was the limit everything under and above the bumper was destroyed but wierdly enough the bumper didnt look that bad
as far as the steeringwheel impaling me my stomach was super tight feeling afterwards and i started dry heaving but im not sure if that was just nerves

o and i talked to the cop and we both think that there were green lights in both directions with no arrows

o and i talked to the cop and we both think that there were green lights in both directions with no arrows

On the responsible side, you're stylin'. She obviously didn't yield the right-of-way.

I still think you slowed without knowing it. Reflexes will do that. Only the "black box" could confirm that and I would stand corrected! Also, I would expect your LS to kill a Cavalier. Especially on a t-bone. You hit probably the most vulnerable part of the car.

Gotta disagree with that. The airbag is a supplemental restraint device. To be used independent of the seatbelt. That is/was the whole point behind the airbag. There are de-powered ones based on the weight of the passenger, and sometimes the driver.
You gotta disagree with what? Supplemental means that they are to supplement the seat belts, not to act independently.

Now, it may be that I am incorrect about the passenger-side airbag being disabled if the front passenger's seat belt is not fastened, but the airbags are not a replacement for the seat belts. The Owner's Guide is quite clear on that subject.

you aint jokin but my gmom gave me some tylenol with codine

that iz terble 2 here. hope u r ok

You gotta disagree with what? Supplemental means that they are to supplement the seat belts, not to act independently.


With that I agree. Page 163 of the OM:



Front safety belt usage sensors

The front safety belt usage sensors detect whether or not the driver and
front outboard passenger safety belts are fastened. This information
allows your Personal Safety System to tailor the airbag deployment and
safety belt pretensioner activation depending upon safety belt usage.
Refer to Safety belt section in this chapter.

well its hard to say i8f i hit the breaks now or not because cant really remember but after thinki9ng about it real hard for a whiule im almost convinced i did
if u look at the damage the heaviest hit was taken above the bumper on the hood and headlights. that being said and after thinkin for a while i came to the conclusion that i had to hit them its just that i dont remember clearly .
got bacvk from the doc , he said i gotta mild concussion and i think i was knocked out

im just afraid for the child , i went to the police station yesterday but the officers workin knew nothin on her condition.

im also a little worried to find out what the judge will do now because of her lies because if they believe her than it looks like im gonna have to pay a dedeuctable and my insurance is gonna hit the roof. this is such bs any legal people in here could definatley use help with this

She took a left turn, you had the right of way, she should automatically be at fault. Thats how it is here in MA.

Good Luck. Hope you and the baby involved feel better.

I'd hate to be the dick in the forum, but don't let this eat you alive. Yes it's sad to hear that a child was injured. But you did not knowingly do it, you tried to stop. If you believe in the big man upstairs, he has a plan for everyone. She was the iresponsible one, she put her kids at risk, she was talking on the phone, she lied about the whole thing. You just happened to cross paths, it sounds like it was a accident waiting to happen. I was in the same situation a couple years ago, got tboned in a intersection, my light was green, the lady that hit me said hers was to, lady was a liar I seen it turn red. Anyway the police stated that the city lights were at fault and niether of us was to blame. Insurance never went up. Hope you can find some peace. And don't feel so bad that you don't stand up for yourself, this is your life your talking about here, Don't let her get away with anything, tell it like it was. You owe her nothing. Anybody on earth would have drove thru that green light.

Meadow Soprano said that airbags without seatbelts can crush the ribcage and cause massive internal bleeding. Or something like that.

got pics of the accident?

Meadow Soprano said that airbags without seatbelts can crush the ribcage and cause massive internal bleeding. Or something like that.
Yeah but I bet it's still nicer than hitting the steering wheel!

I'd hate to be the dick in the forum, but don't let this eat you alive. Yes it's sad to hear that a child was injured. But you did not knowingly do it, you tried to stop.
Damn straight. It's not your fault that she was more concerned with fighting with some jerk than she was with protecting her kids. You were doing what you were supposed to do (even if you were going a bit fast), and she pulled out in front of you--she is the one who endangered their lives, and she is completely at fault.

FWIW, this happened to a guy I know; he was driving a '78 Bronco through an intersection on a green light when a lady ran the red light in a Saturn. She hit him behind the driver's side front wheel and he basically drove over her hood. (The Bronco suffered minimal damage, and the Saturn was rather badly squashed, as one might expect.)

When she got out of the car, she was all apologetic about how she had run the light, right up to the time the police arrived. At that point, it was like Jekyl and Hyde, and she started screaming at the cop that he had run the light and hit her. Fortunately, the guy who had been sitting in the other lane at the red light told the cop that he had seen the Bronco going though on green and the Saturn blow the red. And he also happened to mention that he was a US Marshal, which pretty well shut her up.

Something very similar happened to my boss when he was young; he was also fortunate that a witness not only stayed around to tell what happened, but also showed up to tell the account in court...

Yeah but I bet it's still nicer than hitting the steering wheel!

if thats wat it feels like every time u hit the steering wheel than screw the airbags id rather have hit the wheel anyday but next time i may not be so lucky

Glad you are ok and hopefully the baby is as well!!!!!- What was the posted speed limit ?

the posted speed limit was 45 . last i remember i was at 50 but after alot of thought i think i had to of slammed the brakes and i do have green stuff pads and drilled and slotted rotors so i hope it was enough to save the little girls life ... the hospital said that they cant let any info on it out .

i also recieved a ticket in the mail today for careless driving . As far as i kno she got one to and i guess it will be left up to a judge but i think my story is alot more realistic (the truth).

i just hope it sets me free from this and im not gonna hear anything about it not being able to be proven

I'd call that cop and tell him to issue a citation to her for "failure to yield". Air bags didn't deploy, not good, they should be there when you need them.

Ok, first off don't ever call the cop and tell him to do anything. If he had enough info on scene that night to issue a ticket he would have.

Are you listed as vehicle 1 or vehicle 2? Typically police will list the first vehicle's information as the at-fault driver of the accident. It doesn't mean it's set in stone and if that's the case you can always argue this via civil litigation.

Ticket for reckless driving? And send it in the mail? What a bunch of BS!
Based on what? (I guess the cops were not there, so its basically your word against her)
One is driving, an idiot puts their vehicle in your path when they should not, you brake for them so you can save yourself, and that's reckless driving?
I think that cop and her are a morons. Or laws are stupid that this ticket was based on.
Also "reckless driving" ticket is the worst. Maybe a little under a DUI.

I have just watched Idiocracy so you figure out what I think of her and her kids "making it".

I always keep a disposable camera in the glovebox. Always useful for evidence.

Amazing how quickly folks burn up their cars on this forum. I've read perhaps like fifty posts and already read about three totalled Lincoln vehicles. It's called defensive driving folks - look into it. That means when you're going over the speed limit - you know exactly the threats (vehicles) in your path and where you can't see them, such as side streets, you give these points extra caution and slow down, prepared for evasive action.

I'm afraid I'm not going to give you any shoulder to cry on. She may have blew it - but you blew it too - big time. And to tell the truth ( go ahead call the PC police) I expect more from a guy driving a Lincoln LS than a woman with two kids on her cell phone.

The good thing is, you'll learn from this. You'll learn that insurance companies, judges, deputy DAs and attorneys are all a royal pain and to be avoided at all costs. And when pulled over, in the future, the cops will pull up your record and check your tire tread and light-measure your tint. You'll learn that speeding carries a price.


(End tiny holy-roller rant) :cool:

The airbags won't deploy unless you are decelerating (breaking) at the time of impact. So if you did not have a chance to break that is why they didn't go off. I think at least.

The airbags won't deploy unless you are decelerating (breaking) at the time of impact. So if you did not have a chance to break that is why they didn't go off. I think at least.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect (that you have to be braking). And if you are in a collision wherein you hit another car, you will be decelerating.

Think about it; if you had to be braking, what would happen if someone shot out in front of you from a blind alley? Those airbags and the seatbelt tensioner would be really nice to have then...