Hi All

Just to keep all advised. Here is the new info from ford on the HID bulbs. Looks like it might have a new ballast as well. Part numbers and pricing still unknown....sorry.
max

Does this mean that they are basically retrofitting a new bulb for the application? Maybe something more standardized?

And since it's from Ford, do you think that we are looking at a $900 replacement for the pair?

Thanks for the update Max.;) ;)
I do have extra ballasts but no bulbs. Are they coming together or seperate. I want to install these on my 94 I have extra Housings too!!:D

excellant questions .................no answers yet...........sorry
you now have all the info I have..sorry

Thanks Max I understand ..... so we wait:D

No further info huh? I've decided that if mine go I'm buyin a couple high power flashlights and some Duct Tape:rolleyes:

I dont know why theu just do not go to a LED lamp of some sort.

See, this is why I like dealing with Max. He'll tell you straight out what he's dealing with and won't beat around the bush! Always a pleasure working with him! Keep up the good work! :D

Have to agree with that Dave... Maxx is alway good to use here at LvC...

Honnest and also a great guy to talk to... Can't wait to meet up with him some day...

You know Dave... Maxx is almost on the route of our Motorcycle trip... LOL...

Maxx is great. I usually drag him out to lunch every time I'm in AZ.

Maxx is great. I usually drag him out to lunch every time I'm in AZ.

I believe the dragging part :p

Thank you for the kind words.
Ill be at the replica car show At Knottsberry farm with all the cobra and ford racing people on the 27-28 next week. Anyone in the LA area should stop by and say Hey.
I guess that also means I will not be here thurs-sat to take your orders. Please hold them til monday or even call before then!!

Have a great weekend
max

At least Ford is doin' SOMETHING! Thanks for the info, Max.

I'm actually a little encouraged by this news. The fact that we need to change those ridiculous proprietary ballasts might mean that we might have a finally have a factory upgrade that uses bulbs that can be purchased...

But, Ford has disappointed me before.

I referenced this thread to Mark VIII.org, days later a member posted that he had finished testing these replacement units.

You can take this with a grain of salt, or as legit. He had no photos, but that may be from an NDA (non-disclosure agreement). The units have been returned to Ford.

He claims they are completely new housings that use standard halogen bulbs.

This is good news or bad new, depending on how you look at it. New housings mean the cost will be high, probably in the ball park of $600 or more. Since they use standard halogen bulbs, options for after-market kits, cheap ones, haven become endless. The sky will be the limit for HID conversions! Also, if these were new housings WITH HIDs, think of the cost of this kit, it would surly be a lot more.

Worst case, you have to shell out some cash. For NEW updated housings made from better plastics that should be made right - not yellowing/fading.

Best case, Ford starts a silent recall exchange program where one can bring in the vehicle for minimal labor charges to have the old housing removed and new installed. But that probably wont happen unless the DOT is on their butts about this.

Are you saying that Ford is trying to convert our HIDs to Halogen again? If that's the case, why is there a new ballast?

It would make more sense if they'd just re-engineer a bulb to fit, like a regular DS2 with the proper adapter, but- Ford has a habit of disappointing me.

There is no mention of a new ballast, just that the ballast will be obsolete. There is no way to make ANY bulb fit right without the bulb being re-based. A re-based bulb may be available now, but in 10 years, same boat because someone wont make any money off of re-basing the bulb we need? A new housing solves all of that.

Then again, who knows. If this person is telling the truth it still may be subject to final release. For all we know, several kits/conversions were being tested and the halogen was just one. Just a theory!

is nhtsa aware of the flaking chrome?

yellowing is pretty much a maintenance concern (ive never had trouble with yellowing on any of my plastic light cars. if i notice it i wax them and they clear right up) buit the flaking chrome is a true defect.

well my HID's are shining bright on the drivers side, but the passengers side is starting to go orange..then eventually to the nice HID color of the drivers. I am thinking that the new bulb will have to be on the way. If I have to buy new housings, ballasts, and bulbs, so be it. But after that, there will be a 98 LSC for sale. Should be able to get a much better price for it when the new lights are in. Keep us informed Maxx...and thanks.

I have HID's on my mark (a 1996), and I don't like the idea of goin back to haolgen. Are they even looking at the Gen 1 issues here? is this only for Gen 2?

Hey Unity,

"Ford can take those halogins and shove them up their ass for that $$$!!! :rolleyes:

LOL Tractionless!!!! Love the new avatar. :) They FINALLY deleted my postings when I change that file on the remote server. To days that was up in every post with my sig for all to see :) If I had gotten a response, or e-mail about why I was suspended, I would not have done it - but every action deserves the same reaction....

Are there any differences between the HID bulbs for the Gen 1 and the Gen 2?

They are all the same, exception being plugs n the ends, or lack of (97). So they are all interchangeable with a bit of wiring when needed.

05/03/07 6:45am


the new part number is out ( part number...not the part it self)
7R9Z- 13008-A
Oh NO pricing yet maybe next week????
An additional screen says...."one time replacement for HID lamps" ????

I will order 10 and see what happens....

Max

"one time replacement for HID lamps"

Yay!!!! They invented a bulb that will NEVER burn out!

yea right!!!

Well honestly, the one time replacement thing seems like a "we are gonna swap out the HID bulb, once, per side, for free".... probably not, but if so, I suggest that people buy up some used ones and swap those suckers in! lol

Hi Max!!!

Thanks for info!! What a Hottie!!

I'm sure life is treating you and yours great!

I'll be waiting for more!

Smooches!

Debi

p.s. - Thanks so much, my cobras are HOT!!!!

hey max... any updated info on the ford replacement kits? my passengers side is yellow now. thanks

well the pricing is set and it does look like a complete kit with HALOGEN bulbs.

List price is going to be $729.07. I am still working on LVC cost, if anyone wants to convert back to halogens that is!! Shipping is set for 5/25 now and they are still waiting on their (ford) first shipment. Only 18 on back order in the whole system so I think it is a wait and see what happens type of thing.
Max

The HID's are one of the main features of the gen 2 Mark VIII's, I will convert to a crappy HID conversion kit off ebay before switching back to Halogens. What is Ford thinking...

The HID's are one of the main features of the gen 2 Mark VIII's, I will convert to a crappy HID conversion kit off ebay before switching back to Halogens. What is Ford thinking...

While I agree, you are looking the the smaller picture. Lets assume these halogen housings use a standard halogen bulb, one readily available. I think thats a safe assumption unless Ford wants to make the same mistake twice.

This means that for $800 bucks you get new housings, I sure hope both, that take a standard halogen bulb.

Do you know what that means? The sky is the limit now to convert these to HID with the many "standard based" kits out there.

Not saying its an option for everyone, but for under a grand you can get a more versatile, cheaper, easier to replace HID setup.

Or you can get those kits of eBay with re-based HIDs - which at some point the re-based bulb will not be available because like the original HIDs, its non-standard and unique. Remember, our original OEM HID bulbs from Ford sold for $50 each!

Not saying its an option for everyone, but for under a grand you can get a more versatile, cheaper, easier to replace HID setup.

Or you can get those kits of eBay with re-based HIDs - which at some point the re-based bulb will not be available because like the original HIDs, its non-standard and unique. Remember, our original OEM HID bulbs from Ford sold for $50 each!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that putting aftermarket HID kits into halogen housings is a good idea? wouldn't that cause problems with glare all over the place, like you see with all those ricers with cheap HID kits? I thought the only right way to fit HID into a halogen housing is to do a proper projector setup, which would require a lot of custom fabrication to fit the projectors in the housings, and at that point, it doesn't matter much if the housing was originally halogen or hid anyway. Good projectors, bulbs, ballasts, and fabrication will probably cost a lot, too. Not to mention that this kit from Ford will cost more than two brand new gen2 HID housings, which can be fitted with one of the ebay kits for a few hundred, which will be mostly plug and play, without any fab work, and no glare.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that putting aftermarket HID kits into halogen housings is a good idea? wouldn't that cause problems with glare all over the place, like you see with all those ricers with cheap HID kits? I thought the only right way to fit HID into a halogen housing is to do a proper projector setup, which would require a lot of custom fabrication to fit the projectors in the housings, and at that point, it doesn't matter much if the housing was originally halogen or hid anyway. Good projectors, bulbs, ballasts, and fabrication will probably cost a lot, too. Not to mention that this kit from Ford will cost more than two brand new gen2 HID housings, which can be fitted with one of the ebay kits for a few hundred, which will be mostly plug and play, without any fab work, and no glare.

Ok, I will correct you. :) HID into halogen is ok. Light output is reduced a bit but there is NO glare since the halogen lens usually refracts the light output. If you are seeing glare, they are most likely NOT using factory housings and they are using them with an improper bulb - as you know, ricers often replace ANYTHING that bolts on with a phillips screw driver.

Last I checked, a Gen II housing does NOT include HIDS and still costs about $350. This new Ford kit is both sides so about the same price really. But you clearly missing the point - the eBay crap kits are a NON PRODUCTION re-based bulb! DO you want to be in the same boat in three years when they burn out? It is know these after-market, inexpensive HIDs dont last long - add a re-base to it and they are harder to find. Or get a more readily averrable HID kit and you are set, they burn out - so what, cheap and easy to find.

By the way, have you looked at a Mark VIII HID housing, both have clear lenses for the halogen high beam, yet the pattern is fine. The housings are one factor and its best to have the right parts for the right job - in which case the eBay kits are bad anyway since they dont have the right focal point.... so yes, they glare.

I take it that this only applies to GEN 2 HID owners?

So the solution was simply to offer halogen replacements for both? So GEN 1s still have the crappy, poorly designed, overheating GEN 1 housing that we have upgraded from, at significant cost?

What a disappointment. I hope Ford is taking better care of their new owners than they did to the owners in through the 90s.

Calabrio, who knows. Yes, these new kits are for Gen II. Who knows, maybe Gen 1 HIDs are being re-designed.

Max, have you looked up the part numbers for Gen 1 HID stuff at all?

unity

The 96 parts are no longer serviced. The notation say 250 cars were made with the hid's so they do not service them anymore. I guess you would have to buy the gen 1 headlights with halogen bulbs and convert on your own. about 425.00 LVC cost per pair. if you purchased 2 new empty(no bulbs) gen 2 hid h/lmps it would set you back 450.00 lvc cost. There are no part numbers for the headlight for the new kits yet, just the headlights not the kits. The new kit must use an old design bulb in a new designed envelope where the bulb plugs in. the front must be the same. we have to wait and see what arrives in a week or two.
Max

..The 96 parts are no longer serviced. The notation say 250 cars were made with the hid's so they do not service them anymore...
Max
Hummm that is the first time I have seen a number put to the 96 LSC's...think there really could have only been 250?..

Thanks for the info on the HIDs MAXX and thanks for the quotes last week also! Your the best!

Smooches!

MsM8

You're*

Oh, and Maxx? Aparently you're not a "hottie" in Debbi's book... What's up with that? I'd charge Debbi double.

:p Debbi

Maxx knows how I feel about him ;)....

You're*

Oh, and Maxx? Aparently you're not a "hottie" in Debbi's book... What's up with that? I'd charge Debbi double.

:p Debbi

Frogman are you trying to be a "hottie" in Debi's book :p :D :p

If anyone does this conversion could they please post pictures after the install, some night shots of bulb brightness would be nice too. I really don't want to loose the brightness of the HID's. I wrecked my 96 MK8 because of the dim halogens. But I am also starting to experience the cloudy lenses.

Thanks Alot

Ok, I will correct you. :) HID into halogen is ok. Light output is reduced a bit but there is NO glare since the halogen lens usually refracts the light output.




wrong. HIDs into halogen housings do cause a glare because of the different location and direction of the light source.


3000gt with 4300k kit in stock halogen projectors..


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/yinlun/hidkit.jpg


HIDs in proper HID projectors from an acura TSX

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/yinlun/garageshot.jpg




same car before and after putting TSX projectors in a stock 3000gt housing

Those are stupid picture taken at DIFFERENT distances pointing to DIFFERENT sources, you can NOT compare those two... and we are talking about Mark VIII, not rice.

Those are stupid picture taken at DIFFERENT distances pointing to DIFFERENT sources, you can NOT compare those two... and we are talking about Mark VIII, not rice.



different distance or not you cant argue the cutoff. something the mk8 doesnt have at all. HIDs or not.


ill be more than obliged to show you my ricey taillights too. ill just have to remember to flip my mirror up so the glare from your HIDs doesnt blind me

Max I have a gen 1. What can I do? I will pay whatever. pm me please

Doc

Well I know you were expecting this but ford has pushed back the replacement headlights for the gen 2 hid's.....now estimated to be available mid to end of july. Also gen 1 owners will be able to buy the side markers again about the same time and the pricing looks the same as last year....I'm sure that will change by the time they are available.
Doc Check you in box
Max

Poor Gen !'s :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: Have to be A garage queen so they last longer or Daytime driving only Thanks for the Lights again Jeremi !!:D

So, when the 9006 bulbs burn out. What will the replacement bulbs cost? Will it be the $750.00 or so?
Thanks

So, when the 9006 bulbs burn out. What will the replacement bulbs cost? Will it be the $750.00 or so?
Thanks

9006 is used on like a bazillion vehicles.
they cost $10 to $40 at walmart,depending on whether you want basic halogens or silverstar/nighthawk bulbs,and they will probably be available for the rest of our lives.

they just aren't HIDs :(

Ok, so what's the deal? Someone posts information and pics of the new headlight kits and it gets deleted?? This was the only usefull post about HIDs amongst many others full of pointless discussion and speculation. Is this information confidential untill someone affiliated with LVC can get their hands on these kits and start making a profit on LVC members?

Wow, your right... the pics are gone. But I must say, they looked "cheap", like for went for the lowest bidder.

where the heck is m makers posting?

Look what I found:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-Lincoln-Mark-VIII-OEM-Halogen-Headlight-Kit-HID_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ004QQitem Z140130602022QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

and were back to where we started.........in backorder / not available.........i can only imagine how much those are gonna go for when my HID's do go out............go ford........ :mad:

I see the price on those are well over $600.00 The beauty of it is you're getting new housings as well.

Max, what is your price on these?

Well here we go again!! I promised to keep you all advised here is another set back.....sorry....
I do not know what or where the "ebay" guy got the parts from but as you can see it is just not available to ford/lincoln dealers yet. The tentitive price was at $729.07 and the tentitive cost to lvc would be $524.93.
Now I may be premature in the pricing because of the sub supplier issues that could or would change pricing before they even ship any.
Max

Thanks for the updates Max!

And you wonder why ford is losing millions of dollars. People want HID's, so they come out with halogens. Losers!!!

And you wonder why ford is losing millions of dollars. People want HID's, so they come out with halogens. Losers!!!

although i totally understand what you are saying,you cant really expect ford to worry about headlights from 9-10 year old cars.it sucks but i would not expect them to spend any money to manufacture for older cars,i wish they would,but i dont expect ford or any other company to actually do that.

i would rather read in the paper that instead of redesigning new lights for a 1997 automobile,that they instead chose to keep 100 factory jobs that have otherwise been eliminated.

too bad our cars werent sold in quantities like the taurus or a corolla or something,those headlights are available for cheap

But its not ford doing the manufacturing, its Sylvania! I spoke with a rep, a few days ago while at a local advance auto parts store. They have a 2004 Light bult catalog, that showed a p/n for lincoln HID's. P/N HID-9500. The rep knew the part number right off the bat...."OH, that fits the lincolns". She said that ford had a contract for vehicle production run, but did not come back for a aftermarket contract. Therefore, no light bulbs.

Now what is easier, making a complete conversion kit back to halogens, or new HID bulbs?

But its not ford doing the manufacturing, its Sylvania! I spoke with a rep, a few days ago while at a local advance auto parts store. They have a 2004 Light bult catalog, that showed a p/n for lincoln HID's. P/N HID-9500. The rep knew the part number right off the bat...."OH, that fits the lincolns". She said that ford had a contract for vehicle production run, but did not come back for a aftermarket contract. Therefore, no light bulbs.

Now what is easier, making a complete conversion kit back to halogens, or new HID bulbs?

good point

My headlights on my 95 were garbage for the longest time, I ended up taking them out wet sanding and polishing the outside made it like new look wise and I actually washed out the inside of the headlight with some cleaner and water, it took out all the discoloration in the inside of the light and also cleaned up the metal peace inside the headlight the rust over time. Headlights are 10 times better with the factory bulbs, I was thinking though that metal deflector the blocks the bulb in the headlight If removed how much brighter would the headlights be? All this I did to my head lights cost me under 10 bucks for some wet sand paper, wax, and cleaner.

My headlights on my 95 were garbage for the longest time, I ended up taking them out wet sanding and polishing the outside made it like new look wise and I actually washed out the inside of the headlight with some cleaner and water, it took out all the discoloration in the inside of the light and also cleaned up the metal peace inside the headlight that rust over time. Headlights are 10 times better with the factory bulbs, I was thinking though that metal deflector that blocks the bulb in the headlight If removed how much brighter would the headlights be? All this I did to my head lights cost me under 10 bucks for some wet sand paper, wax, and cleaner.

Your headlights would be dimmer. That metal cover reflects light , that would normally not hit the reflector assembly. It also prevents blinding of other drivers.