I was sitting at a stoplight a car came up fast and stopped beside me, couldnt tell wht make it was but he was stepping on the break while giving it gas let up and kept doing that, so when the lite turnd green we took off and I was way ahead of him, I noticed he gave up at about 60 mph. so I slowed back down to speed limit and the next lite was red, and as he was comming to the lite I seen it was a Mark VIII! Now know one thing, I was trying to buy a 98 mark but they couldnt finance it so I got the LS. I thought the LS had the 4.6 and when I found It had a 3.9 I was a POed, But I thought about it and liked the looks of The LS better then the Mark so I Accepted it. Well anyway at the stoplite he wanted to try again and I thought for sure he would kick my a$$,mostly because of the slow shift the LS has, we took off when the lite turned green and sure enough he was about 2 ft ahead, and I thougt to myself my a$$ is whooped. But wait now Im ahead! and I ended up kicking his a$$! Now I Love my LS more.

Dont let the Mark owners see this thread. They will come up with all kinds of excuses. They may even be a little upset. Must have been the driver.:p :p :p

*in before Frogman*

still have the 84 Bill Blass In storage

4.6 but do not like FW drive so I used it for a trade in on my 01 LS

You do have one more gear in the tranny. That allows for higher gearing.
It's funny that the 4.6 makes as much power as the VVT 3.9

I wonder what would happen if you had if you had the 30+HP 2003+.

I was sure the suprise that it started

I have both and yes the Mark guys will deny this. I have said this before.

Gen1 MarkVIII vs. Gen2 LS good race.
Gen2 MarkVIII vs. Gen1 LS good race.

The LS either one is stronger for the short times than most Marks. My 9.3 1/8 time with only intake and exhaust is untouched by Marks with intake and exhaust. The Mark is stronger when at higher speeds but a Gen2 LS should be able to keep in check.

never heard the term VVT before, what does it mean

Man, you would be real surprised if you see somethings Ive done. I let a Mustange pass while I switched lanes and droped it into 3rd behind him and walked away in the other...I love the select shift!;)

I let a Mustange pass while I switched lanes and droped it into 3rd behind him and walked away in the other...I love the select shift!;)

That's funny. Yesterday on my way home, a GT Mustang wanted to race. I'm not really into racing but the LS sure did kick some butt. It was an '02-'05?? I think...

I love my car!

never heard the term VVT before, what does it mean

Variable Valve Timing. Partially why the '03+ V8s have more HP.

I just bought a 94 5.0 I am curious to see how My ls will keep up after I brake in the engine on the mustang. It is an automatic, so it will be an even battle. I might have to put the stock wheels on the LS to make it even. I had a 89 5.0 with a t5, there is no way a LS would have been able to keep up, unless he was spraying. Ill take them to the track here in a month or so. Switching out the wheels on the mustang tomorrow. Little adjustment on the timing and it will be ready for a drive to the beach.

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I race with my 20's the hell with it, mine are light as hell.

I just bought a 94 5.0 I am curious to see how My ls will keep up after I brake in the engine on the mustang. It is an automatic, so it will be an even battle. I might have to put the stock wheels on the LS to make it even. I had a 89 5.0 with a t5, there is no way a LS would have been able to keep up, unless he was spraying. Ill take them to the track here in a month or so. Switching out the wheels on the mustang tomorrow. Little adjustment on the timing and it will be ready for a drive to the beach.

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Your LS should beat that Mustang, or real close stock for stock. The auto and convertable slow it down abit.

I race with my 20's the hell with it, mine are light as hell.

Mine aren't real heavy and I have raced alot with 20s on. But shaved .5 without them.

I got beat up pretty bad when I was being provoked by some Benz tho....I didn't even get to read the badge and he was gone...

But even those Lancer EVO's....I had one mess with me at about 45 -50 mph and I dropped the select shift to 3rd on his ass also and he was left behind without his precious boost to propel him off the line. Once we stopped at a light I let him go and well he was gone but thats besides my point....:p

I bet if you got TSW's that .5 would be shaved...;)

The driver of the EVO must have been sleeping, those things are quick.

Ya on the highway I haven't found much that can touch my LS. My kill list includes countless 99-05 GT's more f-bodys then I can shake a stick at and a few M3's

But what really suppressed me was my buddies worked 96 Mark and another friends 03 Marauder with an exhaust CAI and SCT so as far as work goes where even. From a light ether one will eat me till about 60 then I start catching up and around 75 I'll pass the mark and at about 90 I pass the Marauder. If we go from a 40MPH or more roll I leave both of them in the dust.

No he wasnt trust me...they are quick but not when he cant use the boost off the line...he also didnt drop the gears like I did....to cocky maybe but not asleep.

No he wasnt trust me...they are quick but not when he cant use the boost off the line...he also didnt drop the gears like I did....to cocky maybe but not asleep.

Boost of the line? They always boost.

Well I guess I could see that if he didn't downshift, he would have had to be in 5th, but they have incredible power low, not like a older Turbo. I've driven one...good friend of mine.

Yes they allways boost but it is much more significant off the line, especialy against a car like a LS.

Ya on the highway I haven't found much that can touch my LS. My kill list includes countless 99-05 GT's more f-bodys then I can shake a stick at and a few M3's

But what really suppressed me was my buddies worked 96 Mark and another friends 03 Marauder with an exhaust CAI and SCT so as far as work goes where even. From a light ether one will eat me till about 60 then I start catching up and around 75 I'll pass the mark and at about 90 I pass the Marauder. If we go from a 40MPH or more roll I leave both of them in the dust.

Sorry, run with... but you can't kill any of those.

99-04 GTs should pull everytime on you. 05 GTs should walk you pretty easy, autos less than manuals. Older Mustangs 98 down are beatable by the LS but its not a killing. Marks and Marauders should hang fine on the highway, you can beat them from a light more likely.

Boost of the line? They always boost.

Sorry but even the evo and wrx witch are both ultimately able to keep up with anything elise out there including exotics still don't got nothing to those turbos spin up and those little 4 banners in them have to be turning at a decent click for them to make enough back pressure to spin the turbo's. If he didn't drop the clutch then a car with a decent 6 cylinder should walk away from one.

M3's...NEVER...I hate to addmit it but that aint happening.....but the stangs I believe in my race was with a GT not the newest generation but just before...it was pretty worked at least sounded like it and the kid had a Cobra R kit...LOL with the big wing...LOL.

I sold my FD mazda before the Evo's hit the streets and i KNOW it would kill those damn things even the WRX...those were the boost gods ( IMO). Mine was AT and noone knew why they allways mocked me but after they found the most expensive upgrade was a new clutch and fly wheel every year they finaly figgured it out.

Thats why I like the select shift on the LS you can drop it and shift up like a 5 speed but its stronger....

M3's...NEVER...I hate to addmit it but that aint happening.....but the stangs I believe in my race was with a GT not the newest generation but just before...it was pretty worked at least sounded like it and the kid had a Cobra R kit...LOL with the big wing...LOL.

Could have been a clone GT. Or seriously weighted down with wings and stereo stuff. Just saying its a quicker car, not gonna kill you, but should always win.

Unless its a older M3, late 80s M3s weren't that fast, but for the time...

Sorry but even the evo and wrx witch are both ultimately able to keep up with anything elise out there including exotics still don't got nothing to those turbos spin up and those little 4 banners in them have to be turning at a decent click for them to make enough back pressure to spin the turbo's. If he didn't drop the clutch then a car with a decent 6 cylinder should walk away from one.

They hit strong boost at a incredibly low rpm. They run low 13s stock. And would kill the LS at any speed unless there not trying to hard.

Sorry, run with... but you can't kill any of those.

99-04 GTs should pull everytime on you. 05 GTs should walk you pretty easy, autos less than manuals. Older Mustangs 98 down are beatable by the LS but its not a killing. Marks and Marauders should hang fine on the highway, you can beat them from a light more likely.

Nope the Mark and the Marauder both have too much torq and gears the Mark has 4.11's in it and the Marauder has 3.73's(I think) for me to get them off the line plus the 3.9 makes it's power higher then the dohc 4.6

Now keep in mind thats it's only on the highway that I can best a 99-04 GT there nothing special what 265HP stock. I've wiped the floor with a 96 TA (but I could do that in my t-bird) and one 98 M3 they'll all destroy me off the line every time no ifs ands or buts. Also remember that with intake exhaust and SCT so I'm in the 300-320 range same as all of them and I know the LS is lighter then the Mark the Marauder.

Nope straight GT the only thing weighing it down was the wing...but it was another ummm I wouldn't exactly say cheater win but it was a select shift win..LOL

You see he started to pass and there was a car in my lane so I went behind him and when it was just right I dropped into 3rd and took him down. Now you see these are street races where anything goes and not like on a track there is traffic or even the opposition that you can use to a advantage point.

And I have been in those multi races with M3's and other cars and even stock with a guy in a business suit not even trying I got stomped.

Could have been a clone GT. Or seriously weighted down with wings and stereo stuff. Just saying its a quicker car, not gonna kill you, but should always win.

Unless its a older M3, late 80s M3s weren't that fast, but for the time...

Keep in mind two thing im talking about going from like 70-130 not from a light and Mid late 90's M3's only had a 240HP I6 (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_engines.aspx?year=1998&make=BMW&model=M3&trimid=-1) the GT's before the new one are not that fast still just a sohc 4.6 with PI heads rated at 260HP (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_engines.aspx?year=2004&make=Ford&model=Mustang&trimid=-1) even assuming ford understated the HP more then normal its still less the 300. and its not that much lighter what 3400 lbs vs the LS's 3700 lbs. look at the numbers a stock 03 LS vs a stock 03 GT the LS should win from about 60 onwards just based on the numbers.

OK. You ever take yours to the track, its obviously making alot more power than mine.

OK. You ever take yours to the track, its obviously making alot more power than mine.

Best time was a 14.3 at Moroso's $hitty a$$ track in 84 degree wether I only got to make 3 run's first was a 14.5 second was a 14.3 and the third was a 15.2 cus I f'ed up shifting. never had it on a dyno but the software calculators I ran say Im around the 300-320 mark at the flywheel with all my mods and figure a starting point of about 260 for the LS and you'll see it all adds up.

Actually giving my exp...he ( silver02sport) might be underrating himself..I only have a exhaust and a blitz CAI "filter" with the adapter ( factory tube ) and I can get those same jobs done...now he has more mods than myself, well the SCT and if I can win by a hair or a light bulb in my head when the cars speaking of are modded them self, then I think he should be able to do more then what he even states.

Maybe even you are underating yourself as well...:D

Going to have to show the proof. Heres a run with just Intake and exhaust and no one with a Gen1 has shown proof of better.

http://media.putfile.com/Jasons-02-LSE-runs-1454-94-MPH

Two different days.

Im confused...we were talking about cars on the street to begin with but with out offending you what does this prove I am honestly missing something..No offense.

The top slips there was a head wind which reduced my trap speed. She would have ran 14.4 that day without the head wind. I have the Xcal2 now and am shooting for 14.2.

Im confused...we were talking about cars on the street to begin with but with out offending you what does this prove I am honestly missing something..No offense.

Proof is proof. When people claim to run away on cars that it quite frankly isn't possible to theres really no proof so whos to say it happened. I guess I don't believe as most won't. I have the same equiped car and I know I'm not spanking some of the cars listed. Cars don't run any faster on the street.

Hey regardless of your lap time....I know I beat those cars and so does the other guys that state they did as well...like I said this is on a street not a strip ment for that purpose anything goes on the streets and I am sure you are aware of this as corny as that saying sounds. On the streets you go further than 1/4 mile, you have traffic to draft as well as the opponent, and in rare instances or not sometimes uneven road....I know I might get beat by those cars on the track but I know I beat them that one time on the street.

I'll have to concede the argument to you

+1 but.......except for the M3
Just admit a 260HP GT and a 240HP M3 are no real thereat to a 300+HP car
+1 as well

Not bad what do you have done. Until I can get back up to Moroso or find a decent track close enough I'll have to concede the argument to you. Just admit a 260HP GT and a 240HP M3 are no real thereat to a 300+HP car.

The top slips there was a head wind which reduced my trap speed. She would have ran 14.4 that day without the head wind. I have the Xcal2 now and am shooting for 14.2.

Ok what a min I dident see this before. You run .2 slower then me with less mods, then you say your shooting for a 14.2 after you at best equal me in mods (unless your spraying) .1 sec better then what I clam and you don't believe me.

At first I was insulted, then I released I should thank you just pretty much just confirmed what I'm calming.

Oh and what about ambient temp, humidity levels, elevation from sea level these all have a major impact on what you run.

Hey regardless of your lap time....I know I beat those cars and so does the other guys that state they did as well...like I said this is on a street not a strip ment for that purpose anything goes on the streets and I am sure you are aware of this as corny as that saying sounds. On the streets you go further than 1/4 mile, you have traffic to draft as well as the opponent, and in rare instances or not sometimes uneven road....I know I might get beat by those cars on the track but I know I beat them that one time on the street.



+1 but.......except for the M3

+1 as well

Yes some cars do pull harder as they go and just aren't great 1/4mile cars. However most of the said kills were at higher speeds and the LS is good but not great up there. For example the 4.10 Mark, its going to have one he11 of a strong top end and having one with stock 3.27 gears I know it'll stay with and even pull on my LS at the higher speeds, so with 4.10s I can't imagine it having problems pulling. I said the named Mustangs should beat but if you could pull on some older models it wouldn't be much and definately not going to kill it. EVOs and the Turbo Subs are just faster than the LS period. I don't consider catching someone off guard and beating them a kill, fun, but I couldn't say I whooped him.

Drafting on the street? Come on. Your hitting the gas first and that gives the advantage.

Alls I'm saying is try to keep it real. If you ran a auto 99-04 Stang with your mods to his stock and got a car length...awesome. If the guy was eating a burger and you waved and gunned it with his right hand occupied...cool, but not a killing.

I want nothing more to get some respect for the LS as its faster than most think. Faster than I thought.

Oh and what about ambient temp, humidity levels, elevation from sea level these all have a major impact on what you run.
exactly more of what I am talking about...besides just the street factor but like I have said I give you my argument for now for the fact I have no proof.:cool:

Like I said my kills arent on track day when people feel the need to have the car in tip top condition to allso begin with..IE. fuel...oil..tires...the need to shift as best as they can.....cleaner air filter. Now I drive a LIncoln so I feel it needs to be in good condition everyday or it just aint right to me...I clean my filter when it needs to be...I change my oil everytime it should be...those are very little things but they all count to me...just like the headwind did to you that day...

+1 but.......except for the M3

Thanks but I never said it was a frickin 333 01-05 M3 no I might as well try and race a 03 Cobra I'm talking about a 95-99 M3 all they had was a 240HP/236lb-ft I6.

Ok what a min I dident see this before. You run .2 slower then me with less mods, then you say your shooting for a 14.2 after you at best equal me in mods (unless your spraying) .1 sec better then what I clam and you don't believe me.

At first I was insulted, then I released I should thank you just pretty much just confirmed what I'm calming.

Oh and what about ambient temp, humidity levels, elevation from sea level these all have a major impact on what you run.

Exactly, in that heat your times are fast. I ran those times in 45 and 50 degree weather. I didn't say the car can't do it, nobody has from what I've seen. Gen2 guys have posted 14.2s several times.

Drafting on the street? Come on. Your hitting the gas first and that gives the advantage

What ever ....LOL it can count just as the head wind can on the strip, Im not makeing this out to be Nascar either. Burger?...as I said he was the agressor so was the EVO...and I also stated that they could have been cheater methods to those who can only hang on the strip.

Thanks but I never said it was a frickin 333 01-05 M3 no I might as well try and race a 03 Cobra I'm talking about a 95-99 M3 all they had was a 240HP/236lb-ft I6.

??????? I got destroyed by a 98 and I gave it all I had.....:mad:

Exactly, in that heat your times are fast. I ran those times in 45 and 50 degree weather.

Well the temp rating was just from the LS I very well could have been more like 78-80 I don't know how accurate the LS's outside temp sensor is. But dam I swear she'd brake into the 13's if it ever got that cold.


I want nothing more to get some respect for the LS as its faster than most think. Faster than I thought.

And on this point I say we end this as I couldn't have put it any better except to say it may surprise you yet again just wate till you get the XCal and tune it. You'll see :)

??????? I got destroyed by a 98 and I gave it all I had.....:mad:

Was it moded? There was a guy where I used to work with an intercooled twin turbo kit on a 96 he clamid it made over 500 HP but could never show any dyno slips. Ill tell you this tho I did watch him take a 03 Z06 by about a car length and a halve.

Well the temp rating was just from the LS I very well could have been more like 78-80 I don't know how accurate the LS's outside temp sensor is. But dam I swear she'd brake into the 13's if it ever got that cold.




And on this point I say we end this as I couldn't have put it any better except to say it may surprise you yet again just wate till you get the XCal and tune it. You'll see :)

One thing thou. When claiming quickest time for a car. Proof is needed. If a 03-04 Cobra guy says he ran 11.9 stock on street tires on a Cobra board, people will say prove it. I'll be the first to eat my shorts if I hit a 13.9. Going to need cut-outs for that LOL, don't intend to do that thou. Once I feel I've hit my best with the LS, I'm switching to my MarkVIII for racing.

One thing thou. When claiming quickest time for a car. Proof is needed. If a 03-04 Cobra guy says he ran 11.9 stock on street tires on a Cobra board, people will say prove it. I'll be the first to eat my shorts if I hit a 13.9. Going to need cut-outs for that LOL, don't intend to do that thou. Once I feel I've hit my best with the LS, I'm switching to my MarkVIII for racing.

And thats why I conceded the argument to you, you have proof I don't. I could make clams all day but I don't have the slips to prove it right now.

That said nothing I have said here is outside the range of possibility and the math dose support me so I think I should be given the benefit of the doubt but thats by no means conclusive.

I like how all of you bring out the select shift, I have had old cars and new, select and non-select automatics, when I race with an auto, I dont give a fu<k, I still shift it myself. Took many months at the track figuring out my own redlines. Once you learn when your engine stops pulling, you will learn exactly when to shift. That is your redline. in my 89 5.0 I never got beat by a 96-04 mustang, the 4.6 just doesnt have the torque of the 5.0. I dont give a dam what numbers say, I driven both. I had exhaust and intake on mine. It took exhaust, shifter, tune, and a modified intake for my friends 04 to hang. Driving my Ls, it is very hard for me to see an LS take a Mustang, maybe an auto with an untalented driver. Or maybe if your tuned. Just dont see it guys. TA, Mustang GT, M3, Camaro, Wrx, a real Evo, they will eat me up all day.

(rhetorical question)why race any of these cars? i mean there not meant to be raced. there is not 1 fast lincoln IMHO. if you want fast you need a car built for speed, cough:koenigsegg:cough. if you want to be fast maybe you should save up for a lambo at the LEAST


BTW i am NOT tryn to discourage anyone from building up their lincoln nor am i criticizing anyones modifications or time slips. someone prove me wrong and build a 9 second 1/4 mile lincoln, that would be amazing

OOPs..I take that back it was a 01...my bad?

I agree why race but its fun....My big dream when I actually bought this car was to drop it via air bag's and kit. then putting on even deeper wheels and cambering it out....rolling the fenders+pulling. That was my first idea....now I'm having fun waiting till I get the money for the rest...Thats all for me.

87% of the time my kids with also shes only 7 months so when I get a chance to when shes not around I stalk all the punks that mess with me cause my car looks sleek, when I cant drive like a ass.

I like how all of you bring out the select shift, I have had old cars and new, select and non-select automatics

I had a 70 Plymouth furry III I used to neutral drop...LOL...j/k but I did and that was fun.

(rhetorical question)why race any of these cars? i mean there not meant to be raced. there is not 1 fast lincoln IMHO. if you want fast you need a car built for speed, cough:koenigsegg:cough. if you want to be fast maybe you should save up for a lambo at the LEAST


BTW i am NOT tryn to discourage anyone from building up their lincoln nor am i criticizing anyones modifications or time slips. someone prove me wrong and build a 9 second 1/4 mile lincoln, that would be amazing

Building a 9 second anything is pretty good. I would like to see an 11 or 12 second Lincoln. You could first start by doing an engine, computer, transmission and driveshaft swap. Might as well get another car.

I agree why race but its fun....My big dream when I actually bought this car was to drop it via air bag's and kit. then putting on even deeper wheels and cambering it out....rolling the fenders+pulling. That was my first idea....now I'm having fun waiting till I get the money for the rest...Thats all for me.

87% of the time my kids with also shes only 7 months so when I get a chance to when shes not around I stalk all the punks that mess with me cause my car looks sleek, when I cant drive like a ass.



I had a 70 Plymouth furry III I used to neutral drop...LOL...j/k but I did and that was fun.


I watched a kid do that once in his Monte Carlo, needless to say, he didnt make it very hard. I laughed so hard, my abs were sore the next day. Cried a little too.

(rhetorical question)why race any of these cars? i mean there not meant to be raced. there is not 1 fast lincoln IMHO. if you want fast you need a car built for speed, cough:koenigsegg:cough. if you want to be fast maybe you should save up for a lambo at the LEAST


BTW i am NOT tryn to discourage anyone from building up their lincoln nor am i criticizing anyones modifications or time slips. someone prove me wrong and build a 9 second 1/4 mile lincoln, that would be amazing



Im sorry but I always hate when people try to use this argument. Well why race lawnmowers there not meant for speed or for that matter why play a game of ball with your friends the not pro's.

I watched a kid do that once in his Monte Carlo, needless to say, he didnt make it very hard (OOOPS I MEANT FAR, WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING). I laughed so hard, my abs were sore the next day. Cried a little too.

lol

Building a 9 second anything is pretty good. I would like to see an 11 or 12 second Lincoln. You could first start by doing an engine, computer, transmission and driveshaft swap. Might as well get another car.

Plenty of 11 and 12 second Lincolns out there. May not be LS's, but hey, who's counting :D

The SST in LS is OK, but compared to similar systems in other makes (BMW or Mercedes for example) it is a POS.

I like how all of you bring out the select shift, I have had old cars and new, select and non-select automatics, when I race with an auto, I dont give a fu<k, I still shift it myself. Took many months at the track figuring out my own redlines. Once you learn when your engine stops pulling, you will learn exactly when to shift. That is your redline. in my 89 5.0 I never got beat by a 96-04 mustang, the 4.6 just doesnt have the torque of the 5.0. I dont give a dam what numbers say, I driven both. I had exhaust and intake on mine. It took exhaust, shifter, tune, and a modified intake for my friends 04 to hang. Driving my Ls, it is very hard for me to see an LS take a Mustang, maybe an auto with an untalented driver. Or maybe if your tuned. Just dont see it guys. TA, Mustang GT, M3, Camaro, Wrx, a real Evo, they will eat me up all day.

The SST in LS is OK, but compared to similar systems in other makes (BMW or Mercedes for example) it is a POS.

+1 The SMG system in the BMW would blow your mind compared to the little kids SST system we have.

This is very true but I dont drive a BMW or a Benz:cool:

But from what I read up on, this was the best SST out when it was introduced. Then after Mercedes and BMW followed and improved the versions they made. Thats just what I hear.

Anyways, its fun to use if the car has to be driven by another pearson that cant drive stick( wife's/girlfriends) plus I think it gets annoying hearing that high low brrrr..BRRRR...brrr when just cruising and the trans down shifts then up shifts when you just move your foot around and its in D5/D4 and you have a noisy exhaust.

Anyone ever wonder what life with the LSV8 would be like if it were stick?