Modifications:
Alcon Grand Am GT brakes.
OMP Pista K racing seat.
OMP SuperQuadro steering wheel
OMP 6 point safety harness
Riley Technologies rear wing
Pirelli PZero Corsa tires 285/30 18 front 315/30 18 rear
H&R Special Springs
Fikse Wheels 18 x 10 front/18 x 12 rear (special offsets)
Street Smart Design cold air intake
Motorcity Speedcraft Aero kit (air dam, rockers, wheel flares, rear sash panels)
Motorcity Speedcraft Brake ducts
Motorcity Speedcraft 3" exhaust (no mufflers)
Autometer Competition Gauges

The car is currently appx. 600 lbs. lighter than stock, with plenty of room to remove more.

Courtesy of Marc Gerstenberger

Bah, just another ordinary 14 second ride... I thought he would atleast have some engine work done, maybe a SC or Turbo? Come on now...
:ban

I agree with Stra on that one....NO engine mods....>WTF!!!

Also....WTF is that bleacher bench seat rear wing on that thing.....talk about RICE......that thing is HORRIBLE to say the very least.....

Other than no engine mods, and that :q :q :q ugly arsed rear wing.....the car is hot.....from what I can see.

Also....WTF is that bleacher bench seat rear wing on that thing.....talk about RICE......that thing is HORRIBLE to say the very least.....

Now you see that HORRIBLE things can happen when it is in the wrong hands... I do like the tires tho...

Well - there is a modified exhaust and air intake.

I dont know just how much you can do for engine mods. My understanding is that you cant get the chip reporgrammed - thanks to Lincoln - and because of that your very limited as to what you CAN mod on the engine.

I agree with the exterior, it looks great - but the picnic table on the trunk has to go.

actually since its mass air there is plenty you can do w/o touching the eec tables

you'd just have to live with the stock maps which isn't much of a problem at all...its also possible that you might be able to modify a 4.6 timing adjuster to work on the 3.9

EWWWWWWW need some soy sauce with all that rice???? GROSS.

Damn that is nice. But loose the wing!

Hi guys, thanks for the kind words. Joey, if you would be so kind, please post a pic of the interior showing the roll cage so folks can see that this is a race car. Unlike a street car the LS-R is set-up to perform only one function- generate the shortest lap times possible. The Riley Technologies wing and the rest of the aero kit are there to this end, so sorry if it doesn't appeal to our sense of taste. FWIW the wing looks even nastier with the wicker installed and if the rules allowed placing it higher into the airstream coming off the roof it would stand taller and look even worse. The aero kit will be produced on a limited basis but the wing is proprietary.

As far as engine mods, I can only say that if you have sufficient funding Mr.Yates might oblige.

You can't tell from the photos but it is not nice to drive anymore, either. The concensus would certainly be that the driving experience on the street sucks, and NVH is terrible. However at competitive speeds the LS-R is quite driveable. The spring/shock/aero package is set up specifically for this purpose of having a performance advantage over the next car. The engineers looks at lap times more so than what anyone says. They don't even listen to sponsors...

Regards,
Marc Gerstenberger

Interior of the Lincoln LS R

It's understood the "wing" has a purpose, but it does really take away from the looks of what otherwise is a very sexy looking LS. However, that is only a matter of personal taste. Anyways, I bet it'll scorch any ricer on the road, even with that "wing" and it is a rear-wheel drive car,so it does at least, have validity. The car looks sweet anyways!

Marc - great job.

What have you done to the suspension?

You mentioned the aero-kit would be limited production - where does the line form?

Looks like a manual in it? - on a V8?????

I also would like to know if the aero kit is going to be available and if it would fit earlier model of the LS? I will be second in line behind Quik!!

It's understood the "wing" has a purpose, but it does really take away from the looks of what otherwise is a very sexy looking LS. However, that is only a matter of personal taste. Anyways, I bet it'll scorch any ricer on the road, even with that "wing" and it is a rear-wheel drive car,so it does at least, have validity. The car looks sweet anyways!


Scorch any ricer on the road? Please. I doubt that thing could even keep a factory stock SRT-4 in sight let alone compete with any serious "ricer" cars like a STi or EVO. It's a sharp looking car (with the exception of the wing) and I'm certainly sure it generates some bench-racing talk amongst LS owners but you need to get real.

I am currently exploring appropriate vendors to tool this bodywork and do an initial run of 100 units, with a second 100 unit run to follow. I will keep you guys updated by means of this board as soon as I have an ETA on a ready-to-ship date. I am a liconlnvscadillac.com member so Private messages may be the best way to discuss details.

I guess that makes me 3rd in line for the aero kit, but I am more interested in the CAI. There hasn't been a CAi for the 2003 and up yet so makes me very interested.

I guess that makes me 3rd in line for the aero kit, but I am more interested in the CAI. There hasn't been a CAi for the 2003 and up yet so makes me very interested.

There is a CAI for the 2003 V8 LS's. Go here for that:

http://www.kustomz.com/lincoln.html

There is a CAI for the 2003 V8 LS's. Go here for that:

http://www.kustomz.com/lincoln.html

Heck, when was this released! Anyone have any pics of this '03 and up CAI installed?


dc

if the corvette doesn't need a spoiler to run a 12 second 1/4, why does a 14 second lincoln need one the same size as the 16 year old down the block? With that spoiler, they should just add some fart cans and yellow paint stripes...

if the corvette doesn't need a spoiler to run a 12 second 1/4, why does a 14 second lincoln need one the same size as the 16 year old down the block? With that spoiler, they should just add some fart cans and yellow paint stripes...it's not meant to be a 1/4er but a grand-am cup road racer - http://www.grand-am.com/

all the sedans have these goofy big spoilers to keep them planted.

even your vette -
http://www.stoptech.com/images/racingphotos/david_farmer.jpg

Here are some pic of the installation on my 2004 LSE.

George,

Thanks for posting those pictures. I didn't want to post any pictures from LLSOC on here. The intake looks good! I bet it runs and sounds better.

Hi Marc,

Sorry you took a little heat with the whale tail. I guess it's because your car would be a sweet street ride without it.

Got a question for you.
Do you have an comparitive lap times yet with other cars like Vettes, BMW's, Lexus's, Firebirds, etc?

I know there are differences in the drivers, but let's assume all the drivers are equal for this example.

I'm just curious to hear how competitive the car is with a 600 pound weight reduction.

BTW, sharp car!

George,

Thanks for posting those pictures. I didn't want to post any pictures from LLSOC on here. The intake looks good! I bet it runs and sounds better.

That's actually NOT a good installation. Everyone needs to remember that a CAI (Cold Air Intake) system depends heavily on proper installation to give you any gains at all in power. With improper installation (as in the picture above) it's actually quite possible to end up with a DECREASE in power. Always remember that a CAI MUST be in a place where it gets COLD AIR, not recirculated engine heat.

That's actually NOT a good installation. Everyone needs to remember that a CAI (Cold Air Intake) system depends heavily on proper installation to give you any gains at all in power. With improper installation (as in the picture above) it's actually quite possible to end up with a DECREASE in power. Always remember that a CAI MUST be in a place where it gets COLD AIR, not recirculated engine heat.

Kevin,

I'm getting tired of this. Go to Kurtz Kustomz Motorsports FAQ section and see their explanation of why they don't call it a 'cold air intake'.

http://www.kustomz.com/faq.html

If you're too lazy to click on it then here is their position on the CAI:

Q: Why is the True-Rev Induction system not labeled as a cold air kit.
A: Our Testing has shown underhood air temperatures when driving down the road to be a few degrees warmer than outside air . With these results, we do not feel it is necessary to put restrictions on incoming air to the filter, by placing costly shields or ducting in our induction systems which would cause more restrictions.

Now if you want to take up the product with them then I'd suggest you contact them. I'm in no way affiliated with KKM so I'm not taking sides other than reporting information about THEIR product.

The REAL answer to the question is because it does not provide a means of inducing a cold air stream to the engine. They can say all they want about it but CAI systems are well proven to produce verifiable power gains. To leave an air filter just sitting in the engine compartment, unprotected from hot engine recirc air, is ridiculous. And to make some lame statement trying to make excuses for it is even worse. If you don't see that, you don't understand much about what goes on under your hood.

So what do you propose for a CAI, have the thing sticking out from the hood??? The thing is as far away from the engine as possible and has the air flow coming through the grill. For you to come around and say that is not a good installation just shows your ignorance.

So what do you propose for a CAI, have the thing sticking out from the hood??? The thing is as far away from the engine as possible and has the air flow coming through the grill. For you to come around and say that is not a good installation just shows your ignorance.

THANK YOU! That's what I'm trying to say here. Kevin, you don't know anything about the LS and don't claim that you do. Stick with the Cadillac and stay away from the LS please. Also, if you could see right below where the filter is there is a huge hole where air is brought from underneath the car for "cool" air. Also, there are several LLSOC members that have routed a tube from the front of the air dam to the hole just below the filter to bring in the outside air. It's receiving much cooler air than the engine is bringing in so as far as your stupid comment that's I don't know what I'm talking about then definitely stick with your GM product. You don't know crap about a Ford product. :F

So what do you propose for a CAI, have the thing sticking out from the hood??? The thing is as far away from the engine as possible and has the air flow coming through the grill. For you to come around and say that is not a good installation just shows your ignorance.


Personally... I don't care what you people are doing to your LS'. But don't make comments like this unless you know what you are talking about. It does not matter how "far away from the engine" the filter is... it is still under the hood! Abient air temps ARE STILL THE SAME. As for the "air coming through the grill" statemnt you made.. take a closer look.. the ONLY air coming through the grill is actually the air passing through the radiator first, you know... the thing that pulls heat from the 200 degree coolant in your engine. The obvious solution to the problem is a heat shield. The heat shield will block most engine heat, and allow the filter to draw air from the hole in the fender, and the hole under the stock air box location.

Now, if you guys REALLY want me to, I could post screen shots from my OTC showing you the difference from stock IAT and open element IAT. Stock IAT is usually within 10 degrees of outside air.... open element (without a heatshield) can reach temperatures of over 160F!

Personally... I don't care what you people are doing to your LS'. But don't make comments like this unless you know what you are talking about. It does not matter how "far away from the engine" the filter is... it is still under the hood! Abient air temps ARE STILL THE SAME. As for the "air coming through the grill" statemnt you made.. take a closer look.. the ONLY air coming through the grill is actually the air passing through the radiator first, you know... the thing that pulls heat from the 200 degree coolant in your engine. The obvious solution to the problem is a heat shield. The heat shield will block most engine heat, and allow the filter to draw air from the hole in the fender, and the hole under the stock air box location.

Now, if you guys REALLY want me to, I could post screen shots from my OTC showing you the difference from stock IAT and open element IAT. Stock IAT is usually within 10 degrees of outside air.... open element (without a heatshield) can reach temperatures of over 160F!

We have been experimenting with an enclosed box for the filter and providing "ram" air to the box at our shop. See picture below:

http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/christy817/airbox6.jpg

We've taken temperature readings on the inside of the box and outside box on a 90+ degree day at idle and highway speeds. The temperature inside the engine away from the filter was much higher (around 190 degrees) and lower at the filter (around 130 degrees) without the box. We added the box and ran another trial and showed that with the enclosed box around the filter and forcing ram air the temp was constant around 100 degrees. That's pretty significant on a warm day this past summer. It is agreeable that the enclosed filter does show a decrease in temp.

Air coming through the grille isn't where fresh air is getting to the filter. It's the hole just below the filter where the factory air box use to sit. We have added a 3" flex hose from the lower air dam and routed it to the bottom of that hole to provide "ram" air so to speak to the filter. Very seldom does the filter area stay the same ambient temperature as the rest of the engine while the car is moving. I hope we all can agree on that statement.

thanks for clearing that up, but i still don't see why a show car needs such a nasty spoiler. While yes, you say it needs a spoiler and I now know why, why didn't they use one that works with the car? There are virtually hundreds, if not thousands, of spoilers to choose from. Find one that matches the car!

thanks for clearing that up, but i still don't see why a show car needs such a nasty spoiler. While yes, you say it needs a spoiler and I now know why, why didn't they use one that works with the car? There are virtually hundreds, if not thousands, of spoilers to choose from. Find one that matches the car!
it's not a show car - read - he is hoping to race it in the grand-am series.... THEY ALL HAVE THESE GOOFY SPOILERs.

We have been experimenting with an enclosed box for the filter and providing "ram" air to the box at our shop. See picture below:

http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/christy817/airbox6.jpg

We've taken temperature readings on the inside of the box and outside box on a 90+ degree day at idle and highway speeds. The temperature inside the engine away from the filter was much higher (around 190 degrees) and lower at the filter (around 130 degrees) without the box. We added the box and ran another trial and showed that with the enclosed box around the filter and forcing ram air the temp was constant around 100 degrees. That's pretty significant on a warm day this past summer. It is agreeable that the enclosed filter does show a decrease in temp.

Air coming through the grille isn't where fresh air is getting to the filter. It's the hole just below the filter where the factory air box use to sit. We have added a 3" flex hose from the lower air dam and routed it to the bottom of that hole to provide "ram" air so to speak to the filter. Very seldom does the filter area stay the same ambient temperature as the rest of the engine while the car is moving. I hope we all can agree on that statement.

Oh gee, why put a box around it? Why would you make the statements that you did to me and then turn around and basically prove my point in this post? Dude, you make no sense.
Oh and BTW, sorry I guess only GM cars have to deal with the laws of physics. :rolleyes:

Oh gee, why put a box around it? Why would you make the statements that you did to me and then turn around and basically prove my point in this post? Dude, you make no sense.
Oh and BTW, sorry I guess only GM cars have to deal with the laws of physics. :rolleyes:

I guess you'll never understand anything will you. We are trying to prove whether or not it makes sense to put a box around it. Hello! Re-read the post man.

I guess you'll never understand anything will you. We are trying to prove whether or not it makes sense to put a box around it. Hello! Re-read the post man.


From your post:
"...It is agreeable that the enclosed filter does show a decrease in temp..."

So what's so hard to figure out about this? I think you just like to argue. Every OEM in the WORLD isolates inlet air from engine compartment heat. Why do you suppose they do that?

From your post:
"...It is agreeable that the enclosed filter does show a decrease in temp..."

So what's so hard to figure out about this? I think you just like to argue. Every OEM in the WORLD isolates inlet air from engine compartment heat. Why do you suppose they do that?


Don't mean to call you out or anything, but I know that older neons with singe cam engines and 4.0 wranglers got air from right under the hood. They both had a flared snorkle coming right off of the air box. But i cant think of any others (fuel injected i mean).


Side note: I worked on a 00 LS yesterday that had spots on the hood, and roof with the paint eaten down to bare metal. I asked the customer what happened, he said vandals/battery acid. (didnt know battery acid would eat paint, i know its corrosive as $hit, but with paint? i think it was probably brake fluid... brake fluid will strip paint like its nothing). Anyways... i had a co-worker take a picture with his camera phone, ill try to post pics next time i get a chance.... it will make you LS owners cringe.

Don't mean to call you out or anything, but I know that older neons with singe cam engines and 4.0 wranglers got air from right under the hood. They both had a flared snorkle coming right off of the air box. But i cant think of any others (fuel injected i mean).


Side note: I worked on a 00 LS yesterday that had spots on the hood, and roof with the paint eaten down to bare metal. I asked the customer what happened, he said vandals/battery acid. (didnt know battery acid would eat paint, i know its corrosive as $hit, but with paint? i think it was probably brake fluid... brake fluid will strip paint like its nothing). Anyways... i had a co-worker take a picture with his camera phone, ill try to post pics next time i get a chance.... it will make you LS owners cringe.


Battery acid will eat anything, but glass. Afterall, it is sulfuric acid.

Battery acid will eat anything, but glass. Afterall, it is sulfuric acid.

It etches glass too.

Battery acid will eat anything, but glass. Afterall, it is sulfuric acid.

Well, the sulfuric acid also doesnt eat into the plastic case the battery is made of. And either will brake fluid. The cowling, and drivers headlight on the LS were deformed very badly, so it could have been something else.

The sulfuric acid in a lead acid batter is dilluted with water and is not nearly as strong as pure sulfuric acid. The sulfuric acid cant be too high in concentration of the reaction between the lead plate (anode) and the oxidized lead plate (cathode) will not happen properly.

Air coming through the grille isn't where fresh air is getting to the filter. It's the hole just below the filter where the factory air box use to sit. We have added a 3" flex hose from the lower air dam and routed it to the bottom of that hole to provide "ram" air so to speak to the filter. Very seldom does the filter area stay the same ambient temperature as the rest of the engine while the car is moving. I hope we all can agree on that statement.[/QUOTE]

Hey Gray - are you going to put this heat shield box on the LSK site? I don't have a custom shop and this is the main place I go to for ideas. Plus, what kind of tube is used to move the air from the lower dam? A plastic tube, pvc, steel.....?

Thanks.
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Air coming through the grille isn't where fresh air is getting to the filter. It's the hole just below the filter where the factory air box use to sit. We have added a 3" flex hose from the lower air dam and routed it to the bottom of that hole to provide "ram" air so to speak to the filter. Very seldom does the filter area stay the same ambient temperature as the rest of the engine while the car is moving. I hope we all can agree on that statement.

Hey Gray - are you going to put this heat shield box on the LSK site? I don't have a custom shop and this is the main place I go to for ideas. Plus, what kind of tube is used to move the air from the lower dam? A plastic tube, pvc, steel.....?

Thanks.
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I used some flex tubing from the lower grille to the inlet where the existing air box was. This has been working very well. As for the heat shield box, my partner in crime was working on it but he has since switched gears and is working on his two street rods. He may play around with it this summer. I'm still on him about it.

You can buy plastic 3" tubing for dirt cheap at home depot.
It fits perfectly (with some sweat) and didnt need to do anything to keep it in place in that oval hole. That should bring in much colder air than without it. BUT I think shield or enclosed box is must.
even with my setup, where I think Im bringing more air than just having a tube (Im sure all you know that I used the stock airbox for a scoop effect), air cone gets pretty hot. those of you who have KKM filters, next time you turn your engine off, touch the chrome metal part of KKM filter. It's pretty hot. so Im guessing that even with bringing outside air, temp gets pretty hot in the engine compartment. I definitely have to get a enclosed box made.
Im working on a template in my spare time and will make a plastic box (at local plastic store). if fitment is good, I'll let you all know.

Where did you put the scoop for more air? In front of the radiator or below the front bumper? I'm thinking of doing something like that this weekend.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showpost.php?p=68115&postcount=9

Where did you put the scoop for more air? In front of the radiator or below the front bumper? I'm thinking of doing something like that this weekend.

this is what I did. scoop is right next to driver side foglights. You would need to cut out the plastic that's surrounding the radiator. you'll know once you look under the car.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=6161&highlight=angel

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so I don't know if someone else said that your rollbar padding is too soft to offer any protection. You need to use the really hard, fire resistive padding.

this is what I did. scoop is right next to driver side foglights. You would need to cut out the plastic that's surrounding the radiator. you'll know once you look under the car.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=6161&highlight=angel

Did you use have to use a saw to cut through the plastic? And this mod looks permanent, I'd hate to try and resell the car with a gap like that near the radiator. Any ideas? I'd only sell the car to get a new model by the way. :L

Did you use have to use a saw to cut through the plastic? And this mod looks permanent, I'd hate to try and resell the car with a gap like that near the radiator. Any ideas? I'd only sell the car to get a new model by the way. :L


I used a dremel tool - cutout a nice round hole - you can always epoxy it back in later.

I used a dremel tool - cutout a nice round hole - you can always epoxy it back in later.

How did you get the air box behind the lower grill? Did you remove the bumper? I was thinking the plastic behind the grill needed to be cut off to slide the box in, not a just hole put in for the air hose.

nope - I just removed the plastic belly splash guard, IIRC there are 7 small screws and one push pin. Once it's off - you can reach up there no problem.

I then placed the box behind the grill, tie-wrapped it in - then ran the hose through the rad shield to the box.

nope - I just removed the plastic belly splash guard, IIRC there are 7 small screws and one push pin. Once it's off - you can reach up there no problem.

I then placed the box behind the grill, tie-wrapped it in - then ran the hose through the rad shield to the box.

sweet, thanks! :yourock:

guess im digg'n up bones but man I love the car even the Fin was thinking bout putting one on mine guess Im one of few I love the road racing look and grand am series cars this was exactly what I was looking for..:D

anyone know where i cna get those fender lips and bumper lips?? nand the rocker panels.. that is one hot ls

Heck, when was this released! Anyone have any pics of this '03 and up CAI installed?


dc

Yes, look at my gallery.

I have posted the photo before. I used down spout extension from Lowe's/Home Depot and ran it the same way as Quick LS. I have cleaned up the ends since photos were taken. Not pretty but works and is not that obvious.

Amazingly good look track car Marc, interesting seeing the 4 door LS setup for track. That spoiler is function over fashion; understand.

I tried looking for the Motorcity Speedcraft Aero Kit, but couldn't find anything. Must've been a one-time custom fabrication.

Oh, and holy dead thread revival...

OK heres one.

What if you ran that spouting into the baffle for the stock air box from the bumper grill?

Or, closed the spot on the air box where the baffle went into, drill or cut I guess you would say a hole into the bottom of the box and run the spouting into it like that?

And some FYI; That fender kit etc. is most likely made up of universal parts.

soon as i get a box for my filter I will have a custom ram air, I ante quite figured out how to post pictures so just check out my gallery and tell me what you think. thanks.

Alcon Grand Am GT brakes. Where did you get them!! I am in the market for a set of Big Brakes !!!

soon as i get a box for my filter I will have a custom ram air, I ante quite figured out how to post pictures so just check out my gallery and tell me what you think. thanks.

Click "Go Advanced" to bring up a more advanced posting method. Scroll down until you see a link that says "Click to Upload Photos"; click the link. Browse your comp until you find the pics you want to upload, then upload them. It will tell you the size limits for different file types and you might need to resize them before they will be uploaded. It's not too complicated.

Thank Im gonna try it hear goes, huh that was easy enough

nice ride, but not a fan of the wing... wing does not suit it at all..
other than that, love it.

Okay back to the $64K question Marc.
If you are going to race it in Grand Am, You are going to have to fit a manual trans right???

What trans are you fitting?????

oh ok...that thing is awesome...i dont mind the wing...although i feel i could have picked a nicer looking one, but it serves its purpose...the car is nicely done, i wonder what kind of tranny and engine it has...

Referring to photos of interior makes it clear that the car in question will never see a serious race track in that form. The roll bar padding is nice for getting in-n-out, to keep a head bump from hurting, but competition requires 'padding' that's so hard, you'd think it a plastic version of the steel tubing. In addition, the window net must be mounted to the inside of the roll cage. If the car were to lose a door entirely, and be sliding on its side, the net must keep all body parts from contact with the outside. This means all brackets must be mounted inside as well.

The five litre version of the AJ V-8 engine, used for road racing in England, makes 550 HP. That is what it takes to be competitive.
KenS from Ben's Place

Alcon Grand Am GT brakes. Where did you get them!! I am in the market for a set of Big Brakes !!!

look here http://www.lskoncepts.com/store/stoptech-big-brake-kit-p-125.php

Also, there are several LLSOC members that have routed a tube from the front of the air dam to the hole just below the filter to bring in the outside air. It's receiving much cooler air than the engine is bringing in :F

I am one of the many who have routed cool air to a KKM which I bought fom LSKONCEPTS. I have taken two Weapons R "Ram Air Kits", mounted them behind the lower grill and coupled them into one then routed the 3inch flex hose up through the hole in the inner fender well. I am receiving much cooler air than is present in the engine compartment and have noticeable and positive results. I recommend the product and supplier but suggest inclusion of either a heat shield; which can be purchased for as little as 9.95 or some version of Ram Air.

On a side note: it is unfortunate that civility is lost on some.

Another brake option, and options are always a good thing:

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9574/cnv0474ao5.jpg

I must admit I do not know what he is asking, but I'd bet it's competitive with the stoptech.