Why cant you just get rid of your mufflers completely on an LS? Or can you? Wouldnt running no mufflers at all be louder and more powerful than running mufflers? What are the positives and negatives to doing this? Any responses are greatly appreciated

Well it would definitely be louder

Some have gone with no mufflers, just keeping the resonators and others have gone with no resonators and just keeping the mufflers, but going with straight pipes and no mufflers or resonators at all would be a bit excessive in my opinion.

It's all a matter of taste and sound levels inside the cabin. I started up my LS V8 once with open pipes when I was installing my Magnaflow system and it was loud inside the car. Too loud for me, but maybe not for you.

The only other down-side is that you will lose some torque from the engine due to the lack of back pressure. So the best thing for you to do is to try it yourself and see if you like it. It would be a simple job to fab up some pipes and you won't hurt anything other than your ears. :D

I went with no resonators only and it sounds pretty good a lot like the 350z

OK, about exhaust systems......I haven't been able to find much out, but I only see magnaflow offered as an exhaust system for the LS V8 03-06. The Borla and B&B only seem to be available for 2000-02. I see nothing from other manufacturers. Is this correct?

Just order whatever mufflers you want and have a muffler shop weld you up something. I'll be doing that on mine very soon.

OK, about exhaust systems......I haven't been able to find much out, but I only see magnaflow offered as an exhaust system for the LS V8 03-06. The Borla and B&B only seem to be available for 2000-02. I see nothing from other manufacturers. Is this correct?

There is Magnaflow, Borla and B&B. They are available for '00-'02. They no longer make the Borla kit.

The Magnaflow you see for '03-'06 is not officially available yet. Only one person has it. T_Man is the lucky guinea pig for it!

Do any of the S Type Jaguar applications fit, i.e. does anyone know if the similarities of the chassis include the exhaust routing/fitment of a catback? I see a system that looks promising here:

http://www.jaguarxp.com/jagxp/Jaguar%20S-Type/Performance/Mina_gallexhaust%20system.htm

Or the Remus Mufflers.....tips here:

http://www.remus.at/php/index.php?cmd=cmdFrontendProducts&iProductMotor=122936

and the Remus mufflers on the Jag site link:

http://www.jaguarxp.com/jagxp/Jaguar%20S-Type/Performance/Remus%20exhaust%20system.htm

And in regards to price, you'll not catch me griping, if I can just find a decent system that can work I'll be happy.

Well now I must be the very first person to ever ask this question......I feel honored.......

................ahem, but have a feeling this is falling on deaf ears.


To hell with it, might as well buy the bleedin Jag exhaust and take my chances.

Rod.... I had to go look under an S-Type to be sure.

Just from eyeballing the exhaust, it looks very similar to the LS. But be aware that some modifications may have to be done to make it fit. The S-Type pipes may be a bit too short or too long, the mounting hangers may be off a little and the rear tips may exit in the wrong location.

So, is nothing a good muffler shop can't fix, but you still might be better off cost wise having a custom exhaust built to your own specifications.

If you go ahead with the S-Type exhaust on your LS, please be sure to let us all know how it goes.

I agree with TMAN, I got the magna flow when it was around a grand and I wish I would have gotten my own custom setup built. Single mufflers are not that expensive in some casses or most and the pipes can be done for a smalll price compared to when I dished out all that cash. Grant it the systems I got are really cheap now,I wasted money and its not that cool sounding, I would prefer a loud rumble this is just a low billowing tone. I want something that growls, sounds like a muscle car.

whats b&b?

B&B are in north Phoenix, they had a lot of listings for Porsche's and showed one for 2000-2003 Lincoln LS, but I think the 2003 was a typo. Can't remember what the B&B stands for off the top of my head.....they flat denied me an LS application when I asked......got the short answer like they wanted me to go away.....

Might try the Bassani component approach.....It's been suggested to me and I kind of 'like' Bassani.

A local shop (Bassani Dealer) tells me a system for the LS would be over 2 grand.......I'm not cheap but really now......

The Jag systems are looking better and better now.....

B&B = Billy Boat

Hee Heee Heeeee. Jag 'Mina' galleries exhaust is on the way for my '05 V8, will know about fitment in 'hopefully' about a week or so.

By the way, the Remus is likely another option but the only contact I could find was still for a Jag fitment and would take like 6 weeks to get, while it comes from mainland Europe (Austria I believe) and the supplier I talked to said not to count on much of a sound difference, power increase yes but it's supposedly very quiet. The Mina is supposedly a little louder when the throttle is tweaked.....

I've been watching for the delivery like a little kid....

make sure you post up pictures and a sound clip! I think this is a first as far as ive seen so kudos for going out on a limb.

make sure you post up pictures and a sound clip! I think this is a first as far as ive seen so kudos for going out on a limb.

I'll try, not sure on how to do a sound clip but will handle that when the time comes. I just need the bleedin thing to show up now......how long can it take to get this thing from Calif to Ariz? The mule must need frequent water stops......

May I be the first?


Why go to all this trouble, why not just get a custom fitment made to how you want it or how it should be with the Cats, and Mufflers from other Companies that are actually better.?


Save you money, and probably gain more as well.

Going with the most budget choice is full of compromise and if that needs to be explained to anyone I'll never convince you anyway.

My choice? I don't want the ONLY choice that seems to be out there as everyone will be on the magnaflow if not stock. I want my car to be uniquely mine and personalizing is my choice. Not sure why it has to be challenged anyway, I wasn't talking smack about anyone elses choice.

The custom made system is stainless, mandrel bent, with hangers in place, stainless polished mufflers researched properly for these cars and dyno'd for the 3.9/4.2 Jag V8's. I SERIOUSLY doubt a homemade budget system can come up with the same horsepower that one of these systems makes, let alone more. To prove a point, the Remus system is rated the same as the Mina and yet is as quiet as the stock system, that's R&D. However my choice is to make more sound than stock......

How can a f'in pipe be so low budget its a pipe, and you get the mufflers cheap no matter what cause they are just the mufflers not cause they are low budget. I wasnt talking smack your nuts I anit even explaining my self on this one. You obviously are haveing problems obtaining your wonder exhaust anyway. And what system these day arent mandrel bent and fully stainless? What do you compromise, the fact that you cant say I got something uniquely my own that I paid out the ass for and you didnt?

To prove a point, the Remus system is rated the same as the Mina and yet is as quiet as the stock system, that's R&D. However my choice is to make more sound than stock.....

I see no point beeing proven, all I said was get the pipes have them bent and find some good mufflers( BASICLY IN OTHER WORDS) not some overated garbage, wtf is good with Remus anyway No point is proven to me when you say Remus friend I hate Remus and they suck more than the Magnalow.

[QUOTE=Eliot_Ness_Ls;284530]............... And what system these day arent mandrel bent and fully stainless? ................QUOTE]

Custom shop made systems aren't........

Personally dude, you 'usually' (no, not always, but usually) get what you pay for. And I have a little experience on the subject having bought my first sports car over 3 decades ago......

As for the rest you win, I'm no good at this 'ripping' on each other. I'm just trying to show there's another choice out there and I'm going to try to report to others that might be interested on the experience. If they chose to not invest in my "over rated garbage" then they can take your advice and you can jump up and down with your fists in the air if you like. I'm just reporting on this particular mod and couldn't care less about you or yours. Calm down.

I wasnt trying to insult you the first post I made but you still think I am? What ever, and um 3 decades ago, since then alot of things have changed in standards today. Custom jobs are custom. They are made to how you like em, if a custom shop job isnt thats cause you didnt want it that way.You can pay out the ass for a flow master "SYSTEM" but around 100 bucks for the mufflers alone, so yes you get what you paid for think about it. DUH! Now if you get that exhaust cool let us now what its like, but I was just "REPORTING" on another way this could be done. Read my post to the subject and think hard, very hard and then realize what I was trying to get accross. After that I think you should then calm down.

And why the hell would I jump up and down with my hands in the air, its not like Ill gain anything.

Installed the Mina exhaust, posted info at:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=291306&posted=1#post291306

Look at those big ass tips....your right aaaaaahahahaha I am jumping up and down....and holding in from peeing my self.

Ok so I will congradulate you on doing this despite those big tips, its a great job and looks like a clean install despite those tips but thats what some of you guys like anyway. My question is does the tips make it sound like one of those imports with the big muffler tips? You say its quiet, but how quiet?

What you explain with the rest of the car beeing loud is what I had experienced with my Magnaflows. I hated it beeing so much louder than the mufflers and it supposed to be a Luxery car?

Its good seeing something different even tho we had our dissagreements.

Even with the K&N I can hear the exhaust inside the car with the windows up, however it's not loud. Hearing it from inside doesn't make it too loud. Just enough to hear the deep-ish rumble of the V8 and yet outside, even revving it up it's only marginally louder.....hearing it inside is exactly what I'd hoped for.

Some people like to find something to debate in everything......so opinions vary and that's what life's about, however there is no import coffee can look to the tips (oooooo, my, those 4" tips are soooooo big......oooooo), someone's looking for something to create a conflict about again.

Its nothing about conflict stupid, I said they were big and they are big...they look bigger than that stupid but all I wanted to say besides how stupid those tips look good job.

Oh, I forgot the fact that you only take compliments into standing conflict stupid.

Im sorry.

Hey Rode,
Exhaust looks nice. I like the look on the inside of the tips. Good Choice!

Its nothing about conflict stupid, I said they were big and they are big...they look bigger than that stupid but all I wanted to say besides how stupid those tips look good job.

Oh, I forgot the fact that you only take compliments into standing conflict stupid.

Im sorry.

Relax, LSVIP......errrrrr Eliot.

What is your deal fgt? Prove it to me and the rest of us FGT.

I dont know what your problem is but its a serious one, can you prove that I am this person that you hate so much. And for what reason do you keep on saying this FGT? Whats your point what did I do to you? Nothing idiot so why act like such a prick?

You are so :q:q:q:qing useless, all you do is bash and critizise me just leave me the :q:q:q:q alone.

And yet you talk about people with no life but all you are here for is to act like you are so much beter than everyone else you cant even get the opportunity to meet.

That last reply right there is all the proof we need.

Eliot.. Don't cry.. It will be ok.

And if you, or anyone else would like to compare writing styles, see this thread:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=31048

Eliot.. I thought you said you hated Magnaflows and they suck, etc.. etc..

So why does this post from you saying you have mags?
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=291348#post291348

What does that honestly prove? Nothing! get over it, there will be other new guys here for you to show off to and treat like crap so leave me be. I have seen so many people that have poor typeing skills but I guess that means that we are all the same person? you sound like such a little bitch NYC, I bet thats all you are to.

:q:q:q:q you to Nick what good are you nothing but you dont see me talking :q:q:q:q no I just leave you alone. I hate you, your car and your post sound like you have this pedastool thats 50 feet higher than everyone else when realy your probably just some FGT just like NYC a FGT nerd..http://a709.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_b75935c0371c9a4c8b45ecee3ce4edec.jpg

OOOOhh boy look at those :q:q:q:qing mirrors....http://a112.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/33/l_b5ba67a53106eaba5e24fa1ab6f40407.jpg Look at that beat ass grille to..loser!

I'm an hour from Whitehall if you'd care to find out.

Eliot.. I thought you said you hated Magnaflows and they suck, etc.. etc..

So why does this post from you saying you have mags?
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=291348#post291348

If you read the post right..and since you seem to follow my threads like such a creepy forum stalker youll understand that I had them and since that I got a new set up. Jack ass.

Why do you think I like the sound of the Hush power 2's.

Where the :q:q:q:q is that FGT? Im in Delaware! Why dont you get it. But hey I would love to meat up with yah.

Boogady Boogady BOO!!

The stalker's after you.


hahahahhaa... You make me laugh little one.

I thought you were soooo against magnaflow.. and look at you now..

Look at me now idiot so what? Would I have a reason to be against it if I didnt experience it? No, so tell me what is your point.

I know your not laughing I know you are probably so damn red in the face it hurts you cause it realy does hurt pathetic slobs like you when your wrong.

hahaha... nope.. no red face.. Just funny to read about someone talk so much smack about something, and then end up switchin to it...

Na... I'm not mad... Just laughin.. Make me laugh some more funny man.

I don't hold my car on a pedestal.. There are tons of cars way better than mine here... But then again, people here can actually see my car and the mods I've done..

All you have is smack talk and some lame excuse of not being able to afford taking pictures of yours...

I finaly got a camera ass hole I have bills to pay a car to take care of, rent to pay and children that act better than you and other things to spend my spare time on what the hell kind of lame excuse is that huh. The fact that I had all these responsabillities before I felt I needed a camera to please you is good enough. Open your eyes stupid in this thread a few posts back I posted some pics I got with a camera I just got to prove you wrong.

FGT's like you keep saying that I am this person you have such a grudge with but you still cant prove that I am him can you? NO! cause get over it the fact is IM not him.


YOU STILL CANT ADMIT IT CAN YOU, you are wrong. Even in the posts you made where you were wrong you never could admit it either so what do I expect, nothing thats why I dont bother "you".

You must be a little bitch to if you cant stand someone knocking down a company you have no affiliation with at all. Whats with that huh?

You talk so much sht to me just cause I didnt like Magnaflow.... grow up!

"can't we all just get along"

brendanls in the LVC we can get along but here in the LS room there is a "SELECT FEW" that are just straight losers and cant cope with reality even tho they may have a nice car, and some of these people do. But there is something missing in these select fews lives...


I bet the admin will be prety upset when they find that someone uses this site to breach peoples PC's to..... Dont worry NYC Im sure Verizon wont mind it..

Eliot.. No harm done.. I'm just pissin you off just to piss you off, I'm a really cool down to earth guy.. No reason to cry.

:)

I'll leave you alone..

I apologize.. We cool now? Bickering back and forth does get old. Handshake?

See again you just have to leave in a note of you actual mantality, what ever im not crying bud.

But lets see if you hold your word this time?

how come whenever an exhuast post comes up everyone argues.

who cares honestly. if it makes you happy and you have the means....then do it....its your car

but im in jersey so if you guys in ny and eliot want to meet half way and settle this like real men.....ill be more than happy to bring popcorn and soda

All I have to do is take the Cape Ferry and Im almost there. Ill bring the goods Glanga you dont have to worry, I can even bring the item you want to buy and a few lawn chairs if hes gunna make a threat....

( which by the way sounds like the most immature stupid thing to say over the internet. Do you threaten little kids on the chat rooms like this, did you need to mail letters to all your neighbores stateing you commited a certain felony crime with the use of the internet? How would your parole board feel about you haveing the ability to go on the internet dont they restrict you from these things?)....

I never been on the ferry kinda funny using one to meat up with one. (Not glanga of course)

I just hope it now goes on record that there's another brand of exhaust out there that works.....it may not be for everyone but at least it widens the options a little bit. As for the previous bunch of posts, :-) quite entertaining reading! I'm sorry if I started something, it wasn't the intent when I decided to post on the Mina system.

One thing I will say that does not support my case (I don't believe in hiding info) and that's getting the system was handled very poorly by Jaguar XP, it could have been circumstance but the fact is I did not like their customer service at all and would hesitate using this retailer if I had it to do again.

All I have to do is take the Cape Ferry and Im almost there. Ill bring the goods Glanga you dont have to worry, I can even bring the item you want to buy and a few lawn chairs if hes gunna make a threat....

( which by the way sounds like the most immature stupid thing to say over the internet. Do you threaten little kids on the chat rooms like this, did you need to mail letters to all your neighbores stateing you commited a certain felony crime with the use of the internet? How would your parole board feel about you haveing the ability to go on the internet dont they restrict you from these things?)....

I never been on the ferry kinda funny using one to meat up with one. (Not glanga of course)

the lewes?

As I stated dude good job and nice find, you are right its not for all of us but I wish you hadent taken my first post to this subject the way you had, it was not intended that way.

Yes Glanga, the Lewes ferry.

For the sake of anyone looking here and missing my other post on this subject, a couple pics of how the Mina Jag exhaust turned out. It is definitely as loud as some of the sound clips I've heard posted of LS V8's. Not too loud, but clearly upgraded. It was kind of muffled and quiet when new, now that I have about 1K on it, it's not only a rumble now, it's nice!!! I was sitting in the stealership waiting for it to be brought out for pick up (after a disappointing visit for the stereo and the overheating issue when in sport shift mode), and when it pulled up, just by ear it was clearly not a stock LS exhaust.....

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4673/cnv0607px6.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2639/cnv0603dx3.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1817/cnv0606ji5.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7572/cnv0605jn4.jpg

Just Currious On About How Much This Cost You To Get Done Out The Door? Have You Gotten It Dynoed Or Are You To Tune It And See Your Hp And Torque Gain? If You Have What The The Gain ?

First, I'm not a dyno person. Can't really answer why, just seems a waste of a day unless you have a very complex system of upgrades that need tuning or you need to keep track of a long list of hop ups. I have intake and exhaust and I'm going to be adding one thing more, the SCT tune only so I can get rid of the top speed limiter. It could be nice I suppose to quote 'a number' but since I feel the seat of the pants improvements, and like the improved look, like knowing that a more open exhaust is good for more hp, and LOVE the way it sounds, I don't need a dyno. Jag XP said it was good for 10-12 hp on the Jags, so it's good for 'some' hp, just like the K&N was good for 'some' HP, and HP I can feel in improved performance.

The Mina was $850 give or take and I got a bit of a refund due to a snafu with shipping. Add in the install cost and I have just over $900 in it. Could do better with a bunch of different components thrown together, could do worse with a Bassani that I was quoted over 2grand for. I am VERY pleased with this product and find the result to be value added.