well racing a new 05 Mercedez 5.0 v8 on my way home, which i smoked, and the owner PULLED me over,to shake my hand :) lil sketchy !?. I hit 149 in my car AGAIN.... Does anybody know how to disengage the speed limiter. Is it a fuel cutoff or what. Not that there are too many places to go that fast in cali but....oh and whats up with my lil v8 spewin smoke at that speed. My mechanic said at that speed theres barely any weight on the motor so its pushin MAX HP, Is it true, blow by just sucks...Let me know...
The LS's recent meals~~~~~05 Mercedes (5.0 V8), Cadillac CTS (really slow), SRT-4 gave me a run for my money...surprise dodge still lost!,Impala 454 SS close call neck and neck, i started pulling hard on him at about 135-140, New Pontiac GTO, i made sure i waived to him as i passed. Oh and dont forget the couple Mustang GT's.
Email me about performance parts...Venture Motorsports

Very nice list. I wish I could get next to someonelike you! No one dares to take it that high here. Even though I havnt needed to take it that high. . .

Venture, What aftermarket parts are on your car?

10-1 the limiter is built into the computer

Venture, What aftermarket parts are on your car?
K&N,denso iridium plugs (-2 heat ranges), VENTURE Motorsports (my company) custom cat back exhaust system,springtech springs and 255/45/17 tires.

Very nice list. I wish I could get next to someonelike you! No one dares to take it that high here. Even though I havnt needed to take it that high. . .
its funny cuz the guy in the mrecedes thought i was pushin nos, when i pulled over he looked in my engine bay,trunk,and under my seats...he was pissed cuz hi 05 merced got stomped on !!

its funny cuz the guy in the mrecedes thought i was pushin nos, when i pulled over he looked in my engine bay,trunk,and under my seats...he was pissed cuz hi 05 merced got stomped on !!

If I bought the same. I would be pissed. . .

K&N,denso iridium plugs (-2 heat ranges), VENTURE Motorsports (my company) custom cat back exhaust system,springtech springs and 255/45/17 tires.
pre - 02 did not have a limiter built-in (which is 133) they hit between 143 and 147 (radared not speedo) and simply run out of umhf.

using plugs that "cold" on a na application isn't the greatest idea

using plugs that "cold" on a na application isn't the greatest idea


:iconcur: Absolutely no reason for colder plugs on the LS. Maybe 1 colder if you were spraying NO2 constantly. I ran 7psi on 93 octane with no problem, no knock. And im sure that the thick layer of carbon on those plugs is just making spark even better.

Burn, I think he can feel it. . .

pre - 02 did not have a limiter built-in (which is 133) they hit between 143 and 147 (radared not speedo) and simply run out of umhf.
well when i hit 149 something kills the motor so? i dont know.

:iconcur: Absolutely no reason for colder plugs on the LS. Maybe 1 colder if you were spraying NO2 constantly. I ran 7psi on 93 octane with no problem, no knock. And im sure that the thick layer of carbon on those plugs is just making spark even better.
>I appreciate your response. the way it was explained to me was, if I run
>colder plugs, the plugs do not retain as much heat. With a cooler plugs,
>the combustion cycle is not as complete. With an uncomplete combustion
>cycle there is more gas left over, there by cooling the engine with the
>unburned fuel. im sure the motors 10.55:1 is burnin alright.
justin

eh thats one way to look at it, but the gains (if any) are nothing that would be noticed...you'll run into problems with the wrong plugs in the engine, more along the lines of plug life. If you want to control a/f ratio and inturn, burn quality, you certainly don't want to do it with a plug change. You'll find (though rare) engines that run a carb that can't get even burn distribution cylinder to cylinder that would be canidates for using different heat range plugs to tailer burn (per cylinder)...but this is totally different.

there are 3 factors that can/will limit your top speed
hp, it takes hp to keep an object accelorating
rev limit, if you can't build revs you can't increase speed excede XXXX rpm in any gear and the eec pulls spark (they used to pull fuel back in the eec4 days)
absolute speed limit, pass a certain rpm in X gear and the eec pulls spark at random

Whats wrong with 149mph? why on Earth would you want to travel more than 2x the legal speed limit on public roads?

Statement # 1
(Cars you say you beat in a race)
The LS's recent meals~~~~~05 Mercedes (5.0 V8), Cadillac CTS (really slow), SRT-4 gave me a run for my money...surprise dodge still lost!,Impala 454 SS close call neck and neck, i started pulling hard on him at about 135-140, New Pontiac GTO, i made sure i waived to him as i passed. Oh and dont forget the couple Mustang GT's.
Email me about performance parts...Venture Motorsports

Statement # 2
(list of mods)
K&N,denso iridium plugs (-2 heat ranges), VENTURE Motorsports (my company) custom cat back exhaust system,springtech springs and 255/45/17 tires.

Question # 1
Did any of these people KNOW they were racing?
I understand you love your car and all but I gotta say..... :bsflag:

An LS with that list of mods doesn't stand a chance in HELL of even competing with the cars you list let alone BEATING them.

On the street anyone is game. . .

Statement # 1
(Cars you say you beat in a race)
The LS's recent meals~~~~~05 Mercedes (5.0 V8), Cadillac CTS (really slow), SRT-4 gave me a run for my money...surprise dodge still lost!,Impala 454 SS close call neck and neck, i started pulling hard on him at about 135-140, New Pontiac GTO, i made sure i waived to him as i passed. Oh and dont forget the couple Mustang GT's.
Email me about performance parts...Venture Motorsports

Statement # 2
(list of mods)
K&N,denso iridium plugs (-2 heat ranges), VENTURE Motorsports (my company) custom cat back exhaust system,springtech springs and 255/45/17 tires.

Question # 1
Did any of these people KNOW they were racing?
I understand you love your car and all but I gotta say..... :bsflag:

An LS with that list of mods doesn't stand a chance in HELL of even competing with the cars you list let alone BEATING them.

RE: your quote~~~Let me just say for future reference, [SIZE=4be very selective with your comments. Dont step over the line. Plain and simple.!
Your little quote "An LS with that list of mods doesn't stand a chance in HELL of even competing with the cars you list let alone BEATING them"
Makes me want to break :q:q:q:q! Im tired of the LS getting NO RESPECT.
You dont know, so it makes you skeptical.
Caddy driver !

RE: your "Question #1"
Of course, it doesnt take a genious to figure it out. growing up in cali you just know. Next

I KNOW i dont have the fastest car in the world, by any means. But it moves on the freeway.Just chillin in 4th @ 105 and some fool pulls up, keep it in 4th.
To all the LS owners: Dont ever let a caddy driver tell YOU whats up, cuz thats b/s
:headbang:

i think i have to agree with Katshot. that car at best can run low 15's-high 14's in the 1/4, can't say about the top speed. i have FORD blue running through my veins, so there can't be any bias talk about me. don't get me wrong, i think the LS is a very nice car, and i have driven them at a Motor Trend event, on a track. :L

RE: your quote~~~Let me just say for future reference, [SIZE=4be very selective with your comments. Dont step over the line. Plain and simple.!
Your little quote "An LS with that list of mods doesn't stand a chance in HELL of even competing with the cars you list let alone BEATING them"
Makes me want to break :q:q:q:q! Im tired of the LS getting NO RESPECT.
You dont know, so it makes you skeptical.
Caddy driver !

RE: your "Question #1"
Of course, it doesnt take a genious to figure it out. growing up in cali you just know. Next

I KNOW i dont have the fastest car in the world, by any means. But it moves on the freeway.Just chillin in 4th @ 105 and some fool pulls up, keep it in 4th.
To all the LS owners: Dont ever let a caddy driver tell YOU whats up, cuz thats b/s
:headbang:

Dude, you're comments are laughable (the ones I could understand anyway). I had to read your post a couple times to decifer them and I'm STILL not sure WHAT you wanted to break but be that as it may, I assure you that it would take quite a bit of luck for you to pull off anything remotely considered a victory against ANY of the cars you listed.
I too, like the LS but it is anything but a racecar. Enjoy your car for what it is, a nice looking, classy ride. If you ever really want to race, pick on something more your speed. There's plenty of 15 second cars out there to play with. Just don't expect me to swallow your daydreams.
Oh, and BTW, anytime you want a "Caddy driver" to show you "what's up", bring that LS to my area of the country and I'll take you to school. Hell, a STOCK STS or ETC would spank your LS.

Oh, and BTW, anytime you want a "Caddy driver" to show you "what's up", bring that LS to my area of the country and I'll take you to school. Hell, a STOCK STS or ETC would spank your LS.

What a stupid comment!

What a stupid comment!

I was just responding to his "Caddy driver" statements that were obviously meant to enrage me. Come on, give me a break.
It would sure be nice if these kind of forums weren't populated by BS artists.

I will run my hotrod lincoln against your caddy and that LS :N :bow:

It would sure be nice if these kind of forums weren't populated by BS artists.

Exactly!

Yep, we definitely all need to get together at a national meet and do a little grudge racing. We got the keyboard race thing down, now we need a "run what you brung" event.

The Caddies are no slouches, that's for sure. And there are a couple of bad Lincoln rides out there too.

LvC..Let's get it on!

No doubt. But the fact is that "stock" for "stock", a 4.6 Northstar Cadillac will beat up on a 4.6 Lincoln. Once you start modding the cars, ANYTHING can happen. The guy's comments about the cars he beat with a basically stock LS were ludicrous, and when he started making what was basically a personal attack (Caddy drivers) he only helped to ruin whatever credibility he had as far as I'm concerned.
I realize MY car isn't any "racecar" but it's more than a match for any marginally modded (read: naturally aspirated, bolt-on mods, no engine mods, no juice) Lincoln. Hell, I have a fairly quick MKVII but I wouldn't dilude myself about it's performance.
I agree that a track day would be fun.

I doubt you want to travel to Iowa just to race, but we have 3-4 track days for my site every year...they're geared toward fomoco stuff yet anyone is welcome to attend and race

I doubt you want to travel to Iowa just to race, but we have 3-4 track days for my site every year...they're geared toward fomoco stuff yet anyone is welcome to attend and race

Yeah, you're right. I like to stay local, especially if I'm racing.

Dude, you're comments are laughable (the ones I could understand anyway). I had to read your post a couple times to decifer them and I'm STILL not sure WHAT you wanted to break but be that as it may, I assure you that it would take quite a bit of luck for you to pull off anything remotely considered a victory against ANY of the cars you listed.
I too, like the LS but it is anything but a racecar. Enjoy your car for what it is, a nice looking, classy ride. If you ever really want to race, pick on something more your speed. There's plenty of 15 second cars out there to play with. Just don't expect me to swallow your daydreams.
Oh, and BTW, anytime you want a "Caddy driver" to show you "what's up", bring that LS to my area of the country and I'll take you to school. Hell, a STOCK STS or ETC would spank your LS.
If anyone was to read my original post. i never stated i raced these cars in a 1/4 mile. Im a commuter and most races hapen on the freeway. So TRY AGAIN. "BTW" hell would freeze over b4 you "schooled" me in your 4300 pound BOAT!

1/4 mile or no, you're WAY out of your league. I think you're probably mistaken about those cars racing you. And as far as me schooling you with my "4300 pound boat", get it right, it's more like 4500 pounds! And I'll STILL have no problem dusting your LS from any speed.

1/4 mile or no, you're WAY out of your league. I think you're probably mistaken about those cars racing you. And as far as me schooling you with my "4300 pound boat", get it right, it's more like 4500 pounds! And I'll STILL have no problem dusting your LS from any speed.


:I Well, lets put it this way: I OWN an LS, and I won't even talk it up like that. A buddy of mine with an 03 Acura RSX- Type S stick with me from a dead stop all the way to about 70... Then that six speed trans of his helps him pull to about 2 car lengths on me by the time we are at 120ish. Yep, a 2 litre 4 banger. It took me a custom exhasut and intake to keep up with him, but he still pulls when we get closer to 100. There simply isn't enough low end power in the LS to get a good launch. On the E-way, as you said, it is a different story, the LS has a decent amount of power on tap when it is already moving, i've had my share of audi's, bimmers, and mercedes that think thier lux is better than mine, and i proved them wrong. However, THEY need to know that you wan't to prove this to them. When you fly past them and then they mash it, it doesn't quite count.

:I Well, lets put it this way: I OWN an LS, and I won't even talk it up like that. A buddy of mine with an 03 Acura RSX- Type S stick with me from a dead stop all the way to about 70... Then that six speed trans of his helps him pull to about 2 car lengths on me by the time we are at 120ish. Yep, a 2 litre 4 banger. It took me a custom exhasut and intake to keep up with him, but he still pulls when we get closer to 100. There simply isn't enough low end power in the LS to get a good launch. On the E-way, as you said, it is a different story, the LS has a decent amount of power on tap when it is already moving, i've had my share of audi's, bimmers, and mercedes that think thier lux is better than mine, and i proved them wrong. However, THEY need to know that you wan't to prove this to them. When you fly past them and then they mash it, it doesn't quite count.


Exactly. :I

No doubt. But the fact is that "stock" for "stock", a 4.6 Northstar Cadillac will beat up on a 4.6 Lincoln. Once you start modding the cars, ANYTHING can happen. The guy's comments about the cars he beat with a basically stock LS were ludicrous, and when he started making what was basically a personal attack (Caddy drivers) he only helped to ruin whatever credibility he had as far as I'm concerned.
I realize MY car isn't any "racecar" but it's more than a match for any marginally modded (read: naturally aspirated, bolt-on mods, no engine mods, no juice) Lincoln. Hell, I have a fairly quick MKVII but I wouldn't dilude myself about it's performance.
I agree that a track day would be fun.



Okay, you had me on your side for a minute.I agree with the BS flag.
But I HAVE raced stock MarkVIIIs with stock Caddies and while they are close races the Lincoln pulls a car or two once it hits third gear.EVERYTIME

And I know how much faster a stock Mark is compared to a stock LS, thats why I agree with the BS flag.

Okay, you had me on your side for a minute.I agree with the BS flag.
But I HAVE raced stock MarkVIIIs with stock Caddies and while they are close races the Lincoln pulls a car or two once it hits third gear.EVERYTIME

And I know how much faster a stock Mark is compared to a stock LS, thats why I agree with the BS flag.


You're right. The LS is way slower than the MKVIII but I still have yet to see a stock MKVIII get into the 14's at the track, and that is usually fairly common with STSs and ETCs. High 14's but that's still into the 14's. I haven't tried to look up any test results online to verify my claims, maybe you have? I was making a purely "subjective" call on this one. If the MKVIII is a 14 second car stock, let me know. I just haven't actually seen one break under the 15 sec. mark.

Okay, you had me on your side for a minute.I agree with the BS flag.
But I HAVE raced stock MarkVIIIs with stock Caddies and while they are close races the Lincoln pulls a car or two once it hits third gear.EVERYTIME

And I know how much faster a stock Mark is compared to a stock LS, thats why I agree with the BS flag.

I agree... I raced an older gentleman (my buddy's landlord) last year in his 98 El Dorado (he has approx 40K on the clock) against my 1993 mark VIII (80K or so miles). We ran 'em 3 or 4 times (twice from a dead dig and twice from a roll) and I spanked 'em every time by atleast 3 cars.

The guy was all looking under my hood for a blower afterwords lol.

here is a time slip from when my lincoln was 110% bone stock... right down to the old spark plugs, clogged fuel filter and crusy air cleaner (even had the intake resonator still in it)
http://members.tccoa.com/ricekiller/Timeslip_1499.jpg

:L

BTW... I believe nickT's mark VIII hit a 14.6 stock aswell :)

I really really need to add my .02, maybe even a $1.99, but, and please, please, don't get me wrong, I love my Lincoln, and I mean :L

but *sigh* ... has anyone asked, "How long did it take you to get to 149? How fast were you going when you started?"

I'm a Long Island boy, and I'll race anyone, and there are some hiways out here, that California DREAMS of owning on their map. 149? *yawn* I've been radared, arrested, and let go at higher speeds in my 83 Pontiac. (Not Stock obviously)

I've always been a Chevy guy as well. :C and my 83 Grand Prix at any rate, would take either of my two cars in the signature below, to the point where I'd insult myself, (350, 400 crank/cam, roller, blah blah blah, 383 Stroker 500+ hp...) My Grand Prix actually cracks my tail lights when I take off from a stand still (Anyone know how to resolve that?)

But I just don't see a new LS eating those cars... forgive my ignorance but don't those new LS's have that electronic throttle, where there's not even a "cable?" .... Never trust a computer...

Wow I totally ranted.

Okay, shoot me for 8/1000th of a second. ;)

You may have beaten up on a Caddy as you say but I've seen STSs at the track running high 14's as well and I've even seen them in magazines running 14.6's and 14.7's so I guess you just happened to find a slow Eldorado. What are some published ET's of the MKVIII?

Okay, shoot me for 8/1000th of a second. ;)

You may have beaten up on a Caddy as you say but I've seen STSs at the track running high 14's as well and I've even seen them in magazines running 14.6's and 14.7's so I guess you just happened to find a slow Eldorado. What are some published ET's of the MKVIII?
The Eldo probably had like 150k city miles on it. I would LOVE to rip a Northstart 4.6 out and throw it in front drive 90 Grand Prix... I would scare people.

Okay, shoot me for 8/1000th of a second. ;)

lol, hey... 14's are 14's :D

plus I'm sure with a better driver, it could have hit better numbers. I went when first bought the car and it was my first time at a track

still not sure why lincoln didn't put steeper gears in these things though :(

edit: not sure on published et's on the car. all depends on where ya look I guess. then again, you can never really trust those numbers IMHO. I've read alot of biased articles before.

lol, hey... 14's are 14's :D

plus I'm sure with a better driver, it could have hit better numbers. I went when first bought the car and it was my first time at a track

still not sure why lincoln didn't put steeper gears in these things though :(

edit: not sure on published et's on the car. all depends on where ya look I guess. then again, you can never really trust those numbers IMHO. I've read alot of biased articles before.
Gears: Cuz it's a Luxury car at heart... 30 mpg at 65-75 is the key here. ;)

Unfortunately, that's what you get when you put an engine designed for a manual trans in a heavy car with an automatic. Believe me, I know what you mean. My Aviator is stuck with the same problem. And don't even get me on the subject of how stupid it was to use that engine in the Marauder! :Bang
Hey Ford, Listen up!
Big cars with automatics need engines with bottom-end torque!

There are stock MarkVIIIS all over the country running DEEP into the 14s.

Ive seen timeslips as low as 14.6 but I THINK there are a couple even faster.BONE STOCK

Are we still arguing over time slips...? I'll go do 14.x this weekend and scan my slip... this is, as Americans, what we shoot for? 14.x seconds in a Car? My daily driver Mark VIII better be a 14 second car otherwise you'll see it for sale... Anybody got some C(n)H(2n+1)OH laying around? 14 seconds... 149mph+ top speed woohoo, my stereo is louder than yours :P

Check Please.

Oh we all forgot something. Caddy 4.6 is Front Drive, Lincoln Cobra 4.6 is Rear Drive... who's got the ratio #s at hand? How about Torque? Can we rip the two 4.6s out of the cars, hang 'em on a mount and see who produces more?

Are we still arguing over time slips...? I'll go do 14.x this weekend and scan my slip... this is, as Americans, what we shoot for? 14.x seconds in a Car? My daily driver Mark VIII better be a 14 second car otherwise you'll see it for sale... Anybody got some C(n)H(2n+1)OH laying around? 14 seconds... 149mph+ top speed woohoo, my stereo is louder than yours :P

Check Please.

Oh we all forgot something. Caddy 4.6 is Front Drive, Lincoln Cobra 4.6 is Rear Drive... who's got the ratio #s at hand? How about Torque? Can we rip the two 4.6s out of the cars, hang 'em on a mount and see who produces more?

I don't think we have to worry about doing that. We already know the Northstar is more powerful. And as for the other stuff mentioned, it sounds like you tried to drink that stuff you inserted the formula for. Shouldn't do that, not healthy. ;)

the motor in the M8 is not a cobra motor. it is a DOHC like the cobra. in the lincoln, it is rated at (depending on year and if it is an LSC) 275-290. if i am right, the northstar(also depending on year) was about 275-300. i am sure the torque rating is about the same, but i think the M8 is about 300lb/ft. i can't say i know the 1/4 times on either, but i have been in both. and to me, the M8 feels faster. my uncle has a caddy(not sure which one, but it is equal to the M8) with the northstar. it did feel pretty dam quick, but M8 felt faster. i worked for ford for 11 years(at a F-L-M dealer), i have been around them. i do know that Ford Motorsports put a computer without a speed limiter on a (i think) 1997-98 M8, and they claimed a top speed of 180 on the salt flats. i love the M8's. :L

Got to Love them both....
Like fine women, no two the same...yet...Oh lets not go there!

Exactly. :I
the mercedes i raced 3X. all starting at about 90-105mph = about 4300 rpm (MAX torque) climbing all the way to 149 MPH =6500 MAx HP. He was pissed and REALLY wanted me to pull over. his attitude kinda reminds me of all of YOU. he thought i shot NOs on him, i didnt. he looked in my trunk under my hood and seats. And was distrout. Shook my hand and siad he was impressed. Its a true story, the ONLY one whoever gave me props on my car. This was an 05 Mercedes with the 5.0 V8!
I have 85K on my motor and its a champ. the exhaust i designed :dual 2.5" no resonator,dynomax ultraflow exhaust adds a grip of power. Can anyone else chirp 2nd in SST with 255/45 17's? PLEASE id like to know!
I dont really care if ANYONE believes me or not. Im not here to bull :q:q:q:q. Anyone that wants to try me, let me know. My Ls will love to send you home crying.! Ill just start carrying my video cam with me and make a DVD, If thats waht it takes...

the mercedes i raced 3X. all starting at about 90-105mph = about 4300 rpm (MAX torque) climbing all the way to 149 MPH =6500 MAx HP. He was pissed and REALLY wanted me to pull over. his attitude kinda reminds me of all of YOU. he thought i shot NOs on him, i didnt. he looked in my trunk under my hood and seats. And was distrout. Shook my hand and siad he was impressed. Its a true story, the ONLY one whoever gave me props on my car. This was an 05 Mercedes with the 5.0 V8!
I have 85K on my motor and its a champ. the exhaust i designed :dual 2.5" no resonator,dynomax ultraflow exhaust adds a grip of power. Can anyone else chirp 2nd in SST with 255/45 17's? PLEASE id like to know!
I dont really care if ANYONE believes me or not. Im not here to bull :q:q:q:q. Anyone that wants to try me, let me know. My Ls will love to send you home crying.! Ill just start carrying my video cam with me and make a DVD, If thats waht it takes...


Wow, this thread needs to end.

1: If you are going to brag/boast in a forum like this, expect scepticism. Thats what it's all about, and all you need to do is back yourself up. No one here is out to make you look like an ass.

2: The LS isn't a rocket, and wont ever be with that drivtrain. You are limited on mods for the 3.9 (intake/exhasut...big deal), the trans is slow, and you have no options for the rear above 3.58. Change any of these drivetrain parts (I.E. different rear, man. trans, different engine) and it really isn't an LS anymore. 14.9-15 seconds just isn't impressive.

3: Had great results with my turbo LS, and am in the works of doing a more dependable (and intercooled) set up. (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=1319)
This is how far I felt I had to go to make the LS worthy of any bragging rights.


Now can we end this thread?

Wow, this thread needs to end.

1: If you are going to brag/boast in a forum like this, expect scepticism. Thats what it's all about, and all you need to do is back yourself up. No one here is out to make you look like an ass.

2: The LS isn't a rocket, and wont ever be with that drivtrain. You are limited on mods for the 3.9 (intake/exhasut...big deal), the trans is slow, and you have no options for the rear above 3.58. Change any of these drivetrain parts (I.E. different rear, man. trans, different engine) and it really isn't an LS anymore. 14.9-15 seconds just isn't impressive.

3: Had great results with my turbo LS, and am in the works of doing a more dependable (and intercooled) set up. (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=1319)
This is how far I felt I had to go to make the LS worthy of any bragging rights.


Now can we end this thread?


Agreed, end it. I've never posted before, and this guy's ignorance and stupidity made me post. It didn't happen. don't lie. Peiod end of story. I own an 01 Ls V8. I love it. But it will hardly do 140 downhill, and it surley takes a long time to get there. I really don't see you rolling a 5.0L V8 Mercedes on the highway, what kind of mercedes was it? Nevermind, don't even answer. It makes no differnce. The moral of the story is, just stop, don't post BS>

Mike

Just a quick little comment here.

We don't "end" [read: delete or lock] threads here on this site if we can avoid it and only as a last resort. One of the reasons the site was founded and one of the reasons I got involved was so the 1st amendment could survive and flourish here. I am sick and tired of being told what I can/can't say, within reason.

If you want a thread to end, simply don't view the thread anymore or make any posts. It'll go away. All I ask is that we continue to be adults here. I like the idea of self-policing ourselves. We can agree to disagree and that is a good thing. Just keep it clean and non-personal and all is well. The average guy can click on a thread like this and read it, and come away with his own conclusions without too much of a problem I suspect. Make sure you have a Great Day!

Agreed, end it. I've never posted before, and this guy's ignorance and stupidity made me post. It didn't happen. don't lie. Peiod end of story. I own an 01 Ls V8. I love it. But it will hardly do 140 downhill, and it surley takes a long time to get there. I really don't see you rolling a 5.0L V8 Mercedes on the highway, what kind of mercedes was it? Nevermind, don't even answer. It makes no differnce. The moral of the story is, just stop, don't post BS>

Mike
FINE ill take a chance and hit it one more time, il even have my buudy(who's been up to the speed with me) reocrd it on video, expect an email by the end of th the week..maybe then youll all shut up...PEACE

FINE ill take a chance and hit it one more time, il even have my buudy(who's been up to the speed with me) reocrd it on video, expect an email by the end of th the week..maybe then youll all shut up...PEACE

:confused:

not saying that it can't happen (like someone else said... anything can happen on the street).

but seriously, the ONLY new GT's I can take are converables and I've taken an LS or two down before. I don't see how only an exhaust and K&N is gonna give you that much power... it's understandable why people would be skeptical

not saying that it can't happen (like Sifrino said... anything can happen on the street).

but seriously, the ONLY new GT's I can take are converables and I've taken an LS or two down before. I don't see how only an exhaust and K&N is gonna give you that much power... it's understandable why people would be skeptical

:I

Why does everyone keep comparing 4.6 litre Lincoln engines with 4.6 litre Caddy engines?

The LS has a 3.9litre

4.6L Mark, maybe. . .

Where not bragging over 14.9 are we?
It's good to have a lot of interest in moddin' your ride, and it's nice to see your pleased in the way it performs.
But let's not point fingers at others, talking' crap...

Only way to test out real times and prove others you will "OWN" them, is to hit up the track, then scan your times.

:W

Well, I love my LS, I loved my 95 Mark VIII, and I do love this site. I had a 94 Z28 automatic and then a 96 Z28 6 speed. Raced many cars with those...won some, lost some, but of course I was racing other Z's and vettes, etc. When I got my Mark VIII I had NO intentions of racing until I realized that it was perty darn quick. (Not Z quick, but quick) If I shifted from 1 to 2 it would chirp every time. I beat a supercharged grandprix (3.8) and a supercharged Buick Grand National. My current 01' LS V8 is fantastic and has balls when I'm moving.....But I just don't see what mods I could do to really bump the speed to where it needs to be for me to be at all arrogant about racing people. I love the car. I will mess with people and some I win, some I lose. I will say that IN MY OPINION, the LS is THE car for me and I wouldn't have bought it if I just wanted speed. Sorry for the pointless long post. But I LOVE MY LS, LOVED MY MARK VIII and I LOVE THIS SITE....... :N

Love to see what kind of Grand National it was. They were 13.0 cars right out of the showroom. Maybe it was one of the non-intercooled ones (pre-'85). And watch out for those blown GM cars, just a pulley kit and CAI gets them into the 13's easy. I've even seen them dipping into the 12's.

Love to see what kind of Grand National it was. They were 13.0 cars right out of the showroom. Maybe it was one of the non-intercooled ones (pre-'85). And watch out for those blown GM cars, just a pulley kit and CAI gets them into the 13's easy. I've even seen them dipping into the 12's.

Not to mention the 03' Cobra's... Like WHOA!

Not to mention the 03' Cobra's... Like WHOA!

I need to hear the song, Like Whoa! Right Now!

And watch out for those blown GM cars, just a pulley kit and CAI gets them into the 13's easy. I've even seen them dipping into the 12's.


from a dead dig... yeah, but they deffinitly run out of breath in hte upper RPMs :)
:D

Love to see what kind of Grand National it was. They were 13.0 cars right out of the showroom. Maybe it was one of the non-intercooled ones (pre-'85). And watch out for those blown GM cars, just a pulley kit and CAI gets them into the 13's easy. I've even seen them dipping into the 12's.

Yeah, I gotta admit it was a piece o crap. (That particular GrandNational) I was expecting to get me butt wiped cause I barely beat one with my Z28. (And lost the next race, then won the one after that.) But, I did beat him. I have no clue what year, but I do know that the guy was sort of a doof.

the motor in the M8 is not a cobra motor. it is a DOHC like the cobra.
Actually, they are, Cobra is aluminum, only difference. Mine is aluminum now, http://www.haneymotorsport.com/ShoppingCart/cobra.jpg
but my fault for not saying so. Haven't listed any of my mods yet, except maybe the tranny... I think... eh who knows... Without modding it, werent any M8's ordered with Aluminum?

Actually, they are, Cobra is aluminum, only difference. Mine is aluminum now, http://www.haneymotorsport.com/ShoppingCart/cobra.jpg
but my fault for not saying so. Haven't listed any of my mods yet, except maybe the tranny... I think... eh who knows... Without modding it, werent any M8's ordered with Aluminum?

huh? I am almost certin that all the mark VIII engines were all aluminum. I think the only difference between them was the crank, the intake and the exhaust cam. I'm sure someone will chime in

I certainly hope someone does... I've basically had the whole drivetrain rebuilt and specifically requested aluminum.

Bad enough the tranny went and that wasn't even voluntary a few months back

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?modelid=1759&src=vip

The 1996 Lincoln Mark VIII is available in a single model. A Diamond Anniversary Package celebrates the 75th anniversary of Lincoln in 1996. The Mark VIII has a 4.6-liter all-aluminum V8 engine with a 4-speed automatic transmission. Additional standard features include an anti-lock brake system (ABS), alloy wheels, a keyless entry system, automatic climate control, cruise control, leather seats, a self-leveling speed-sensitive suspension that lowers at high speeds, and a wraparound instrument panel. Options include a power moonroof, traction control, an LSC option package, CD player, and cellular phone.

just one of the first things I seen searching google

Yea but thats the Diamond Anniversary Edition. I had the choice of that one or the 98 Fully Loaded ... 98 isn't Aluminum... I'm gonna keep googling too .. :)

According to this Crazy long in depth aricle... there's more blocks than we can count... especially in 96-98... my life just became a soap opera.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/0302MMFF_MixMatch/

http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Lincoln_1994_Lincoln_Mark_VIII

the Mark VIII rode on a 4.5-inch longer wheelbase and measured 4.1 inches longer overall. Under the hood sat a twin-cam, all-aluminum 4.6-liter V8. The only available transmission was a 4-speed automatic with electronic shift control. Handling features included an all-independent electronically controlled air-spring suspension, antilock brakes, and speed-sensitive power steering

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/photos/index.cfm/id/2058/img/93115151990401

Lincoln launched the Mark VIII after the 1993 season began to replace the aging Mark VII. Rear-wheel drive was retained, but a new V8 engine was installed along with standard driver- and passenger-side airbags. When compared to the Mark VII, the Mark VIII rode on a 4.5-inch longer wheelbase and measured 4.1 inches longer overall. Under the hood sat a twin-cam, all-aluminum 4.6-liter V8. The only ... Read more in Consumer Guide®'s Full review of the 1993-98 Lincoln Mark VIII...

According to this Crazy long in depth aricle... there's more blocks than we can count... especially in 96-98... my life just became a soap opera.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/0302MMFF_MixMatch/

I've heard that the early ones were real strong. I think it was SHM that was able to put something like 1000+ HP thru an early style lincoln block (obviously built internals)... crazy

To be honest, I've never seen a 4.6 that WAS'T all-aluminum. I wish I had the same books on Lincoln that I have on Cadillac, then I'd be able to tell you what the differences are. I'd bet the Cobra motor is at the very least beefed-up with different cams, maybe even different heads and crank too. On the Cadillac 4.6, there's only two versions and the only difference is the cams.

To be honest, I've never seen a 4.6 that WAS'T all-aluminum. I wish I had the same books on Lincoln that I have on Cadillac, then I'd be able to tell you what the differences are. I'd bet the Cobra motor is at the very least beefed-up with different cams, maybe even different heads and crank too. On the Cadillac 4.6, there's only two versions and the only difference is the cams.
Check the article I posted, it will give you part numbers and years of the Iron Blocks (into the 90s)

Looks like this is gonna cost me more $$

Okay, so it looks like the SOHC engines have an iron block and the DOHC engines use aluminum, right? That article was real informative. I just wish I could find the "Part 2" on their site. THAT would be REAL informative since it is supposed to deal exclusively with the DOHC engine.

Crap, your right, it looks like it's the current Article, so next month, next week, next release of their articles will be part II.... another website to subscribe to :( LOL

there are a few details scattered throughout these pages
http://jwfisher.com/sec-ford/FMC-engines/default.htm

fwiw the pro5.0 guys are getting in upwards of 2,000hp out of stock 4.6 and 5.4l blocks...very impressive

Sorry I'm a little late here guys.I have built a few of these engines and the ONLY differences between the Cobra and the Mark engine are that the Cobra has a forged crank, a different exhaust cam( very slightly different, NO power difference) and the intake manifold.The Mark manifold is more geared toward low end torque cause the cars are heavier.
A STOCK block is only good to about 1000 HP or so, after that there are things that need to be done to keep it in one piece.So yes there are a couple people making 1600-1800 HP but the blocks are NOT stock, they have a special cement like substance poured into the water jackets and a few other tricks to solidify the block.LIke custom welded plates that connect the valley at the top of the engine.

Any more questions feel free to ask.

slightly modified stock block ;)

The specs I have seem to show that the 2 versions of the '98 MKVIII and the '98 Cobra were fairly close in power output but at that level it takes a lot to get a few HP or lb/ft of torque. Here's what I have:

Cobra = 305hp, 300lb/ft Torque
MKVIII (base) = 280hp, 285lb/ft Torque
MKVIII (LSC) = 290hp, 290lb/ft Torque

So there WAS definate power differences between these cars. Actually a fairly big difference. 25hp and 15lb/ft of torque are a substantial difference. I'd love to know exactly what makes the difference between these supposedly identical (except for a mild exhaust cam that makes no power difference, and an intake retuned for a different power curve). I wish they had the Part 2 available from that magazine! :Bang

yea it definately says Part II is next month on the bottom of the article in real little words.

Yeah, that sucks.
It's funny though. In the Cadillac Northstar, the base and high output versions are as follows:

Base (Eldo/SLS) = 275hp, 300lb/ft torque
HO (ETC/STS) = 300hp, 295lb/ft torque

And the only real difference between them is the cams.

I beat a ......and a supercharged Buick Grand National.

You are either referring to a TURBOcharged RWD Buick Grand National (pre '88), that was indeed capable of 13s and 12s w/ mods, OR a SUPERcharged Buick Gran Sport ('88+), which is Buick's equiv to the FWD Pontiac GTP, which is a hi-14 to mid 15 car stock, capable of 13s w/ mods.

I don't know about the MB 5.0, but no N/A LS is going to touch a GTO, 1/4-mi or top-end. The only way an LS will get in front of a GTO is if the GTO driver backs out.

Venture M/S...... got a timeslip on your LS?

The specs I have seem to show that the 2 versions of the '98 MKVIII and the '98 Cobra were fairly close in power output but at that level it takes a lot to get a few HP or lb/ft of torque. Here's what I have:

Cobra = 305hp, 300lb/ft Torque
MKVIII (base) = 280hp, 285lb/ft Torque
MKVIII (LSC) = 290hp, 290lb/ft Torque

So there WAS definate power differences between these cars. Actually a fairly big difference. 25hp and 15lb/ft of torque are a substantial difference. I'd love to know exactly what makes the difference between these supposedly identical (except for a mild exhaust cam that makes no power difference, and an intake retuned for a different power curve). I wish they had the Part 2 available from that magazine! :Bang

I'm willing to bet that the extra power is coming from the intake/TB designs as well as the exhaust and manifolds/headers.

I know the only difference from the base to the LSC (engine wise) was the true dual exhaust which bumped it up 10 HP :)

You are either referring to a TURBOcharged RWD Buick Grand National (pre '88), that was indeed capable of 13s and 12s w/ mods, OR a SUPERcharged Buick Gran Sport ('88+), which is Buick's equiv to the FWD Pontiac GTP, which is a hi-14 to mid 15 car stock, capable of 13s w/ mods.

I don't know about the MB 5.0, but no N/A LS is going to touch a GTO, 1/4-mi or top-end. The only way an LS will get in front of a GTO is if the GTO driver backs out.

Venture M/S...... got a timeslip on your LS?
Ill have a couple on the 19th (posted on the 20th) Ill be running at Qual Comm in San Diego with My NOS and C12 as fuel (108 Octane). Should have some quick times!

The difference is in the manifold and definately in the tune of the computer.

This SUCKS!!!
I went out and bought the new edition of that magazine and guess what? Part 2 is NOT in it. So I'm guessing that the article posted was NOT in their last edition. Now I'm REALLY pissed!!!!!!!!!

This SUCKS!!!
I went out and bought the new edition of that magazine and guess what? Part 2 is NOT in it. So I'm guessing that the article posted was NOT in their last edition. Now I'm REALLY pissed!!!!!!!!!
Didn't even think about buying it! How much is the subscription cards inside?

Ill have a couple on the 19th (posted on the 20th) Ill be running at Qual Comm in San Diego with My NOS and C12 as fuel (108 Octane). Should have some quick times!

Looking forward to seeing those. How 'bout a N/A (no juice) run or two? I'd be interested to see if anyone w/ a pre-'03 can beat my time w/ similar mods (I haven't seen anyone w/ a faster slip yet). Does your '00 have a 3.31 (DOB > 7/99) or 3.58 (DOB < 7/99) rear gear? My '00's DOB is 4/99 and has the 3.58 rear.

An LS with that list of mods doesn't stand a chance in HELL of even competing with the cars you list let alone BEATING them.
I've beeten better cars in my Mark VIII. Including an 01 BMW M5. You can tweak out just about any car to nearly any spec you need these days. I wouldn't underestimate the power of the lincoln V8's ;)

I've beeten better cars in my Mark VIII. Including an 01 BMW M5. You can tweak out just about any car to nearly any spec you need these days. I wouldn't underestimate the power of the lincoln V8's ;)

is you're mark VIII stock? I'm sorry but I have to call BS if you're either stock, or nearly stock. The 01 M5 comes with a 6 speed gearbox and a 394 HP 302.

0-60 in 4.8, quatermile in 13.3 @ 108 and a top speed of 155 (electronicly limited)

I'm sorry... but unless you'r packing a nice gear package, high stall convertor and a nice shot of juice or a blower... I just don't see it happening.

I love these cars and everything... but like I said, unless you got a nice setup, it just aint happening.

I've beeten better cars in my Mark VIII. Including an 01 BMW M5. You can tweak out just about any car to nearly any spec you need these days. I wouldn't underestimate the power of the lincoln V8's ;)

Here's another one that just proves my point. :bsflag:

eh thats one way to look at it, but the gains (if any) are nothing that would be noticed...you'll run into problems with the wrong plugs in the engine, more along the lines of plug life. If you want to control a/f ratio and inturn, burn quality, you certainly don't want to do it with a plug change. You'll find (though rare) engines that run a carb that can't get even burn distribution cylinder to cylinder that would be canidates for using different heat range plugs to tailer burn (per cylinder)...but this is totally different.

there are 3 factors that can/will limit your top speed
hp, it takes hp to keep an object accelorating
rev limit, if you can't build revs you can't increase speed excede XXXX rpm in any gear and the eec pulls spark (they used to pull fuel back in the eec4 days)
absolute speed limit, pass a certain rpm in X gear and the eec pulls spark at random

Whats wrong with 149mph? why on Earth would you want to travel more than 2x the legal speed limit on public roads?

Bah... speed limits... something invented by the insurance companies, sold to cops, and somehow convinced to the general public that they keep us "safe"... see the following articles:

Montana speed limit paradox:
http://www.motorists.com/pressreleases/montana.html
Fatal accidents double on Montana's Interstates... after speed limits are enacted
http://www.hwysafety.com/hwy_montana_2001.htm

There simply isn't enough low end power in the LS to get a good launch.

Thats why yall should get Mark VIII! :gr_hail:

Aint that right HotRod

Gosh is it just me or was the thread starter a friggin moron?!? I absolutely love the LS. It is a car that is totally sexxy and has potential in the right hands. With that said, that guy was talking about beating high 12 second capable (if driven well) to mid 13 second cars like they were nothing. Hehe, anything can happen on the street, but not as often as that guy said! He would have had to have about 10,000 horseshoes and 5,000 rabbits feet in his car to be that consistently lucky. hehe. Man some people need to get a better grasp of reality. :slam

there is a whole lotta magic in some of these cars..........

Ill have a couple on the 19th (posted on the 20th) Ill be running at Qual Comm in San Diego with My NOS and C12 as fuel (108 Octane). Should have some quick times!

So you first say that you beat all these cars N/A and even had the Benz driver check for a nitrous setup. Now you're telling us that you're going to the strip... a week from now... and you'll be running nitrous and race fuel?

Something doesn't make sense here...

Either you had nitrous at the time you were racing and beat those other cars... or you're installing a nitrous setup before you go to the strip so you don't loose face.

Everyone salute the flag:
:bsflag:

Starting to sound like that IROC owner from CA who said his car couldn't be detected on radar because he kept it so clean (http://www.housetepes.net/sounds/iroc.mp3)!

Gosh is it just me or was the thread starter a friggin moron?!? I absolutely love the LS. It is a car that is totally sexxy and has potential in the right hands. With that said, that guy was talking about beating high 12 second capable (if driven well) to mid 13 second cars like they were nothing. Hehe, anything can happen on the street, but not as often as that guy said! He would have had to have about 10,000 horseshoes and 5,000 rabbits feet in his car to be that consistently lucky. hehe. Man some people need to get a better grasp of reality. :slam

Methinks that the thread starter "beat" a GTO (and other cars) by weaving in and out of traffic and doing stupid crap that makes little children who drive cars think they're a "good driver" because they can weave through traffic and "beat" a faster car.

Starting to sound like that IROC owner from CA who said his car couldn't be detected on radar because he kept it so clean (http://www.housetepes.net/sounds/iroc.mp3)!

Well... a flat black car with popup headlights (not popped up) and no chrome or other reflective material, won't return a very good LASER signal, but radar, you'd better be made of some stealth material or something there buddy...

is this some sort of early april fools joke?

anyways, I'll race you in my new Mercedes CLS 55amg 5.5L V8 469HP, if you can beat those cars, I'm quite sure you can beat me..

Better yet, I'll fight ya for pink slips..

Actually, they are, Cobra is aluminum, only difference. Mine is aluminum now

Uhmmm....no....03/04 Cobras are iron blocks. The last aluminum Cobra block was 2001. The good aluminum blocks are mid 90's versions and are called "Teksid" blocks. They were cast in Italy and are much stronger than the later ones cast domestically.

So you first say that you beat all these cars N/A and even had the Benz driver check for a nitrous setup. Now you're telling us that you're going to the strip... a week from now... and you'll be running nitrous and race fuel?

Something doesn't make sense here...

Either you had nitrous at the time you were racing and beat those other cars... or you're installing a nitrous setup before you go to the strip so you don't loose face.

Everyone salute the flag:
:bsflag:



Boy do I agree!! This guy is so full of :bsflag: I can't believe it. First, top speed runs are a bogus test. Too many variables. Many cars shut down on top due to tires. Besides, even at Bonneville, they start you from a dead stop.

All these claims and not one ounce of proof? Take it to the track and show us. Let's see a video and time slip. And when we see you in the 13's, we will know you are running the juice.

I can't believe I even made a post to his ridiculous claims.

Uhmmm....no....03/04 Cobras are iron blocks. The last aluminum Cobra block was 2001. The good aluminum blocks are mid 90's versions and are called "Teksid" blocks. They were cast in Italy and are much stronger than the later ones cast domestically.


If you want an example of a modern day aluminum 4.6 that is really strong, then take a look at the 4.6 SOHC Explorer engines 2002-2005. I dont know where I have the pictures, but it shows how the casting was different to make key areas allot stronger than other normal aluminum 4.6's like the 99 & 01(I think) Cobra's and such. Do a search sometime (if your curous) and see what I'm talking about.

its been a while since u read this post and got a bigger laugh now than b4. this kid a damn joke. he beat a 454 impala SS. come on thats unreal. he beat all those cars and then he woke up. i have those dreams to venture, i once beat this ferrari enzo, and yes i made sure to wave to him as i passed him. he also stopped me to shake MY hand. then i woke up. dude u truelly need to stop takling all this BS. it really gets u no where in life. u always get caught up in lies, trust me i know im caught up in a huge one now between 2 females and it truelly sux.

lol the true meaning of LVC :V :bash:


:wrench

its been a while since u read this post and got a bigger laugh now than b4. this kid a damn joke. he beat a 454 impala SS. come on thats unreal. he beat all those cars and then he woke up. i have those dreams to venture, i once beat this ferrari enzo, and yes i made sure to wave to him as i passed him. he also stopped me to shake MY hand. then i woke up. dude u truelly need to stop takling all this BS. it really gets u no where in life. u always get caught up in lies, trust me i know im caught up in a huge one now between 2 females and it truelly sux.


Hey did I tell you all the story of when I was having a manaja twa(sp?) with two CK models and raced and beat a McLaren F1 at the same time? I have the video somewhere too! Uhhh too bad I cannot post it. hehe.

Hey did I tell you all the story of when I was having a manaja twa(sp?) with two CK models and raced and beat a McLaren F1 at the same time? I have the video somewhere too! Uhhh too bad I cannot post it. hehe.

I once beat a Ferrari like it was standing still, oh wait, it was. It was in the showroom of the dealer that I passed.

I once beat a Ferrari like it was standing still, oh wait, it was. It was in the showroom of the dealer that I passed.


Hey I raced that one too! That guy couldnt drive worth a crap! Weird!

Hey did I tell you all the story of when I was having a manaja twa(sp?) with two CK models and raced and beat a McLaren F1 at the same time? I have the video somewhere too! Uhhh too bad I cannot post it. hehe.

"manage a toi"

It's French ;)

"manage a toi"

It's French ;)
Yeah, it's French, but it's menage a trois. There're probably some of those snooty French accents in there, too, but I don't really care about the language of "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys". ;)

Oooooh not this wonderful thread again... I remember reading this when I first signed up here.

Notice that the original thread starter disappeared on 'deployment' and hasn't been heard from since... there was also some ebay drama in other parts of the forum.

AHHHGGG!!!!! I feel dumber for even having read this thread!

The quote, without the quote... stuff they won't tell you in traffic court...

Bah... speed limits... something invented by the insurance companies, sold to cops, and somehow convinced to the general public that they keep us "safe"... see the following articles:

Montana speed limit paradox:
http://www.motorists.com/pressreleases/montana.html
Fatal accidents double on Montana's Interstates... after speed limits are enacted
http://www.hwysafety.com/hwy_montana_2001.htm

If you want an example of a modern day aluminum 4.6 that is really strong, then take a look at the 4.6 SOHC Explorer engines 2002-2005. I dont know where I have the pictures, but it shows how the casting was different to make key areas allot stronger than other normal aluminum 4.6's like the 99 & 01(I think) Cobra's and such. Do a search sometime (if your curous) and see what I'm talking about.

I haven't heard that! And I hear a lot about such things. I will look into it. It's funny because the Mach 1 boys haven't said anything about it that I remember and they run the same thing as my wife's Aviator (supposedly) I will do some looking. Thanks for the tip!

But I do know that the Teksid blocks are supposed to be good for quite a bit of boost that the others can't take. You can find them once in a while if you look for them.

I haven't heard that! And I hear a lot about such things. I will look into it. It's funny because the Mach 1 boys haven't said anything about it that I remember and they run the same thing as my wife's Aviator (supposedly) I will do some looking. Thanks for the tip!

But I do know that the Teksid blocks are supposed to be good for quite a bit of boost that the others can't take. You can find them once in a while if you look for them.

The block construction itself in most modern day cases now, will not even become an issue until your making well over 600 rwhp in a V8. Up until then it is all about your rotating assembly. That will by far and away fail loooooooong before the block itself will. Most stock 4.6 blocks will handle quite a bit of power with a good forged rotating assembly. When people see chunks of block that fell out or broke off after blowing an engine, it is not due to the block itself failing it is due to the connecting rod failing and then rattling around until it catches and punches a hole in the side of the block. I would say that for 99% of hot rodders, they wouldnt even need to think of block construction when building for the power they plan on making. Some of you here probably already know this, but maybe a few others dont.

Rob

My apologies for getting off topic in my previous post, but I dont foresee the thread starter coming back here for a while. hehe.

this guy beat none of those cars.. Race my stock mark viii with a couple bolt on's and i gaurantee you do not win in a 1/4... I race a friend of mine who has a ls and i destroy him all the time!! come on now man, you say you beat all theese fast cars? baaaaah as funny as the guy in the mark viii forum who said he beat a ls6 with his stock mark were do the people like this come from? and dont say jersey

My apologies for getting off topic in my previous post, but I dont foresee the thread starter coming back here for a while. hehe.

Youre right, he may be busy out somewhere on an Air Force Base racing F-18 jets as they take off.

Youre right, he may be busy out somewhere on an Air Force Base racing F-18 jets as they take off.


Didnt I see something like that in the movie Top Gun? hehe...



Ok ok ok...All in favor of Venture Motorsports Ls's new official nickname being Maverick??? AYE!!!



Almost too cool of a nickname to give. Oh well, we know what its real meaning is. lol *owned*

I want to know how I can get my LSv8 to go that fast. My computer stops me at 135. I believe the fuel is cut off. Also will this void my warranty?
The other day I raced a motorcycle and when I got him up to my limit he would go no faster. I dont blame him, Im at least surrounded by metal.
I crave speed and I dont want to trade in for a faster auto maker, I love my LS. I have been reading about other member upgrades but they seem to have trouble with them. How bout a computer upgrade? Will that also void my warranty. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
Also, who's test driving these LS's? Most review's miss the mark.

this guy beat none of those cars.. Race my stock mark viii with a couple bolt on's and i gaurantee you do not win in a 1/4... I race a friend of mine who has a ls and i destroy him all the time!! come on now man, you say you beat all theese fast cars? baaaaah as funny as the guy in the mark viii forum who said he beat a ls6 with his stock mark were do the people like this come from? and dont say jersey


I'll give the benefit of the doubt because I have raced others and won. Maybe because they reached thier limit or maybe because they knew they couldnt hang. I have never come across any of those Lincoln 8's that wanted to race for whatever reason, I pass them with respect because I know what they can do. Happy Trails everybody.

Have you thought about the fact that, at highway cruising speeds racing is quite different than trying to see who can do the best 1/4 mile, and that sort of stuff?.......the LS with the V-8 motor is still rated at 0-60 in 6.4 seconds....that's gonna be faster than most V-8 sedans, and not much slower than a new GTO or Mustang GT (about a second or less)......then when you get up to about 100 or so, there's a good chance the LS will "take over" most of those cars, or at least keep up with them.......another thing that has to be factored in is "driver skill"-----this can vary quite a bit, as most of you guys know........maybe our California friend is just a real skilled driver, better than most in his area........that might give him an edge over those "faster" cars.......just trying to give him the "benefit of the doubt".......

0-60 in 6.4 sec. really :Beer .

Have you thought about the fact that, at highway cruising speeds racing is quite different than trying to see who can do the best 1/4 mile, and that sort of stuff?.......the LS with the V-8 motor is still rated at 0-60 in 6.4 seconds....that's gonna be faster than most V-8 sedans, and not much slower than a new GTO or Mustang GT (about a second or less)......then when you get up to about 100 or so, there's a good chance the LS will "take over" most of those cars, or at least keep up with them.......another thing that has to be factored in is "driver skill"-----this can vary quite a bit, as most of you guys know........maybe our California friend is just a real skilled driver, better than most in his area........that might give him an edge over those "faster" cars.......just trying to give him the "benefit of the doubt".......


Do you realize that in 0-60 terms one second is a HUGE MARGIN! Let alone when that spreads out to 1.5-2.0 seconds by the end of the 1/4 mile! A second in the 1/4 mile is a very very large margin! I imagine if you raced more in real life that you would be aware of that. The M6 GTO's go mid 13's in the 1/4 and then 99-04 Mustang GT's with the M5 went high 13's with a good driver and low 14's with an average one or an auto. The best an LS, even the 03+ in stock form is mid 14's at best, if that!

Driver skill is a thing that doesnt play into this equation to help the thread starter win those races. He has an AUTO there IS NO DRIVER SKILL INVOLVED! If he were in a manual car then that would be very different. With an auto you plant your foot and keep it help down while making sure you dont steer of the road, not much skill involved in that when talking in terms of racing.

Once they reached 100 those other cars, some having much better aerodynamics and more power to weight ration would have murdered that guy in his LS even more! The LS is a great highway car because of its ability to make its peak power in the upper rpm band, but it still cannot top some of those cars mentioned.

I would have given him the benefit of the doubt if he had mentioned one or maybe two much faster cars tops, but he didnt. He had to go off like he had blown all these much faster cars out of the water which some of us know to be truly BS! Bottom line is that he went too far with his BS and was called on it.

I truly love the LS. There is no other car I would rather have, and believe me I have my choice of pretty much anything up to a used Z06 Corvette. All I ask is that people keep things realistic and dont try to BS people with their hogwash. I take it almost personally when someone thinks they can feed me or anyone else in the forum a line of sh1t and feel they can get away with it. In the famous words of Damon Wayans from In Living Color as the birthday clown, "Homie don't play that!".

im wondering why he hasnt chirped in again. he made this post you woiuld think he would give us some follow up or at least defend himself

0-60 in 6.4 sec. really :Beer .
really...my 03 (before somethings gone wrong and made it slow and nobody will helpme:) )I've timed probably a dozen times. SST mode, moderate power brake, TC off. I've been consistently between 6.3 and 6.7. Ususally near spot on 6.4. This is running in different directions down the same section of road....the gears on the 03's and the increased HP made quite a difference IMHO.

Id say 7-7.5 sec 0-60 for an LS V8.

I'd agree w/you through 02. I test drove about a dozen of these things before I bought. Last one I drove was 03 and bought it. HUGE difference vs. the 02's I was looking at.

really...my 03 (before somethings gone wrong and made it slow and nobody will helpme:) )I've timed probably a dozen times. SST mode, moderate power brake, TC off. I've been consistently between 6.3 and 6.7. Ususally near spot on 6.4. This is running in different directions down the same section of road....the gears on the 03's and the increased HP made quite a difference IMHO.

I guess it's plausible in an 03. Good times. :Beer

im wondering why he hasnt chirped in again. he made this post you woiuld think he would give us some follow up or at least defend himself



Well that means he at least has enough sense to realize when he's busted and decided to not make it any worse by coming back in here.

I can't believe I wasted my time reading through this entire thread! Have I lost it? Can i ask everyone a question? Did you buy your LS to race it on a track or drive it on the streets? Please... if you wan't to argue about something, let's talk about how the LS hugs the road and makes you feel like your Jeff Gordon on the exit ramp. and handles like no other car (luxury car at that) out there.

If you guys want to impress me, lets see you race across a major city during rush hour without killing anyone or running any light. :wave

I can't believe I wasted my time reading through this entire thread! Have I lost it? Can i ask everyone a question? Did you buy your LS to race it on a track or drive it on the streets? Please... if you wan't to argue about something, let's talk about how the LS hugs the road and makes you feel like your Jeff Gordon on the exit ramp. and handles like no other car (luxury car at that) out there.

If you guys want to impress me, lets see you race across a major city during rush hour without killing anyone or running any light. :wave



Actually, I will be buying an LS to weekend race....And also serve as a daily driver. I havent had the chance to get into autoX racing much so I really want to try it out. I figure my LS will be the perfect starting point to have a little fun on the weekends when I am not at the drag strip. :Beer

Just wondering, do we get any extra "points" if we dont kill anyone or get into a wreck? Cause sometimes its easier to just go overtop of people on the sidewalk than all the way around them. :steering lol

Actually, I will be buying an LS to weekend race....And also serve as a daily driver. I havent had the chance to get into autoX racing much so I really want to try it out. I figure my LS will be the perfect starting point to have a little fun on the weekends when I am not at the drag strip. :Beer

Just wondering, do we get any extra "points" if we dont kill anyone or get into a wreck? Cause sometimes its easier to just go overtop of people on the sidewalk than all the way around them. :steering lol

You have yet to add something to this forum and you still continue to extend the life of dying threads. I'm guilty of this by responding, but come on someone needs to let you know.

The LS is a great car, but it is not as fast as this thread starter thinks.

You have yet to add something to this forum and you still continue to extend the life of dying threads. I'm guilty of this by responding, but come on someone needs to let you know.

Everytime I get an automated email tha this thread was updated, I keep thinking "God, that was so 2004!"

You have yet to add something to this forum and you still continue to extend the life of dying threads. I'm guilty of this by responding, but come on someone needs to let you know.



I refrained from saying much of anything in the other thread in which we were debating the topic regarding exhaust but I will hold my tongue no longer. It is very apparent that you are making this a personal attack instead of a mere debate which is extremely childish in its own right. I have seen you post in more than a few threads that I have recently been in, just out of the blue, for no other reason than to say some negative comment about me for no reason. That is a total loser thing to do. Apparently you think that since you werent doing so well against me in the other thread that you will attempt to insult me in a few others I have participated in. You are a loser of the lowest order. If you really have to resort to looking up posts I made in the past and then trying your best to find some fault with them then you are doing nothing more than what your accusing me of. In fact, you are making my point for me. Anyone can now do a search for my latest posts and see what I am talking about, and see what kind of tool you are. Unless you do an even more pathetic thing and delete your posts. There have been a few threads in which I have called a person out on this or that thing, or clarified someone tech talk but that is it. I havent made any personal attacks and have only gotten on someones case when they were obviously BS'ing, like the original poster of this thread. Now follow me on over to the other threads so I can continue to own you. For the rest of the people on this thread and the others I do apologize. Sometimes it is best to take care of dirty laundry (Midas78) out in the open for everyone to see.

I refrained from saying much of anything in the other thread in which we were debating the topic regarding exhaust but I will hold my tongue no longer. It is very apparent that you are making this a personal attack instead of a mere debate which is extremely childish in its own right. I have seen you post in more than a few threads that I have recently been in, just out of the blue, for no other reason than to say some negative comment about me for no reason. That is a total loser thing to do. Apparently you think that since you werent doing so well against me in the other thread that you will attempt to insult me in a few others I have participated in. You are a loser of the lowest order. If you really have to resort to looking up posts I made in the past and then trying your best to find some fault with them then you are doing nothing more than what your accusing me of. In fact, you are making my point for me. Anyone can now do a search for my latest posts and see what I am talking about, and see what kind of tool you are. Unless you do an even more pathetic thing and delete your posts. There have been a few threads in which I have called a person out on this or that thing, or clarified someone tech talk but that is it. I havent made any personal attacks and have only gotten on someones case when they were obviously BS'ing, like the original poster of this thread. Now follow me on over to the other threads so I can continue to own you. For the rest of the people on this thread and the others I do apologize. Sometimes it is best to take care of dirty laundry (Midas78) out in the open for everyone to see.

oooooooh, someone got offended....

you're still a little wordy.

Pushing your opinions on people doesn't feel good does it? I have proven my point.

Good Lord, would somebody please take this thread out behind the barn and put it out of our misery?!?

The LS is a great car, but it is not as fast as this thread starter thinks.


The 03's and later have a 123 limiter. The 00-02 (sports) have a 149 limiter. The 00-02 non-sport V6 has a 123 limiter. My 00 V6 non sport has seen 140.

The 03's and later have a 123 limiter. The 00-02 (sports) have a 149 limiter. The 00-02 non-sport V6 has a 123 limiter. My 00 V6 non sport has seen 140.

mike - it's 133mph limiter for all non-sport pre-03 and all 03+

the non-limited pre-03 just seems to peter-out at about 143mph or so....

Ihave to agree with MonsterMark about this. It has actually been pretty entertaining reading this post and listening to all of you go on and on about what your cars will do. Personally I'm a 27 year old with a mortage and I honestly couldn't tell you how fast my 02 LSV8 will go. I have a pretty good idea though how fast it will get me to the judges bench. By the way MonsterMark, hate to make this a political discussion but your pic has got to go. :)

Good Lord, would somebody please take this thread out behind the barn and put it out of our misery?!?

Hey bro, just because this thread is old doesnt mean that it should be hauled off and buried. There has been some good tech talk in here (along with some BS'ing) in the past and from the looks of things, it doesnt seem like it will be stopping anytime soon. I'm sure it will die out again, but for now it seems to be fairly active.

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Hehehe. Nice cat....

http://williamthecoroner.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/istock_can-of-worms.jpg

ehh...heh

I got nothing better to do

WTF??? Talk about bringing back a thread from the dead.

Don't you have have something better to do.....






at 4 in the morning......................... I don't

Hell no... but it's only 3 here

+1 I've outraced at red light against chargers, Mustang GTs, and Audis.....can't wait for more Lincoln mods :-D

you don't warrant them wasting dead dinosaurs on your ride...

plus they probably giggled and pointed their fingers