We all have read the post on great classic cars of the past.

But how about the Worse car, the biggest automobile mistake!

What car is it. That one that should never been built or the designer or engineer should have been Executed!

Two comes to mind: 1. AMC Pacer and 2. Dodge K-car

Two comes to mind: 1. AMC Pacer and 2. Dodge K-car

The 2 that came to my mind also! But if you turn the Pacer upside down it would make a great bath tub or fish bowl

Now you have my dander up. We had 2 Pacers.

We had a '68 Firebird when we were first married. By '75 it was pretty tired and we didn't have a lot of money.

My wife wanted a Capri II but I couldn't fit my 6'5" frame into it. I was doing some work at a AMC dealer and I noticed that the doors on the Pacer were huge. I fit perfectly. I told my wife I'd found the car for us. She test drove it and reluctantly signed off on it. Now she tell the story that she wept into her pillow the night we brought it home.

Technically, the Pacer was one of the better cars that we owned. It was great in the snow, had a great turning radius and no blind spot.

I'd vote for the Pacer being one of the ugliest cars but not the worst car ever put into production. IMHO, I'd say the Yugo was the worst I've seen here.

Now you have my dander up. I swear. I had nothing to do with it. Honest.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

Being in the car business in the early eighties, there was an over-abundance of finalists to pick from. The Chevette and K-car had to be right up there though.

I'd have to say any current offering Honda has, namely The Accord,Element and Insight
(Shamu)(Legocar) &(How in the F*** could Honda make a '91CRX that Fugly?!?)
In reality though, it's probably the genius that created the Volkswagen "New-Beetle" I've heard horror stories on this leper of a car,
I've actually heard that this crapbox was marketed to people who know absolutely nothing about cars, except that, it's so cute,and It has a flower vase in it! (Awww!)That's the engineer I would like to execute!
Or, the fish-fart that decided the Mini-Cooper should be made into a convertible.(Could a car be anymore stereotypically gay?) (It makes a Miata look like a Viper!)
I could go on and on but I'll take up too much space. :zgreenbou

Chevy Vega? I win :) Car couldn't even make it down the 1/4 mile test track.

Ford Pinto ...... and the Pacer of course

I owned a 77 chevette for eight years, it was like a cockroach, nothing would stop it and it was still going fine when I sold it to one of my daughters boyfriends who needed a work car.

The classic loser car would have to be the Edsel. Wrong car at the wrong time and a sorry piece of junk to boot. Just about any english car from British Leyland would fill the bill, you knew your mechanic as a friend of the family.

Hi All

Lancia A10

Regards

Dereck

Hmmm I've see a few Vega's with a 350 crammed into them that aren't half bad.

Chevy Vega? I win :) Car couldn't even make it down the 1/4 mile test track.

1981 Cadillac Eldorado with the V8-6-4.

Two comes to mind: 1. AMC Pacer and 2. Dodge K-car

The K-car is what put Chrysler back in business.....cheap....crappy, but not the worst.

Renault Alliance 1984-1987, worst car on the road in those years.....and still is.

Pacer and the K-car are ugly, but by far NOT the worst.......ugly yes.

Or how about ANY Buick in the late 70's early 80's with the 3.8 litre V-6 (one of the worst engines EVER built). Or the Caddy 4-6-8 technology (another of the worst engines EVER built).

Or how about ANY Buick in the late 70's early 80's with the 3.8 litre V-6 (one of the worst engines EVER built). Or the Caddy 4-6-8 technology (another of the worst engines EVER built).
cadillac 4.1

Or the Caddy 4-6-8 technology (another of the worst engines EVER built).

I agree. See my previous post. ;)

Buick 3.8L V6, a bad engine? HELL NO. Rather, it is one of the greatest ever built.

Buick 3.8L V6, a bad engine? HELL NO. Rather, it is one of the greatest ever built.
:I What about the '83-87 Buick Grand National or T-Type or even the all-mighty GNX(the 4-seater Corvette for '86-'87)? Or how about the current GM3800 which is ubiquitous as houseflies, that was based upon the 3.8 (231)V6? I had an '83 Cutlass with a 3.8 and it ran like hell. (If that car didn't get stolen so much),( more than the '84 Eldo I had, oh, by the way this was in '92,too.) I would get another, hell I might get a 3.8 to replace the impossible to find 260(for here) in my'79 Cutlass in my garage.
I also think the Toyota Echo 2-dr is the bass-turd son of Pacer,
look at one up close and see what I mean.
(But, my loopy-butt actually loves the quirky little Pacer.)
Another nominee is:
1987 Ford Escort , everyone who had one, HATES Ford now.

I have to say the AMC Eagle. Geezus, what a P.O.S. Also, thoughts of the 1988 Chevy Nova/Toyota Tercel come to mind. My worst car ever was a 1988 Monte Carlo SS w/ t-tops. I hate that car.

All depends on how you measure 'worst'

The K car may not have been much from a gearhead point of view, but it saved chrysler - The AMC Pacer is one of those cars that is so scrwy you almost have to love it. The Geo Metro was a go cart with doors, but they sold many many of them. Same with the pinto. SO, it all depends on your criteria

I hate to repeat some others but anyone who knows anything about automotive history knows the K-car put Chrysler back on the map. Thanks to Lee Iaccoca the company sold literally MILLIONS of those little beasts. They were cheap, fairly reliable, cheap to fix.
On the other hand, the Chevy Vega, Chevette, and Citation were JUNK and helped kill GM's reputation. So did virtually any of the early Suzukis rebadged as Chevys, and anything with an HT4100 in it. As for Ford, the Pinto was bad, and so was the Mustang II. And if you want to talk JUNK, you HAVE to admit that virtually ANY AMC qualifies. Any British car ever built.....JUNK! Ok, I'm not going to continue down the list of import crap too. I don't have THAT kind of free time! :biggrin:

Hi Katshot

I must take exception to your statement "Any British car ever built....JUNK! OK", I must admit by American standards your every day British car is not very good, that's why I drive a Lincoln but some of the finest cars ever built have been British, Rolls Royce, Lanchester, Lagonda, Daimler, Vanden Plas and Bristol to name a few.

Regards

Dereck

Triumph TR-7. Yeah, that wedge looking thing. What a POS. Owned one when I was young and stupid.

Totally agree with the Renault Alliance too. Had a friend who bought one new and had 3 engines put in within 2 years.

Hi Katshot

I must take exception to your statement "Any British car ever built....JUNK! OK", I must admit by American standards your every day British car is not very good, that's why I drive a Lincoln but some of the finest cars ever built have been British, Rolls Royce, Lanchester, Lagonda, Daimler, Vanden Plas and Bristol to name a few.

Regards

Dereck


Obviously you've never had to work on one. I have just one word for you, Lucas.

Buick 3.8L V6, a bad engine? HELL NO. Rather, it is one of the greatest ever built.


The later 80's, not the later 70's early 80's.......they seized on a daily basis....I know, I owned 4 or 5 of them.

YUGO......enuf said!

Buick 3.8L V6, a bad engine? HELL NO. Rather, it is one of the greatest ever built.

oh yea, my 86 Delta 88 has over 240K miles on its' 3.8L V6 and it's still running great with no major repairs.

Katshot has a real point with the word "Lucas". I think it is really a derivative of Lucifer. I owned a '74 TR-6. I can testify.

So why do the Brits drink their beer warm.

Yup Lucas makes the refrigerators...

Obviously you've never had to work on one. I have just one word for you, Lucas.

Ok, I figured I'd weigh in on the subject a bit.....

The Dodge K-car, while not a motorhead's dream, DID make it as Motor Trend's car of the year in 1981, if I'm not mistaken. I don't believe that you can actually call a car the "worst ever" if it had that distinction. Granted, it was gutless, ugly, and basically crap, but it got you there, and it saved Chryslers ass, no question.

The AMC Pacer was no beauty queen either, but there is a HUGE following for that little car. I've also heard of one of them, which was like a wagon variation, had a Buick 401 under the hood, and it plain hauled ass. I'm not sure if that was pure motorhead legend or what, but there's no denying the loyal followers of such a weird little car.

Now, as for a front runner for crappiest car ever, I have to agree with the Yugo vote. Granted, they were cheap, but they were seemingly built by 4th graders in a sweatshop in former Yugoslavia. How can you account for so many jokes about them?
1)Q: How do you upgrade a Yugo car?
A: Put in an engine.
A. "TRADE IT FOR A TRABBIE" (the late great Roosian "people's car")
A. "PARK IT NEXT TO A PORTAJOHN.....AND LEAVE IT UNLOCKED"
A. "CRUSH IT AND USE IT FOR TRACTION BALLAST IN YOUR BIG DOG 4X4 PICKEMUP TRUCK"

2) Q: Why do Yugos have heated rear windows?
A: To keep your hands warm when you're pushing them.

3) Q: How do you make accelerate a Yugo from 0 to 100 km in 10 seconds?
A: Push it off a cliff.

4) Q. What's the difference between a Yugo and the principal's office?
A. It's less embarrassing if your friends see you leaving the principal's
office.

5) Q: What goes on pages 4-5 of the Yugo user's manual?
A: The train & bus schedule.

6) A man goes to a parts garage:
Man: "Can I have a windshield wiper for a Yugo please?"
Parts man: "Yeah, that seems like a fair swap."

7) Q: What is the sport-version of Yugo?
A: The driver wears Nike shoes.

8) Q: What do you call a Yugo at the top of a hill?
A: A miracle.

9) Q: What do you call two Yugos at the top of a hill?
A: A mirage.

10) Q: What do you call a Yugo with dual exhausts?
A: A wheelbarrow

11) Q: How do you double the value of a Yugo?
A: Half fill it with gasoline!

12) Q: How do you make a Yugo look good?
A: Park it between two Cadillacs!

13) Q: What to you call a Yugo with brakes?
A: Customized.

14) Q: What do you have to do if your Yugo gets in the way of a swarm of killer bees?
A: Stop pushing and take refuge into the car.

15) Q: What is the Yugo owner's most ardent wish?
A: To buy a car.

16) Q: What do you call a Yugo with a seat belt?
A: A rucksack.

17) Q: How do you make a Yugo go faster uphill?
A: Throw out the passenger.
A: Call the tow truck driver on his cell, and tell him to step on it.

18 Q: How do you make a Yugo go faster downhill?
A: Turn off the engine.
A: Take it out of gear.

19) Q: What do you call a Yugo with a flat tire?
A: A write off.

20) STOP PRESS!!
Yugo has announced a new 16 Valve model for 1993.
8 in the engine, 8 in the radio.

21) - I can see you've got a new car - a Yugo!
- Yes, I won the second prize in a lottery.
- What was the first prize then?
- A fruit-basket!

22) Yugo will be introducing three new vehicles next year. They will have a moped called an "I Go". They will have a 4-door called a "We Go". They will also have a new station wagon called the "Y'all Go".

23) Q: What do you call a Yugo in the fast lane on the freeway?
A: Roadkill.

24) Some used car dealers might try to reduce the miles on the odometer
to make a car seem worth more money. With a Yugo, they add miles
to try and convince you it really will go that far!

25) "Optimist" defined: A Yugo owner with a radar detector.

26) Q. Why do Yugo owners never carry a map?
A. It'll never get far enough to get lost!

27) Did you hear about the Yugo/pedestrian accident? ...Poor Yugo

28) "Yugo missed out on a great slogan when Doritos took it first:
'Crunch all you want. We'll make more!'" - Steve Geyer

29) Q: What do you call the shock absorbers inside a Yugo?
A: Passengers.

30) The new Yugo has an air bag. When you sense an impending accident, start pumping real fast

31) Yu*go (yoo-go)
n. 1) Small, economical, Yugoslavian-built automobile.
2) 4x4 hood ornament.
adj. 1) What dosen't happen when you press the accelerator

32)Q. How do you fix a broken Yugo?
A. 1) Lift off the radiator cap.
2) Push off cliff.
3) and drive brand-new one underneath radiator cap.
(30-mile/3-day warranty included!)

Seeing as how my father owned 5 of them at one point, I am somewhat familiar with their crappiness.

Anyway, my $.02, yet again. 'later

heh... #1

the 1999 Kia Sephia.... and I'm 100% dead serious

My sister bought one brand new. She owned it for 4 years and must of had it into the dealership ATLEAST 30-40 times in that time frame.

not only was it not reliable... but it also had one of the worst/cheepest interiors I've ever seen on an automobile. The sheet metal was thin, it was gutless, the paint sucked. I can't say that I hate a whole lot... but I deffinitly HATED that car lol

what a pile...

I believe she got about 2K trade in on it when she got her minivan (my brother in law actually wanted the minivan after the piece) lol

Hi Katshot

If you take a look to the left at my location I think you will agree I have probably worked on more English cars than you have had hot dinners ;)

Perhaps you have only ever gotten to work on the bad ones, you mentioned Lucas, by that do you mean you worked on Jaguars :D which have probably the worst electrical system on any car ever produced, it would be a bit like me only ever having worked on an '87 Cadillac Deville 4.1 liter (A friend of mine has one :( )saying all American cars are JUNK, which as you know is not true.

On a recent trip to Philadelphia looking around the parking lots I was suprised to see no end of Land Rovers, they even appead to out number, Chevy and Ford SUVs so I geuss not all British cars are junk.

Regards

Dereck

Hmmm....Every car is beautiful to someone! But I'm not sure about the Yugo!

Hi Katshot

If you take a look to the left at my location I think you will agree I have probably worked on more English cars than you have had hot dinners ;)

Perhaps you have only ever gotten to work on the bad ones, you mentioned Lucas, by that do you mean you worked on Jaguars :D which have probably the worst electrical system on any car ever produced, it would be a bit like me only ever having worked on an '87 Cadillac Deville 4.1 liter (A friend of mine has one :( )saying all American cars are JUNK, which as you know is not true.

On a recent trip to Philadelphia looking around the parking lots I was suprised to see no end of Land Rovers, they even appead to out number, Chevy and Ford SUVs so I geuss not all British cars are junk.

Regards

Dereck

No, they're all junk alright, what you witnessed is a not-so-rare phenomenon in the states. Idiots trying to impress everyone else by driving expensive cars. Unfortunately, you'll see a lot of Hummers too and I think most will agree that THOSE pieces of crap have no business being on the road in the first place. Just because you see a lot of something doesn't necessarilly imply quality.
As for your working on a lot of English cars, just because you live in England, that doesn't mean that you work on cars at all. Hell, it doesn't necessarilly mean you even DRIVE them. For the sake of argument though, I'll assume that you do live in England, and DO work on English cars. I'll still stand behind my statement that English cars are some of the worst in the world.

As for your working on a lot of English cars, just because you live in England, that doesn't mean that you work on cars at all. Hell, it doesn't necessarilly mean you even DRIVE them. For the sake of argument though, I'll assume that you do live in England, and DO work on English cars. I'll still stand behind my statement that English cars are some of the worst in the world.
Your assumptions are close...he OWNS a car shop. He probably knows more about cars than 98% of the members here, too. I'll take his word. ;)

Hi All

Thanks Josh for the support :) it appears Katshot wants an unconstructive arguement ;)

Katshot said: "you'll see a lot of Hummers too and I think most will agree that THOSE pieces of crap have no business being on the road in the first place. "

Isn't the Hummer a Cadilllac Escalade with a different body?

Regards

Dereck

it appears Katshot wants an unconstructive arguement :shifty: I'm not saying a word :shifty:

The British, and most europeans have this quaint idea that you take care of your car, If the manual says change the left front hubcap every five thousand miles you change it every five thousand miles. Americans tend to just put in gas and drive. European cars don't hold up to well used like this.

Americans also tend to put on more miles than the average european. Sixty miles is a long way in England. people here in the SF bay area do one hundred twenty mile commutes to work every day.(home and back). This wears cars out that are made to be used in countries the size of Ohio.

But any car that needs three sets of tools to work on because it uses american, metric, and whitworth bolts, like my Rover 2000 did and multiple side draft carbs that need to be adjusted individually then syncronized, as well as having the oil in them topped off is just looking for trouble.

Lucas is truly the Prince of Darkness, but since getting my Mark VIII I know Sylvannia is the Crown Prince.

I've really been trying to stay out of this but now that we're talking Escalade, I'll jump in.

When the Hummer was introduced the joke was that you would never get lost in the woods because you could follow the trail of lost parts back out. Over priced loads of crap.

The Escalade on the other hand, has proven it's dependability for at least a few years now. Luxury, power, towing ability, ground clearance and looks.

Hummer = Dumb ass looking POS

Hi All

Thanks Josh for the support :) it appears Katshot wants an unconstructive arguement ;)

Katshot said: "you'll see a lot of Hummers too and I think most will agree that THOSE pieces of crap have no business being on the road in the first place. "

Isn't the Hummer a Cadilllac Escalade with a different body?

Regards

Dereck

The H-2 Hummer is on the same platform as the Chevy Tahoe,GMC Yukon, and sadly, yes the Cadillac Escalde. Part of the wonderful world of Badge-Engineering!
Mostly an American creation, which in recent years has spread throughout the world.
(Dereck,think SEAT/VW and the LADA/FIAT, Proton/Mitshubishi connections and you'll know what I mean.){If you didn't know already:)} Unfortunately, I live in a neighborhood in which I think it might be part of the covenant to have a large, hulking SUV as a requirement, especially if you have kids!
{{{ I have to retract all my other posts in this thread, to state that I must agree that the H-2 Hummer is the most repulsive beast on the road, ever in the history of ever!}}}

P.s. I love ticking off one neighbor of mine whenever we end up filling at a gas station we both are regulars at by saying very loudly "Thank God I only drive a Lincoln Town Car!" He drives an H-2, and you should see the glare he gives me;)!

Hi All

Thanks Josh for the support :) it appears Katshot wants an unconstructive arguement ;)

Katshot said: "you'll see a lot of Hummers too and I think most will agree that THOSE pieces of crap have no business being on the road in the first place. "

Isn't the Hummer a Cadilllac Escalade with a different body?

Regards

Dereck

Dereck,
Why do you say I'm looking for an arguement? I don't like British cars, That's MY opinion. There's always been a widely held opinion in the industry that British cars are sub-par, so what's the beef? The fact that you have a shop in England means nothing to me, I had one here for a while but don't think that it necessarilly means I'm an expert on anything. Sure, I'll admit that knowing you're a shop owner that actually works on cars lends some credibility to your statements but MY statement was meant to point out that just because you lived in England didn't mean you had any mechanical experience on English cars. See, MY statement came before knowing you had any real experience. Maybe if you had said that you were a "mechanic" in England rather then just saying you "lived" in England, there wouldn't have been any confusion.

Well, once again I must say that there is no reason to own a vehicle that size, and if it's for the seating capacity, then buy a bus. There is just no practical reason to own a 11 passenger vehicle.

The fact that the Escalade is built on the same platform as the Hummer is a total dis justice to Cadillac.

My question is, are we talking about the origional Hummer which was a real off road vehicle, or the glorified POS H2.

The H-2 Hummer is on the same platform as the Chevy Tahoe,GMC Yukon, and sadly, yes the Cadillac Escalde. Part of the wonderful world of Badge-Engineering!
Mostly an American creation, which in recent years has spread throughout the world.
(Dereck,think SEAT/VW and the LADA/FIAT, Proton/Mitshubishi connections and you'll know what I mean.){If you didn't know already:)} Unfortunately, I live in a neighborhood in which I think it might be part of the covenant to have a large, hulking SUV as a requirement, especially if you have kids!
{{{ I have to retract all my other posts in this thread, to state that I must agree that the H-2 Hummer is the most repulsive beast on the road, ever in the history of ever!}}}

P.s. I love ticking off one neighbor of mine whenever we end up filling at a gas station we both are regulars at by saying very loudly "Thank God I only drive a Lincoln Town Car!" He drives an H-2, and you should see the glare he gives me;)!

I thought it was very clear that I was talking about the H-2(orH2) {sorry,}
Hummer. You know the smaller, half-a$$ed, half-baked (non) version of the original.
Has anyone ever seen an H2 up close? The looks of the damned thing are far better than the quality of it's build(If you ask me!) and that's really saying A LOT! OOgly a$$ block of government cheese looking, low-rent Bling-Bling, reason that oil's $54.95 a barrel, payment as much as a house having,Security Mommy loving,Wheels of Tragedy sequel on the interstate causing M@+#3^F]<73R! (That's my opinion of the H2!)

BTW, I agree with you, Codewize.

Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you REALLY feel! ;)
Oh and BTW, I drove one and I'm not impressed. Slow, lethargic handling, gutless, hard to park, slow....(did I mention it was SLOW!?)

If you dont mind i'll throw my 2 cents in;I work for a BMW dealer and the car with the most problems without a doubt is the new 7 series.They are in here all the time for various updates(were on update 13+now) they had to warranty them for 6 years/100k
miles just to make them resellable on the used car market.I think we bought back as many 02"s as we sold.
thanks

How about the '70 s & '80s Jaguars. Or the series 1 & 2 Range Rover. The first v12 BMW's were terrible to.

greetings from Holland

Hga

cadillac cimarron..... cadillac hit bottom in the 80s

then there is the toyota tracel, 80-90s cutless sierra,

I had a 1989, Zimmer and it was the car from hell, literally! When we were driving it home, about 4 years ago, or there abouts, from Orlando Florida, one wheel center fell off, the seats quit working, but found out later that they only worked intermitantly, no heat in November, the trim on the passenger's door fell off, the carpet on the trunk lid fell off, in fact most everything only worked when it d#(& well felt like it. Oh yes and the worst thing was that we only made it as far back as Santa Rosa, New Mexico, which when you think about it that wasn't too bad as we live in the Albuquerque area, but we were darn lucky to get it that far. The first mechanic could not get it fixed, the second mechanic fixed a few more problems, the third mechanic found the spaghetti bowl of wireing-9 butt connectors on 3 leads, and the 4th mechanic found that something in the engine had gone out and got it fixed enough so that we could sell it and even then it was only a temporary fix and the guy who bought it drove it all the way back to Idaho, I think, and without a single problem. That car just did NOT want to live at our house. But one good thing on the car was that the radio and the clock worked, even though almost nothing else did. Does this qualify?

I have to say that I actually have some appreciateion for each of the cars lambasted here. The one I can't stand from any angle is the 'Aztek'. Just a real visual monstrosity to me.

I still have one of those 1988 BMW 750iL's you discribed as being problematic. I agree, and I disagree.

I was one of the first 12-cylinder BMW owners in the US. I had a 533i that I tried to hurt, but couldn't. I was so impressed that I bought the 750iL without test driving it. It was incredibly fast and handled like a much smaller car.

I took it home and let my wife drive it. She pulled the seat up to where it was comfortable for her and drove it around the sub. She pulled back in the driveway and went in the house to freshen up before a celebratory dinner. She tried to put the seat back for me (I'm 6'5" and she's 5'7") and it wouldn't move.

I crammed myself behind the wheel and fiddled with the switch. The seat moved all the way forward on its own to pin me up against the steering wheel. I managed to get the seat back to recline enough so that I could push myself into the huge back seat to escape the clutches of my new car.

The dealer brought me back my 533i and flatbedded the car back to the dealership. They fixed the seat but during the next two weeks had 25 different electrical problems. I was pissed. I had just paid a buttload of money for a freaked-out car. The windows would go up and down at will. The power mirrors would move if you hit a bump. I got deadbolted in the car once and had to crawl out through the window.

Turns out the car was not haunted. It had been taken apart by GM at the original BMW/GM dealership, in Texas. They took it apart to see what made it tick. I was told that they didn't exactly put it back together correctly. Apparently there were a lot of loose ground connections that caused all the phantoms.

BMW apologized profusely and offered to get me another car. I ordered the exact same car and drove the original, repaired, 750iL for 11,000 miles before the new car arrived. I didn't make it 6 miles from the dealership when the brand new radiator blew. I turned around and drove it steaming (me too!) back to the dealership where they determined that the manufacture of the radiator, Behr, had missed a weld on the aluminum core and had just painted over it. The paint held for the 200 miles the dealership put on the car testing it to make sure it was perfect.

While I was having a fit at the dealership they alerted BMW's Chicago office and a VP flew in to meet me at the dealership. He offered me a third car. I told him he would have to further convince me by showing me where they were built.

BMW flew my wife and I, First Class, on Luftansia to Munich where we were pick up at the airport in the Chairman's limo. We were taken to a 5-star hotel on Konigstrasse where we freshen up. The driver turned out to be an up and coming executive who wanted to practice his English. We really messed him up with some of our idioms.

We got a tour of the engine plant where they make the V-12 and the M-series motors. Then they gave us a tour of the 7-series assembly plant. Then we had lunch in the Chairman's private lunchroom. My wife had a 325ix so she wanted to see where they made the 3 series cars.

It was late in the day when we went to the European Delivery new car center. They brought my car out and put it under some very bright lights for a final scrutiny and found two small nicks in the door paint. They refused to let me take a less than perfect car so the limo driver made an executive decision and assigned himself and the Chairman's car to us for the weekend.

We had the best tour of Germany, Lichtenstein, Switzerland and some other places at BMW's expense. We went to crazy Ludwig's castles and museums and zoos and many other beautiful places.

When we picked up the perfect car on Monday we asked the new friend/tour guide if he'd like to join us for the rest of our two week European tour and he agreed, only if BMW would pick up the tab. We allowed him to do so.

To make a very long story shorter, let me say that I still have that car today. It has 72,000 miles on it and it has never let me down. The only problem I had, when it was 15 years old, was the failure of the digital dashboard. It only read out in German for about a month before it died completely.

All in all I'd say that I'm a pretty satisfied customer.

Barry

Mark II convertible (http://members.cardomain.com/barry2952)

If you dont mind i'll throw my 2 cents in;I work for a BMW dealer and the car with the most problems without a doubt is the new 7 series.They are in here all the time for various updates(were on update 13+now) they had to warranty them for 6 years/100k
miles just to make them resellable on the used car market.I think we bought back as many 02"s as we sold.
thanks


heh... I watched a consumer reports show about a year ago (maybe not even that long ago) and they said that the Ford Focus is built better and more reliable than a BMW 7 seriers lol

just thought that was funny

I have to say that I actually have some appreciateion for each of the cars lambasted here. The one I can't stand from any angle is the 'Aztek'. Just a real visual monstrosity to me.

:iconcur:

Now that is something that is just Butt Ugly!!! I'd take a Pacer over an Aztek LOL. Now I know that Ugly doesn't make it the worse car but that thing. Ahhhhhh...

But always remember somewhere there is someone who is so proud to drive one!!!!

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I'd rather drive an Aztek than an H2 Hummer though. ( even the 2000 model with that gray cockroach-like body cladding.)

I'd rather drive an Aztek than an H2 Hummer though. ( even the 2000 model with that gray cockroach-like body cladding.)

I'd rather get a Hummer than drive one :rolleyes:

I'd rather get a Hummer than drive one :rolleyes:
Good point, If, for some freakish event of nature I was given an H2, I'd take it, THEN I'd turn around and sell the POS to some Soccer Mom Wannabe in my neighborhood for some outrageously low price, even then I'd still get my money's worth! (Hopefully it'd be to this couple down the street that lets their litter run amok through the neighborhood at all hours (NO BS!) and still does not understand the concept of disciplining the little rug-munchers! It'd serve them right! Hell, I'd even swallow the almost 10-grand (in taxes) and give it to them!)

Good point, If, for some freakish event of nature I was given an H2, I'd take it, THEN I'd turn around and sell the POS to some Soccer Mom Wannabe in my neighborhood for some outrageously low price, even then I'd still get my money's worth! (Hopefully it'd be to this couple down the street that lets their litter run amok through the neighborhood at all hours (NO BS!) and still does not understand the concept of disciplining the little rug-munchers! It'd serve them right! Hell, I'd even swallow the almost 10-grand (in taxes) and give it to them!)

Understand the feeling....

I'm a little late here, but I had a 88 Aries K but it was special, my parents were federal agents and it was a gov't issued k car... it had a "2.6 HEMI I-4" this f'n car was crazy, I think it had a little turbo too... my dad bought the car since he had the opportunity after so many milies they put it on Auction and since it was his, they let him just keep it, so I inherited it. This car kicked the crap out of countless number of sports cars and the like on the highway...

1988 Dodge Aries K Government Issued Edition actually got me into Hot-Rodding

I'd rather drive an Aztek than an H2 Hummer though. ( even the 2000 model with that gray cockroach-like body cladding.)
Guess you don't care for the Chevy Avalanches either? My husband had to have one, and I hated them at first. Now after having it almost 3 years, I can see the benefits of the cladding and love the whole truck.

Suprisingly, I've always liked the Avalanche. The cladding looks as it belongs on it and fits in with the design. However, on ALL the Pontiacs the cladding looks as if it was little more than a tacked-on afterthought. ESPECIALLY the 2000-ish Aztecs and Bonnevilles. The Bonnevilles look way better since they took off C-3po's earthly remains off it in '02-03. :rolleyes:

I'm a little late here, but I had a 88 Aries K but it was special, my parents were federal agents and it was a gov't issued k car... it had a "2.6 HEMI I-4" this f'n car was crazy, I think it had a little turbo too... my dad bought the car since he had the opportunity after so many milies they put it on Auction and since it was his, they let him just keep it, so I inherited it. This car kicked the crap out of countless number of sports cars and the like on the highway...

1988 Dodge Aries K Government Issued Edition actually got me into Hot-Rodding

I wonder if that's the same motor as in the Omni GLH? Don't really know too much about them except they Go Like H-e-double-hockeysticks!
When I was in high school, my friends that lived in the same area as I would take turns car-pooling each week. And a buddy of mine had one,in fact I think he fooled his parents into getting it because all they saw was the OMNI part if you catch my drift....I know this was like, 15 years ago, but that little car was BADDDDD!!!!

i think the wort car ever had to be anything with a Chevy 3.1 in it. They didn't run well, were gas hogs, and never looked right. example: Camaro, Corsica (corsi-crap), and a few cavaliers. If you want to see a good looking Yugo, check out my homepage, http://members.cardomain.com/saturn17901
there is a lifted yugo somewhere in there. But I also have to say a very bad car is the 1983-1988 Monte Carlo SS. When they aren't in the shop, they're fast as sin, but that is only like 2 weeks a year.

i think the wort car ever had to be anything with a Chevy 3.1 in it. They didn't run well, were gas hogs, and never looked right. example: Camaro, Corsica (corsi-crap), and a few cavaliers. If you want to see a good looking Yugo, check out my homepage, http://members.cardomain.com/saturn17901
there is a lifted yugo somewhere in there. But I also have to say a very bad car is the 1983-1988 Monte Carlo SS. When they aren't in the shop, they're fast as sin, but that is only like 2 weeks a year.
I have a chevy 3.1 right now in the 90 Grand Prix... that sucker does an avg 30mpg city/hiway 160hp easy.... I love that f'n motor! 112k miles and tighter than a virgin on prom nite!

Monte SS? Like my 83 Grand Prix?

You're experience with the 3.1 and the Monte tells me someone is driving a little too hard on passenger cars.

Monte Carlo SS FAST?! EEK! They only had 305's for God sake. My freind dumped his 305 and installed a 350 out of a police car and the car was STILL SLOW! My bone stock LSC used to romp on it.

I didn't say it was fast. I called it a passenger car...

I didn't say it was fast. I called it a passenger car...

Not you, Caddyshack.

i never owned a 3.1, but several of my friends have. that is what i base my conclusions on, as the 3.1s in their cars don't last. as for being too hard on passenger cars, the two i couldn't kill were passenger cars, both being GM. I wrapped one around a tree doing 85, and it didn't stall. it was an 85 cutlass with a 3.0 motor, and it still can be driven to this day. Im not to hard on my cars, but my friends don't know how to treat them. thats why their 3.1s don't last, and they are not good engines. for every time my cutlass was in the shop, they were in ten times. there may be a few good ones out there, yes, but the majority of the 3.1s are lemons.