http://members.shaw.ca/freedomseven/pentagonlies.swf

The University of Indiana did an exhaustive re-creation of the accident using several super-computers over several weeks to see what happens to a jet travelling 400 mph and hitting a solid object.

Remember the jet that crashed in the everglades? The whole jet fit into a 15 foot deep hole. It wasn't even visible from the ground. You had to dig to find it.

A plane travelling that fast hitting 2 feet of reinforced concrete is like the fuselage being a sausage skin and the rest of the innards (passengers) being the meat.

I looked at this thing for 3 weeks and everytime I found something that didn't look right, I found out other info that proved otherwise.

The re-creation of the accident by the engineering geeks was convincing to me.

It's amazing how much info there is on this subject. Reallly makes you think. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the whole story.

Actually I think there's a massive conspiracy like so many believe. But the plane itself and all its passengers was abducted by aliens so they can use the bodies as hosts to better facilitate assimilation. Resistance is futile.

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Actually I think there's a massive conspiracy like so many believe. But the plane itself and all its passengers was abducted by aliens so they can use the bodies as hosts to better facilitate assimilation. Resistance is futile.

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Come on Rich. Drink the Kool-Aid. It is so refreshing. Isn't it?

Eventhough the Airliner DID hit the Pentagon (Yeah right) then please explain why the windows directly above the point of impact are STILL IN TACT? THE TAIL WAS 44 feet 6 inches. There would be Wing shardes, skin, etc. Also the planes fusulage is over 50 feet around, yet the hole is 20 feet tall? Let me guess the plane SHRUNK in circumfrence prior to impact right? This is so BLACK & WHITE yet so many refuse to believe, what a shame.

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/impact2_477px_loupe.jpg

Thats right where the tail section would have left some kind of destruction directly above the impact hole. C'mon now. Its basic physics. An idiot can see it.

Where is the sausage skin of the plane if what you say happened? Where is ANY part of the plane? Where is the engines? They would have struck the building approximately 45 feet on either side from the impact hole? There are NO marks on the building from them? Nor engines at all? C'MON NOW! Open yor friggin eyes!

My friend Phil Derer's father is a 30 year former Military man who has flown all types of Aircraft and is still a hobbyist pilot today, when this happened the first thing he said is "It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to bank and level a pane of that size to be 2 feet off the ground!"

Wheres the Geeks report? Id love to read it.

Well, for one thing that picture isn't very clear. And if the plane is 50 ft. in circumference, that would make the diameter 16 ft. And looking just now at the specs of a Boeing 757, it's actually just 12 1/2 ft in diameter. You were also asking about where certain parts of the plane were. I'm no engineer, but when the plane hit the WTC on film, it looked like the building just swallowed it. I've seen the video of the explosion at the Pentagon. You can make out something streaking into the Pentagon right before it blew up. If you take into account that the pentagon is 77 ft. tall and the size of the object streaking towards it, it's obvious the object is huge. We don't have any missiles in our inventory that are that big, including an ICBM. Here it is: Keep in mind that the Pentagon is not 1 or 2 stories tall, it's almost 80 ft tall. That object looks to be every bit of 15 ft. in diameter in the first frame of that video even though it is quite blurry due to the speed of the object (500mph?). And in the second frame I can plainly make out the tail fin.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pentagon21b.gif

Also note that in that second frame the explosion has already started. That would make the object over 100 ft long using the Pentagon again as a reference. That means the object hitting the Pentagon had to be about 15 ft. in diameter and over 100 ft. long. That alone blows the missile theory out of the water. You guys believing that crap need to wake up and listen to that voice of common sense that I know is inside of you and give up this nonsense cause it's just a viscious, lying cancer that's eating away at your judgment.

Wheres the Geeks report? Id love to read it.
Your wish is my command.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

Your wish is my command.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html
Thank you Sir. Again why didnt the vertical tail, wings or both engines leave a mark on the building or break windows?

Don't know. But I can show you pics of the World Trade Centers where the windows directly above and below the impact area were not broken. Would that help?

If indeed it was a missle, what happened to the plane that disappeared off radar? Why haven't we been able to find it elsewhere?

I'm no engineer, but I've been around the construction industry long enough to question why the windows above the entry point aren't broken. It certainly appears that the building was pierced and then blew outward. However, how could a missle be fired at the Pentagon without being detected?

While I agree with MonsterMark compaction thoery, they found all the debris from that plane. Where are the engines from the Pentagon plane? The engines are so hearty that they would survive a 500mph impact. At least recognizable traces would remain.

A lot of unanswered questions.

Geno,


Here's what happens to a jet at 500 mph. Turns to dust. I have seen the after pics of the wall and it is barely touched, although it was moved back about 3 feet.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html

Geno,


Here's what happens to a jet at 500 mph. Turns to dust. I have seen the after pics of the wall and it is barely touched, although it was moved back about 3 feet.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.htmlI'd love to see the wall afterwards. I would guarantee there was a tell tale mark for the tail and the wings. Still doesnt explain why a 20 foot tall tail didn't do ANY damage to the above portions of the windows or building. The engines WOULD have left a serious mark as well as the wings being full of over 5000 gallons of fuel. BS!

The missle wouldn't have been detected somply because it was fired about a billionth of a second before impact, watch the video closely.

Also look at the government video closely, the VERY one the pentagon released. There is NO 757 flying in at all, the 757 was CHROME! The Jet in that video reflects the exact sillouhette of a F-16 that is BLACK! Plus LOOK HOW SMALL the plane is in their video compared to a 757.

Here ya go, now PAY attention.

Again heres the first pics of the damage. PLEASE look directly above the entrance hole, IT IS PRISTINE! NOW what happened to the 22 ft tail? Please tell me how it can hit the building at 530 mph and NOT leave a single physical trace? NOT A SINGLE CHIP in the concrete? C'mon now. Also why would that piece of the building be hanging there if something that large would have hit it?

Heres a great quote.


And here, even more significant, there is still a
vestige of column 14 hanging on the second floor.
And one more thing, Watson, do you see any
evidence at all that the giant tail fin of an airliner
that seats up to 224 passengers, with a stated
tail height of 44 ft 6 in, anywhere at all caused
damage to column 14 above the second floor
of this five story, 71 ft high building?
You're right, Watson, it is preposterous.


http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/impact2_477px_loupe.jpg

Just pretend this wasn't the Pentagon that was hit, just any old building. Then you were showed this evidence, then what would you think?

Open your eyes people.

I honestly don't know what happened. I am really confused on this one. I lean towards the most plausible which is a jetliner struck the building because it is irrefutable that 3 other planes that day also crashed into things.

I honestly don't know what happened. I am really confused on this one. I lean towards the most plausible which is a jetliner struck the building because it is irrefutable that 3 other planes that day also crashed into things.
Ok but they came it hit 2 feet above the ground too right? Well heres the plane scaled at 10 feet above the ground and the engines are already dragging in the ground, also like my Pilot buddy said there is NO WAY IN HOLY HELL ANYONE could have leveled that thing off at those speeds in the short distance from the highway to the building, its simple and black & white.

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/images/simulation1.jpg

I'm with Bryan on this one. So where's the missing plane?

Geno,

Here are some more pics of plane parts at the site. Notice the first and last pics of the wheel.

Believe what you want Bry. Physics and common sense wins this one. LOOK AT THE DAMAGE!

I told you I'm riding the fence on this one. Usually I'm a black and white guy. This one has me stumped.

In ALL honesty me too. But I have been so deep into this since I found out about it that it is mind blowing to say the least but not anywhere near unreal.

That model picture you posted Geno is not scaled properly. In particular, the plane is too big. I found another site that said the pentagon is 71 ft. tall and a 757 is 45 ft. tall on its landing gear. So take off a few feet since the engines were almost dragging. Put a ruler to the fuselage of the plane. The diameter is 12 1/2 ft. You'll find that the pentagon in that model is almost exactly 4 of those fuselage diameter lengths, which would only make the building 50 ft tall. So that model is at least 20 ft off for the height of the pentagon. And the pics I've looked at look like there's a lot of damage along a broad section on the first floor, which is probably where the wings hit. If the wings hit at 14 ft high, that would put it at the top of the first floor, demolishing everything below.

Not to mention the fact that the object in the video is as big as a 757.