this was shot about 2 years ago when my car looked stock but had exhaust, intake and nitrous on it check it out my car is a little different than most ls's because i made everything myself http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoID=1042614276

makes me want nitrous now... What nintrous kit do you have, and did you install it urself?
BTW, what springs do you have on ur car now(in ur gallery), looks low

awsome vid, i have a 2000 v6 5spd. how did ur car catch posi, mine never does. what wheels on there?

that was when my car had stock wheels on it (17inch) now I have 19 inch hp racing storms usually my car gets posi we added some friction modifier to the rear end that helps intrax springs i used nos powershot solenoids 1 fuel 1 n20 then i used premade stainless steel line (brakelines work ) got a elbow fitting adapter for my fuel rail from the local performance shop used a zex bottle(painted it cause purple is ugly) and a nos microswitch mounted under the gas pedal for wide open thottle activation i did it all myself jetted it for 80 horse like you would for a 5.0 mustang posted couple new pics in gallery of underhood

what friction modifier did you use?
i use royal purple 75-140 full syntechtic

pretty sure it was but its been a few years since i did that clutch packs go out in the rear that may be why you dont get posi mine still does usually but not always if your moving forward it should

hey, your in hazelwood mo. i was just there visiting some family, they live on riderwood. car sounds real good and fast.

this was shot about 2 years ago when my car looked stock but had exhaust, intake and nitrous on it check it out my car is a little different than most ls's because i made everything myself http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoID=1042614276

That was sick!!.. what RPM do you have the N2O engage at? and is your car 5 spd or were u shifting SST? Whats your whole set up, XCal, WBC etc.?

what friction modifier did you use?
i use royal purple 75-140 full syntechtic

whats a "friction modifier"?

v6 5 speed friction modifier is a special rearend gear lube that assists the limited slip usually when you do a gear swap its vital but when all you get is one wheelie peelie its always a good idea to change the rearend fluid and use a good friction modifier lube to enhance clutch pack engagement the setup on my car consists of a true cold air intake that i fabbed from a piece of pipe off a different car i removed my air box and cut a hole underneath where it was for the pipe to pass through and get air outside the engine bay. i mated it to my mass air with a flange that i purchased from duratec performance a few years ago my exhaust consists of resonators like the ones on a new chevy truck that my friend and i pulled from his muffler shop and all custom 2&1/2 piping going back to a pair of skunk2 mufflers n20 is made from nos solenoids a zex bottle and prefabbed stainless lines like brake lines its a wet kit 80 horse(same jetting as 5.0 mustang according to nos) it activates through a switch in the car then all i do is floor it and the microswitch is mounted to the gas pedal mount so i spray right off the line but that is hard to do with my 19's i need an excalibrator but dont know much about them i ran a smaller gapped spark plug for the nitrous it runs pretty good car was stolen and since then ive had a few problems its making a loud noise from the engine but its running perfect havent driven it in a while not sure whats wrong need help

v6 5 speed friction modifier is a special rearend gear lube that assists the limited slip usually when you do a gear swap its vital but when all you get is one wheelie peelie its always a good idea to change the rearend fluid and use a good friction modifier lube to enhance clutch pack engagement the setup on my car consists of a true cold air intake that i fabbed from a piece of pipe off a different car i removed my air box and cut a hole underneath where it was for the pipe to pass through and get air outside the engine bay. i mated it to my mass air with a flange that i purchased from duratec performance a few years ago my exhaust consists of resonators like the ones on a new chevy truck that my friend and i pulled from his muffler shop and all custom 2&1/2 piping going back to a pair of skunk2 mufflers n20 is made from nos solenoids a zex bottle and prefabbed stainless lines like brake lines its a wet kit 80 horse(same jetting as 5.0 mustang according to nos) it activates through a switch in the car then all i do is floor it and the microswitch is mounted to the gas pedal mount so i spray right off the line but that is hard to do with my 19's i need an excalibrator but dont know much about them i ran a smaller gapped spark plug for the nitrous it runs pretty good car was stolen and since then ive had a few problems its making a loud noise from the engine but its running perfect havent driven it in a while not sure whats wrong need help

Your first sentance was chinese to me. I have an 05 V8 w/ basic mods, and a ZEX set up for 50-100 shot. What advantage would i have in getting a "friction modifier", and where would i get it? By the way, do you have a 1/4 time for it yet?

yo van, go to your local perfromance shop that does rearend gears etc. and ask them about the friction modifier basically you drain your rearend and refill it with new fluid including the royal purple friction modifier i wish i could post my timeslips but i kept them in my cd case and i was car jacked last year everything gone but with the stock 17inch wheels and some bfg kdw tires it went 13.56 at 102.3mph averaged about 13.90 though with the 19's on it, it doesnt do as well need drag radials averages 14.0 at 100 with 2.9 60 foot times<-crappy your car is pretty sick man i tried to add you on myspace

yo van, go to your local perfromance shop that does rearend gears etc. and ask them about the friction modifier basically you drain your rearend and refill it with new fluid including the royal purple friction modifier i wish i could post my timeslips but i kept them in my cd case and i was car jacked last year everything gone but with the stock 17inch wheels and some bfg kdw tires it went 13.56 at 102.3mph averaged about 13.90 though with the 19's on it, it doesnt do as well need drag radials averages 14.0 at 100 with 2.9 60 foot times<-crappy your car is pretty sick man i tried to add you on myspace

Thanks for the compliment man i appreciate it... Does the friction modifier make a bid difference? and to what (helps the rear last longer through the stress it will take under juice)? what the average cost?

the friction modifier is the only thing you can do to unless we can find an aftermarket posi unit to fit our cars which i havent found my rearend has held up good ive been spraying for 3 years when i first put it on and was under warranty i sprayed the :q:q:q:q out of it just to see if it could take almost a bottle a day no kidding just make sure you can get everything off the car so nobody at the dealer will know it was there and have some fun

At the last meeting LLSOC had in detroit the Ford engineers seemed to all believe that the transmission in the manual V6 was the weakest link in thew drive train. If that's still holding up, I wouldn't worry much about the pumpkin detonating.

the tranny is crap its a getrag it held up with me power shifting on the bottle for two years now the 3rd gear fork is a little rounded so must granny shift until i get another one i built it to drive so what can you do you know ive put 40,000 miles on it since i got it and it sees over a hundred miles an hour everytime i drive it i love it to bad its limited to 140 these cars get a bad rap i drive mine very hard and have had minor issues pretty much basic maintanance.... coils,ball joints, thermostat. the v6 5 speed is just an awesome car no traction control no computer control over the way you drive get in dump the clutch and go just the way i like it

Hey XxbmxlsxX, your car looks sweet with those 19's. What size tires do you run? I just put my 19's on this week. I have 255/40's on the rear and 245/40's on the front. Do you what offset you have on those wheels too? Thanks.

so bmx, is ur car faster than quick ls?

That's a crazy ass LS, that's faster than the V8 for sure.

i dont know how fast quiks is he seems to have his stuff together though mine has never been tuned yet i still need to buy an excalibrator2 and give it a go got to many projects, between cars, work and riding my bike im stretched pretty thin

Personally i think nitrous is for punks. Without nitrous that V6 is the farthest thing from fast (220 hp?). I'd much rather have a stock V8 with its power than that car that'll be toast soon. Nitrous kinda reminds me of a skinny punk kid who acts tough because he carries a gun or something. I'm glad i dont live in St. Louis. Been car jacked? Shocking.

well its a good thing that i happen to be a skinny punk but i dont carry a gun

Man, my bad. I need to go back and correct myself. I said 220 hp...you have a 2000 LS....210 hp. Hahahahaha

Man, my bad. I need to go back and correct myself. I said 220 hp...you have a 2000 LS....210 hp. Hahahahaha

Why do you always act like an A$$hole?

It is ridiculous.

Didn't your mother ever tell you?

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Talk about stereotypes!! Nitrous reminds you of a skinny punk carrying a gun?!

Have you ever been to a race track dickhead? You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are just trying to be a prick.

Bottom line.

Act like an adult or go sit in the corner for a timout!

And P.S.

That V6 with smoke your '05 V8!


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P.S.S.

Pre-SC that V6 is much faster. I think Quik was running 1/4's in excess of 14.5....

Quik please correct me.

Post-SC it may be a very different story once it is tuned properly. Only time will tell....

Nope, never been to a track. Dont care. Dont care about nitrous, or time slips or reaction times or 60ft times or 1/4 mi. times or any of that. And your right, i am being a dick. So what. Homeboy stated that he drives 100 mph daily, goes thru a bottle a day...is that ok in your mind? Its not in mine, so i state my dickhead opinion. Thats a punk driving like an ass. His V6 will smoke my V8...who cares. He has a 7 year old base model LS. Doesnt impress me. I dont care what crap he hooks up to it. If i told you i was a national arm wrestling champion, can curl 200 lbs and could out armwrestle anyone on this forum....would you care? No. Armwrestling isnt an interest of yours. But if i threw in peoples face that i could pin your scrawny ass arm anyday wouldnt that sound stupid to you. It would. Bottom line is there is a fine line between a weekend track guy and stupid ass kids who race around on the streets. And i guess i am jumping the gun but i AM going to assume thats the type of person he is. If having a faster car is a big deal in your life then you are either a poser or making up for something else in your life. Either you are a single young kid yourself or are one of the poser's out there driving like assh*les. Trust me, when you get alittle older, a little more mature and have a family, wife and kids, it SHOULD piss you off when you see that sh!t going on. I see it all the time, its in the news all the time that idiots like that run over pedestrians, run into cars, and there was a kid who ran over a woman pushing her baby in a stroller. That kind of sh!t is f*cked up. Could this kid live his whole life and not have that happen...sure. But if you dont drive like an ass then it sure as hell isnt going to happen.


PS....i dont armwrestle

PSS... Dont live thru others cars. Who cares what "quik" did. The V6 LS is a dog. Period. I drove one for a year.

PSSS... Just for you pumpkin i'll make sure i am the dickhead of this forum. I'm cool with that.

Yep, sounds like a a$$hole to me, your just pissed that he can smoke your a$$. And if you want the arm wrestling form, some will find one to shut you up.





Bottom line this is the LS forum, any and everything LS is talked about.You dont have to dog other people to make a point.

Nope, never been to a track. Dont care. Dont care about nitrous, or time slips or reaction times or 60ft times or 1/4 mi. times or any of that. And your right, i am being a dick. So what. Homeboy stated that he drives 100 mph daily, goes thru a bottle a day...is that ok in your mind? Its not in mine, so i state my dickhead opinion. Thats a punk driving like an ass. His V6 will smoke my V8...who cares. He has a 7 year old base model LS. Doesnt impress me. I dont care what crap he hooks up to it. If i told you i was a national arm wrestling champion, can curl 200 lbs and could out armwrestle anyone on this forum....would you care? No. Armwrestling isnt an interest of yours. But if i threw in peoples face that i could pin your scrawny ass arm anyday wouldnt that sound stupid to you. It would. Bottom line is there is a fine line between a weekend track guy and stupid ass kids who race around on the streets. And i guess i am jumping the gun but i AM going to assume thats the type of person he is. If having a faster car is a big deal in your life then you are either a poser or making up for something else in your life. Either you are a single young kid yourself or are one of the poser's out there driving like assh*les. Trust me, when you get alittle older, a little more mature and have a family, wife and kids, it SHOULD piss you off when you see that sh!t going on. I see it all the time, its in the news all the time that idiots like that run over pedestrians, run into cars, and there was a kid who ran over a woman pushing her baby in a stroller. That kind of sh!t is f*cked up. Could this kid live his whole life and not have that happen...sure. But if you dont drive like an ass then it sure as hell isnt going to happen.


PS....i dont armwrestle

PSS... Dont live thru others cars. Who cares what "quik" did. The V6 LS is a dog. Period. I drove one for a year.

PSSS... Just for you pumpkin i'll make sure i am the dickhead of this forum. I'm cool with that.

Your right except for the point structure.. Im getting my
N2O finished as we speak... and on the way home I will be hitting pedestrians... and I bet i get more points than you!!! by next week we'll tally them up.

1 point-----Male/female mid 30's (1/2 point if he/she lives)
2 points----elderly male/female over 60
3 points----Kid under 16 but over 7
4 points----baby in a stroller (if you get mom, double your score)
5 points----a cop (on duty)
6 points----run your @ss off the road into a cement divider (if you die i simply win)
7 points----if you can catch me after i do donuts on your front lawn while spraying.
8 points----if you catch me in your LS where your only mod is the factory "tripple black" (cause "black" just wasn't good enough). (Keep yourself in one peice after catching me "triple black" your score)

I think it will be fun....final numbers due 10am 8/26/06.
READY...SET...GO!!!!!

im 27 years old i live my own life most of my time is spent driving on highways because i dont live close to everything, so what if i cruise down the fast lane at a hundred(i said that when my car was under warranty i sprayed a bottle a day and that was just testing in controlled conditions near where i live) im not stupid i may be a punk but i dont speed through neighborhoods around kids or anything like that theres a difference between being wreckless and having fun and being responsible i love driving and the driving experience in the ls is awesome modifing it only adds to it i think everyone in here knows that
p.s. you want to comment on me being carjacked- i was stabbed with flathead screw drivers by five guys who were trying to steal my car when i woke up at my girls apartment one morning , it wasnt my fault, i was in the wrong place wrong time, and getting through things like that make me feel tough not using nitrous thats just for fun

I hate to be the ballbuster, but there is no way that dude with the V6 hit mid 13's with only a little over 300 hp at the crank while on the juice.

Low 14's yeah sure, but not mid 13's. He would need more power to do that. Especially if he was pulling 2.9 60' times then you know he isn't the most skilled driver either. I really hate it when people call BS on others but in this case I must be that person.


Just to give some of you an idea...

Quik's LS with the Eaton supercharger will pull a high 13 second 1/4 mile when done; whenever that is. Heck, it has been almost a year! :D Once it is done it will be a pretty respectable ride.

My 05 LS V8 has 100 progressive wetshot that made 320+rwhp and close to 350rwtq and it is only good for consistent low 13's and maybe crack high 12's on a good day.

Once VanDarela gets that Zex shot in his and is running the 100 shot he should be seeing the same times that I am; though mine will probably be a little quicker because of the progressive controller I wired in and programmed.

2.9 60 foots are with my nineteens on there and since then ive only done a best of 14 with my seventeens on with my good tires i managed a 1.3 60 foot like i said i wish i could scan my slips but they got stolen with my car i kept them in my cd case im no amateur driver either ive had 3 supercharged mustangs finishing number four right now im not blowin smoke i can leave the line at any rpm i want i dont have an auto dont worry ill get a new slip with a track video up soon

I hate to be the ballbuster, but there is no way that dude with the V6 hit mid 13's with only a little over 300 hp at the crank while on the juice.

Low 14's yeah sure, but not mid 13's. He would need more power to do that. Especially if he was pulling 2.9 60' times then you know he isn't the most skilled driver either. I really hate it when people call BS on others but in this case I must be that person.


Just to give some of you an idea...

Quik's LS with the Eaton supercharger will pull a high 13 second 1/4 mile when done; whenever that is. Heck, it has been almost a year! :D Once it is done it will be a pretty respectable ride.

My 05 LS V8 has 100 progressive wetshot that made 320+rwhp and close to 350rwtq and it is only good for consistent low 13's and maybe crack high 12's on a good day.

Once VanDarela gets that Zex shot in his and is running the 100 shot he should be seeing the same times that I am; though mine will probably be a little quicker because of the progressive controller I wired in and programmed.

What progressive controller...thats when it sprays bits at a time? is that something you buy or did you make it?

you buy it , summit sells them nos makes one edelbrock and jacobs all make them, you dont really need it unless you want it to come on gradually, i dont know if they will work with the zex , but i could be wrong never played with the zex

have you sprayed yours yet?

have you sprayed yours yet?

Today is the day my friend!! Its been in the works since march. I m new to N2O so i've been having a guy peicing it together for me little by little. what really held the project up was finding a way to tap into the fuel (i had bought the kit made specifically for the 05 stang), then the management box fried or came fried so i had to send it back to zex and that was a one month process. Im accually at the shop now waiting (using the guys wireless router to get an internet connection) from here i'll be going to fill the bottle for the first time and then down to the beach where there is about 20 miles open road and logging data into the WBC and Xcal to have Torrie tune it up. You mentioned you didn't have an XCal.... Torrie has them cheap www.fastpartsnetwork.com (excellent guy!) tell him the annoying kid with the juiced LS sent ya.:D

thanks dude good luck

2.9 60 foots are with my nineteens on there and since then ive only done a best of 14 with my seventeens on with my good tires i managed a 1.3 60 foot like i said i wish i could scan my slips but they got stolen with my car i kept them in my cd case im no amateur driver either ive had 3 supercharged mustangs finishing number four right now im not blowin smoke i can leave the line at any rpm i want i dont have an auto dont worry ill get a new slip with a track video up soon


Sorry dude but I race A LOT! First of all there is NO WAY you ever ran a 1.3 60' in an LS. That is 8-9 second drag car territory! And to supposedly go from a 2.9 to a 1.3 60' time by just changing rims/tires is a hoot too. I really hope your seriously mistaken or just woke up from a nap or something. Your car should probably pull a 2.0 flat 60' time with the nitrous. Maybe a 1.9 or so being that you have a manual and can launch it (assuming your tires will grip). The mid 13's are hard enough to swallow on just a V6 with bolt ons and then 80 shot. The claim of a 1.3 60' time is just purely ludicrous! hehehehe. My buddies of which most are running 600+rwhp with their Mustangs arent getting close to 1.3 60's and you think you are? I am sorry man but your talking to a seasoned racer who has been around the block more than a time or two. A lot of others may fall for what you just said but those of us who truly do race know how rediculous a claim of a 1.3 60' time is in your car, especially with the power your running. Dude, your not doing much more than a low 14 at best. Mid 13's with your power to weight ratio is out of the question. If your car is running mid 13's then my LS is running mid 12's being that I have much more horsepower at my wheels than you do at the crank.....Uuuum....No. not happening. ;)

What progressive controller...thats when it sprays bits at a time? is that something you buy or did you make it?



Being that nitrous solenoids operate only in open or closed mode the nitrous is either full on or full off. The progressive controller pulses them open and closed about the rate of 16 times per second (aka hertz). Depending on how much percentage of the shot I want to run at what RPM I can adjust it so that the shot comes on smoother. Smoother nitrous hit on an LS means less chance of breakage and also being able to control traction with the ramping of the nitrous hit. Mine is the NX/FJO Mini progressive nitrous controller. It is a nice piece of nitrous equipment that quite a few of us more serious nitrous users run.

This would work with your Zex kit also but you would have to yank all the Zex controlling electronics (WOT switch, RPM window switch, so on) and replace them with this unit.

Van. All you need to do is bump the timing down a few degrees and then jet the nitrous and fuel to get your A/F dead on. No real need to do a full retune for a wetshot being that your A/F is taken care of by the jets and the retarding of timing is taken care of by the on-device adjustability with the newer Xcal2's.

it could have been 1.8 i guess, thats been awhile and i donthave those slips, but last summer was 2.9 with my 19's cheap hancook 245/35 tires, on the bottle its never gone slower than 14.3 and always broke 100 mph my car is lighter my clutch has been upgraded and the tires that were on my seventeens were some of the best ive had besides slicks i would usually leave at 4k then engage the nitrous the moment i moved forward right off the line times arent as important to my as the cars that i have shamed its always good to have a nice kill list on or off the track even though i have a mustang it feels great to beat them

with that xcal does it come with a base? do you have to set everything? does it scan your codes also? im very interested in it i almost bought some sct pro tuner that used the laptop. anyone used that?

The mid 13's are hard enough to swallow on just a V6 with bolt ons and then 80 shot. Dude, your not doing much more than a low 14 at best. Mid 13's with your power to weight ratio is out of the question.

+1

Not trying to call you out - ...I am having trouble understanding these numbers...

- a 210hp V6 3,600lbs - is a high 15sec/low 16sec car
- adding 80hp to it makes it a 290hp car - very similar to the 280hp Lincoln LS V8 2003+ - which are high 14sec /low 15sec cars......

To be at 13.5 a 3800 pound car would need ~300HP at the wheels (ruff numbers)

not sure how adding a 80shot got a 210hp car into a ~380hp car range.

with that xcal does it come with a base? do you have to set everything? does it scan your codes also? im very interested in it i almost bought some sct pro tuner that used the laptop. anyone used that?

When buying the XCalibrator2 from a tuner - you get the unit and three tunes. These tunes are base on your specific PCM codes and are the tuner's 'best guess' at performance gains - so you'll want to use a tuner that has done many LSes.

The unit can read and clear DTCs.

The unit can store logging on the unit or act as a connector to your laptop using LiveLink data logging software. It also has an analog input for a wide-band O2 sensor.

The unit offers 'some' end-user adjustably to things like injector size, timing, tire ratio, ... but it will depend on your tuner and tune on how these things make sense for you to adjust.


SCT's Pro-Racer Package is a complete package that the pro-tuners use (only limited to a single PCM code). Very complex and powerful. I believe Rocket is using it himself - me - I use tuners to do my tuning....

+1

Not trying to call you out - ...I am having trouble understanding these numbers...

- a 210hp V6 3,600lbs - is a high 15sec/low 16sec car
- adding 80hp to it makes it a 290hp car - very similar to the 280hp Lincoln LS V8 2003+ - which are high 14sec /low 15sec cars......

To be at 13.5 a 3800 pound car would need ~300HP at the wheels (ruff numbers)

not sure how adding a 80shot got a 210hp car into a ~380hp car range.
Sorry Quick, but the V6 MTX is a very different annimal than the auto V8, The gearing is different in the tranny, I regurlarly hit 75mph in 2nd gear in mine, and seeing that he's got an aftermarket exhaust=25-30 HP (You wouldn't believe how small the factory exhaust is on the '00 V6! something like 1.5 inch pipes, that's why there is a bigger HP gain on the '00 V6 than the V8) and a CAI=10 + HP on the '00V6, and an Xcal tune=10+HP, plus the 80 shot, I'd say he's looking at +-340 at the crank and +-275 at the wheels.

Sorry Quick, I'd say he's looking at +-340 at the crank and +-275 at the wheels.

no sorry about it - at 275rwph - still not likely a 13.5 car right?

Sorry Quick, but the V6 MTX is a very different annimal than the auto V8, The gearing is different in the tranny, I regurlarly hit 75mph in 2nd gear in mine, and seeing that he's got an aftermarket exhaust=25-30 HP (You wouldn't believe how small the factory exhaust is on the '00 V6! something like 1.5 inch pipes, that's why there is a bigger HP gain on the '00 V6 than the V8) and a CAI=10 + HP on the '00V6, and an Xcal tune=10+HP, plus the 80 shot, I'd say he's looking at +-340 at the crank and +-275 at the wheels.


The gearing, while it does help, does not provide the missing link here. An exhaust that gains 25-30 hp??? Um, HECK NO. hehehehe. I would like to see an exhaust that gains that much over stock. You say that the stocker exhaust is very restrictive, but not THAT much. 1.5" pipes on a V6 are pretty much the standard and while they may be restrictive to a point; they are not restrictive enough to gain 30 hp by bolting on an aftermarket exhaust. 1.75" pipes are regularly used on a lot of V8's. The gain with an aftermarket exhaust is going to be anywhere between 15-20 hp. Like I said before. Low 14's at best. Maybe scraping high 13's with a stiff tailwind on a cold fall day. As for the 60' times... Well I already said my piece on that one. Just too many holes on the story from what I have seen.

Shoot, I wish I was wrong. If I were then instead of my 12.9 ET that I am planning to hit this fall with the LS I would be in the mid 12's. Though I wish a mid 12 second pass would happen, I know it is a pipe dream. hehe.

SCT's Pro-Racer Package is a complete package that the pro-tuners use (only limited to a single PCM code). Very complex and powerful. I believe Rocket is using it himself - me - I use tuners to do my tuning....

I have a friend in the SHO world using that software, I thought it would be hard to understand but i was wrong. He made some nice strides with modifing the tune recieved from the a SHO vendor. He does say you need a wide band O2 sensor though.

I will most definately go this route... :D

im not here to argue horsepower and quarter mile times dont always add up fox body mustangs(5speeds) rated at 210hp with slicks will run 13.1 ive done and seen it done. all i know is when i bought my ls 4 years ago i couldnt believe how similar it was to driving my 91 mustang, except for the improved cornering, braking, and all the luxuries. i dont know if im doing something different or if im just lucky. but ive beat many cars that should have walked me. i drove six or seven v8s before i bought this and even though the car felt good it had to much computer control over the driving. my v6 has none of that. i also dont have some filter bolted to mass air and calling it a cold air. my filter is just above the ground with 3 inch pipe feeding it up to mass air. once i did that my car drove alot different. i removed my air silencer, thats where my nozzle is connected. so ive really icreased the airflow into and out of this motor. im not saying you dont know what your talking about but i do think there are variables being overlooked. im going to get some drag radials on my 19's then ill post a track video up here until then id like to know what cars everyone has raced and beaten. heres my kill list.

2003 subaru wrx sti-- used nitrous raced at a light on the street beatem by 3
2004 gto-- used nitrous at the track he ran 14.0 i ran 13.8
1997 cobra convertable--raced all motor on the street i won by a nose
1998 integra gsr built with n2o--used bottle at track he ran 14.2 i went 14.13
1991 mustang cam,heads,gears--used bottle on street won by 2 cars
1998 c5 vette w/4.10 gears,exhaust--bottle on street won by 4 cars at least
numerous imports at the track or on the street my fav is the gto just because the announcer at track said "ive got my money on the gto" brand new 400 horse car list your kills

2003 subaru wrx sti-- used nitrous raced at a light on the street beatem by 3
2004 gto-- used nitrous at the track he ran 14.0 i ran 13.8
1997 cobra convertable--raced all motor on the street i won by a nose
1998 integra gsr built with n2o--used bottle at track he ran 14.2 i went 14.13
1991 mustang cam,heads,gears--used bottle on street won by 2 cars
1998 c5 vette w/4.10 gears,exhaust--bottle on street won by 4 cars at least
numerous imports at the track or on the street my fav is the gto just because the announcer at track said "ive got my money on the gto" brand new 400 horse car list your kills


I won't bother talking anymore tech here as I have already said my piece.

Good kills on those cars. The GTO's, even the LS2's, are pretty slow. I have not personally driven one yet but i keep seeing that it is a PITA to launch them. Most GTO's I see at the track run low 14's and maybe a few touching high 13's with a good driver in stock form.

I have had a few good kills with mine, though for some reason whenever I am driving the LS the good competition is always driving the other way. hehe. I have taken out:

1995 Mustang w/ built 306 and other mods
2005 Mustang GT (mods unknown)
Various other cars at the track... I was too busy concentrating on launching rather than look over to see who I was racing.

Wish the list was bigger but I don't have much luck finding anyone that likes to have fun when I am in the LS. Now when I am in the Explorer it is different. Of course the Explorer has close to twice as much horsepower than the LS does on nitrous. I win a lot in the X. :D

awesome the best part is when the other driver is like "what is that?" alot of rednecks will be like "is that some sort of mitsubishi?" thats classic

2003 subaru wrx sti-- used nitrous raced at a light on the street beatem by 3
2004 gto-- used nitrous at the track he ran 14.0 i ran 13.8
1997 cobra convertable--raced all motor on the street i won by a nose
1998 integra gsr built with n2o--used bottle at track he ran 14.2 i went 14.13
1991 mustang cam,heads,gears--used bottle on street won by 2 cars
1998 c5 vette w/4.10 gears,exhaust--bottle on street won by 4 cars at least
numerous imports at the track or on the street my fav is the gto just because the announcer at track said "ive got my money on the gto" brand new 400 horse car list your kills
I count 4 street races there. Three of which using nitrous, and a cobra that you beat just on the motor...no way, maybe you were racing but he wasnt. If thats the case then i "beat" a SRT8 Charger yesterday. Odds were he wasnt trying to race and neither was i really. Anyway your still gonna claim that your not an a$$hole in the way you drive? Still gonna claim that your not just out to try to be a tuff guy? Not to mention that alot more people are now chiming in calling BS to your numbers. I dont know all that much about track times and such, but as far as internet forum postings go your claims mean 0. Slips got lost in the car jacking....ok. By the way, back to the car jacking, maybe if you didnt go around your town driving like a fool people wouldnt want to jack your car just to go take it for a joy ride. There are way too many posers on the internet that claim this and that to be cool. If someone wants to post horsepower numbers or increases after mods....post a dyno slip. If someone wants to say they have beat this or have run this time or that time...post a time slip. Anything else is just talk. Its funny because i get called a dickhead because i am always calling people out on the claims they make and criticizing their driving, which is fine with me. But atleast i dont EVER post about times and gains and kills. Thats just gay. I like this forum for the support and help with issues that arise, many of which have been addressed by others. Someone who gets on here to "brag" is just a poser.

yeah,......... srt8's r slow

no sorry about it - at 275rwph - still not likely a 13.5 car right?
I agree with you there, still hard to see the13.5 unless the strip is downhill:D , but still should easily be low 14's.

The gearing, while it does help, does not provide the missing link here. An exhaust that gains 25-30 hp??? Um, HECK NO. hehehehe. I would like to see an exhaust that gains that much over stock. You say that the stocker exhaust is very restrictive, but not THAT much. 1.5" pipes on a V6 are pretty much the standard and while they may be restrictive to a point; they are not restrictive enough to gain 30 hp by bolting on an aftermarket exhaust.

I'm assuming that his custom exhaust will outperform the magnaflow, which has dyno'd at 22+ HP increase over the stock exhaust for the '00-'02 V6, the stock to magnaflow increase for the V8 was 11HP because of the larger OEM pipes on the V8 vs the V6. The maggies also have mandrell bends, the OEM pipes did not, so at some points they were even less than 1.5" diameter. On top of that add an x pipe to replace the stock H pipe setup and it gets even more efficient.

There is still a lot of upside in the 3.0 if you have the time and money, it's been turbo'd up to 425 HP by Noble using the same block with VVT and upgraded pistons, cams and rods.

my exhaust is mandrel bent also my friend owns compare muffler near st louis.

ive been trying to get ahold of the scat crank and all the forged goodies for that damn noble, but nobody will sell them , its sucks.

If someone wants to post horsepower numbers or increases after mods....post a dyno slip. If someone wants to say they have beat this or have run this time or that time...post a time slip. Anything else is just talk.


Mine is HERE (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=24048). :D ;) :cool:

322RWHP and 339RWTQ on a low reading dyno isn't too shabby. The real numbers are probably closer to 340RWHP and 360RWTQ...

^....Not a poser... :D I am just messing with ya Fla02LS.

Fla02Ls, I do think that you do tend to come off as being a little prejudicial about other peoples aspirations of power with their LS. I do not mean this as a flame to you but I do mean it as constructive criticism. I usually don't see the point in people modding their Honda's with wings or to go fast or anything because I don't think it is worth it. Nevertheless I still hold my tongue in respect for that persons opinion. Sometimes you come off a little abrasive when referring to people who mod their cars. I suspect that is why some people tend to treat you as if your some sort of "dickhead".

That is just an observation. It doesn't have much to do with this particular topic.

Fla02Ls, I do think that you do tend to come off as being a little prejudicial about other peoples aspirations of power with their LS. I do not mean this as a flame to you but I do mean it as constructive criticism. I usually don't see the point in people modding their Honda's with wings or to go fast or anything because I don't think it is worth it. Nevertheless I still hold my tongue in respect for that persons opinion. Sometimes you come off a little abrasive when referring to people who mod their cars. I suspect that is why some people tend to treat you as if your some sort of "dickhead".

That is just an observation. It doesn't have much to do with this particular topic.
You are 100% correct sir...on more than one point. Yes i look at the way people treat their LS the same way you may look at a honda with wings. Very good comparison. But unlike you i do speak my mind, in person and in a forum like this. Sorry. When i read something my fingers are quick to type my response and feelings. Now, i tend not to diss peoples choice in speakers, or rims, or other stuff of a individuals style, but when it comes to racing around like an idiot i speak up, when it comes to nonsense rambling by a few on engine mods and stuff i speak up. Am i abrasive...yes. Good comparison, Howard Stern. For the most part he speaks his mind but its usually the reality of a situation. Some see him as a dickhead, others listen and identify. And like him i dont care if people like it or hate it.

Alright..putting aside the ranting, according to your dyno i have some questions now. And yours is the only correct dyno sheet i have seen thus far even though you dont have a baseline stock run. With the run using just your cai and tune it pulled 230 hp. Am i doing the math wrong or does that still put it very close to the stock 280 bhp? Like +13 hp and 6 ftlbs

what are the gains on the "cai" you guys are using? dont you think it would be better if the filter was outside the engine compartment? isnt that what the cold air intake is?

i thought putting too much air would actually do more harm than good

I'm assuming that his custom exhaust will outperform the magnaflow, which has dyno'd at 22+ HP increase over the stock exhaust for the '00-'02 V6, .

Really?? My LS was the development car for the Magnaflow. They had the car for a week while my wife and I were in Hawai'i. They (Brian at Magnaflow, the guy who ran the dyno) told me they got ~15hp from their exhaust. Granted, it was a warmish day in April when the car was dynoed, but will 75° equal 7+hp?? I don't know for sure, but I think that's a lottle optimistic.

Mike, that was the # Brian quoted.

i thought putting too much air would actually do more harm than good<----- isnt what the xcal is for to calibarate your fuel curve to the incoming air. or are they just generic tunes that arent really vehicle specific? if so can u connect the wideband to the xcal and dyno tune it yourself based on your specific needs? every car is going to be a little different usually right?

if so can u connect the wideband to the xcal and dyno tune it yourself based on your specific needs? every car is going to be a little different usually right?

right you can connect a wide-band to the XCal2 - use it to datalog onto a laptop using SCT's LiveLink software, That way you get all the parameters of the XCal and the WB O2 in one log.

To re-tune it yourself - you'll need to purchase their Pro-Racer software package.

so the xcal comes set and thats it?

it comes with three tunes - usually different levels of performance, shift points, ...etc

The unit can adjust some things - like injector size, ...

SCT has end-user software called EXtreme tune - but it is pretty course.

The best bet is to buy your unit from a tuner you trust and work with them to get the tune 'just right' for your car. They can e-mail you new tunes.

Alright..putting aside the ranting, according to your dyno i have some questions now. And yours is the only correct dyno sheet i have seen thus far even though you dont have a baseline stock run. With the run using just your cai and tune it pulled 230 hp. Am i doing the math wrong or does that still put it very close to the stock 280 bhp? Like +13 hp and 6 ftlbs


Yes, you are reading my sheet right for the baseline run. That particular dyno reads low. That is why baseline with CAI and tune still showed up as only putting out what a stocker 03+ LS should. My LS really has around 255 rwhp (and runs the ET's to prove it) and close to 350rwhp on the juice. Besides the A/F which I used to tune my car with, I concentrated more on the difference of gain from baseline to 100 shot versus actual numbers themselves. Dyno's will read differently in different parts of the country and due to many environmental factors. While they can be used for comparative analysis between vehicles to an extent, I never count dyno numbers as absolute perfect representations of a cars true power. Unless the dyno is done in a controlled environment; which never happens.

i thought putting too much air would actually do more harm than good<----- isnt what the xcal is for to calibarate your fuel curve to the incoming air. or are they just generic tunes that arent really vehicle specific? if so can u connect the wideband to the xcal and dyno tune it yourself based on your specific needs? every car is going to be a little different usually right?




If the tune is done right you don't need to recal for a CAI. The IATS will measure incoming air temp and the MAS will take care of metering the quantity of additional air moving into the cylinders. There is no need to mess with the A/F ratio for something so small. A lot of tunes that people get for their vehicles with basic mods are pretty much generic tunes. By generic I mean the same perameters are modified to get the basic results (though not the same amount) though they are specific to that model of vehicle and the PCM box code too of course.

In 99% of the peoples tunes in here the A/F hasn't even been touched. Spark timing, tire height algorithms(speedo), shift points, line pressure, speed limiter, rev limiter neu, rev limiter drive are the common ones modified with a basic tune. Some even more basic than that.

Only if you have the Pro Rcer Package tuning software can you do a full tune. To my knowledge only myself and another member have it in here. Of which I believe only I am currently using mine. The end user basic stuff that SCT offers (extremetune or on-device.ll3 format) is meant to give ever so slight end user adjustability but not the ability to really tune a vehicle from the ground up. That e-tune stuff and on-device are meant more for smaller changes to comfort and preference like shift points, rev limiters, timing retard, minor minor A/F adjustments (MINOR) and stuff like that...

With these PCM's and how long they take to reprogram that is why the advantage REALLY goes to the wet nitrous setup. The reason for that is that you jet the fuel to get your proper A/F ratio when spraying nitrous. Then from there you only have to retard spark timing a little bit. Most on-device tunefiles offered by SCT tuners have the ability to retard timing but not advance timing. For nitrous this is perfect because you surely don't want to add timing. Run cooler plugs and your pretty much golden.

You could do a dry setup and tune for it through the stocker fuel system, but you would max the stock injectors quickly. And it takes 10-15 minutes to upload a program to these computers so that would be a PITA in itself. IMPO wet is the only way to go with these cars.

Yes, you are reading my sheet right for the baseline run. That particular dyno reads low. That is why baseline with CAI and tune still showed up as only putting out what a stocker 03+ LS should. My LS really has around 255 rwhp (and runs the ET's to prove it) and close to 350rwhp on the juice. Besides the A/F which I used to tune my car with, I concentrated more on the difference of gain from baseline to 100 shot versus actual numbers themselves. Dyno's will read differently in different parts of the country and due to many environmental factors. While they can be used for comparative analysis between vehicles to an extent, I never count dyno numbers as absolute perfect representations of a cars true power. Unless the dyno is done in a controlled environment; which never happens.
I think the environmental issues are also why my experiences seem to be different than others. Just today it was soooo damn hot and humid out i could feel a difference in the drivability and performance. I'd still like to see some dyno results from someone who has done some runs with a stock car, then make some changes and do some more dyno runs. Thats really the only way to truly tell any gains. As far as the sensors and pcm ability to adjust, does it make any sense to disconnect the battery to allow a reset when making minor changes, ie. k&n filter?