I am so giddy with anticipation, I can't wait.:zgreenbou (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

I am so giddy with anticipation, I can't wait.:zgreenbou (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

:dj:

http://www.focusmag.gr/id/files/21592/Bush%20Laden.jpg

The truth about Bin Laden?

What happens in 6 days?

What happens in 6 days?
we are going to miraculously find and capture bin laden. :rolleyes: what a crock of :soapbox: .
Eric :L

What happens in 6 days?Sworn to Secrecy. Let's just say we won't have to worry about John sKerry and his hag picking out a dinner plate pattern.

Is GW resigning?

Is GW resigning?Keep dreaming!

Impeachment would be my dream

Impeachment would be my dream

:iconcur:

But can you impeach a dictator! - I'm more worried that some country is going to come in and occupy my country.

http://www.focusmag.gr/id/files/21592/Bush%20Laden.jpg

The truth about Bin Laden?

Is this GW's Saudi Uncle! George W. Bin Laden.

Hey Bryan,

Your credibility is suffering again.

Let's see, you've been sworn to secrecy. Six days from October 9th is October 15th. Today is the 22nd of October and still no announcement.

Did we all miss something?

Hey Bryan,

Your credibility is suffering again.

Let's see, you've been sworn to secrecy. Six days from October 9th is October 15th. Today is the 22nd of October and still no announcement.

Did we all miss something?
Yes, you missed MonsterMark's announcnement on the 15th. Sorry, here's the link so you too get to read his amazing Bush announcnement:
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=2518
:thread:

That link is just to his thread about Edwards being a "snake-oil salesman". So what "announcement"?
As for the Bush administration all of a sudden producing a freshly captured Bin Laden, I think it would be a mistake this late in the game to do it. It would back-fire on them now. Too close to the election to maintain credibility.

:bash:

I apologize guys. Pinning the tail on this jackass has been alot more difficult that I first thought. Kerry is very well connected and the perfect double agent hasn't been found to 'leak' the facts.

Here is the brunt of it. There are several fronts being looked into with this guy.

1) It appears that Kerry may have received a less-than-honorable discharge from the military and has gone to great lengths to cover it up. I have reached a dead end with the documents that are available and there is still one piece of the puzzle missing, so now I am forced to wait for the decision from the lawsuit filed by the Judicial Watch for the release of all of Kerry's records.

2) Kerry's family business dealing and connections with the Korean government are very disturbing to say the least. They make the Bush/oil, Cheney/Halliburton accusations pale in comparison. There has just been nobody that has checked into this guys past and an under-manned effort is only now starting. But the detail is astounding and explains why Kerry would favor a unilateral negotiation with their government.

3) One Navy document has already been turned up that implicates Kerry by a process of elimination that proves Kerry wrote up his own reports that garnered him the Purple Heart and Silver Star. Still trying to find the other after-action reports that link him to the other awards.

There are a couple less egregious ones that really aren't worth mentioning at this time.

So in conclusion, I have let myself down and I know 10's of millions of Americans that may now wind up with a Kerry presidency and a much more dangerous and uncertain future. Proving the less-than-honorable discharge now appears to be out of reach and time has run out for that revelation to have much of an impact on this election.

Gloat if you may at my failure,http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon9.gif but rest assured, the truth will come out, albeit, maybe after the donkey has already soiled the chair, but it'll come out.

I almost feel bad :(

You should.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif I wasted a month of my life. I am near tears and totally devastated. Oh, whoa is me!

On a happy note, I did set a personal best fundraising for Shrub this past week.

You should.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif I wasted a month of my life. I am near tears and totally devastated. Oh, whoa is me!

On a happy note, I did set a personal best fundraising for Shrub this past week.and with that, I say we officially put this thread to rest. Some day everyone will forget.

What are you going to do after Nov. 2nd. What will you have to post about. The elections will be over and no matter who wins.... :F

Are you going to join Sifrino and Pepperman in their battle for girls LOL.

How long can they keep that up LOL. :GotPics:

I'll address each of these........

1) There is no such thing as a "less-than-honorable" discharge from the US military. It is either "Honorable", or "General" discharge. If you don't get one of those two, odds are you have been court-marshalled. Considering Kerry's view at the time, I wouldn't be suprised if he was denied an "Honorable" discharge. But then again, most voters don't care what Kerry did 30 yrs ago (and Bush is lucky most votors don't care about what HE did 30 yrs ago either).

2) That would be interesting, however I can't envision anything being nearly as indicting / damaging / covert as Bush's family dealings w/ the Saudis and his use of executive power to sell our soldiers blood for oil.

3) He said she said they said. BFD. See the last sentence of 1) above.
:F

Either way I win.

Bush wins and I can continuously brag about his accomplishments and pontificate about how wonderful he is.

Kerry wins and I can beeotch and whine over every mundane mistake he makes in his Presidency. So I guess I will be posting daily.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif
It a good thing I don't have a real job. (according to Thereeeza). Gives me alot of time to entertain and keep you guys informed.

I have a hard time believing that "nobody" has dug into Kerry's background. If there were anything there, we would've heard about it by now. And as for the mysterious specifics of his discharge, there are four common types of military discharges: honorable, general, undesirable, and dishonorable. Undesirable and general discharges are given for a variety of reasons, and may or may not indicate that the discharged individual was found guilty of an offense. A dishonorable discharge, on the other hand, is given only to individuals whose guilt has been adjudicated. The EEOC and the courts treat less-than-honorable discharges resulting from an adjudication of guilt the same as a conviction. That is, there should be a review of the length of time since the discharge, the nature and seriousness of the underlying offense, and the relationship of the nature of the offense to the particular job applied for. If, however, an individual has received an undesirable or general discharge but has not been convicted of an offense, the discharge is, like an arrest, not an indication of guilt, and may therefore not be used as an employment disqualification.

1) There is no such thing as a "less-than-honorable" discharge from the US military. It is either "Honorable", or "General" discharge. If you don't get one of those two, odds are you have been court-marshalled. Considering Kerry's view at the time, I wouldn't be suprised if he was denied an "Honorable" discharge. But then again, most voters don't care what Kerry did 30 yrs ago (and Bush is lucky most votors don't care about what HE did 30 yrs ago either).Wrong again! And what do we have for our winner behind door number 3?

Types of military discharges are... Drumroll please.......................

HONORABLE

GENERAL

O-T-H (Other-Than-Honorable)

BAD CONDUCT

DISHONORABLE

Please don't confuse your version of fiction from fact.

I use the term "less than" as a condescending attempt to diminish the great Pretender Kerry from mASSachusetts. The word 'less' being the key word here.

Wrong again! And what do we have for our winner behind door number 3?

Types of military discharges are... Drumroll please.......................

HONORABLE

GENERAL

O-T-H (Other-Than-Honorable)

BAD CONDUCT

DISHONORABLE

Please don't confuse your version of fiction from fact.

I use the term "less than" as a condescending attempt to diminish the great Pretender Kerry from mASSachusetts. The word 'less' being the key word here.

Not sure where you got your facts but there are only (4) types of discharges as I listed in my last post.
Oh, BTW Bryan, this is a good site for you, maybe you'll like it:
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/04/airbrushing_joh.html

Either way I win.

Bush wins and I can continuously brag about his accomplishments and pontificate about how wonderful he is.

Kerry wins and I can beeotch and whine over every mundane mistake he makes in his Presidency. So I guess I will be posting daily.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif
It a good thing I don't have a real job. (according to Thereeeza). Gives me alot of time to entertain and keep you guys informed.

Really appreciate the information. Happy I can give you an audience. You must get pretty bored or like lots of words.

You might have to reduce the number of words you use as I can't read that many. Remember I'm voting for Kerry. Wez not az shmart az u votin' bu:q:q:q:q.

Buy the way do you want that Alternator? I'll bring it on Thursday.

I have a hard time believing that "nobody" has dug into Kerry's background. If there were anything there, we would've heard about it by now. And as for the mysterious specifics of his discharge, there are four common types of military discharges: honorable, general, undesirable, and dishonorable.

I stand corrected, and :iconcur:

Bryan, join the crowd! Now you know how OVER HALF of the voting citizens of the US have been feeling over the last 4 years!
:facesjump

Not so fast!
My original source was a lawyer specializing in Military Law but I did an internet search and now I'm finding varying answers to the question. The latest I'm finding is:
There are (3) types of "administrative" discharges
1. Honorable
2. General (under honorable conditions)
3. Other than honorable (considered "undesirable")
Then there's (2) types of discharges handed down only through a court martial. They are:
1. Bad conduct
2. Dishonorable
So if this is correct, Bryan's correct. Sorry if I was confusing the issue at all.

Oh, BTW Bryan, this is a good site for you, maybe you'll like it:
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/04/airbrushing_joh.html
Killer link Kev. Thanks for the heads up!

Buy the way do you want that Alternator? I'll bring it on Thursday.Ya, bring it. I 'll get a core charge out of it or use it to reposition the new alternator mount for the Monster.

Oh, one more thing.

As far as this Kerry is smarter than Bush thing.

Is anyone aware that Bush scored higher on his ACT's than Kerry did? I guess one could extrapolate that finding into a correllation showing Bush as being smarter and having a higher IQ than Kerry.:headbang: Or maybe just a better cheater. LOL.

Whoops, I'm a little late on this thread as I've been looking up the Pentagon crash crap for another thread. But my best friend growing up struck a superior officer in the Navy and he was given an "other than honorable" discharge, for whatever that's worth.

On the topic of intelligence, didn't Bush and Kerry both have the same grade average when they graduated Yale? Kerry is definitely a FASTER thinker than Bush is no doubt, but that doesn't mean he's smarter. We all know quick witted a-holes who are not very bright. (I know, I know, I'm asking for it: "yeah, Kbob, we all know you") ;)

It is again typical of MasterMark to misdirect the thread into Bush's level of intelligence and Kerry's discharge. Why can't you just admit that you were wrong and leave it at that. I've admitted when you were right.

You are doing exactly what Bush did in the debate and what he has done to the American people for the last 4 years.

Generally speaking, I've usually found that people who are extremely intelligent have little common sense. So Kevin's Law of Intelligence is:
"Intelligence and Common Sense vary inversely" :biggrin:

and he was given an "other than honorable" discharge, for whatever that's worth.
Don't worry Kbob. I already did the *owned* thing.

I know in my heart he received an OTH.

Here is some more food for thought.

[ Kerry’s official Web site features an official Navy document describing his "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves.” This document is dated 2/16/78, a full six years after his original enlistment contract expired. It describes his discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers,” citing "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163,” which refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. No ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy requires a review by a board of officers. The "board of officers" is even more noteworthy because it came about "by direction of the President,” Jimmy Carter. No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president.

Less than an hour after his Inauguration, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. It was expanded in March 1977 to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge. ]

I didn't post that to prove anyone wrong, Bryan, I was just pointing out one reason for an OTH discharge. Most people would probably think hitting a superior would have brought a "dishonorable" discharge. So it's not out of the range of possibility that Kerry received an OTH discharge, but I'm not speculating on that.

It is again typical of MasterMark to misdirect the thread into Bush's level of intelligence and Kerry's discharge. I guess it proves that I can walk, chew gum and even carry on more than one train of thought at the same time. It is called multi-tasking.

I only mentioned Kerry's intelligence because of the 5 hour conversation I had last night with a lefty and the articles I read from this morning, all containing verbiage pertaining to Kerry's intelligence and how he can better fight the war on terror because of it. What a complete joke.

And Kerry's discharge has alot to do with WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. So I think I am entitled to further talk about it. I wanted to have the case wrapped up by now but a couple of others and YOU called me out on the carpet and questioned my credibility (and I might add, childishly called me a name) begging for a response. Now that I have already laid out more info than I wanted to, you want to complain because why? Your post shows you just can't handle the truth?

Kerry was a failure while in the military, a traitor exiting the military, a failure in 20 years of public office, currently is seen as a waffler on every issue of the day, and now you want him to be Commander-In-Chief? How preposterous and unfathomable to even have such audacity to think he is even qualified to run for the position.

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong and leave it at that. I've admitted when you were right. I am NOT wrong. I have just not been able to prove that I am right beyond a reasonable doubt. It turns out I was premature in my post because I was relying on an individual that was going to the records room and reading the microfiche and I expected a quick kill.

The decisional document (DD for short) does not contain the name of the individual, which makes the going very tough, thus the delay.

It has information regarding date of enlistment, rank, medals, etc. that must be researched by hand. Nothing that can be computer automated, so like I said, it is only a matter of time, but in my situation, I have simply run out of time.

To make you happy you can say I am wrong. I guess I will have to wait to vindicate myself at a later date. Hopefully Bush still wins in the meantime, rendering all of this mute.

I didn't post that to prove anyone wrong, Bryan,
I know. I was just trying to have a little fun.

So it's not out of the range of possibility that Kerry received an OTH discharge, but I'm not speculating on that.
I am speculating. That is the point of this whole thread. The smoking gun is hidden in the over 100 pages of documents the Navy has and that Kerry HAS NOT released from his official military records. Simple as that. Sign the form, get trounced and move on Senator Kerry. But this is a hollow man like I said, that has used and manipulated people his whole life. He deserves to fail.

Please point out where I called you a name in this thread.

It is again typical of MasterMark...Post number 33. I don't have a problem with it. Just pointing it out. Not the first time. Probably not the last. Life goes on...

May be unintentional but I did look on my keyboard and the "o" and the "n" are not located next to the "a" and the "s". FWIW.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

I apologize for misspelling your name. Get a life.

Get a life.
How succinct. Guess you showed me.

Bryan,
The site I gave you the link to doesn't really support your theory as I read it. I know you said you're speculating, but your speculation is fueled by your heavily biased opinion of Kerry so it's coming off as more of a "witch-hunt" than a sincere quest for the truth.

I haven't even looked through the site. Just quickly visited the home page to check out the content. I thought you just directed me there so I could expand on my right wing conspiracy theories.

I do admit. I have quite the hard-on for Kerry. I don't try to hide it. I'll do everything I can as an American citizen in this election to make sure Kerry loses.

I detest everything Kerry stands for, just like some people detest George Bush.

What bothers me more than anything is the 25% of the population that is going to vote for Kerry, not because they like Kerry and what he stands for, but because they claim (claim) they don't like Bush. I think a flower could be running and as long as it had a (D) next to its name, people would vote for it. So I think it really has nothing to do with a dislike for Bush. It has everything to do with whether a (D) or (R) is running. Blind support. Sorry, it bother me intensely.

Ya, bring it. I 'll get a core charge out of it or use it to reposition the new alternator mount for the Monster.

Oh, one more thing.

As far as this Kerry is smarter than Bush thing.

Is anyone aware that Bush scored higher on his ACT's than Kerry did? I guess one could extrapolate that finding into a correllation showing Bush as being smarter and having a higher IQ than Kerry.:headbang: Or maybe just a better cheater. LOL.

I didn't say that Kerry was smarter. I was going with the thought that bush fans think Kerry fans aren't smart.

No, Kerry fans are seen as elitists and Bush fans are viewed as backwoods folks.

I apologize for misspelling your name. Get a life."Show me" . . . "okay, you showed me, but screw you anyway." What a jerk.

I'm taking this stuff too personally. I'm leaving for my weekend now, and it's going to be even better than I thought since my wife got a hold of a couple of tickets to the OU game tomorrow from one of her vendors. Hopefully I'll be refreshed and a little more thick-skinned when I get back. Good day everyone.

I'm not buying that Bryan. I USUALLY don't fit that mold. I'm a registered Republican but usually tend to vote independent. I REALLY hate the 2-party system and REALLY wish that it could be abolished. As you say, there ARE many people that vote blindly for the D or R and that's a shame. As for MY views on Bush vs. Kerry, I guess you'd have to count me as one of those idiots that will vote for Kerry mainly because I REALLY feel we need to dump Bush. It's kind of like the way I route during an Eagles game on Sundays. My favorite team is whoever's playing the Eagles!!
Kerry IS an unknown to me but I KNOW that we MUST get rid of Bush, no matter what. So in my mind, I'd rather take a chance on Kerry.

Hey Ken, Hopefully I can still catch you.


OU? Oklahoma? Have fun. Go Sooners!

I am going to the Badger game tomorrow. Looking to have alot of fun also.

Thanks for 'hanging out' this afternoon. It was fun.

I'm not buying that Bryan. I USUALLY don't fit that mold. I'm a registered Republican but usually tend to vote independent. I REALLY hate the 2-party system and REALLY wish that it could be abolished. As you say, there ARE many people that vote blindly for the D or R and that's a shame. As for MY views on Bush vs. Kerry, I guess you'd have to count me as one of those idiots that will vote for Kerry mainly because I REALLY feel we need to dump Bush. It's kind of like the way I route during an Eagles game on Sundays. My favorite team is whoever's playing the Eagles!!
Kerry IS an unknown to me but I KNOW that we MUST get rid of Bush, no matter what. So in my mind, I'd rather take a chance on Kerry.I appreciate AND respect your views. I don't think we can take a 'chance' on Kerry at this point. It is too dangerous a game to play.

I would vote for a 3rd party candidate if there was ever a viable one. I believe in competition at every level of life. We need more viable candidates and the result will be a more responsive legislature that will be more inclined to listen to joe lunch bucket.

And I agree on the Eagles but also add the Vikings to that statement.

It's funny how we can disagree in many ways, but still agree in many as well. More alike than different I guess. ;)

Either way I win.

Bush wins and I can continuously brag about his accomplishments and pontificate about how wonderful he is.

Kerry wins and I can beeotch and whine over every mundane mistake he makes in his Presidency. So I guess I will be posting daily.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif
It a good thing I don't have a real job. (according to Thereeeza). Gives me alot of time to entertain and keep you guys informed.



You owe me a qaurter for using the word pontificate in a sentence.

and what will you all argue about after the election? :)

You owe me a qaurter for using the word pontificate in a sentence.Sure thing! What's a qaurter? http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon11.gif

and what will you all argue about after the election? :)Bud Light vs Miller Lite.

Bud Light vs Miller Lite.

I was sure Bryan you would go with Bush Light

But for me I like something with a lot more body - German beer is best although there are some good American micro beers. Canada has some good beers also.

Like I said I like a beer with more body to it, and Bush gives me the $#!+s, just like the other Bush.

That's why I'm voting for Kerry.

I was sure Bryan you would go with Bush Light

But for me I like something with a lot more body - German beer is best although there are some good American micro beers. Canada has some good beers also.

Like I said I like a beer with more body to it, and Bush gives me the $#!+s, just like the other Bush.

That's why I'm voting for Kerry.
That would be the other Busch... LOL.

That would be the other Busch... LOL.

You might need to Clarify this as Those posting often in the Bar Thread Girls Girls Girls might think you are talking about Beaver.

Don't be so hard on the Beaver Ward!

and what will you all argue about after the election? :)Forget the arguing, I'm going to Disneyland! (I wish)

Forget the arguing, I'm going to Disneyland! (I wish)

:V meet at Disneyland great Idea I'm in. Get planning it Joey LOL.

MasterMark,

Was Osama's speech to Americans your October Suprise?

Berry,

I pulled some of my comments here. It turns out some people don;t want to be on the record prior to the election. We will again have to wait for the truth to come out. Hopefully this will all be moot and after Kerry loses, he can move to France to be with his buds.

As far as Osama, sures sound like he wants a cease-fire. HaHa. Thanks for making sure Bush is re-elected. And no Osama, no deal. Your next to take a dirt nap in the sand castle of your dreams.

Here is an article that does a good job of summarizing things on the Kerry side of things. I know you have an open mind so you will read this and place the proper weighting of these findings in your decision for President.

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October Surprise? The Truth Behind Kerry's Military Discharge. What's Kerry Hiding?:

"I have nothing to hide. I want you to ask me questions."
--John Kerry, Reuters, August 3, 2004 (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/08/03/kerry_accuses_bush_of_squandering_robust_economy/)
The only 180 John Kerry hasn't accomplished in his litany of flip-flops throughout his campaign is Standard Form 180, the paperwork necessary for the complete release of his military records from the Department of Defense repository.

The Kerry campaign and website continue to claim he has released all military records. In fact, they've released the few documents painting the senator in a favorable light. There are at least 100 pages, promising to be much more revealing, still unseen. Kerry controls their release. All he has to do is sign the Form 180. To date, he has refused.

It goes without saying the main stream media isn't clamoring for him to comply although they hounded President George Bush relentlessly to release his Air National Guard records. Bush, by the way, did the right thing--he signed his Form 180. Kerry has made his naval service the focal point for his election. Shouldn't we expect the war hero to open his military service to America? Where is the outrage (I ask tongue-in-cheek)? Where is the objective journalism? More realistically, what is Kerry hiding?

Thomas Lipscomb (http://www.humaneventsonline.com/search.php?author_name=Thomas+Lipscomb) writing for the New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/3107) and Geoff Metcalf of NewsMax.com (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/18/95423.shtml) have been pursuing Kerry's military record irregularities and his refusal to authorize their release tirelessly. Without Kerry's assistance, however, it will take a critical and very timely leak or we will never know the truth behind Kerry's military service in time for it to make the difference.

With true patriotism and integrity, John O'Neill and the Swifties have proven beyond any doubt that Kerry lacks the character and moral fiber to be the leader of our men and women in uniform. (As an aside, I've been touring the country with John O'Neill over the last several weeks, and I've never met a finer human being.)

The final element in Kerry's absolute failure to meet the standards our military deserves in a commander-in-chief, in this retired officer's opinion, is in the factual nature of Kerry's discharge (although I would love for some resourceful citizen find a way to republish and distribute Kerry's radical, anti-American tome The New Soldier -- which my publisher Regnery Publishing has offered to do for free -- and hand it out at the polls on November 2).

As for every veteran, the truth will be found the form DD214, the official Department of Defense document of release from military obligation given to Kerry when he exited military service on July 1, 1972. It is conspicuously absent from the documents released so far. Everyone serving in the military receives a DD214 the day they separate or retire from service. My suspicion along with a growing number of military personnel is that Kerry received an "other than honorable" discharge in the early 1970s as a consequence of his vehement anti-US, anti-military activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and his potentially treasonous tête-à-têtes with North Vietnamese Communist officials in Paris. If not, let him release his records. If so, America should demand the release.

Kerry's activities during his post-war political resume building efforts are expressly prohibited by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 104, Part 904 (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm#904.%20ART.%20104.%20AIDING%20THE%20ENEM Y); the United States Code Title 18, Section 953 (18 USC Sec. 953 (http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+537+0++%28%29%20 %20AND%20%28%2818%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%2 0%28USC%20w%2F10%20%28953%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20%20 %20%20%20%20%20)); and, arguably, the Constitution, Article 3, Section 3 (http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html). In fact, the Constitution's 14th Amendment, Section 3 (http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html) declares, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President . . . (who has) engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." In another time and another place, at a minimum, Kerry would have faced courts martial. In another time and another place, Kerry would be breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, the military penitentiary. Today, he stands on the brink of election as the leader of the free world.

Kerry has built an entire career based solely on four months in Vietnam and two years of post-war protesting. For a politician to have built so much on, and been so successful with, a foundation consisting largely of self-promotion, lies, and unpatriotic (some say treasonous) endeavors is utterly fantastic and extremely tenuous. And the Dems know it--ergo, the refusal on the part of the Kerry campaign to release the entirety of his military service records.

With what we do know, Kerry's paperwork doesn't pass the smell test. The few records so far released by his campaign identify FOUR "honorable" discharge dates (every other military member I know, myself included, received one). Kerry's released documentation (http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html) notes discharges of January 3, 1970, February 16, 1978, July 13, 1978, and, most peculiarly, March 12, 2001. He has as many discharge dates as months he spent in Vietnam. In my twenty years in the Air Force and through the thousands of people I came to know and serve with, I have never heard of anyone in the military having more than one DD 214 with one discharge date. Kerry, according to his own campaign, has at least four.

There are five potential classes of discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Why does it matter? It's the sum total of one's military service boiled down in a phrase. Most employers require former military members to attach their DD214 to their employment application. Anything other than "Honorable" is seen as a character flaw. Bad Conduct and Dishonorable obviously are causes for additional concern.

Because Kerry is submitting his employment application to the American people and might become our military's next commander in chief, we may be asking our troops to support a man who held himself to lower standards than he would demand from our 2.3 million in uniform. (This is precisely what happened under Bill Clinton's stewardship when the military prosecuted servicemen for sexual infidelity and harassment while the commander-in-chief was committing similar crimes in the Oval Office). In fact, if a former military member applies for employment with defense related industry, he is required to sign and submit Form 180. Kerry, seeking to be CEO for our nation's defense, has refused.

Here's the crux of the confusion. On February 18, 1966, Kerry obligated himself to a six-year commitment to the Navy, and to the tenets of the military judicial system, with an expiration date of July 1, 1972. On January 3, 1970, Kerry asked for, and was granted, an early transfer from his active duty service to the Naval Reserve. As a reservist, he was still under oath as a commissioned officer and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He still carried a military ID card and was still a member of the U.S. armed forces. Kerry's service commitment came to an end, as scheduled, in July, 1972. As such, a DD Form 214 with a discharge status was due.

Kerry's "honorable" discharge, though, doesn't come until February 16, 1978. Why? Possibly because President Jimmy Carter, through Proclamation 4483, granted a full and complete pardon to all military personnel who committed offenses and violations of the Military Selective Service Act during the Vietnam War. He pardoned deserters, draft dodgers and those who went absent without leave (AWOL).

Interestingly, Kerry's honorable discharge letter from the Department of the Navy, dated February 16, 1978, notes that Kerry's discharge was taken "by direction of the President" and "with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under the authority of reference [10 USC Sec. 1163 (http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+782+0++%28%29%20 %20AND%20%28%2810%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%2 0%28USC%20w%2F10%20%281163%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20%2 0%20%20%20%20%20)] to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve.." This is extremely unusual. Review boards are not convened for discharges and certainly not "by direction of the President." The "authority of reference," 10 USC Sec. 1163, refers to "the grounds for involuntary separation from the service." What was being reviewed, then, was Kerry's involuntary separation from the service or, more likely, the disposition of his service. This simply would not have occurred if Kerry's discharge in 1972 had been "honorable." Why did Kerry's discharge meet a board? In all likelihood, he sought relief to improve his status of discharge from "dishonorable" or "less than honorable" to "honorable." If he signed his Form 180, we'd know. If he'd release his DD214 from 1972, we'd know.

Finally, and most bizarre of all of Kerry's military records so far released is a DD 215, "Correction to DD Form 214," (http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-215_Correction.pdf) initiated for John Forbes Kerry on March 12, 2001. Among other things, the new form changes Kerry's official US Navy separation date to March 1, 1970! As noted earlier, he wasn't eligible for discharge until July, 1972, and was so. Why, then, the new document in 2001? Why, 29 years later, is there the need to correct or change the record?

Here's why. By moving Kerry's discharge date to early in 1970, all of Kerry's post-Vietnam activities would be theoretically exempt from military justice. By moving his discharge date to March of 1970, Kerry's meeting with the enemy, North Vietnamese Communists in Paris in May of 1970, would be exempt. His joining the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in June of 1970 and his radical, anti-war anti-government activities that followed would be exempt. The Winter Soldier Investigation in January, 1971, and Kerry's infamous testimony to Congress in April, 1971 would be exempt. His arrest for his protest activities in May, 1971, would be exempt. His attendance at a VVAW meeting in Kansas City where the assassination of several prominent and hawkish U.S. senators was discussed and voted on would be exempt.

Democratic presidential candidate Kerry has spent 35 years building a political career on four months in Vietnam. Apparently, he has spent 35 years covering up his post-war activities while still a member of the U.S. Navy many of which seem to be clear violations of the Constitution, US Codes, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Now, he stands on the verge of becoming our commander-in-chief, responsible for the stewardship of 2.3 million men and women in uniform. A former serviceman who won't come clean on his own record intends to command our forces and enforce the standards of military justice. We've been down this path before. America deserves to know. Our troops certainly deserve to know.

All it would take is for him to sign the Form 180.

Berry,
... And no Osama, no deal. Your next to take a dirt nap in the sand castle of your dreams.


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"...dirt nap in the sand castle of your dreams." - I love it.

MasterMark,

Was Osama's speech to Americans your October Suprise?
No, it was the election -deal-sealer- that we would lose 700,000 lbs of Weapons of Mass Destruction.