So I was getting gas last night and all the sudden my friend starts making fun of this kid at the pump next to us in a Tiburon.

So anyway, they start exchanging words and the kid starts talking about do I wanna race. I said no, of course my friend stars saying things like "Yeah my boy's LS will eat that little POS up" blah blah blah.
So now the kid is totally worked up, screaming about how fast his car is and that he wanted to race for money or pinks and so on. I keep telling my friend to stfu but he keeps getting the kid more worked up by saying things like "Your car is a POS, stfu pu$$y"

The point of this story is, I wish that stupid S/C kit would hurry up and be ready. Because it's really embarrasing when some A-hole in a tiburon punks you down. I really need more HP. It almost ruined my night. It could have only been worse if this had happened with a KIA =[
I'm still troubled by what happen. I NEEED HP! BAHHHHH

ummm u could have destroyed that tiburon... unless ur a v6 :o(

I think you have a V6, because it is kind of slow. The V8 would pass the Tiburon.

But, overall, your friend started making fun of the other guy's car, so do not blame him.

I would say its a 6 too, I test drove a few Tibs and the v6 in the tib is alright, but not alot of HP for the wieght of the car. V8 is definately faster unless the Tib is done up which is possible, they have a great deal of mods for 'em.

I'm almost certain he has turbo's or NOS or something. Cause the way he was talking, there wasnt a doubt in his mind he would beat me. Plus he had no hood, said the mods he had, he had to remove his hood to make room for them. And yea, I have a V8.

The only thing that made me feel better was that, in fact, he was driving a hyundai. Even if it is faster, it's still a hyundai. =x

well, if you got beat by a hyundai, you did technically get beat by a kia.

well, if you got beat by a hyundai, you did technically get beat by a kia.

SHUT UP! :eek:

damn got beat by a KIA now thats sad.... hey if you didnt see a hood on his car you should of taken a peep before you raised, hey do some recon before you underestimate someone, now for our sake dont EVER EVER EVER tell this story again, its just imbarasing... lol

I know he had NOS or something. I know my car is slow and wasnt ment to be fast. But it still sucks. If I had had the S/C, I would have raced him.

The things my friend was saying to him was very funny though. My friend is huge and he just screws with everyone, the kid got really bent outta shape about the whole thing.

"Yeah whatever man, F your v8 lincoln dude" as he revs the engine and peels out :D

So you didn't even race him?:eek:

Why do you say that a Kia is the same as a Hyundai?

I love idiots with NOS... Cheap mod, and good way to destroy your car if you don't know what you're doing.

Hmmmm... punk with NOS knows what he's doning.... doubt it... he's driving a POS......

Then again remember the differnce in what you are driving vs the punk...

You walk out of your house to your dirve and see a nice car... he walks out and sees a POS and knows it... That's why he had to get all bent out of shape.... LOL.....

Kia is a lower version of Hyundai, like mazda is too ford, pontiac and chevy blah blah.

I do not know of many turbo kits for the Tib but if he had one you would of been able to tell. I know the 2.7 v6 has S/C's out there for them because I was researching mods for them when I was looking to get a new one.

I've killed so many modded tiburons...the only one that beat me was a custom turbo "tuscani" built to the teeth...of course it wasn't even a race...i didnt even want to do it.

When I put my loaded Kia Sorento next to a Ford, I get a combination of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Excape. I have a similar body style of the Escape, but bigger, and the rest is like the Explorer; right down to the Delco radio. I may be mistaken about this, but I have even heard that they are assembled in the same American plant - I just don't know which one. The similarities are striking, with the Kia coming out on the top. I have driven all three and decided on the Kia. Now, understand, I bought the model that was loaded because the stripped down version sucks. But, check them out and tell me you don't see the similarity.

When I put my loaded Kia Sorento next to a Ford, I get a combination of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Excape. I have a similar body style of the Escape, but bigger, and the rest is like the Explorer; right down to the Delco radio. I may be mistaken about this, but I have even heard that they are assembled in the same American plant - I just don't know which one. The similarities are striking, with the Kia coming out on the top. I have driven all three and decided on the Kia. Now, understand, I bought the model that was loaded because the stripped down version sucks. But, check them out and tell me you don't see the similarity.

Every car that kia makes is a direct rip-off of another car.

Think about it. They have:

The KIA that's a rip off of the jag s-type
The kia thats a rip off of the Galant
The KIA thats a rip-off of the Infiniti J30, or maybe the I30, I forget what model.

And the list goes on. All they do is bite everyones style. F a KIA, same to the hyundai

I am still amazed people do not know Hyundai and KIA are the same.

beamer ya got it bacwards FORD is the LOWER end of MAZDA:p

AHahah funny man Ford lower end hahahaa:D

I am still amazed people do not know Hyundai and KIA are the same.
I think the reason people don't know that is because it isn't true. Both are totally separate, publicly traded companies IIRC.

I think the reason people don't know that is because it isn't true. Both are totally separate, publicly traded companies IIRC.

Nope...not separate. Here's a quote from a press release on the Hyundai website:

Established in 1967, Hyundai Motor Co. has grown into the Hyundai Kia Automotive Group which includes over two dozen auto-related subsidiaries and affiliates. Employing over 50,000 people worldwide, Hyundai Motor posted US$26.1 billion in sales in 2004 (on a non-consolidated basis). Hyundai motor vehicles are sold in 193 countries through some 5000 dealerships and showrooms. Hyundai Motor Co. is a sponsor of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™.
Founded in 1944 and now celebrating its 60 th anniversary, Kia Motors Corporation (www.kiamotors.com) is Korea's oldest manufacturer of automobiles. As part of the Hyundai-Kia Automotive Group, Kia is among the world's fastest growing automobile companies and aims to be a premier global automaker. Kia's 15 manufacturing and assembly operations in 12 countries make more than a million vehicles a year that are sold and serviced through a network of distributors and dealers covering 190 countries. Kia today has 30,000 employees and annual revenues of $12 billion. It is the major sponsor of the Australian Tennis Open and an official worldwide sponsor of the Davis Cup.

They are still 2 separate companies.. sort of, depending on how you look at it. They are 36% owned by Hyundai. I am 99% sure they still trade under 2 separate tickers each with their own financials. From Hoovers:

Kia Motors took a detour through bankruptcy court on its way to becoming an affiliate of Hyundai Motor Company. South Korea's second-largest automaker, Kia racked up $10 billion in debt before creditors offered the company at auction. Rival Hyundai Motor submitted the highest bid and acquired 51% of Kia. (Hyundai Motor's stake has since been reduced to about 36%). In the US, Kia's models include the Sorento SUV, the Sedona minivan, the Rio compact sedan, and the new Amanti luxury sedan. Kia also makes commercial vehicles. The company's highest-capacity plants outside Korea are in China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, and Taiwan.

haha.. you guys are so insecure - "even if he won he's still driving a hyundai"

how often does the LS break down and how often did my old hyundai break down?

hyundai > any ford product.

right and mopeds don't break down either.

right and mopeds don't break down either.

:rolleyes:

i'd expect a fancy lincoln to be more reliable than a 10k hyundai.

Why would Lincoln owners even know or care about these cars. Take it to a different board.

Why would Lincoln owners even know or care about these cars. Take it to a different board.
Take a look at your board settings. Something must be wrong. Under your name it's showing "full member" instead of "moderator".

They are still 2 separate companies.. sort of, depending on how you look at it. They are 36% owned by Hyundai. I am 99% sure they still trade under 2 separate tickers each with their own financials.

If by trading under seperate symbols means seperate, yes you are correct. Last I saw Hyundai owned around 39% of KIA and was the largest shareholder of record. But they do share engineering design and manufacturing facilities such as Hyundai KIA America Technical Center. Very similar to the situation with Ford and Mazda with Ford owing about 29% of Mazda and having joint ventures like AAI in Flat Rock Michigan.

The point is that there is a controling interest, a commonality of production facilities, as well as design and engineering.

As somebody suggested earlier as Ford is to Mazda, they you have to be able to say as KIA is to Hyundai

I agree with that. What I don't agree with is the statement "Kia is Hyundai". That would mean (to me) a simple nameplate marketing setup like Ford/Lincoln/Mercury etc.

I agree with that. What I don't agree with is the statement "Kia is Hyundai". That would mean (to me) a simple nameplate marketing setup like Ford/Lincoln/Mercury etc.

WHAT?

Are you saying that Ford, Lincoln and Mercury are owned by the same company?

;)

Why take talking about other cars to another board? I am a LS owner yes, but I am not close-minded to just this car, I would take a Tiburon if it was possible, that is my kind of style. I like many different cars. As for Hyundai reliability to Lincoln, based on my Hyundai friends and what I see on here, the Lincoln seems to have more things that go wrong or do not work like they should compared to what I have heard from Hyundai owners.

I do not see how having a Lincoln makes us better than others, some just do not have the money or do not realize how easy getting one is. I atfirst thought I would never have an LS but I looked into it more and realized they are no more expensive than a new Civic(used Lincoln).

And what I meant about how Hyundai and KIA are the same is the fact that they use the same styles and parts, nothing to do w/ the ownership part but just how easy its to see the sameness in for instance: The Sonata and Optima. I do agree both like to steal designs, I thought stoled or honda sold Hyundai the older Accord style due to how close they look lol.

Was Kia affiliated with Ford in the late 90's?

Was Kia affiliated with Ford in the late 90's?

Yes...they built the Festiva for Ford.

EDIT: That was late 80s early 90s. I can't remember for sure, but they may have also had a hand in the Aspire.

I atfirst thought I would never have an LS but I looked into it more and realized they are no more expensive than a new Civic(used Lincoln).



i'm kinda young (23) and people often question how i can afford such a car. i find that odd since i'm not 16 but that's exactly the line i use and they shut up.

i'm exposed to a lot of german cars and compared to them the LS does not stand up. next car is german or jap.

I buy american.(period)

almost all of my friends are car guys. They have BMWs, Audi, Subaru, Pontiac, Chevy, Lincoln, Ford, VW, Honda etc...

All of them have had problems, Especially Audi (I know 3 people with them and all three have grown to hate them).

any way you cut it, its a car... stuff goes wrong or breaks or wears out, doesnt matter if it was built in korea or japan or canada.

Drive what you can afford or what turns your key.

I used to get all high and mighty about my Grand Prix and try to be all Anti rice (JAP).... until I got smoked at the track by a civic.. then taken down by a VW a couple months later... Anything can be made fast, so buy what you like... I give respect to anyone that got it going quick.

I have seen seen a Mustang smoke a Viper at the track..... :D I got a picture somewhere around here... and yes the Mustang was modded and set up for Drag Racing. :D

i'm kinda young (23) and people often question how i can afford such a car. i find that odd since i'm not 16 but that's exactly the line i use and they shut up.

i'm exposed to a lot of german cars and compared to them the LS does not stand up. next car is german or jap.

Well I was 21 when I got my LS(going on 23 soon).

I respect almost all cars too aslong as the owner is not a a-hole and thinks their type of car is the best(like a few LS owners I know). I used to be against the imports too but after opening my mind and realizing that not all are weak and "riced out" for the looks I began to like them. I would actually love a '99 or '00 Civic SI or the new one hehe.

I think foreign cars have always been thought to have better overall residual value, performance, and durability by most car buyers other than the 'necks who won't look at anything that doesn't say "Made in America" even though most of the carson the road are comprised of parts made and assembled all over the world.

Cars like the Mitsubish Eclipse and the Eagle Talon for instance...pretty much the exact same thing only the Eclipse "eclipsed" the Talon in terms of annual sales. This may have been caused by the fact the AWD Talon had a turbo option and was a lot more expensive opposed to the Eclipse's 2.0L. I think that like carb daddy said...all cars break down. But I do think some cars are better than others in terms of longevity and residual value, this may not even be due to the car itself...it could just be the misled opinion of the majority that causes the car to retain its value (like with the audi...thought to be one of the safest cars on the road).

And on a side note...I've seen a civic light up a Viper...and I mean light up...it wasn't even close...3-4 car lengths by the 1/4 mile...this civic was running 10s easy...

And finally...last year GM had 55% of its sales OUTSIDE the U.S according to CNN. This tells you either that more foreigners are buying cars (which is true) and/or that people outside the U.S. respect American cars more than Americans (which is pure speculation and probably not true)...

Next time some punk wippersnapper start saying how fast his car is and how hes gunna smoke your LS. you find your self a really curvy road and race him down that. It wont make a difference what his top end is around those corners. The LS loves twisties and Its got enuff getup and go to move in a short staitaway.

This is what I like to call leveling the playing field.

One of these days Im going to take a course and learn how to drift with this car?

to tell you the truth I havent had anything really "smoke" me yet in the lincoln. most of the time its more like a neck and neck scenario and Ill Ive done to this car is the exhaust.

What year was the Tib by the way, I know someone who has the 06 I think with the turbo or what ever it is. It was pretty fast but nothing to brag about.