Ah yes, more from the lying scumbag.

I have to run so I'll make this brief.

It appears Sen. sKerry brought 'footnotes' to the debate. Clearly in violation of the rules of the debate. Which explains why he pretended to be writing notes every time Bush was speaking. What he was actually doing was reading his notes so he could stay on message and make his Carville attack points.

We are attempting to capture the screenshot of him pulling out the paper from his inside lapel pocket.

If anybody can help, go to the C-SPAN video and capture a screenshot of it. For some reason I can't. It happens about 2:07 into the tape. We are also attempting to screen any additional footage after the debate to see who approaches the podium to remove the evidence.

Story developing...

The guy is the most despicable character in my human memory. sKeery is forcing me to have nightmares now. He is the central character in my nightmares. I can't get him out. Somebody please tell me that they have had enough of this P.O.S. and you are switching your vote to Bush so this nightmare of mine can end. Somebody please, please help. I'm drowning in disgust and contempt for this man.

What country will you go live in when Kerry gets elected?

What country will you go live in when Kerry gets elected?
Wherever it is not radioactive.

I just call a spade a spade. And scumbag cheater seems to fit pretty well. Go to C-Span and see the video yourself. 2:07-2:09. The go read the rules of the debate. Then come back and tell me it doesn't matter, which I am sure many will.

Say it with me. Anybody but Bush. Anybody but Bush. Anybody but Bush. Here, have another cup of Kerry Kool-Aid.

Putting one's head in the sand during this critical juncture in our nation's history won't make the truth go away.

First, im going to ask everyone to tone down the rehetoric a bit. Calling a candidate a liar or coward or whatever COULD be some kind of legal thing - like slander.... Plus, IMO, it diminishes the strength of the argument. THis isnt directed toward anyone in particular, we've all gotton a little heated here n there. Lets keep out arguments intelligent and adult.


Second.

Anybody but Bush!

That said.

I can see your drowning Bryan, but please. Cheating? "Story developing..." Developing where? Ive checked the drudge report, cnbc, cnn, fox, the washington post and did a google search, nothing. Cant find anything - so where is this story developing?

Beyond that, here's a little data -- The Election appears to hinge on just a few states - If Kerry can get a few of these he will probably win -Ohio (voted dem 2 of last 3 elections), Penn (who voted dem last 3 elections), and FL (who voted dem 2 of last 3 elections and nearly did the last time, funny GW's brother is the gov there)-- There are a handful of lessor states like MN, IA, OR and Wisconsen who voted Dem the last 3 elections) Basically, most of the "toss up" states have been decidedly dem for decades.

I think Kerry is gonna pull it off, albeit it'll be close.

:)

First, im going to ask everyone to tone down the rehetoric a bit. Calling a candidate a liar or coward or whatever COULD be some kind of legal thing - like slander....
Hey, I agree. If some people don't refer (ahem) to President Bush as a moron, some of us won't refer to pretender sKerry as a scumbag. Deal?http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

As far as the lying part, I won't back off of that. I have posted conclusive proof on this board that shows Kerry to be a liar. Their is nothing slanderous or libelous about the truth. In fact, Senator Kerry can sue me, because then I can ask the court to order him to release his records to prove me wrong. I'll take that chance. It is just that cut and dried for me. I stand by it. Sign the 180 form Senator Kerry and reveal yourself.

All the rest is in good political fun.

Can you imagine if you were supporting Bush and then seeing this evidence? I want to see this in a RNC commercial. Video of Kerry pulling out his cheat-sheet while the voice-over says, 'Can we really trust this guy, opps, guess not'.

The guy is a nut job.
He gets a manicure before a debate.
He wears a hair weave and then brags about his handsome hair.
He has rouge(sp) and lipstick on during the debate.
He wears spray-on tans while claiming to have gotten it during a 1 hour football game.
He dyes his hair.
He has caps on his teeth.

There is nothing real about this guy, nothing.

I may tone it down a bit, but this guy needs to be exposed and the Main Stream Media is not doing its job. So it leaves the rest of us having to rant and rave because the playing is not level, and hasn't been for 40 years.

I can see your drowning Bryan, but please. Cheating? "Story developing..." Developing where? Ive checked the drudge report, cnbc, cnn, fox, the washington post and did a google search, nothing. Cant find anything - so where is this story developing?
I am a shepherd, not a sheep. I lead, I do not follow. I trust in my instincts. I don't take anybody's word as the explicite truth. So I seek the truth. I dig. I ask questions. I communicate with others seeking the same truths that I seek.

I try to share here many things that the majority of our board will never see or be aware of. I'm not hunched down on the grassy knoll, I am right out in front. Take your best shot.

Take the time to look into the soul of the man you are supporting.
Go pray on your decision.
Ask the Lord to provide you the light to see clearly.
Put your pre-conceived biases and prejudices aside.
Cleanse your mind.
Start over.
Ask yourself, which guy do I want in office protecting me as I lay my head down to sleep?
Which guy cares more about us than he does himself?
Which guy will do everything they can to make sure the inevitable doesn't happen?

Only then will you be truly untethered to make this decision.

Bush was cheating too, he had crib notes on the kleenex he was weeping into and wiping the sweat of defeat off his face with.

:F

Bush has never lied???? If lying were the barometer of how fit one is to govern, Bush should have been impeached long ago...I'm continually amazed when people are outraged when a politician lies.....Newsflash to Bryan **THEY ALL LIE** What it comes down to in the end, is who the better liar is....

**THEY ALL LIE** What it comes down to in the end, is who the better liar is....
Wow. I love the standard and if that is true, we might as well turn the government 100% to the Democrats, because they got that part down to a science.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon13.gif

Sometimes I just can't believe what I read.

Bryan...do you honeslty believe in your heart that Bush has never lied with regards to politics??????? I can't believe what I read from you sometimes...

Talk about blindly following a candidate. How sad.

You really should get a life Bryan.

Hmmm lets see....

We went to war with Iraq because they had WMD -- wait, no, thats not it...
We went to war with Iraq because they were harboring AL Qaida - wait, no, thats not it..
We went to war with Iraq because they were a threat to others in the region..wait, no, thats not it...
We went to war with Iraq because they -- wait - anyone know why?

Talk about lies and flip flops..........

Talk about blindly following a candidate. How sad.



Most Bush supporters I know feel as I do. The man says what he believes and believes what he says. Has been, is and will be. How that can be misconstrued as lying is beyond me. Stubborn, yes; liar, no.

You believe Kerry? Yesterday? Today? Tomorrow?

I apologize, but exactly which Kerry am I to believe? The war hero or war protester? The primary candidate or the convention nominee? The promising talk of legislation to come or his voting record as Senator?

I do not blindly follow a candidate. I have certain disagreements with my President. But I honestly cannot fathom Kerry as President. Then again, I did not see Clinton as anything more than a savvy politician, and he obviously was.

My real fear is the next election cycle. I cannot see a likely contender in the Republican ranks to take over control. However, the Democrats have several standing in the wings, all chanting the same tired rhetoric.

DEBATE FACT: Afghanistan Voter Registration
Bush talked about 10 million registered voters in Afghanistan.

But: United Nations officials overseeing the elections admit that more than 10 million voting cards have been issued surpassing the estimated 9.8 million eligible voters.

"Probably there is a lot of multiple registering," U.N. spokesperson Manoel de Almeida e Silva said yesterday.



Hunt down terrorists
1. Bush: you gotta have a president who'll persue the terrorists

But:
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Driller: Excellent post. You hit the nail on the head with a 10 lb sledge. These guys can't explain one position Kerry has. And if he has one, I can almost guarantee you I can find a quote where he said the exact opposite.

Barry: Blindly follow?... X quz m wa? I have a choice between supporting a man or a mouse. I choose with all my conviction to support the man. Is that wrong?

Get a life?... I'm just trying to save yours, mine, my kids and everybody I know from the disaster waiting to happen named JFK.

Joey: We found Saddam in a hole. Bin Laden is either buried in a cave or hiding in somebody's hut. You want him so bad, grow a beard and hop a plane. You Italians could fit right in as camel jockeys.:N (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

Ron: After you explain what is is, I'll get back to you :sleep: (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)on your query about the art of Democratic vs Republican lying.

Anybody else? Bring it on!!! I got all night.

We should make the political forum a Pay-Per-View event because its Smack-Down Time baby.

My real fear is the next election cycle. I cannot see a likely contender in the Republican ranks to take over control.You know that McCain is the lead contender, don't you. Followed by Guliani.

Just like a Republican, Bryan..you have yet to answer my question. So I'll ask a 2nd time.(please remove blinders so you can see this time). "DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE BUSH HAS NEVER LIED, BEFORE BEING PRESIDENT, AND AFTER BEING ELECTED WITH REGARDS TO POLITICS".


Oh..and you didn't "find" Saddam. You were tipped off (by a supposed relative of his) that he was in the hole even after the military had inspected the property I believe 3 times prior without finding him....You definitely did not "find" him.

You Italians could fit right in as camel jockeys.


Geno, Ray -- You see this? I need you guys out here asap, we got some business with this irishman now.....

Geno, Ray -- You see this? I need you guys out here asap, we got some business with this irishman now.....That would be German/Irish/Italianman. And you'll need all 3 of you.

That's right, Bryan...your silence proves what we all know...Bush is a liar too....When you get around to it, answer my question....

Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!
Anybody but Bush!

"DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE BUSH HAS NEVER LIED, BEFORE BEING PRESIDENT, AND AFTER BEING ELECTED WITH REGARDS TO POLITICS".
Would it make you happy if I asked President Bush to step into the confessional and ask for forgiveness for the time he 'borrowed the pack of juicy-fruit' and didn't bring it back? Would that make you happy?


Oh..and you didn't "find" Saddam. You were tipped off (by a supposed relative of his) that he was in the hole even after the military had inspected the property I believe 3 times prior without finding him....You definitely did not "find" him.
If you wish to diminish the accomplishments of the US military in finding a man willing to hide 8 feet underground in a 3ft x 5 ft rat hole, smack dab in the middle of 167,000 square miles, go ahead. Make your day.

That's right, Bryan...your silence proves what we all know...Bush is a liar too....When you get around to it, answer my question....
According to you, Kerry should win hands down. After all, your liar is a bigger liar than my liar.

Sorry to ruin your day with the realization that Bush is a liar. My bad.

Oh..and EVERYONE in the military wanted to be the 1st to find Saddam. They were at the property several times and had NO CLUE he was there. Facts is facts. My facts don't diminish anything....



Nope..it just goes back to my initail post with regards to yours: I'm perplexed when people are actually shocked that a politician would lie.....LOL

Facts is facts. My facts don't diminish anything....
I guess I am confused, again. I think Saddam is living in a prison cell. I think before that he was hiding. Therefore, and you know I am not a smart guy, somebody must have 'found' him. That again is the only fact that matters. True?

You did not find him...he was "handed over" to you. The military was told where to find him. Exactly where.


You want me to bring you a Kerry For President T-Shirt when I come to WI next weekend? Let me know...What size you wear?

Would it make you happy if I asked President Bush to step into the confessional and ask for forgiveness for the time he 'borrowed the pack of juicy-fruit' and didn't bring it back? Would that make you happy?



no, he could just resign and I would be happy.

You want me to bring you a Kerry For President T-Shirt when I come to WI next weekend? Let me know...What size you wear?
You should bring me a t-shirt of this guy.

to bring my original question back..........



Cheating? "Story developing..." Developing where?

Ive checked the drudge report, cnbc, cnn, fox, the washington post and did a google search, nothing. Cant find anything - so where is this story developing?

There is a group of us that have been talking about this and trying to get it out to the media, to anybody that will listen. I sent an email to the RNC asking them to look into the actual tapes to see if they can enlarge the video to see what it is that sKerry pulled out of his jacket.

So right now, we are just trying to get this published and into the hands of the right wing media so we can use it to bash sKerry and show the world that he is not only a liar, but a cheater as well.

If you would like to join in our efforts, email me.

Like I said, you can go to C-Span and view the tape yourself. It is not the 'podium view' tape. It is the other one from behind. Look at the age of the tape between 2:07 and 2:09 after Lehrer introduces the 2 candidates.

We are trying to get a question entered into the next policy debate as a side-light to have sKerry explain exactly what he was doing. He won't answer it in a news conference because he doesn't hold any with the media anymore, so we need to get to him thru some other means, unless CBS decides to do a 60 Minutes investigatory special on it.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon8.gif

sounds like swift boat vet logic to me.

It is getting even better.

Between the C-Span Podium view tape hours of 1:26:55 and 1:26:58, after sKerry finished his closing argument, you can see him get nervous and then fiddle on the podium and see what appears to be a motion of his right hand into his right front jacket pocket, and then a look of relief after that is completed.

Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater.

Don't worry, all of this is being forwarded to the RNC and the 527's that favor Bush. Hopefully we'll see it on TV soon.

I saw him pull something from his lapel pocket and it did look like some kind of papers, i think it should be investigated before the next debate.

Here is a slow-mo of Kerry pulling the paper out.

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

The part where he slips it back into his pocket is also being worked on.

WAAAHOOO!!!

The truth made it to the front page of DRUDGE!!! Just goes to show you that the truth is going to triumph over this evil. And you heard it here first!

Instead of explaining what exactly it was that Kerry brought into the debate, we get this from the Democrats...

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."


P.S. We are still working on the part where Kerry puts it away. That is even better!!! You can see on his face that he knew what he was doing was wrong. It's great to catch this pretender cheating as well as the fact that it was proven this weekend he was lying about his Vietnam service.

I will continue working hard till every bit of his (lack of) character is exposed.

You know what- please.


First, if you look closely, BUSH also appears to be pulling something from his pocket...By his movements im guessing it was a pen. No biggie.

Second, from Kerry's movements it also looks like a pen to me.

Regardless - if thats all you got Bryan, you got problems. You are sounding like one of the reasons you couldnt even buy my vote for bush. It amazes me because I know you to be much smarter Bryan.

Your going to make a big HE CHEATED statement cuse kerrry brought a pen with him to the debate? Talk about desperate. Even the Bush people havent said anything about this - why? Cause there is nothing to talk about.

WHy dont you talk about the issues? None of the republicans want to talk about the issues, because as we saw during the debate, Bush has done a lousey job when it gets right down to it and has little grasp of the real issues. Why dont you talk about the economy, the jobs being shipped overseas, the budget deficit, education, health care, iraq, oil prices, etc etc. You guys know one thing -terrorism. Guess what. There is more to our country then homeland security. Security is an important issue, but its not the only issue.


Bush has given us no meaningful direction as to what he plans to do about health care, the enviroment, education. He has no exit plan for Iraq, our military is stretched so thin that we can barely deal with what he has us into now, the economy is a mess and what GW did with the tax break was to make it worse. We went from a budget surplus to a deficit to the tune of almost a trillion dollars. 5 million americans have lost health insurance during the last 3 years - whats GW gonna do about that? Come on Bryan, tell me. Give me a reason to vote for GW -

Stop telling me why to not vote for kerry, start telling me why I should vote for Bush. Stop telling me the glass is half empty -tell me how its half full.

Anyone but Bush? Yeah, pretty much. Now ask me why. Its because GW has done a bad job, and I dont expect him to do better as a lame duck.

Instead of having you try to change the subject of this thread, I choose to stay on topic. So post the other stuff somewhere else and I would be happy to respond.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

I have been working on this for 3 days now. There is alot more than meets the eye. This all that Drudge has used at this point. Other views show sKerry opening up a folded piece of paper. I don't believe anybody put folded paper on the podium. We are trying to interview the person that put the items on the podiums before hand to describe in detail what was there before Monsieur Kerry and Bush got on stage.

Now maybe you'll argue it was a white Blanc Pen and maybe it was Kerry's magic hat. Ya, that's it. His magic Vietnam hat. He doesn't go anywhere without it. Go ahead, try to make the case.

You obviously haven't bothered looking at the debate. You'll also see Kerry slip something into his pocket after the debate, even though assistants from both parties went out and cleaned the podiums afterwards.

I hope your holding your breath, because you have another 4 weeks to keep your head in the sand. Good Luck!

It may well turn out to be nothing, but right now it sure looks like something. We'll have to wait until the high res tape, I believe it was a 700 line (regular TV is around 450 line) from a Boston station is blown up and zoomed in.

Ah, the truth, ain't it a beautiful thing.

Based on the Transcripts, it appears Mr. Kerry and Jim Lehrer were having a little ESP episode going on during the debate.


Kimberly (who first brought to our notice this Kerry cheat) posted:

In Kerry's 90 second response to the first question posed to the President, he states that the President made "a colossal error of judgment", in reference to going to war in Iraq as opposed to staying only in Afghanistan. When his 90 second response is completed, the next question goes to Kerry. Lehrer says, "Colossal misjudgments. What colossal misjudgments, in your opinion, has President Bush made in these areas?". Now, Lehrer said in his opening statement, that all of the questions were written, in advance, by him. The questions were apparently not just off the cuff, determined by what either candidate had just said, but pre-planned. So how is it, that Kerry just happened to mention in his 90 second response, the phrase "colossal error of judgment", and the very next question to Kerry from Lehrer was, coincidentally, "what errors in judgment do you think the President made?".

Why would Lehrer have asked this question if he didn't know that Kerry was going to use that particular phrase at that time? Was he just making up questions off the cuff to make the President look as bad as possible, despite saying the questions were written beforehand? Or did he know what Kerry was going to say, and asked the question according to the script??

Second example. Kerry says, also in a 90 second response, that he came back from Vietnam and spoke out against the war (I didn't get the whole context). Next question from Lehrer to Kerry, "Speaking of Vietnam...". Wow, Kerry sure was throwing lots of good lead-in lines to Lehrer, wasn't he??

Later, Kerry is talking about the situation in Darfur, Sudan. Just guess what the next question from Lehrer to Kerry is about?


Lehrer (during the introduction): "The umbrella topic is foreign policy and homeland security, but the specific subjects were chosen by me, the questions were composed by me, the candidates have not been told what they are, nor has anyone else."

Boy, would I like to see a copy of his questions page.

Security is an important issue, but its not the only issue.


Without security, the other issues are moot points.

Economy? MY economy hasn't been all that bad considering the trials and tribulations we've endured.

Jobs being shipped overseas? This didn't just happen guys, it's been going on for decades. We also import jobs from foriegn manufacturers as well.

Budget deficit? I'll give you this one. I'm not happy with it, but considering the circumstances, I'll run a budget deficit for now.

Education? Health care? Yeah, I know, it's so bad, people come from all over the world to be educated and treated here.

Oil prices? Funny, weren't we conservatives just accused of setting up the oil price to fall so Bush could get re-elected? Man, we can't win for loosing. LOL.

Iraq? We could argue this one till the cows come home. argue2

I wanna know... what happened to the CBS scandal? It was all a buzz when it was Bush didn't do this, Bush got this... but now that the facts have surfaced it has vanquished.

Gotcha. :F

Just to keep this thread updated.

The Kerry campaign has admitted that Mr. Kerry brought a black fountain pen into the debate, in clear violation of the rules. (I can hear alot of you saying big deal. Well, it is a big deal. It again demonstrates that Mr. Kerry is incapable of telling the truth as this was denied by the Dems for 3 days before coming forward with an explanation.) Wait till he gets in office. He will give a whole new meaning to the word "stonewalling'.

I am sure we will be seeing a public apology from Senator Kerry today as he stumps around for this obvious violation. NOT!

Oh, that's right. Rules are for the fly-over crowd, not an elitist such as himself. The media is going to drop this like a rock and not one person will ask for an explanation or an apology. Another sad episode in the election campaign of John Kerry. I can't wait for him to be President. He will be providing daily entertainment for us all.

Kerry's response: I decided not to bring the pen into the debate, before I did.

if the best you got is bring a fountain pen into a debate, and some flimsey evidence of events 35 years ago - Ill be quite happy on Nov 3rd..

Dude - doesnt it bother you that everything negative about bush is about his policies and failure as a president, and everthing negative about kerry is silly BS about fountain pens?

Bryan - wake up and smell the espresso --

Wonder who Kerry's Sec of State will be................

if the best you got is bring a fountain pen into a debate, and some flimsey evidence of events 35 years ago - Ill be quite happy on Nov 3rd..For your sake, I hope so. I wouldn't want the depression you'll be experiencing for the next 4 years to affect your ability to run the board.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

Dude - doesnt it bother you that everything negative about bush is about his policies and failure as a president, and everthing negative about kerry is silly BS about fountain pens?Not at all, and not in the least.
This is all about Kerry.

It is about the fact that he has been a liar since his early, formative years.

It is about the fact that he is a traitor to our country, encouraging the senseless torture of hundreds of US soldiers and costing thousands of additional US soldiers lives, in addition to the deaths of millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians.

It is about the fact that he has publicly stated that he finds it difficlut to support any war. And now we are involved in the most important war in the history of mankind and we should trust him to prosecute it effectively.

It is about maintaining our sovereignty as the most powerful nation in the world and maintaining our right to take pre-emptive action anywhere in the world without the need to get a permission slip from a corrupt international body.

It is about the fact that he has done nothing, NOTHING, in 20 years as a US Senator and runs on a platform based on 4 months of miltary service where almost everything he claims to have accomplished has been refuted..

It is about his constant political flip-flopping on important domestic and national foreign policy issues.

It is about the fact that Kerry will raise my taxes so I may no longer be able to afford a better private education for my kids, leading my children to a lower standard of living when they grow up.

It is about the support he has for people that are outraged when a man kills a pregnant women, but not so, when a woman voluntarily murders her own child.

It is about my children being able to use their own money to save for retirement, instead of relying on a government handout that will never be there.

It is about keeping GOD in our lives and in our public squares.

It is about providing afforable, private health care. Not a nationalized system that will provide a lower standard of care for everyone and discourage people from entering the profession, leading to long delays in care and unncessary deaths.

It is about reforming tort laws so people can create and sell products and services without the fear of one mistake costing them their livelihood.

It is about maximizing our own resources so we don't have to fight battles around the world because Americans are too greedy to conserve what we use.

It is about using our power both militarily and economically to bring peace and prosperity to the untold billions of oppressed in this world.

I can go on and on and on.

So you see Joey, it is about alot more than Senator Kerry willfully breaking the rules. We expect that from him. We just don't want to see him breaking the rules while in the Oval Office and I myself, will do everything I can to see that that never happens by preventing him from taking office in the first place by convincing people not to vote for him on November 2nd..

Bryan - wake up and smell the espresso -- Never drank it, never will. Life is my stimulant, thank you.

Wonder who Kerry's Sec of State will be................Holbrooke. A disaster in the making. The person who will be the most responsible for World War III.

So are you saying the reason GW was stumbling around like a retard, looking like a deer caught in headlights, unable to speak clearly and enuncuate his words, repeating the same old crap over and over was because of Kerry's magic pen? Was it one of those superhero pens that takes control of the heads of the feeble-minded? Yes..those magic pens should be banned....HAHAHAHAHAH

Yes..those magic pens should be banned....HAHAHAHAHAHI agree, it looks like RRocket is under the spell of one now. ;)

Drudge catches Bush cheating during the debate
by John in DC - 10/3/2004 04:22:21 PM

Matt Drudge has been on a roll lately in terms of posting anti-Kerry attacks photos, documents, etc., that end up biting Bush in the ass. Drudge outdoes himself today with a post claiming Kerry came to the debate podium and allegedly takes a sheet of paper out of his breast pocket. The debate rules apparently say that you can bring NOTHING to the podium not even paper or pencil, and that all the materials will be placed for you on the podium.

Oh, but only as Drudge can do, the video Drudge posts as "proof" on his site bites Bush in the ass. If you zoom the video to full screen (right click on it while it's running and click "zoom" and then "full screen") you can see Bush unfolding a piece of paper and laying it down on his podium! Remember the debate rules say all paper will already be on the podium, and unless the debate organizers folded the paper up in a wad before placing it on the podium, Bush is cheating with his own cheat sheet.

Now, I could care less about this issue, but how dare Drudge and company try to come up with a scandal here when their own boy is caught doing exactly what they're accusing Kerry of doing?

Check out the Drudge video and keep your eyes on Bush's hands - notice his unfolding and laying flat a piece of paper. Priceless. (I particularly like the cheesy 1970s porn music in the background of the video.)



Bryan,

You helped point this out, right? Way to go, you really are a closet Kerry supporter, aren't you?

You helped point this out, right? Way to go, you really are a closet Kerry supporter, aren't you?
Uh, nice try Phil. I was one of a group of 6 of us that brought 'jacketgate' to the attention of the bloggers. Each piece of video footage was disseminated with lots of detail.

The video you are speaking of is nothing more than President Bush arriving at the podium and taking the white bic pen with black cap that was already present on the podium, picking it up, turning it over and placing the cap on the non-writing end.

Good try. This was an attempt to create and obfuscate the fact the Kerry violated the election rules on the part of the left. Remember the Democratic montra. DADDA...Deny, Acuse, Deflect, Deny, Attack. Works every time with the liberal media.

Now that Fox News has released their high-definition video footage, rest assured that people are looking at this footage closely to determine if indeed the Senator not only brought in a black pen (in addition to the white bic pen already placed on the podium) but also a small folded piece of paper that may have contained 'talking points'. The paper portion of the story is still in contention and I am no longer convinced it is accurate. I have blogged on many sites to this effect.

Joey must be going crazy. Somebody send him some Scotch, quick.

The bump that he was counting on in the polls is simply not there, maybe 1 point average over all the polls out and Bush's internals actually went UP AFTER the debate. Is America great or what?

Joey must be going crazy. Somebody send him some Scotch, quick.
I rarely drink - and Vodka is my preference when I do


The bump that he was counting on in the polls is simply not there

Actually - its back to a dead heat according to a CNN/USA Today Poll


Hmm, I wonder if GW will get less then half the vote, yet somehow win again.

Think he can pull the FLA thing off twice?

Think he can pull the FLA thing off twice?Not if the double-registered Democrats have anything to say about it.

Not if the double-registered Democrats have anything to say about it.
How do you think Chicago has stayed democrat so long? vote early, vote often!

Here are parts of the Debate (http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/duhbate.wmv)

Pretty much explains it all for me.

And here is another - more interesting....... video (http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/george_w_bush_drunk_at_wedding_(funny).mov)

I hope Kerry cheated, I hope he wrote down his entire debate on some index cards. It demonstrates commitment. He chose his answers, knew what he wanted to touch on, and followed through. Kerry cheated! Good! He had the gumption to do so... Bush should have cheated in the last four years... Maybe if Bush cheated, Osama would be some homeless dude holding a sign saying "Stop The War" on Park Ave, in NYC. That would be great! But, no, we forgot Osama didn't we? Actually, we didn't forget Osama under Bush's reign. Remember 9/11? Do you?

First thing President Bush did, and this is fact was grab the Bin Laden Family, throw them on a Air Force One and got them "Outta Dodge."

Why? Why? Why? Why?

Our President, George W. Bush let the "Lights Go Down On Broadway" and then rescued the family of the one responsible. And this was his Prioritized First Reaction!

I wonder if Bush had planned that out on a little Index Card while the Tower's fell? (You know, out at the ranch, where he keeps all his little cards)

Let Kerry, lie, cheat, steal, and tan himself all he wants.... cuz it won't be US he's doing it to.

That's more Fahrenheit 911 propaganda. Talk about manipulating the facts.

Osama is bat food.

I predict the confirmation of his death will be announced before the election.

That's more Fahrenheit 911 propaganda. Talk about manipulating the facts.Never saw it, maybe I should.

Our Country, was one of the most respected, feared, appreciated, and aligned unions in the world, now we are the complete opposite...

Not only did Bush ruin us at a more austere level then ever before in our Democratic History, his actions will also be the cause of Tony Blair's Demise. Like we don't have enough trouble in Europe.

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The photo is the attached tag with the washing instructions in both English and French. The English is exactly what you would expect and so is the French, for the first 6 lines. The last three lines of French are most interesting. "We are sorry that our President is an idiot. We didn't vote for him." Given recent strained relations between our two countries, it's good to see that not all Americans agree with the current administration.

Our Country, was one of the most respected, feared, appreciated, and aligned unions in the world, now we are the complete opposite... Whatever . . . and people say Bush isn't living in reality. I will concede that perception of the U.S. has declined worldwide, and that is regrettable. But the actions of the govt. directly after the 9/11 attacks has been proven to be appropriate. The naysayers to this refuse to believe the facts and instead cling to conspiracy theories. I'm sure "Fahrenheit 911" is just your cup of kool-aid.

And hiding a political statement on a product to an unsuspecting consumer is disgraceful any way you look at it. If anyone needs to apologize, it's the French to the U.S. for the shady ties they had to Saddam and the corruption involved.

Whatever . . . and people say Bush isn't living in reality. I will concede that perception of the U.S. has declined worldwide, and that is regrettable. .Good.
But the actions of the govt. directly after the 9/11 attacks has been proven to be appropriate. .Proven Appropriate? By Who? Maybe by Salem Bin Laden's Surviving Family Membes? Any Bush Advocates want to attest to that relationship from the late '70s until... when? '88? or '90? When George made out on the insider trading of almost $900,000 just in time for Iraq to invade Kuwait.
And hiding a political statement on a product to an unsuspecting consumer is disgraceful any way you look at it. If anyone needs to apologize, it's the French to the U.S. for the shady ties they had to Saddam and the corruption involved.Awww c'mon ... How Will I Laugh Tomorrow, If I Can't Even Smile Today?

I'm sure there's no relation between the two situations... :rolleyes:

The naysayers to this refuse to believe the facts

3 years after 9/11, 43% of Americans believe Saddam was "directly involved" in 9/11 (Newsweek Poll, Set. 10, 2004) Are those the facts you're talking about? Are Americans really that clueless?? Or are they just that stupid??

3 years after 9/11, 43% of Americans believe Saddam was "directly involved" in 9/11 (Newsweek Poll, Set. 10, 2004) Are those the facts you're talking about? Are Americans really that clueless?? Or are they just that stupid??Confusing poll results with facts again Ron? You hold onto your beliefs despite evidence to the contrary, what's the difference? Those people polled are no different than you, so lay off the stupid comments as I take that stuff personally coming from a foreigner.

Lots of people have a death grip on this outrageous conspiracy theory and nothing I say will persuade them otherwise as it is rooted in a deep mistrust and hatred of Bush. But don't expect me to let it go unchallenged when it's touted as truth. Hottweelz made a post, and I responded with a short reply. He made another, so did I. Then even more crap is posted about more UNPROVEN allegations, like we haven't heard it all a thousand times before. It's not just a broken record, it's a broken broken record. But I can't force you to change the song cause you like it so much.

And hottweelz, what if you found a tag on your shirt that said "You Americans are stupid" written in Arabic. Not so funny anymore.

And hottweelz, what if you found a tag on your shirt that said "You Americans are stupid" written in Arabic. Not so funny anymore.
I do give you that... poor taste on my part due to the heat of the moment.

I do give you that... poor taste on my part due to the heat of the moment.Me too. Whoever wins the election, he'll be my president and your president, whether it be Kerry or Bush.

p.s. Ron's good at pushing my button with the "stupid American" thing, isn't he. :Beer

Me too. Whoever wins the election, he'll be my president and your president, whether it be Kerry or Bush.

p.s. Ron's good at pushing my button with the "stupid American" thing, isn't he. :BeerOk Cool! ... Kerry...

And Rob's a foreigner? LOL... like what country? Canada? :N

...Kerry...

I can't wait for Quebec to take over the rest of Canada. Then you'll hear him squeal! http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

Squeal Like A Pig ...
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I don't quite picture Ron squeeling like a pig, but I do picture him cackling like the Jo-Ker.
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No matter what political party you support, it's hard for me, as a Vietnam veteran of the US Army (9th Inf. Div., 1969-70) to see how a guy who came home after a tour of only 4 months in 'Nam (after "manipulating the system" to get 3 purple hearts for "scratches", not real wounds) could hook up with Ted Kennedy (I liked John and Robert, by the way, but Ted is a "different animal"), testify/lie before the Senate committee, turn his back on his buddies who covered his back while he was in 'Nam, call them "murderers and baby-killers", and sully the name of all the brave men who served in Vietnam...there are plenty of patriotic and good democrats around, but not this guy...I agree that he is indeed despicable...that's my opinion...one more thing...we can disagree without insulting each other, and making it personal, I believe...for those of you who don't know or aren't veterans, the normal tour of duty in Vietnam was 1 year...

The Mystery of the Bulge in the Jacket
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

Published: October 9, 2004

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - What was that bulge in the back of President Bush's suit jacket at the presidential debate in Miami last week?

According to rumors racing across the Internet this week, the rectangular bulge visible between Mr. Bush's shoulder blades was a radio receiver, getting answers from an offstage counselor into a hidden presidential earpiece. The prime suspect was Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's powerful political adviser.
When the online magazine Salon published an article about the rumors on Friday, the speculation reached such a pitch that White House and campaign officials were inundated with calls.

First they said that pictures showing the bulge might have been doctored. But then, when the bulge turned out to be clearly visible in the television footage of the evening, they offered a different explanation.

"There was nothing under his suit jacket," said Nicolle Devenish, a campaign spokeswoman.

"It was most likely a rumpling of that portion of his suit jacket, or a wrinkle in the fabric."

Ms. Devenish could not say why the "rumpling" was rectangular.

Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one.

ecallis :W to :V :I with you.

ecallis,

Are you saying that there were no atrocities committed by our forces in Viet Nam?

ecallis,

Are you saying that there were no atrocities committed by our forces in Viet Nam?
Barry,

Are you saying that atrocities were committed by basically everyone in Vietnam as Kerry alluded to in his broad stroke statements?

I'm sorry, are you having trouble reading? I asked a clear question which you did not answer.

And I'm sorry that you're defending Kerry's statements. At any time Kerry could apologize for portraying the Vietnam war as one big atrocity with all servicemen guilty. No one is saying that atrocities were not committed by criminals in the armed forces. That's a big difference than saying "committed by our armed forces." I realize we're just arguing over semantics, but if ecallis was offended by Kerry's statement that portrayed him personally as some kind of criminal, then why are you stepping in? I'm suspecting you may be a Vietnam vet yourself. Is that the case? Is there some point you want to get across? If there is then state your case.

Ken, are you asking him to look in the mirrorhttp://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon5.gifhttp://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon7.gif

No, I am not a vet. I was 18 in 1970 and I was 1A for a year. I am not sure if I would have gone. I did hear those hearings first hand and I never heard Kerry place the blame on all GIs. Atrocities were committed and they should have been reported just as they have been recently.

While I agree that posing Arabic men in homosexual positions is nothing compared to chopping someone's head off I feel that we, as a country, should rise above the fray and treat our prisoners with as much moral fairness as possible. The rules of war should be obeyed even if the enemy ignores them.

While I agree that posing Arabic men in homosexual positions is nothing compared to chopping someone's head off I feel that we, as a country, should rise above the fray and treat our prisoners with as much moral fairness as possible.I would argue a few bad apples don't ruin the whole barrel. But that is exactly what Kerry said. He said all the apples were rotten. Especially the trees (gov) from which they grew. That is why so many people have a problem with what Kerry said.

I've not been able to find the text of that speech. I'd be willing to read it to determine the context of the Kerry's statement. I remember hearing it on the news but I've never seen more than the sound bites.

i'll get the transcript for you. In the mean time, here is some more to chew on...



Here's Krauthammer on Kerry: It is hard to see what Kerry has to offer beyond biography. The issue of our time is the war on terrorism. Bush's strategy throws out the old playbook on terrorism - the cops-and-robbers, law-and-order strategy of arrest and trial followed by complacency - and takes the war to the enemy. Kerry says terrorism is "primarily an intelligence and law-enforcement operation" - precisely the misconception that had us waking up on Sept. 12 realizing that while the enemy was preparing for war, we were preparing legal briefs for grand juries.

And where did Kerry stand on the most critical national-security questions of the past two decades? In 1991 he voted against the Gulf War, which he now says he was in favor of. Twelve years later, he voted in favor of the Iraq war, which he now tells us he was against. Then he voted against the $87 billion for reconstruction and troop support while telling us that of course he supports both the reconstruction and the troops.

War hero he is. But a man of so many pirouettes hardly inspires confidence as a resolute President. That should not surprise us. The very idea that national service, even heroic service, necessarily correlates with great presidential leadership is simply irrational.

Read the whole thing.





Here's Steyn on Kerry. The only relevant lesson from Vietnam is this: then, as now, it was not possible for the enemy to achieve military victory over the US; their only hope was that America would, in effect, defeat itself. And few men can claim as large a role in the loss of national will that led to that defeat as John Kerry. A brave man in Vietnam, he returned home to appear before Congress and not merely denounce the war but damn his "band of brothers" as a gang of rapists, torturers and murderers led by officers happy to license them to commit war crimes with impunity. He spent the Seventies playing Jane Fonda and he now wants to run as John Wayne.

Vietnam was a "war of choice". But, once you chose to go in, there was no choice but to win. America's failure of will had terrible consequences. The Seventies - the Kerry decade - was the only point in the Cold War in which the eventual result seemed in doubt. The Communists seized real estate all over the globe, in part because they calculated that the post-Vietnam, Kerrified America would never respond. In the final indignity, when the proto-Islamist regime in Teheran seized the embassy hostages, they too shrewdly understood how thoroughly Kerrified America was. It took Mrs Thatcher's Falklands war and Reagan's liberation of Grenada to reverse the demoralisation of the West that Kerry did so much to advance.

Senator Kerry has done a good job of enlarging himself but the reality is simple: George W Bush's America has won two swift wars and overthrown two enemy regimes; John Kerry was heroic in a war that America lost and whose loss he celebrated. Since then he's been a model lack-of-conviction politician. The question for anyone who thinks Kerry has "credibility" on national security is a simple one: who do you think Iran, North Korea, Syria, al-Qa'eda's Saudi paymasters and the rogue elements in Pakistan's ISI would prefer to see elected this November?

Answer: John Kerry. Which is Reason Number One to vote against him.

I was going to post bits and pieces but I think it would be worthwhile for everybody to read it.



When you are finished, I think you will see the odds similarities to our 'war on terror'. The wrong war, wrong place. etc. etc. Pretty sCARY coming from Mr. sKERRY. And this is the guy that 1/2 the country wants to elect to continue the most important war we have ever faced...

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I read the transcript thouroughly and I can't understand your view. What John Kerry did in 1970 took great courage. I would have done the same thing had I been in his shoes.

I also read that John Kerry has the same views today as he had back then. I don't think that you should be questioning his consistancy.

Let's talk about today. I believe that the war in Iraq is wrong on the same level as Vietnam was in 1970. We went in for the wrong reason. I was hoping for a solution that didn't require violence, but I stood with the President when he made the final decision. I was glued to my television for weeks, hoping for a seizure of WMD. I wanted to feel justified in putting my faith in our Commander-In-Chief. I was miserably disappointed. I lost faith.

Now that there appears to be no WMD the POTUS wants us all to think that Iraq needed a preemptive strike because Saddam "could" have reconstituted his WMD programs "if" the sanctions were relaxed. Saddam's new crime is perverting the Oil for Food program. I don't think that those are good enough reasons to put our men and women in harm's way.

The President's accusations that "Kerry voted for it too" and "He saw the same intelligence" are about as lame as it gets. The intellegence was disseminated from the POTUS to Congress, not the other way around.

I really wish I could see your point of view, but I can't. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I also read that John Kerry has the same views today as he had back then. I don't think that you should be questioning his consistancy.It is his consistency that is the problem. Go read his book, the new war. I'll even send you an email of it because Kerry refuses to let the book be republished but I have a copy of it. He wants to fight the terror war the same way he fought the Vietnam war. By backing into it because he was forced to and then retreating as soon as he could.

I can't believe you read that and come out with that conclusion. Great courage... my a$$. Anybody can turn traitor like Kerry did. Anybody can collude with the enemy and provide aid and comfort to that same enemy. The Communist North Koreans spent more money in the US recruiting weaklings like Kerry than they did prosecuting their own war.

Kerry said only 4000-5000 additional people would be killed if the US backed out. The reality was that an additional 5000-6000 US troops died and an additional 2,000,000 -3,000,000 South Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laosians were also killed.

And then you have the nerve to be upset about losing 1,000 US soldiers, less than 750 in combat; to defend against the most terrifying weapons on this planet getting into the wrong hands.

I would like to see the country split up. All conservatives and Republicans can move west of the Mississippi, and all you liberal crack heads and Democrats can have east of the Mississippi. We get the military to defend us and you guys can use John Kerry and the UN to defend yourself. Deal?




Like Bush has said. The terrorists only need to be right ONCE. We need to be right everytime. Just wait till we get attacked again. I guarantee all you lefties will be bitching and whining about why we didn't do anything about it.

Bryan,
When the country gets split, republicans can have all the factory farms too!!!

Environmental Hogwash
By Christopher D. Cook
In These Times

Friday 10 October 2004

The EPA works with factory farms to delay regulation of 'Extremely Hazardous Substances.'

Chicken has taken on a whole new meaning for Faye Lear, of White Plains, in western Kentucky, who lives 300 feet from two giant barns containing thousands of birds laying eggs for Tyson Foods.

There are the sickening wafts of ammonia and bird feather dust that chase her inside from her front porch. Clouds of well-fed flies swarm her car windows. Once a year, when the barns are emptied for cleaning, mass infestations of mice overrun the neighborhood.

"It's like an open sewer for a big city," says Lear, who works as a nurse. "It's nauseating, it burns your eyes. I wouldn't call them a farm-they're like an industry."

Across the country, thousands of these "factory farms"-each warehousing thousands of tightly confined hogs, chickens or cows-produce potentially toxic air emissions. These fumes are the byproduct of 1.3 billion tons of waste created annually by the sprawling compounds, which are the top polluters of America's waterways according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Despite this torrent of manure, and a growing number of lawsuits by sickened neighbors, "there are essentially no pollution controls on these operations whatsoever," says Sierra Club attorney Barclay Rogers. "The environment is being wrecked by these operations."

But the EPA isn't ready to stanch this stench anytime soon. According to documents obtained by the Sierra Club through a Freedom of Information Act request, the EPA has developed a voluntary air monitoring program in close collaboration with animal-industry groups such as the National Pork Producers Council (NPPC) and the US Poultry and Egg Association. (The cattle industry chose not to participate.)

The plan, still being hashed out internally at the agency "resolves [participating companies'] civil liability for potential violations" of federal clean air laws. In effect, this would mean a two-year amnesty from enforcement of the Clean Air Act-as well as immunity from federal Superfund and environmental right-to-know laws. During this time, some of the nation's largest pig and chicken facilities would gather air emissions data. Only later could they be penalized for exceeding the emmissions limits for ammonia and hydrogen sulfide.

Environmentalists are up in arms. "The exchange of data for prosecutorial immunity is antithetical to the notion of aggressive environmental enforcement," says Rogers.

"These [poultry] operations are generating extraordinary quantities of ammonia gas," says Rogers. Ammonia gas is listed as an "Extremely Hazardous Substance" in the Superfund law and is a key contributor to particulate matter pollutants. Indeed, EPA researchers have found that "animal husbandry operations" are responsible for 73 percent of all ammonia released into the air nationwide.

In 2001, EPA inspectors detected disturbingly high releases of ammonia from Buckeye Egg Farm in Ohio, then the nation's fourth-largest egg producer. Some Buckeye facilities were churning out 700-800 tons of particulate matter per year-far in excess of the federal air-quality reporting standard of 250 tons. After years of enforcement battles begun under the Clinton administration, the EPA this past February secured a Clean Air Act settlement and a $880,598 civil penalty against the now-defunct Buckeye.

A 1999 analysis of air data by the Environmental Defense Fund found that hog operations spew 167 million pounds of ammonia nitrogen into the atmosphere each year in North Carolina alone. "Studies in the North Carolina region where hog facilities are clustered show that the level of ammonia in rain has doubled in the past decade," the report stated.

Epidemiological studies, meanwhile, suggest the fumes may cause increased rates of asthma, chronic bronchitis and other respiratory disorders. A 1999 report prepared by epidemiologist Steve Wing for the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services found that people residing near a large hog facility suffered increased levels of nausea, diarrhea and respiratory problems.

The livestock industry dismisses such information. "There has not been anything scientifically proven that these hog barns would cause any ill to human beings," says Kara Flynn, director of communications for the NPPC. "I travel routinely to hog farms and I've never smelled anything that caused me any grief ... it's actually very pleasant, surprisingly, fairly normal." Flynn says, "We are paying for that study to take place so that they [EPA] can ... come up with regulations that impact us. I think that's more than fair."

The EPA-citing a 2002 National Academy of Sciences report calling for further study-insists that it needs more information before it can enforce the law. "A lot of people assume we know the quantity and type of emissions coming from these [animal feeding operations] and we don't," says EPA Press Secretary Cynthia Bergman. Rather than going after companies one by one, says Bergman, "a better way is to figure out what their emissions are industrywide."

But critics say the Bush administration's EPA has dragged its feet and stifled the momentum of factory-farm enforcement begun under President Clinton. Michele Merkel, a former EPA staff attorney now working with the Washington DC-based Environmental Integrity Project, says the agency "hasn't initiated one investigation in four years. They're not doing anything."

Most distressing, says Merkel, is that the EPA has spent years negotiating a voluntary "safe harbor" approach when the agency has long had the "authority to gather the kind of data it needs to determine emissions levels at these industrial farming operations. It doesn't need industry's permission. It doesn't need to sign up to this voluntary agreement. They're privatizing a rulemaking process."

Environmentalists call the EPA plan a "sweetheart" deal between the Bush administration and the livestock sector, which contributed $3.46 million to candidates for federal office in 2004, 79 percent of it to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Indeed, on September 16 the NPPC presented its "Friend of the Pork Producer" award to President Bush, citing his "tireless efforts to use reason and science in shaping environmental policies impacting agriculture."

Now Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho) is preparing legislation to exempt industrial farms from federal Superfund and right-to-know laws altogether, potentially rendering the EPA plan moot. A coalition of 33 family farm and environmental groups is lobbying hard to block the rider.

I read the transcript thouroughly and I can't understand your view. What John Kerry did in 1970 took great courage. I would have done the same thing had I been in his shoes.

I also read that John Kerry has the same views today as he had back then. I don't think that you should be questioning his consistancy.

Let's talk about today. I believe that the war in Iraq is wrong on the same level as Vietnam was in 1970. We went in for the wrong reason. I was hoping for a solution that didn't require violence, but I stood with the President when he made the final decision. I was glued to my television for weeks, hoping for a seizure of WMD. I wanted to feel justified in putting my faith in our Commander-In-Chief. I was miserably disappointed. I lost faith.

Now that there appears to be no WMD the POTUS wants us all to think that Iraq needed a preemptive strike because Saddam "could" have reconstituted his WMD programs "if" the sanctions were relaxed. Saddam's new crime is perverting the Oil for Food program. I don't think that those are good enough reasons to put our men and women in harm's way.

The President's accusations that "Kerry voted for it too" and "He saw the same intelligence" are about as lame as it gets. The intellegence was disseminated from the POTUS to Congress, not the other way around.

I really wish I could see your point of view, but I can't. We'll have to agree to disagree.

:I

I must add here that I'm sick of hearing the GOP battle cry of "Kerry voted against the $87B for the war". The FACT of the matter was that of that $87B, Kerry voted for the $67B that was allocated to support the troops, what he TOOK ISSUE WITH was the other $20B for rebuilding Iraq following the war, because he felt that it was NOT ENOUGH!!! How much more twisting and distorting of the TRUTH must we suffer from the GOP??

I must add here that I'm sick of hearing the GOP battle cry of "Kerry voted against the $87B for the war". The FACT of the matter was that of that $87B, Kerry voted for the $67B that was allocated to support the troops, what he TOOK ISSUE WITH was the other $20B for rebuilding Iraq following the war, because he felt that it was NOT ENOUGH!!! How much more twisting and distorting of the TRUTH must we suffer from the GOP??Then he should have voted for it. If the $20 billion wasn't enough, there would have been another bill come along that would have addressed the need for additional funds. But that just makes too much sense, I guess. All these calls that Bush made "colossal errors in judgement", I say take a look at Kerry's decision in voting against that bill; talk about stupid.

Then he should have voted for it. If the $20 billion wasn't enough, there would have been another bill come along that would have addressed the need for additional funds.

As is typical of politics, we don't have time to make it right the 1st time, but we'll make time to do it over again. Kinda like GW's foreign policy: Keep on killing, we'll eventually get the bad guys.

As is typical of politics, we don't have time to make it right the 1st time, but we'll make time to do it over again. Kinda like GW's foreign policy: Keep on killing, we'll eventually get the bad guys.
As is typical of political maneuvering, why should Kerry have voted for something that was right when he could vote against it to show that he's smarter than everyone else and possibly drag it out to make the Republicans look bad. What an idiot to put politics in front of the welfare of our troops.

2 months after sKerry is in office, the economy will be great. We'll have a net gain in jobs. Oil will be back down to $38.00/barrel. Christopher Reeves will rise from the dead and John Kerry will walk (on water) across the Atlantic to outsource the rebuilding of Iraq to the French , Germans and UN by bribing them with your tax dollars.


Oh, ya, forgot one thing. And we'll have another terrorist attack on our soil.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!